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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #300 on: March 02, 2011, 07:50:37 PM »
Sarah is 100000% correct here, yet you twinks are too self centered and concerned only with your own narrow self interest to see it.   
this about sums up the gay rights movement in america...yelling about equal rights but really wanting special rights...

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #301 on: March 03, 2011, 05:58:41 AM »
Sarah is 100000% correct here, yet you twinks are too self centered and concerned only with your own narrow self interest to see it.   
1. thank you for referring to me as a twink; at my age that never happens..
2. self centered and narrow interests; has Woody Allen said once, "deep down I'm a shallow person"....as long as my oil related investments continue to grow I'm a happy queen !
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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #302 on: March 05, 2011, 07:31:07 AM »
Boehner makes move to defend Defense of Marriage Act
By: CNN Congressional Producer Deirdre Walsh

Washington (CNN) - House Speaker John Boehner announced Friday that he's taking action to have Congress defend the federal law barring recognition of same sex marriage, after the Obama Administration announced last month it no longer will.

"The constitutionality of this law should be determined by the courts - not by the president unilaterally - and this action by the House will ensure the matter is addressed in a manner consistent with our Constitution," Boehner said in a written statement released on Friday.

Boehner said he's taking the procedural step of asking the "Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group" to direct the House's General Counsel to officially go to court to defend Defense of Marriage Act, which Congress passed in 1996. The bill was signed into law by President Bill Clinton. In addition to banning federal recognition of same-sex marriages it says states cannot be forced to recognize such marriages from other states.

By going through the advisory group, Boehner avoids holding a full House vote to direct the House's General Counsel to defend the law.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi immediately denounced the move, calling the law "discriminatory."

Pelosi said getting Congress involved takes its focus off jobs and the economy and wastes resources. "This decision will burden the staff and monetary resources of the Office of the General Counsel, and given the complexity of these cases and the number of courts involved, it is likely this will cost the House hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars."

The advisory group that Boehner will convene soon is made up of the top five House leaders from both parties - Boehner, Majority Leader Eric Cantor, GOP Whip Kevin McCarthy, Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, and Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer. Action by the group requires a majority of its Members' approval to move forward, so even though Democrats disagree with Boehner's decision to intervene in the case they don't have the ability to block the action.

In February President Barack Obama ordered the Justice Department to stop defending the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act, according to a statement Wednesday from Attorney General Eric Holder.
"The president has concluded that given a number of factors, including a documented history of discrimination, classifications based on sexual orientation should be subject to a more heightened standard of scrutiny," Holder said.

The key provision in the law "fails to meet that standard and is therefore unconstitutional."

"Given that conclusion, the president has instructed the (Justice Department) not to defend the statute" in two pending cases in New York, Holder said. "I fully concur with the president's determination."
Obama has previously expressed his personal opposition to the Defense of Marriage Act but had never stated an opinion relating to its constitutionality.

Republicans opposed the White House's decision last month, calling it a distraction at a time when they said the focus needs to be on the economy. But the GOP also charged that the Administration had a duty to uphold the law even if it disagreed with it.

While Speaker Boehner said he wants Congress to step in to defend the law, he again noted Friday that he thinks Congress' should be dealing mainly with economic issues. "It is regrettable that the Obama Administration has opened this divisive issue at a time when Americans want their leaders to focus on jobs and the challenges facing our economy," Boehner said.

The administration had a March 11 deadline to respond to two lawsuits against the measure in New York. The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals - which includes New York - is the only federal circuit to have never decided the basic legal question of whether a law discriminates against gay men and lesbians. The same deadline would apply to Congress to notify the court about its intention to defend the law.
In July, a federal judge in Massachusetts became the first to rule the law unconstitutional. U.S. District Judge Joseph Tauro said that "irrational prejudice plainly never constitutes a legitimate government interest."

Courts in California are considering a legal challenge to Proposition 8, an initiative narrowly approved by that state's voters in 2008. It defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

Same-sex marriage is legal in five states - Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont, Iowa and New Hampshire - and in the District of Columbia. Civil unions are permitted in New Jersey.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/04/boehner-makes-move-to-defend-defense-of-marriage-act/#more-149161

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #303 on: April 19, 2011, 10:39:02 AM »
Boehner hires top lawyer for fight over marriage law, sources say
By Bill Mears, CNN
April 19, 2011

Washington (CNN) -- House Republicans have hired a prominent conservative attorney to defend the federal Defense of Marriage Act in a pending lawsuit, legal sources say, and will make an effort to divert money from the Justice Department to fund its high-profile fight.

House Speaker John Boehner disclosed the legal and political strategy in a letter Monday to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi. The Obama administration, which normally would defend federal laws in judicial disputes, announced last month it believed the Defense of Marriage Act, often referred to as DOMA, to be unconstitutional. The law defines marriage for federal purposes as unions only between a man and woman.

Boehner said that with the Justice Department not participating, he had "no choice" but to act unilaterally.

"The burden of defending DOMA, and the resulting costs associated with any litigation that would have otherwise been born (sic) by DOJ (The Department of Justice), has fallen to the House," Boehner said. "Obviously, DOJ's decision results in DOJ no longer needing the funds it would have otherwise expended defending the constitutionality of DOMA. It is my intent that those funds be diverted to the House for reimbursement of any costs incurred by and associated with the House, and not DOJ, defending DOMA."

Such a move would require Senate approval, an unlikely prospect since Democrats control that chamber.

Boehner will probably end up finding money for the legal fight from other discretionary and non-discretionary spending sources, according to legal experts. There was no indication just how much the legal fight could eventually cost.

In response to Boehner's letter, Pelosi, D-California, asked the speaker how much the legal defense of DOMA would cost taxpayers.

"I am requesting that you disclose the cost of hiring outside counsel for the 12 cases where DOMA is being challenged," Pelosi's letter said. She also asked for details on the reported hiring of Paul D. Clement, a former solicitor general, specifically when a contract was signed and why a copy was not provided to Democrats on the Committee on House Administration.

Legal sources say the House Republican leadership hired Clement, a Washington appellate attorney, to defend the law. He filed a brief Monday in a pending case from New York, where a lesbian received an estate tax bill of more than $360,000 after her longtime partner and legal wife had died.

Clement is a former solicitor general under President George W. Bush, serving from 2005 to 2008. It was his job to defend federal laws and executive actions in court, similar to what he will be doing now as a private lawyer on retainer. He was mentioned at one time as a possible Supreme Court nominee.

Separately, he also is representing more than two dozens states in their lawsuit against the administration over the sweeping health care reform law passed by Congress last year. That case is pending in a federal appeals court in Atlanta.

In the Defense of Marriage Act dispute, groups on both sides of the issue noted the highly charged political aspects.

"Not only are House Republican leaders defending the indefensible, they've brought in a high-priced attorney to deny federal recognition to loving, married couples," said Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign. "Speaker Boehner appears ready to go to great lengths, and the great expense of a high-power law firm, to try to score some cheap political points on the backs of same-sex couples."

But conservative groups applauded the move.

"At last we have a legal eagle on this case who actually wants to win in court," said Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage. "Thanks to Speaker Boehner's actions, President Obama's attempt to sabotage the legal defense of DOMA is not going to work."

President Barack Obama on February 23 ordered the Justice Department to stop defending the constitutionality of the law.

"The president has concluded that given a number of factors, including a documented history of discrimination, classifications based on sexual orientation should be subject to a more heightened standard of scrutiny," said Attorney General Eric Holder. The key provision in the law "fails to meet that standard and is therefore unconstitutional."

Obama had previously expressed his personal opposition to the Defense of Marriage Act but had never stated an opinion relating to its constitutionality.

Holder's chief spokesman said the department had no comment on Boehner's moves.

Two pending lawsuits from New York and Connecticut challenge the law. The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which includes both states, is the only federal circuit to have never decided the basic legal question of whether a law discriminates against gay men and lesbians.

The Defense of Marriage Act was passed in 1996 by the GOP-controlled Congress and signed into law by President Bill Clinton. It bars federal recognition of same-sex marriages and says states cannot be forced to recognize such marriages allowed in other states.

The New York legal fight was prompted by Edith "Edie" Windsor, who lived with her female partner, Thea Spyer, for more than four decades. They married out-of-state in 2007, but neither the federal government nor their home state of New York recognized the legal union. Spyer died and left her estate to Windsor, who was then forced to pay taxes on the money because she was not considered a legal spouse.

In July, a federal judge in Massachusetts, in a separate case, became the first to rule part of the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional. District Judge Joseph Tauro said that "irrational prejudice plainly never constitutes a legitimate government interest."

The administration's decision comes on the heels of other major developments in the struggle over gay and lesbian rights.

In December, Obama signed legislation that will repeal the controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy and bring an end to the ban on openly gay men and women serving in the armed forces.

Courts in California are considering a legal challenge to Proposition 8, an initiative narrowly approved by that state's voters in 2008. It defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

Either one of those cases could reach the Supreme Court in coming months, perhaps in time to become a major issue during the 2012 election year.

Same-sex marriage is legal in five states -- Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Vermont -- and in the District of Columbia. Civil unions virtually equivalent to marriage are permitted in New Jersey, while several other states offer more limited civil unions or partnerships.

The New York case is Windsor v. U.S. (1:10-cv-08435).

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/18/house.defense.of.marriage/

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #304 on: June 20, 2011, 11:01:03 AM »
What a surprise.   ::)  Laying the groundwork for the president to say that his view on traditional marriage has "evolved" to the point where he now openly supports homosexual marriage.  I predict we see this "evolution" before the end of 2011. 

Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
Friday, 24 Dec 2010
     
Vice President Joe Biden says the country is evolving on the issue of gay marriage and he thinks it's inevitable there will be national consensus.

He said on ABC's "Good Morning America" Friday the same thing is happening with the issue of marriage that happened with gays' service in the military.

Changes in attitudes by military leaders, those in the service and the public allowed the repeal by Congress of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy that will eventually allow gays to serve openly in the military.

Gay marriage is still not legal in most states. President Barack Obama recently said his feelings on the gay marriage issue are evolving, but he still believes in allowing strong civil unions that provide certain protections and legal rights that married couples have.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/BidenGayMarriage/2010/12/24/id/380958

Well I didn't see this one coming.   ::)

Obama Mulling Endorsement of Same-Sex Marriage
Sunday, 19 Jun 2011

As he gears up for his re-election battle, President Barack Obama is considering the idea of endorsing same-sex marriage, The New York Times reports.

A Democratic strategist told the Times that high-ranking White House officials “are looking at the tactics of how this might be done if the president chose to do it.”

Another intriguing clue comes from Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who is openly gay. He said he was asked by an Obama official, “What would be the effect if he came out for same-sex marriage?”

Obama is the prime attraction at a Gala with the Gay Community fundraiser in New York City this coming week. He also will hold a gay pride at the White House on June 29, the Times reports.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/BarackObama-Same-SexMarriage/2011/06/19/id/400560

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #305 on: June 20, 2011, 11:04:13 AM »
  This is sad. I'm worried about what's on the horizon for our country when we keep thumbing our nose at the Creator like this.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #306 on: June 20, 2011, 11:05:32 AM »
Obama has the twinks all pissed off and threatening to withhold $ $ $ .  that is what this is about, nothig else.  

Gay morons, like always, will be fooled and duped into emptying their walets for fauxbama again.  

Fucking twinks - probably the most idiotic voting bloc of the entire electorate.    

All obama has to do is wink at them once and they will unload all their cash on him like last time.      

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #307 on: June 20, 2011, 12:05:40 PM »
Well I didn't see this one coming.   ::)

Obama Mulling Endorsement of Same-Sex Marriage
Sunday, 19 Jun 2011

As he gears up for his re-election battle, President Barack Obama is considering the idea of endorsing same-sex marriage, The New York Times reports.

A Democratic strategist told the Times that high-ranking White House officials “are looking at the tactics of how this might be done if the president chose to do it.”

Another intriguing clue comes from Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who is openly gay. He said he was asked by an Obama official, “What would be the effect if he came out for same-sex marriage?”

Obama is the prime attraction at a Gala with the Gay Community fundraiser in New York City this coming week. He also will hold a gay pride at the White House on June 29, the Times reports.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/BarackObama-Same-SexMarriage/2011/06/19/id/400560


Obama knows he could lose some Latinos and even a handful of black votes, if that happens.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #308 on: June 20, 2011, 12:07:32 PM »
Obama knows he could lose some Latinos and even a handful of black votes, if that happens.

He definitely has his finger in the wind.

He ought to just be honest, because I don't think he ever supported traditional marriage anyway. 

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #309 on: June 20, 2011, 12:09:46 PM »
He definitely has his finger in the wind.

He ought to just be honest, because I don't think he ever supported traditional marriage anyway. 

Did you see my thread about the 1996 marriage card issue?

Fauxbama got caught in another lie.   I'll bump it.     

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #310 on: June 20, 2011, 12:57:05 PM »
Obama knows he could lose some Latinos and even a handful of black votes, if that happens.

wow..McWay finaly said something that makes sense and has some truth to it....

see what happens when you lay off the orange cell-tech for just ONE day??? ;)..your brain cells start to return

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #311 on: June 20, 2011, 01:03:19 PM »
wow..McWay finaly said something that makes sense and has some truth to it....

see what happens when you lay off the orange cell-tech for just ONE day??? ;)..your brain cells start to return

What fauxbama does not want to lose if the gay $$$$$$.  So what if he loses a few blacks and hispanics in the process?    Obama does not give a damn about blacks or hispanics.   Its all about $$$$   

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #312 on: June 20, 2011, 08:01:04 PM »
What fauxbama does not want to lose if the gay $$$$$$.  So what if he loses a few blacks and hispanics in the process?    Obama does not give a damn about blacks or hispanics.   Its all about $$$$   

you never let up

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #313 on: June 20, 2011, 08:03:45 PM »
you never let up

It's the truth.   Fauxbama does not give a damn about blacks. 

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #314 on: June 20, 2011, 08:07:57 PM »
It's the truth.   Fauxbama does not give a damn about blacks. 

and Sarah Palin does???????

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #315 on: June 20, 2011, 08:11:10 PM »
No more or less than obama does.

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« Reply #316 on: June 20, 2011, 08:14:19 PM »
No more or less than obama does.

LOL..you couldn't even fake it and say she does......you KNOW she's hostile to blacks

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #317 on: June 20, 2011, 08:15:55 PM »
Why.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #318 on: June 20, 2011, 08:25:35 PM »
Why.

have you heard her mention blacks in a speech or debate even once????..have you EVER seen her talking to a black group????

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #319 on: June 20, 2011, 08:27:11 PM »
have you heard her mention blacks in a speech or debate even once????..have you EVER seen her talking to a black group????

Lmfao.  Bachmann mentioned them today and the miserable failure obamas economy has been for them. 

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #320 on: June 20, 2011, 11:07:01 PM »
if youre bisexual, then do you not understand that if youre born that way it would be discriminatory to not allow you to marry one of each sex under your logic of this being a civil rights issue?



I presume you mean marry a man and a woman at the same time. Of course that would be polygamy, which I believe is still illegal in this country. If you meant that a bisexual person could marry a person of the same sex and later marry someone of the opposite sex if they first divorced or otherwise lost their first partner in death, the I say so what? I am bisexual. I have been married to the same woman for a very long time. We're not getting divorced anytime in the near future. But if I was a widower and I met a man who I loved, why shouldn't we get married if that's what we wanted to do?

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #321 on: June 21, 2011, 08:49:22 AM »
  This is sad. I'm worried about what's on the horizon for our country when we keep thumbing our nose at the Creator like this.
He/She is wondering,, it's about time !
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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #322 on: June 21, 2011, 09:18:29 AM »
wow..McWay finaly said something that makes sense and has some truth to it....

see what happens when you lay off the orange cell-tech for just ONE day??? ;)..your brain cells start to return

You're late to the party, AGAIN. I've been saying that for the past two years. And, what part of "I don't like Orange Cell-Tech" don't you understand? My favorite is Blue Raspberry!!!

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #323 on: June 29, 2011, 12:28:12 PM »
Just a thought. If an immigrant marries a U.S. citizen in a gay marriage, does this allow them the same rights as an immigrant who marries a U.S. citizen in a straight marriage?

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #324 on: June 29, 2011, 12:39:21 PM »
Just a thought. If an immigrant marries a U.S. citizen in a gay marriage, does this allow them the same rights as an immigrant who marries a U.S. citizen in a straight marriage?

Not unless it's in one of those six states that allows gay "marriage".