Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'

[Straw Man]

Actually, this was something I was wondering about when I read about it.

Do you ever have conversations with your boys about fucking chicks? I hear these conversations in locker rooms all of the time... I've been involved with them.

Perhaps the homosexuals do not actually like hearing about you banging bitches?

It's a two way street when it comes to being "uncomfortable" listening to conversations right?

it never occured to me either way

I don't spend much time in the locker room.   I usually only go in there after I work out to change my shirt and wash my hands

As long as people put away their weights and wipe their sweat off the benches I really don't care what they do or say

The people who really piss me off are the ones who drop the dumbbells

[boonasty]

i've skipped the last 9 pages, but...

are we all in agreement that dudes from getbig should be able to walk around nude in the ladies shower room?

We can agree on that much, right fellahs?

of course, as long as my wife, sister, daughters, grandmother or favorite aunt isn't in there.    

No one said only straight men can't control themselves- just that women make up the overwhelming majority of sexually based attacks. All men aren't rapists, but most rapists are men. That's putting it glibly, you get the drift. I'm not going to even bother providing  crime stats because they are easy enough to google and, realistically, no one with a working brain should even question that.

side stepping the prevelance of man on man rape in prison

how accurate do you all think man on man rape statistics are in the free world?  

in other words, how many of the men here, if raped by another man, would report it?  let's say you would, how many of your male friends family and aquaintances do you think would?  what percentage?

[Al Doggity]

of course, as long as my wife, sister, daughters, grandmother or favorite aunt isn't in there.    


side stepping the prevelance of man on man rape in prison

how accurate do you all think man on man rape statistics are in the free world?  

in other words, how many of the men here, if raped by another man, would report it?  let's say you would, how many of your male friends family and aquaintances do you think would?  what percentage?

No, I actually addressed this in post #206. I said outside of prison, male-on-male rape is not that common. You make a good point that male-on-male rape statistics are probably not entirely accurate, but one thing to keep in mind is that of the m-on-m sexual assault statistics we are aware of, the majority were perpetrated by men who define themselves as straight. According to tonymctones a gay man is a man who is attracted to other men. If a guy commits a sexual assault on another male but doesn't admit to being gay or attracted to men, should he use a gay bathroom or a straight bathroom?

[LurkerNoMore]

I'm just fascinated by tonymctones' idea of "logic'. The points of his argument, when taken as a whole, completely contradict each other.

This issue and his laughable run around when he is discussing pro-choice and men's inability to walk away from children they father always proceeds for pages and pages of him constantly running in circles and then asking you to tell him what he is suppose to be saying.  He can't make a statement or noncontradicatory viewpoint without throwing in a question at the end trying to make you give him the answer he wants. 

It's amusing to say the least.

[chadstallion]

That's really not the issue.  It's about privacy. 

Well, you can't get more private than you owning your own building and issuing keys to only those you deem desiring.  That's privacy at the max !

[Dos Equis]

What a surprise.     Laying the groundwork for the president to say that his view on traditional marriage has "evolved" to the point where he now openly supports homosexual marriage.  I predict we see this "evolution" before the end of 2011. 

Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
Friday, 24 Dec 2010
     
Vice President Joe Biden says the country is evolving on the issue of gay marriage and he thinks it's inevitable there will be national consensus.

He said on ABC's "Good Morning America" Friday the same thing is happening with the issue of marriage that happened with gays' service in the military.

Changes in attitudes by military leaders, those in the service and the public allowed the repeal by Congress of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that will eventually allow gays to serve openly in the military.

Gay marriage is still not legal in most states. President Barack Obama recently said his feelings on the gay marriage issue are evolving, but he still believes in allowing strong civil unions that provide certain protections and legal rights that married couples have.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/BidenGayMarriage/2010/12/24/id/380958

I think I recall having a dispute with Benny who was adamant that Obama supported traditional marriage.

Feds will no longer defend law banning same-sex marriage
By Pete Yost
Associated Press
POSTED: 08:36 a.m. HST, Feb 23, 2011

WASHINGTON >> In a major policy reversal, the Obama administration said Wednesday it will no longer defend the constitutionality of a federal law banning recognition of same-sex marriage.

Attorney General Eric Holder said President Barack Obama has concluded that the administration cannot defend the federal law that defines marriage as only between a man and a woman. He noted that the congressional debate during passage of the Defense of Marriage Act "contains numerous expressions reflecting moral disapproval of gays and lesbians and their intimate and family relationships — precisely the kind of stereotype-based thinking and animus" the Constitution is designed to guard against.

The Justice Department had defended the act in court until now.

The move quickly drew praise from some Democrats in Congress but a sharp response from the spokesman for Republican John Boehner, the House Speaker.

"While Americans want Washington to focus on creating jobs and cutting spending, the president will have to explain why he thinks now is the appropriate time to stir up a controversial issue that sharply divides the nation," said Boehner's spokesman Michael Steel.

Gay groups, which had long pressured the administration to take a step like this, were pleased. Ron Carey, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, called the policy change "a tremendous step toward recognizing our common humanity and ending an egregious injustice against thousands of loving, committed couples who simply want the protections, rights and responsibilities afforded other married couples. We thank the Obama administration."

Obama's move may position him politically at the forefront of rising public support for gay marriage. Polling results can vary rather significantly depending on what words are used to describe gay marriage, but there is a gradual trend in public opinion toward more acceptance of gay marriage.

An Associated Press-National Constitution Center Poll conducted last August found 52 percent of Americans saying the federal government should give legal recognition to marriages between couples of the same sex, while 46 percent said it should not. In polling by ABC News and the Washington Post, support for the legalization of gay marriage has climbed from 37 percent in 2003 to 47 percent in February 2010.

Holder's statement said, "Much of the legal landscape has changed in the 15 years since Congress passed" the Defense of Marriage Act. He noted that the Supreme Court has ruled that laws criminalizing homosexual conduct are unconstitutional and that Congress has repealed the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

At the White House, spokesman Jay Carney said Obama himself is still "grappling" with his personal view of gay marriage but has always personally opposed the Defense of Marriage Act as "unnecessary and unfair."

Holder wrote to Boehner that Obama has concluded the Defense of Marriage Act fails to meet a rigorous standard under which courts view with suspicion any laws targeting minority groups who have suffered a history of discrimination.

The attorney general said the Justice Department had defended the law in court until now because the government was able to advance reasonable arguments for the law based on a less strict standard.

At a December news conference, in response to a reporters' question, Obama revealed that his position on gay marriage is "constantly evolving." He has opposed such marriages and supported instead civil unions for gay and lesbian couples. The president said such civil unions are his baseline — at this point, as he put it.

"This is something that we're going to continue to debate, and I personally am going to continue to wrestle with going forward," he said.

On Wednesday, Holder said the president has concluded that, given a documented history of discrimination against gays, classifications based on sexual orientation should be subject to a more heightened standard of scrutiny than the department had been applying in legal challenges to the act up to now.

The attorney general said the department will immediately bring the policy change to the attention of two federal courts now hearing separate lawsuits targeting the Defense of Marriage Act.

One case, in Connecticut, challenges the federal government's denial of marriage-related protections for federal Family Medical Leave Act benefits, federal laws for private pension plans and federal laws concerning state pension plans. In the other case in New York City, the federal government refused to recognize the marriage of two women and taxed the inheritance that one of the women left to the other as though the two were strangers. Under federal tax law, a spouse who dies can leave her assets, including the family home, to the other spouse without incurring estate taxes.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/116749799.html

[tonymctones]

^^^^^

I think obama is realizing his chances for relection are starting to look slim especially considering the outlook for the economy and the job market within the next 2 years.

either that or maybe he was honest for once when he said he was ok with being a one term president...

[Soul Crusher]

Yup.  Inflation, disaster economy, failed foreign policy, wtf energy policies, are all going to lead to a gop victory in two years.  Focusing on the fags screams desperate for their money. 

[chadstallion]

Yup.  Inflation, disaster economy, failed foreign policy, wtf energy policies, are all going to lead to a gop victory in two years.  Focusing on the fags screams desperate for their money. 

the check is in the mail

[MCWAY]

Yup.  Inflation, disaster economy, failed foreign policy, wtf energy policies, are all going to lead to a gop victory in two years.  Focusing on the fags screams desperate for their money.  

Rush pretty much said the same thing yesterday. Only, he tied it to Obama's potential LOSS of cash, should these GOP governors crack these public-sector unions.

http://www.therightscoop.com/rush-obama-pandering-with-doma

"How many of you, who are not union, in the state of Wisconsin,  and who are Republican are learning for the first time that YOUR state income taxes (a portion of it) is ending up in ads campaigns and other spending campaigns for Democrat candidates in your state or nationally? Obama and his bunch are figuring out that people are going to start learning this.

They're going to start figuring out the money-laundering aspect of it. They're thinking, 'You know. Maybe, we might lose this collective-bargaining business...' They might lose this source of revenue, or a portion of it. So, where do they make it up?

HELLOOOOOOOO, GAY PEOPLE!!!"

[MCWAY]

It appears that Obama FORGOT that the Supreme Court already weighed in on this issue 40 years ago and declared that laws like DOMA DO NOT violate the Constitution.

See Baker v. Nelson.

The equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, like the due process clause, is not offended by the state's classification of persons authorized to marry. There is no irrational or invidious discrimination. Petitioners note that the state does not impose upon heterosexual married couples a condition that they have a proved capacity or declared willingness to procreate, posing a rhetorical demand that this court must read such condition into the statute if same-sex marriages are to be prohibited. Even assuming that such a condition would be neither unrealistic nor offensive under the Griswold rationale, the classification is no more than theoretically imperfect. We are reminded, however, that "abstract symmetry" is not demanded by the Fourteenth Amendment./4/

Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 87 S.Ct. 1817, 18 L.Ed.2d 1010 (1967), upon which petitioners additionally rely, does not militate against this conclusion. Virginia's antimiscegenation statute, prohibiting interracial marriages, was invalidated solely on the grounds of its patent racial discrimination. As Mr. Chief Justice Warren wrote for the court (388 U.S. 12, 87 S.Ct. 1824, 18 L.Ed.2d 1018):

"Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival. Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U.S. 535, 541, 62 S.Ct. 1110, 86 L.Ed. 1655 (1942). See also Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190, 8 S.Ct. 723, 31 L. Ed. 654 (1888). To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discriminations./5/"

Loving does indicate that not all state restrictions upon the right to marry are beyond reach of the Fourteenth Amendment. But in commonsense and in a constitutional sense, there is a clear distinction between a marital restriction based merely upon race and one based upon the fundamental difference in sex.

We hold, therefore, that Minn.St. c. 517 does not offend the First, Eighth, Ninth, or Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution


http://www.cas.umt.edu/phil/faculty/Walton/bakrvnel.htm

[blacken700]

Rush pretty much said the same thing yesterday. Only, he tied it to Obama's potential LOSS of cash, should these GOP governors crack these public-sector unions.

http://www.therightscoop.com/rush-obama-pandering-with-doma

"How many of you, who are not union, in the state of Wisconsin,  and who are Republican are learning for the first time that YOUR state income taxes (a portion of it) is ending up in ads campaigns and other spending campaigns for Democrat candidates in your state or nationally? Obama and his bunch are figuring out that people are going to start learning this.

They're going to start figuring out the money-laundering aspect of it. They're thinking, 'You know. Maybe, we might lose this collective-bargaining business...' They might lose this source of revenue, or a portion of it. So, where do they make it up?

HELLOOOOOOOO, GAY PEOPLE!!!"

hahahahahah and what did beck say or hannity 

[MCWAY]

hahahahahah and what did beck say or hannity 

Try addressing the issue at hand, for once. Obama is getting whacked on his union backing and embarrassed on his foreign policy responses.

So, how convenient now, does he announce that (despite a USSC ruling to the contrary) that he's ruled DOMA unconstitutional and won't defend it in court?

[blacken700]

the problem is if it came out of the mouth of rush it's probably not true, so no reason to comment 

[MCWAY]

the problem is if it came out of the mouth of rush it's probably not true, so no reason to comment 

PLEASE!! How many times have lefties been in "shock", because of something happening that Rush talked about and saw coming MONTHS prior?

[blacken700]

the prophet  rush  just keep watching him  i'll stick to real news sources and you can watch entertainers. oh and for your information  the wwf or wwe is  entertainment also

[MCWAY]

the prophet  rush  just keep watching him  i'll stick to real news sources and you can watch entertainers. oh and for your information  the wwf or wwe is  entertainment also

Real news sources, like Chris "Thrill up my leg" Matthews? RIGHT!!!! 

[chadstallion]

Real news sources, like Chris "Thrill up my leg" Matthews? RIGHT!!!! 

he has nice legs.

[Soul Crusher]

February 24, 2011
Obama Completes His Trifecta
By Richard N. Weltz



With a bold political announcement, President Barack Obama has completed the trifecta  -- de facto coups which bring into his White House the powers and functions of the other two branches, as outlined in our Constitution.

That document assigns the legislative function to Congress, but the Executive Branch blithely and routinely co-opts that power by run-arounds and choosing to enforce or not enforce duly passed laws of the Legislature. Notable  examples in the scant couple of years The One has been in office include: refusal to enforce voting laws against intimidation at the polls in Chicago, efforts to use the regulatory functions of the FPA to circumvent the specific legislation of Congress to ban cap-and-trade, refusal to enforce immigration laws, and attempts by the FCC to regulate matters banned from its jurisdiction by law.

We need not even mention the undemocratic parliamentary tactics and outright bribery used by Obama and his allies to ram through the unpopular and clearly unconstitutional ObamaCare bill -- without it even having been read by most Congress members.

On the judiciary side, we witness the executive ignoring a Federal Court ruling on ObamaCare's unconstitutionality, the refusal -- to the point where an order of compliance had to be issued from the bench -- to refrain from imposing an illegal moratorium on oil drilling; and, now the clearest and most blatant power grab of all. Obama has arrogated to himself, in the matter of DOMA, the power to declare that law unconstitutional and order his Justice Department not to contest lawsuits challenging it.

In the meantime, while usurping and/or undercutting the legitimate powers and functions of the other two branches, in the three areas for which the Executive does have power and responsibility  -- faithfully executing the laws, conducting foreign policy, and commanding the armed forces -- this megalomaniacal narcissist has proven a spectacular failure.

What have we allowed to happen to the American concept of separation of powers? Are we abandoning this unique and hallowed concept for a tinpot dictatorship dressed up in a fancy suit and fancy oratory? Where and how do we stop this train to ruination?

Page Printed from: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/obama_completes_his_trifecta.html at February 24, 2011 - 03:43:45 PM CST

[Dos Equis]

February 24, 2011
Obama Completes His Trifecta
By Richard N. Weltz



With a bold political announcement, President Barack Obama has completed the trifecta  -- de facto coups which bring into his White House the powers and functions of the other two branches, as outlined in our Constitution.

That document assigns the legislative function to Congress, but the Executive Branch blithely and routinely co-opts that power by run-arounds and choosing to enforce or not enforce duly passed laws of the Legislature. Notable  examples in the scant couple of years The One has been in office include: refusal to enforce voting laws against intimidation at the polls in Chicago, efforts to use the regulatory functions of the FPA to circumvent the specific legislation of Congress to ban cap-and-trade, refusal to enforce immigration laws, and attempts by the FCC to regulate matters banned from its jurisdiction by law.

We need not even mention the undemocratic parliamentary tactics and outright bribery used by Obama and his allies to ram through the unpopular and clearly unconstitutional ObamaCare bill -- without it even having been read by most Congress members.

On the judiciary side, we witness the executive ignoring a Federal Court ruling on ObamaCare's unconstitutionality, the refusal -- to the point where an order of compliance had to be issued from the bench -- to refrain from imposing an illegal moratorium on oil drilling; and, now the clearest and most blatant power grab of all. Obama has arrogated to himself, in the matter of DOMA, the power to declare that law unconstitutional and order his Justice Department not to contest lawsuits challenging it.

In the meantime, while usurping and/or undercutting the legitimate powers and functions of the other two branches, in the three areas for which the Executive does have power and responsibility  -- faithfully executing the laws, conducting foreign policy, and commanding the armed forces -- this megalomaniacal narcissist has proven a spectacular failure.

What have we allowed to happen to the American concept of separation of powers? Are we abandoning this unique and hallowed concept for a tinpot dictatorship dressed up in a fancy suit and fancy oratory? Where and how do we stop this train to ruination?

Page Printed from: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/obama_completes_his_trifecta.html at February 24, 2011 - 03:43:45 PM CST

Nah, it's just that his position supporting traditional marriage "evolved" in the past two years and he is listening to his conscience (and ignoring the public). 

[Soul Crusher]

He's doing the same thing on other issues pertaining to the law.  The man is an out of control power freak.  He wants to be dictator for life, laws, constitution, precedent, and reality be damned.

[andreisdaman]

Yup.  Inflation, disaster economy, failed foreign policy, wtf energy policies, are all going to lead to a gop victory in two years.  Focusing on the fags screams desperate for their money. 

you are crazy if you believe this

[andreisdaman]

the problem is if it came out of the mouth of rush it's probably not true, so no reason to comment 

awesome

[andreisdaman]

the prophet  rush  just keep watching him  i'll stick to real news sources and you can watch entertainers. oh and for your information  the wwf or wwe is  entertainment also

very nice again..keep it up

[MCWAY]

As usual, when you can't refute the point, you attack the source.

Sorry, if I don't get my news and political opinions, from last-placed hacks who get tingles up their legs and go into heat, upon the sight of Barack Obama (even as he's continually being exposed for the clueless weakling that he is).