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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #275 on: February 25, 2011, 01:34:34 PM »
which is the reason that people dont take you or your posts seriously. ;D

Gay suckers who donated a shit load to ZERO in 2008 are getting all lathered up by this admn to be again hit up for money for
re-election.  First its the flaunting of the law on DOMA, now its the cronyism by appointing the twink as secretary, oh how cute is that?

Like gullible dupes and lemmings you will all send him $ $ $ again.   Pathetic.      

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #276 on: February 25, 2011, 01:44:56 PM »
Gingrich: Obama Sparks 'Constitutional Crisis,' Raises Impeachment Specter
NewsMax ^ | 2-25-2011 | By Jim Meyers and Ashley Martella





In an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV Friday, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said President Barack Obama’s decision not to fully enforce the Defense of Marriage law has sparked a constitutional crisis as he has directly violated his constitutional duties by arbitrarily suspending a law.

Gingrich for the first time raised the specter of Obama’s removal from office, noting that, if a “President Sarah Palin” had taken a similar action, there would have been immediate calls for her impeachment.

Obama Attorney General Eric Holder said on Wednesday that the administration will not defend the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act in the courts, which has banned recognition of same-sex marriage for 15 years. President Clinton signed the act into law in 1996.

Obama’s decision to forego a legal defense of the law has caused a firestorm of anger from conservative groups.

Gingrich slammed Obama for his decision, telling Newsmax that he is not a “one-person Supreme Court” and his decision sets a “very dangerous precedent” that must not be allowed to stand.

Read more on Newsmax.com: Gingrich: Obama Sparks 'Constitutional Crisis,' Raises Impeachment Specter Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!


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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #277 on: February 25, 2011, 01:58:36 PM »
You never show photos of anyone who looks like a fool that is a Republican do you? Not that I've seen.

To bring another poster into the fray... Neither does Beach Bum.

I don't recall posting a lot of pictures of people looking like fools.  So in that sense, you are correct. 

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #278 on: February 25, 2011, 01:59:21 PM »
Gingrich: Obama Sparks 'Constitutional Crisis,' Raises Impeachment Specter
NewsMax ^ | 2-25-2011 | By Jim Meyers and Ashley Martella





In an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV Friday, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said President Barack Obama’s decision not to fully enforce the Defense of Marriage law has sparked a constitutional crisis as he has directly violated his constitutional duties by arbitrarily suspending a law.

Gingrich for the first time raised the specter of Obama’s removal from office, noting that, if a “President Sarah Palin” had taken a similar action, there would have been immediate calls for her impeachment.

Obama Attorney General Eric Holder said on Wednesday that the administration will not defend the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act in the courts, which has banned recognition of same-sex marriage for 15 years. President Clinton signed the act into law in 1996.

Obama’s decision to forego a legal defense of the law has caused a firestorm of anger from conservative groups.

Gingrich slammed Obama for his decision, telling Newsmax that he is not a “one-person Supreme Court” and his decision sets a “very dangerous precedent” that must not be allowed to stand.

Read more on Newsmax.com: Gingrich: Obama Sparks 'Constitutional Crisis,' Raises Impeachment Specter Important: Do You Support Pres. Obama's Re-Election? Vote Here Now!


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It is pretty outrageous.  I hope the voters hold him accountable.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #279 on: February 25, 2011, 02:00:16 PM »
Conservatives vow to make gay marriage a 2012 election issue
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POSTED: 08:06 a.m. HST, Feb 25, 2011

NEW YORK >> Angered conservatives are vowing to make same-sex marriage a front-burner election issue, nationally and in the states, following the Obama administration's announcement that it will no longer defend the federal law denying recognition to gay married couples.

"The ripple effect nationwide will be to galvanize supporters of marriage," said staff counsel Jim Campbell of Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative legal group.

On the federal level, opponents of same-sex marriage urged Republican leaders in the House of Representatives to intervene on their own to defend the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, against pending court challenges.

"The president has thrown down the gauntlet, challenging Congress," said Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council. "It is incumbent upon the Republican leadership to respond by intervening to defend DOMA, or they will become complicit in the president's neglect of duty."

Conservatives also said they would now expect the eventual 2012 GOP presidential nominee to highlight the marriage debate as part of a challenge to Obama, putting the issue on equal footing with the economy.

Gay rights activists welcomed Wednesday's announcement from the Justice Department, sensing that it would bolster the prospects for same-sex marriage in the courts. Among Democrats in Congress, there was praise for Obama's decision and talk of proposing legislation to repeal the law altogether.

"I opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. It was the wrong law then; it is the wrong law now," said Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-Calif. "My own belief is that when two people love each other and enter the contract of marriage, the federal government should honor that."

On the state level, there were swift repercussions.

In Rhode Island, the Roman Catholic bishop of Providence, Thomas Tobin, said Thursday that his diocese would "redouble its efforts' to defeat a pending same-sex marriage bill in response to the announcement. In Iowa, conservative activist Bob Vander Plaats said the DOMA decision would invigorate a campaign to repeal the state's court-ordered same-sex marriage law.

"This gives us more credibility than ever with this issue," said Vander Plaats, who wants to topple the Democratic leadership in the state Senate that is blocking efforts to put a same-sex marriage repeal proposal on the ballot.

In Maryland, meanwhile, the state Senate was debating a bill that would make that state the sixth to legalize same-sex marriage — joining Iowa, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont and New Hampshire.

Linsey Pecikonis of the gay-rights group Equality Maryland predicted the DOMA announcement would improve the bill's prospects.

"It's a recognition that government is no longer able to defend discrimination," she said.

In Congress, GOP House leaders gave no immediate indication whether they would intervene to defend DOMA in the ongoing lawsuits, but they harshly criticized Obama's decision.

"This is the real politicization of the Justice Department — when the personal views of the president override the government's duty to defend the law of the land," said House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas. "It's disappointing that the Obama administration continues to place politics above the will of the American people."

In fact, many polls show the public almost evenly divided on legalizing same-sex marriage, one reason the issue is so volatile politically.

Perkins, the Family Research Council leader, suggested that House Republicans would risk alienating their conservative base if they did not tackle the marriage issue head-on.

"The president was kind of tossing this cultural grenade into the Republican camp," he said.

"If they ignore this, it becomes an issue that will lead to some very troubling outcomes for Republicans."

Jon Davidson, legal director of the gay-rights group Lambda Legal, predicted the DOMA announcement would energize opponents of gay marriage, but he questioned whether that would have much impact on the 2012 presidential race.

"I think they will try to turn this into a major election issue," he said. "But the people who feel strongly that same-sex couples should not be allowed to marry were not going to vote for President Obama anyway."

Conversely, he said the gay community will rally behind Obama all the more eagerly.

"It's hard to imagine that with the repeal of 'don't ask, don't tell' (enabling gays to serve openly in the military) and this decision, there will be anything less than enthusiastic support," he said.

Though the DOMA announcement elated gays and infuriated many conservatives, it did not do away with the law, which bars the federal government from recognizing gay marriages and allows states to deny recognition of same-sex unions performed elsewhere. Among its many effects, it forces same-sex married couples to file separate U.S. tax returns, and bars the transfer of Social Security benefits to a surviving same-sex spouse.

In California, where the fate of the state's same-sex marriage ban is in the hands of a federal appeals court, gay rights advocates welcomed the administration's action as validation of their plan to get the U.S. Supreme Court to consider the gay marriage issue. While the California case does not hinge on DOMA, lawyers for two couples suing to overturn Proposition 8 are relying on many of the same constitutional arguments made by the Justice Department.

One of the lawyers, Ted Olson, said the federal government's stance bolsters the positions taken by former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Gov. Jerry Brown in his previous role as attorney general when they decided not to defend Proposition 8. The net effect, he said, "will be very persuasive" as judges weigh the case.

California is among 30 states which have passed constitutional amendments aimed at prohibiting same-sex marriage.

Brian Brown, president of the conservative National Organization for Marriage, predicted that Obama's decision not to defend the federal DOMA would spur efforts in some of the remaining states to join the ranks of those with constitutional bans.

Indiana lawmakers took a step in that direction last week, and Brown said it was possible that amendments could gain traction in Wyoming, Minnesota, North Carolina and even New Hampshire, if GOP lawmakers succeed in repealing the state's same-sex marriage law.

"This raises the stakes and makes clear the executive branch is not willing to carry out its responsibility," Brown said. "I don't think by any stretch of the imagination the tables have turned on this issue. People in this country know what marriage is."

When DOMA was passed in 1996, an election year, it had broad bipartisan support. Over recent years, Obama has criticized the federal law without fully supporting gay marriage. White House spokesman Jay Carney said this week that the president was "grappling" with the issue but had always personally opposed DOMA as "unnecessary and unfair."

The Williams Institute, a think tank at the UCLA School of Law, estimates that about 80,000 legally married same-sex couples live in the U.S., including roughly 30,000 who wed in Canada or other foreign countries. An estimated 85,000 same-sex couples have entered civil unions or domestic partnerships, the institute says.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #280 on: February 26, 2011, 06:24:59 AM »
excellent.
this will be more entertaining that all that financial mumbo-gumbo.
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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #281 on: February 26, 2011, 01:29:58 PM »
DOMA Decision Reveals: Obama Admin. Misled Congress on Military Benefits for Same-Sex Couples
Center for Military Readiness (PDF link) ^ | 2-24-2011 | Press Release - (PDF link)



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For Immediate Release February 24, 2011
Contact: Elaine Donnelly, CMR President - (734) 464-9430
Contact: Tommy Sears, Executive Director - (202) 347-5333

DOMA Decision Reveals: Obama Administration Misled Congress on Military Housing and Benefits for Same-Sex Couples

In response to the announcement that the Department of Justice will no longer defend the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act in federal courts, Elaine Donnelly, President of the Center for Military Readiness, issued the following statement:

“The statement issued by the Department of Justice yesterday was partially based on the reckless action of last-year’s lame-duck Congress to repeal the 1993 law stating that homosexuals are ineligible to serve in the military, which is usually called ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’.

“This action belies the Defense Department’s “Comprehensive Review Working Group” report on the subject released on November 30, 2010, and assurances made by the Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel & Readiness, Clifford L. Stanley in two implementation plan documents released on January 28, 2011. The CRWG report and official testimony from the Secretary of Defense disingenuously assured Congress and the military service chiefs that the existence of the DOMA would bar the military from providing housing and benefits for same-sex couples living together as married or ‘committed partners’ on military bases.

“Yesterday’s action also belies a new training document currently being circulated by Army officials, called the “Top Ten Things You Need to Know About the Repeal of DADT,” which should be withdrawn immediately. Point #5 on the Army’s “Top Ten” list reads, “The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) prohibits the Federal Government from recognizing any same-sex marriage, so same sex partners do not qualify as dependents for many benefits and services.”

“Point #6 further claims that “sexual orientation will not be placed alongside race, color, religion, sex, and national origin as a class under the Military Equal Opportunity (MEO) Program.” Neither statement is credible, since the Justice Department has just filed a document declaring the opposite: “…[C]lassifications based on sexual orientation should be subject to a more heightened standard of scrutiny.”

“The Justice Department’s claim that it will continue enforcement of DOMA is meaningless, since the department has said that it will not defend the law at any level. This posture invites activist lower-court judges to exceed their authority in declaring the congressionally approved law unconstitutional, following the same logic as the Obama Administration. Since the Solicitor General will not petition for Supreme Court review of such rulings, the administration has unilaterally extended to sexual orientation groups the same 14th Amendment rights as other “protected” classes.

“President Obama is telling supporters of traditional marriage that their opinions, grounded in a millennium of religious teaching, historical practice, and cultural traditions, are unreasonable and not worthy of consideration, much less a defense from those who wish to impose their own radical view of marriage on the rest of the country.

“The administration is also admitting, belatedly, that imposition of LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) law in the military cannot be reconciled with the Defense of Marriage Act. Members of Congress who were led to believe otherwise should call for immediate hearings to reconsider the rash action taken during the lame-duck session of the 111th Congress last December.

“The duplicity exposed yesterday also calls into question the administration’s plans to “certify” that final repeal of the 1993 law, Section 654, Title 10, U.S.C., would not undermine recruiting, retention and readiness in the All-Volunteer Force. Such a document would be equally meaningless and useful only to President Obama, who is determined to make the military pay the price for his political campaign promises to the LGBT Left.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #282 on: February 26, 2011, 02:13:40 PM »
DOMA Decision Reveals: Obama Admin. Misled Congress on Military Benefits for Same-Sex Couples
Center for Military Readiness (PDF link) ^ | 2-24-2011 | Press Release - (PDF link)



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For Immediate Release February 24, 2011
Contact: Elaine Donnelly, CMR President - (734) 464-9430
Contact: Tommy Sears, Executive Director - (202) 347-5333

DOMA Decision Reveals: Obama Administration Misled Congress on Military Housing and Benefits for Same-Sex Couples

In response to the announcement that the Department of Justice will no longer defend the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act in federal courts, Elaine Donnelly, President of the Center for Military Readiness, issued the following statement:

“The statement issued by the Department of Justice yesterday was partially based on the reckless action of last-year’s lame-duck Congress to repeal the 1993 law stating that homosexuals are ineligible to serve in the military, which is usually called ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’.

“This action belies the Defense Department’s “Comprehensive Review Working Group” report on the subject released on November 30, 2010, and assurances made by the Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel & Readiness, Clifford L. Stanley in two implementation plan documents released on January 28, 2011. The CRWG report and official testimony from the Secretary of Defense disingenuously assured Congress and the military service chiefs that the existence of the DOMA would bar the military from providing housing and benefits for same-sex couples living together as married or ‘committed partners’ on military bases.

“Yesterday’s action also belies a new training document currently being circulated by Army officials, called the “Top Ten Things You Need to Know About the Repeal of DADT,” which should be withdrawn immediately. Point #5 on the Army’s “Top Ten” list reads, “The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) prohibits the Federal Government from recognizing any same-sex marriage, so same sex partners do not qualify as dependents for many benefits and services.”

“Point #6 further claims that “sexual orientation will not be placed alongside race, color, religion, sex, and national origin as a class under the Military Equal Opportunity (MEO) Program.” Neither statement is credible, since the Justice Department has just filed a document declaring the opposite: “…[C]lassifications based on sexual orientation should be subject to a more heightened standard of scrutiny.”

“The Justice Department’s claim that it will continue enforcement of DOMA is meaningless, since the department has said that it will not defend the law at any level. This posture invites activist lower-court judges to exceed their authority in declaring the congressionally approved law unconstitutional, following the same logic as the Obama Administration. Since the Solicitor General will not petition for Supreme Court review of such rulings, the administration has unilaterally extended to sexual orientation groups the same 14th Amendment rights as other “protected” classes.

“President Obama is telling supporters of traditional marriage that their opinions, grounded in a millennium of religious teaching, historical practice, and cultural traditions, are unreasonable and not worthy of consideration, much less a defense from those who wish to impose their own radical view of marriage on the rest of the country.

“The administration is also admitting, belatedly, that imposition of LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) law in the military cannot be reconciled with the Defense of Marriage Act. Members of Congress who were led to believe otherwise should call for immediate hearings to reconsider the rash action taken during the lame-duck session of the 111th Congress last December.

“The duplicity exposed yesterday also calls into question the administration’s plans to “certify” that final repeal of the 1993 law, Section 654, Title 10, U.S.C., would not undermine recruiting, retention and readiness in the All-Volunteer Force. Such a document would be equally meaningless and useful only to President Obama, who is determined to make the military pay the price for his political campaign promises to the LGBT Left.

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Wow.  So the administration not only refuses to enforce existing bipartisan federal law, it lied to the military.  I'm just amazed at what a free pass they get from the media.    

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #283 on: February 26, 2011, 03:48:51 PM »
DOMA Decision Reveals: Obama Admin. Misled Congress on Military Benefits for Same-Sex Couples
Center for Military Readiness (PDF link) ^ | 2-24-2011 | Press Release - (PDF link)



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For Immediate Release February 24, 2011
Contact: Elaine Donnelly, CMR President - (734) 464-9430
Contact: Tommy Sears, Executive Director - (202) 347-5333

DOMA Decision Reveals: Obama Administration Misled Congress on Military Housing and Benefits for Same-Sex Couples

In response to the announcement that the Department of Justice will no longer defend the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act in federal courts, Elaine Donnelly, President of the Center for Military Readiness, issued the following statement:

“The statement issued by the Department of Justice yesterday was partially based on the reckless action of last-year’s lame-duck Congress to repeal the 1993 law stating that homosexuals are ineligible to serve in the military, which is usually called ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’.

“This action belies the Defense Department’s “Comprehensive Review Working Group” report on the subject released on November 30, 2010, and assurances made by the Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel & Readiness, Clifford L. Stanley in two implementation plan documents released on January 28, 2011. The CRWG report and official testimony from the Secretary of Defense disingenuously assured Congress and the military service chiefs that the existence of the DOMA would bar the military from providing housing and benefits for same-sex couples living together as married or ‘committed partners’ on military bases.

“Yesterday’s action also belies a new training document currently being circulated by Army officials, called the “Top Ten Things You Need to Know About the Repeal of DADT,” which should be withdrawn immediately. Point #5 on the Army’s “Top Ten” list reads, “The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) prohibits the Federal Government from recognizing any same-sex marriage, so same sex partners do not qualify as dependents for many benefits and services.”

“Point #6 further claims that “sexual orientation will not be placed alongside race, color, religion, sex, and national origin as a class under the Military Equal Opportunity (MEO) Program.” Neither statement is credible, since the Justice Department has just filed a document declaring the opposite: “…[C]lassifications based on sexual orientation should be subject to a more heightened standard of scrutiny.”

“The Justice Department’s claim that it will continue enforcement of DOMA is meaningless, since the department has said that it will not defend the law at any level. This posture invites activist lower-court judges to exceed their authority in declaring the congressionally approved law unconstitutional, following the same logic as the Obama Administration. Since the Solicitor General will not petition for Supreme Court review of such rulings, the administration has unilaterally extended to sexual orientation groups the same 14th Amendment rights as other “protected” classes.

“President Obama is telling supporters of traditional marriage that their opinions, grounded in a millennium of religious teaching, historical practice, and cultural traditions, are unreasonable and not worthy of consideration, much less a defense from those who wish to impose their own radical view of marriage on the rest of the country.

“The administration is also admitting, belatedly, that imposition of LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) law in the military cannot be reconciled with the Defense of Marriage Act. Members of Congress who were led to believe otherwise should call for immediate hearings to reconsider the rash action taken during the lame-duck session of the 111th Congress last December.

“The duplicity exposed yesterday also calls into question the administration’s plans to “certify” that final repeal of the 1993 law, Section 654, Title 10, U.S.C., would not undermine recruiting, retention and readiness in the All-Volunteer Force. Such a document would be equally meaningless and useful only to President Obama, who is determined to make the military pay the price for his political campaign promises to the LGBT Left.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #284 on: February 28, 2011, 05:34:31 AM »
Wow.  So the administration not only refuses to enforce existing bipartisan federal law, it lied to the military.  I'm just amazed at what a free pass they get from the media.    

Watching "Huckabee" this weekend brought up a point that the media (at-large) may be ignoring: The Latino and Black voters, who are Christians.

Two pastors, who represent a huge voting block that supported Obama have stated that many of their voters (especially the Latinos ones) are NOT pleased with Obama at all for pandering to the gay vote, by refusing to defend DOMA.

They stated that his stance on marriage was among the reasons they supported him. This flip-flop isn't sitting well with them. Now, I don't expect those demographics to completely flip to the GOP. But, as we saw in 2004, if enough of them ditch Obama (partially due to this issue, along with his economic bungling), Obama could be in BIG TROUBLE in 2012.

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« Reply #285 on: February 28, 2011, 05:37:44 AM »
Watching "Huckabee" this weekend brought up a point that the media (at-large) may be ignoring: The Latino and Black voters, who are Christians.

Two pastors, who represent a huge voting block that supported Obama have stated that many of their voters (especially the Latinos ones) are NOT pleased with Obama at all for pandering to the gay vote, by refusing to defend DOMA.

They stated that his stance on marriage was among the reasons they supported him. This flip-flop isn't sitting well with them. Now, I don't expect those demographics to completely flip to the GOP. But, as we saw in 2004, if enough of them ditch Obama (partially due to this issue, along with his economic bungling), Obama could be in BIG TROUBLE in 2012.


Its all about $$$$$

Gays are useful idiots for the DNC and send boat loads of cash to the Dems.   

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #286 on: February 28, 2011, 05:51:43 AM »
Its all about $$$$$

Gays are useful idiots for the DNC and send boat loads of cash to the Dems.   

If the 2012 GOP challenger gets the bulk of independents and working-class whites, a significant chunk of Latinos (30-40%), and gets the evangelical vote fired up, Obama and the Dems are going to get SLAUGHTERED in 2012, no matter how much money he gets from the gays.


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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #287 on: February 28, 2011, 06:11:20 AM »
W/O the idiot white mushy middle, Obama's coalition is that of the fringes of society.   Gays, govt workers, eco-nazis, guilt ridden whites, doped up college kids, trial lawyers, college profs, etc.   

The way things are going - even Palin will be able to destroy him.

At 10% UE, Gas at $5.00, turmoil everywhere, even Sarah will be able to send Soetoro packing nd back to Kenya or wherever the hell he came from.       

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« Reply #288 on: February 28, 2011, 06:19:32 AM »
W/O the idiot white mushy middle, Obama's coalition is that of the fringes of society.   Gays, govt workers, eco-nazis, guilt ridden whites, doped up college kids, trial lawyers, college profs, etc.   

The way things are going - even Palin will be able to destroy him.

At 10% UE, Gas at $5.00, turmoil everywhere, even Sarah will be able to send Soetoro packing nd back to Kenya or wherever the hell he came from.       

As long as the GOP gets a legitimate conservative, they're in business. Hit Obama on the fiscal issues first; then tack on the social issues, especially the marriage thing, on two fronts: One, the American people's view on marriage; two, the principle of a president's job to be a PRESIDENT, not the self-appointed Supreme Court.

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« Reply #289 on: February 28, 2011, 06:27:20 AM »
As long as the GOP gets a legitimate conservative, they're in business. Hit Obama on the fiscal issues first; then tack on the social issues, especially the marriage thing, on two fronts: One, the American people's view on marriage; two, the principle of a president's job to be a PRESIDENT, not the self-appointed Supreme Court.

The way we are going,between energy prices, UE, inflation, WTF foreign policy, WTF DOJ poliies, WTF appointments, WTF corruption, etc, even Barney the Purple Dino can beat Obama. 

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« Reply #290 on: February 28, 2011, 06:57:05 AM »
The way we are going,between energy prices, UE, inflation, WTF foreign policy, WTF DOJ poliies, WTF appointments, WTF corruption, etc, even Barney the Purple Dino can beat Obama. 

Maybe. But, he doesn't have Sarah's legs.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #291 on: February 28, 2011, 07:11:15 AM »
Maybe. But, he doesn't have Sarah's legs.

 ;D

This DOMA thing is very alarming to me, not because of gay marriage, but because of the horrible precedent it sets.   

Just another example of how awful this admn is.   

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #292 on: February 28, 2011, 07:16:21 AM »
This DOMA thing is very alarming to me, not because of gay marriage, but because of the horrible precedent it sets.   

Just another example of how awful this admn is.   

Agreed!!

And, since the Supreme Court already ruled that laws like DOMA don't violate the constitution, it doesn't matter what Obama thinks on this issue. So, this move of his is nothing but pandering to the homosexual contingent. But, as stated earlier, this could cost him a siginificant number of Latino voters and even more white voters. If he loses too many of them, he's toast in 2012.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #293 on: February 28, 2011, 02:05:12 PM »
Obama:   "We cant ignore the law when it is inconvienent"

   

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« Reply #294 on: February 28, 2011, 06:16:50 PM »
House Republican Leaders Vow to Defend Defense of Marriage Act
By: CNN Senior Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash

Washington (CNN) - House Republican leaders say they will decide by the end of the week how to proceed in defending the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, which bars federal recognition of same-sex marriage.
Both House Speaker John Boehner and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor expressed disappointment that the Obama administration decided to stop defending the law in court and said House Republicans are weighing their options.

"I'd be very surprised if the House didn't decide that they were going to defend law," Boehner told the Christian Broadcast Network.

"If the president won't lead, if the president won't defend DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act), then you'll see the House of Representatives defend our actions in passing a bill that frankly passed overwhelmingly," he said.

Attorney General Eric Holder announced in a letter to members of Congress last week that the administration was reversing course and directing the Justice Department to no longer defend the law as they had during the president's first two years in office. Holder said they now believe a key part of the law, signed by then-President Bill Clinton, is unconstitutional.

Cantor told reporters that the president's position is that "he is not defending the law of the land is something very troubling I think to most members of the House."

There are two cases relating to the Defense of Marriage Act pending in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. There is a March 11 deadline for Congress to notify the court if it intends to act in the cases.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #295 on: March 01, 2011, 05:14:41 AM »
Optional: a president who upholds the law

Obama and attorney general in deciding not to defend marriage law may set a precedent to undo their own legislative priorities | Emily Belz


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The Obama administration will no longer defend in court the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), which defines marriage as between a man and a woman and bars federal benefits to same-sex couples, because President Obama no longer finds the act constitutional. That unusual decision gives future administrations justification to refuse to defend laws that they personally find unconstitutional.

Obama has long opposed DOMA, calling it "abhorrent" and "discriminatory," but under his administration the Justice Department has defended it as established law. The president previously said, with regard to DOMA, "We have a duty to uphold existing law." On Jan. 18, when a reporter asked whether the administration would quit defending DOMA in court, then-White House spokesman Robert Gibbs responded, "We can't declare the law unconstitutional." But Attorney General Eric Holder declared just that on behalf of the president in a letter to congressional leaders Feb. 23.

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The long-term implications of Obama's decision could come back to harm some of the president's own priorities that are now law. Daniel Dreisbach, a constitutional law expert at American University, explained that courts will likely be debating the constitutionality of healthcare reform for years, and a future Republican president could decide that the law isn't constitutional and instruct the Justice Department not to defend it in court. Because so many laws have been passed recently on party-line votes, statutes could be even more vulnerable based to which party controls the White House, he said.

"The Department of Justice defends a statute today and tomorrow a new president is elected and the defense is withdrawn," Dreisbach said. "It opens the door for future presidents to make these decisions with a higher level of comfort."

The president has freedom to interpret the Constitution, which flows from his oath of office to "protect and defend the Constitution," said Dreisbach. But he said regardless of interpretation, the president is expected to defend the law of the land. "What is rather unusual is for the executive branch not to defend a statute passed by Congress and signed by the president." Congress passed DOMA in 1996 and President Clinton signed it.

"When Congress enacts laws on behalf of the American people, the American people have the right to expect them to be defended when they're challenged," said Senior Legal Counsel Austin Nimocks of the Alliance Defense Fund. "How the attorney general's constitutional duty to protect and defend the laws of the United States becomes optional is a great mystery."

Holder, in his letter, said he and Obama believe Section 3 of the DOMA law, which defines marriage as between a man and a woman, violates the equal protection clause under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

"The question now becomes: Is there anyone left who can defend the constitutionality of this statute in court?" Dreisbach asked. A court would have to decide whether members of Congress, for example, have standing to defend the statute.

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« Reply #296 on: March 01, 2011, 03:41:40 PM »
Palin: Obama's position on Defense of Marriage act 'appalling'
By: CNN Associate Producer Rebecca Stewart

(CNN) – Sarah Palin is "appalled" by the Obama administration's recent action regarding the Defense of Marriage Act. In a statement provided to the blog run by the National Organization for Marriage, the former governor explained her reaction to the administration's stance on DOMA.

In response to a question posed by Maggie Gallagher, the chairman of the National Organization for Marriage, the former governor of Alaska said, "I have always believed that marriage is between one man and one woman. Like the majority of Americans, I support the Defense of Marriage Act and find it appalling that the Obama administration decided not to defend this federal law which was enacted with broad bipartisan support and signed into law by a Democrat president."

Joining a procession of Republicans denouncing the administration's move, Palin continued, "It's appalling, but not surprising that the President has flip-flopped on yet another issue from his stated position as a candidate to a seemingly opposite position once he was elected." The statement was posted on a blog for the organization, which supports "marriage and the faith communities that sustain it."

President Obama recently asked Attorney General Eric Holder to cease defending the Defense of Marriage Act in court. The bill faces two lawsuits in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit that are based on the grounds that it is unconstitutional. And though candidate Obama once stated that he "believed marriage is between a man and a woman" while campaigning for the presidency, he has also admitted that his position was evolving on the issue shortly before the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, a measure that prevented gay service members from openly serving in the U.S. military.

Holder announced in a letter to members of Congress that the administration was reversing course and would stop defending DOMA because they believe that a key part of the law is unconstitutional.

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« Reply #297 on: March 02, 2011, 02:38:08 PM »
Palin: Obama's position on Defense of Marriage act 'appalling'
By: CNN Associate Producer Rebecca Stewart

(CNN) – Sarah Palin is "appalled" by the Obama administration's recent action regarding the Defense of Marriage Act. In a statement provided to the blog run by the National Organization for Marriage, the former governor explained her reaction to the administration's stance on DOMA.

In response to a question posed by Maggie Gallagher, the chairman of the National Organization for Marriage, the former governor of Alaska said, "I have always believed that marriage is between one man and one woman. Like the majority of Americans, I support the Defense of Marriage Act and find it appalling that the Obama administration decided not to defend this federal law which was enacted with broad bipartisan support and signed into law by a Democrat president."

Joining a procession of Republicans denouncing the administration's move, Palin continued, "It's appalling, but not surprising that the President has flip-flopped on yet another issue from his stated position as a candidate to a seemingly opposite position once he was elected." The statement was posted on a blog for the organization, which supports "marriage and the faith communities that sustain it."

President Obama recently asked Attorney General Eric Holder to cease defending the Defense of Marriage Act in court. The bill faces two lawsuits in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit that are based on the grounds that it is unconstitutional. And though candidate Obama once stated that he "believed marriage is between a man and a woman" while campaigning for the presidency, he has also admitted that his position was evolving on the issue shortly before the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, a measure that prevented gay service members from openly serving in the U.S. military.

Holder announced in a letter to members of Congress that the administration was reversing course and would stop defending DOMA because they believe that a key part of the law is unconstitutional.

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you had me at "Sarah Palin appalled....."    that alone makes it wonderful !
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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #298 on: March 02, 2011, 02:42:29 PM »
Sarah is 100000% correct here, yet you twinks are too self centered and concerned only with your own narrow self interest to see it.   

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #299 on: March 02, 2011, 07:20:13 PM »
1st call for impeachment by member of Congress
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A Republican congressman has told a left-leaning blog that if there is collective support, he would favor the impeachment of Barack Obama over his decision to stop defending the federal Defense of Marriage Act.

Scott Keyes of ThinkProgress.org asked U.S. Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz.: "I know Newt Gingrich has came out (sic) and said if they don't reverse course here, we ought to be talking about possibly impeaching either Attorney General [Eric] Holder or even President Obama to try to get them to reverse course. Do you think that is something you would support?" Keyes asked.

Read all about the grounds for impeachment.

Franks replied: "If it could gain the collective support, absolutely. I called for Eric Holder to repudiate the policy to try terrorists within our civil courts, or resign. So it just seems like that they have an uncanny ability to get it wrong on almost all fronts."


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