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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #350 on: July 03, 2011, 10:32:46 PM »
Prime; bless your heart, you are wasting time trying to have a serious conversation with tony.
He won't change his mind, so it's more fun to poke fun at his ideas.  He expects that.

Are you saying I am taking him too seriously or am I giving him too much credit?

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #351 on: July 04, 2011, 06:28:14 AM »
Are you saying I am taking him too seriously or am I giving him too much credit?
He appears to be serious about everything he writes; it's just that you won't ever change his mind on anything.
Try not to take anything seriously in these threads. After all, this is a bodybuilding/steroid site. Those are the posts you should consider serious.
Who cares what a bunch of of roid heads think about politics ?!?
I'm posting because they make me smile. It's funny reading.
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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #352 on: July 04, 2011, 08:27:38 AM »
Prime youre for the idea of having ppl vote on the right of gays to marry but against them voting on the right to choose...

why the difference? they are both rights issues as far as youre concerned.

do you not see the inconsistency there?

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #353 on: July 04, 2011, 09:14:42 PM »
Prime youre for the idea of having ppl vote on the right of gays to marry but against them voting on the right to choose...

why the difference? they are both rights issues as far as youre concerned.

do you not see the inconsistency there?

You are dense. I never said I was against folks voting on a women's choice to abort a pregnancy. What I said is that I am against women not having that choice. If it is put to a vote in Oregon where I live, I would vote for a woman's right to choose. Just as I would vote for a gay couple's right to marry in a civil ceremony. If the majority of folks disagree with me in a vote, then they do. This is how a democracy works.

Give it up. You are making a fool of yourself.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #354 on: July 05, 2011, 06:07:23 AM »
You are dense. I never said I was against folks voting on a women's choice to abort a pregnancy. What I said is that I am against women not having that choice. If it is put to a vote in Oregon where I live, I would vote for a woman's right to choose. Just as I would vote for a gay couple's right to marry in a civil ceremony. If the majority of folks disagree with me in a vote, then they do. This is how a democracy works.

Give it up. You are making a fool of yourself.

,,,,making a fool.....
well, there you have the secret of these political threads.
no one ever changes anyone's minds; and the same arguments are hashed and rehashed daily.
The newer posters are seeing these things for the same time; us 'oldtimers' just sit back and smile...
and wait for Nov. '12.
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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #355 on: July 05, 2011, 12:54:36 PM »
,,,,making a fool.....
well, there you have the secret of these political threads.
no one ever changes anyone's minds; and the same arguments are hashed and rehashed daily.
The newer posters are seeing these things for the same time; us 'oldtimers' just sit back and smile...
and wait for Nov. '12.

The time leading up to election of November 2012 will no doubt bring a hailstorm of opinions about the candidates here. What is so funny and sad about this is that I would venture a guess that some of the loudest protesters won't bother to vote. Some people just complain about the system and the candidates rather than do something that could help change things. In most elections only about 40% of the folks who are eligible to vote actually do vote. That is pathetic.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #356 on: July 05, 2011, 05:01:40 PM »
You are dense. I never said I was against folks voting on a women's choice to abort a pregnancy. What I said is that I am against women not having that choice. If it is put to a vote in Oregon where I live, I would vote for a woman's right to choose. Just as I would vote for a gay couple's right to marry in a civil ceremony. If the majority of folks disagree with me in a vote, then they do. This is how a democracy works.

Give it up. You are making a fool of yourself.
Fair enough

not making a fool of myself but you were right, you didnt articulate very well...

go back and read your statements and youll see why I came to the conclusion I did.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #357 on: July 05, 2011, 09:47:06 PM »
Fair enough

not making a fool of myself but you were right, you didnt articulate very well...

go back and read your statements and youll see why I came to the conclusion I did.

I read my statements again each time you posted a reply indicating you didn't get what I was saying or that I had not answered your question as you'd hoped.  My replies seemed very clear to me. If to you I did not articulate well enough then that is what it is. I will endeavor to keep my answers and replies to you as simple and direct as I possibly can in the future.

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #358 on: July 06, 2011, 02:17:53 PM »
I read my statements again each time you posted a reply indicating you didn't get what I was saying or that I had not answered your question as you'd hoped.  My replies seemed very clear to me. If to you I did not articulate well enough then that is what it is. I will endeavor to keep my answers and replies to you as simple and direct as I possibly can in the future.
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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #359 on: May 06, 2012, 09:52:49 AM »
He and Obama went from this:



to this:

Biden says he is 'absolutely comfortable' with same-sex marriage
Posted by
CNN Chief White House Correspondent Jessica Yellin

(CNN) – As a ballot initiative to ban same sex-marriage comes to a vote in North Carolina this week, Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday he was "absolutely comfortable" with the idea of same-gender unions.

"I just think that the good news is that as more and more Americans come to understand what this is all about, it is a simple proposition: Who do you love? Who do you love? And will you be loyal to the person who love?" Biden said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

While he did not touch on the North Carolina initiative, his comments were consistent with his message on the controversial issue in general. He added, however, that it's the president, not him, who sets the administration's policy.

President Barack Obama, who once opposed same-sex marriage, has taken the official position that his views on the issue are "evolving." He says at fundraisers that there is much work do be done, leading many supporters in the LGBT community to believe that he would support same-sex marriage in a second term.

Biden, on the other hand, has more room politically to speak on the topic. Sunday, he said he was encouraged by what he sees as a shifting culture, one more welcoming to the notion of same-sex marriage, and pointed to a popular TV show as a catalyst for such change.

"I think 'Will and Grace' did more to educate the American public than almost anything anybody has ever done," Biden said, referring to the former NBC comedy about a gay man and a heterosexual woman living together in New York City.

Asked if the president would support same-sex marriage in a second term, Biden said he didn't know the answer. But he pointed to the Obama administration's repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, a move that now allows gay and lesbian members of the military to serve openly.

Some on Twitter seized on the vice president's words to question whether the White House was signaling a change in position on the issue ahead of the election. But David Axelrod, a senior adviser to Obama's re-election campaign, made clear that there is no intended split between the president's views and those of the vice president. Axelrod tweeted:

"What the VP said - that all married couples should have the same legal rights - is (precisely) POTUS' position."

The White House tried to shut down speculation that the administration's position on gay marriage has "evolved" when a spokesperson for the vice president put out a statement after the interview, saying his words mirror the president's position.

"Vice President Biden was echoing the President's position: that committed and loving same-sex couples deserve the same rights and protections enjoyed by all Americans, and that we oppose any effort to rollback those rights. That's why we stopped defending the constitutionality of section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act in legal challenges and support legislation to repeal it. Beyond that, the Vice President was expressing that he too is evolving on the issue, after meeting so many committed couples and families in this country."

Responding to the interview, a spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign, a leading advocacy group for LGBT rights, also put out a statement.

"We are encouraged by Vice President Biden's comments, who rightly articulated that loving and committed gay and lesbian couples should be treated equally. Now is the time for President Obama to speak out for full marriage equality for same-sex couples," Michael Cole-Schwartz, the group's communications director, said in a statement.

In the past, Biden has expressed support for gay marriage. In a December 2010 appearance on "Good Morning America," he said, "I think there's an inevitability for a national consensus on gay marriage."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/06/biden-says-he-is-absolutely-comfortable-with-same-sex-marriage/

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #360 on: May 06, 2012, 03:50:23 PM »
works for me.
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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #361 on: May 06, 2012, 04:11:37 PM »
works for me.

Too bad your cult messiah won't get behind behind, or does he?    :o  :o

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #362 on: May 08, 2012, 09:40:19 AM »
Romney backer hits Obama administration on same-sex marriage
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(CNN) – Former New York governor and Mitt Romney supporter George Pataki injected his voice Tuesday into the debate over the current administration's stance on same-sex marriage, an issue spiked by Vice President Joe Biden's comments over the weekend.

Although Republicans have been largely quiet on the issue in the last few days, Pataki used President Barack Obama's position to paint the current administration as shifty.

"Either you're for something or you're against it, and Vice President Biden has made it plain he's for it. President Obama on the other hand is looking to have both sides," Pataki said on a conference call with reporters.

On Sunday, Biden expressed support for same-sex marriage, comments the White House insisted did not represent a change from past statements. Obama, who once opposed same-sex marriage, has taken the official position that his stance on the issue is "evolving." He has hinted at fundraisers that there is more work to be done, leading many in the LGBT community to believe the president may work to legalize same-sex marriage on the national level during a second term.

Pataki, the former Republican three-term governor, said Obama is attempting to garner support from constituents who fall on both sides of the issue. He also compared the ongoing conversation surrounding same-sex marriage to the president’s open mic moment with then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, "where he said just wait until after the election, I'll have a lot more flexibility then."

"Well I think the American people deserve to know today where President Obama stands today and where he will stand next year on this issue," Pataki said.

Obama will appear with current Democratic New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo at the College of Nanoscale Science and Engineering's Albany NanoTech Complex at the State University of New York Albany for an event on Tuesday. The first-term Democrat has publicly supported same-sex marriage and signed a law legalizing the unions last year.

A Gallup Poll released Tuesday indicated half of Americans believe same-sex marriages should be recognized by law as valid, with 48% saying such marriages should not be legal.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/08/romney-backer-hits-obama-administration-on-same-sex-marriage/

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #363 on: May 08, 2012, 02:04:40 PM »
Too bad your cult messiah won't get behind behind, or does he?    :o  :o
it takes time.
i'm in no hurry.
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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #364 on: May 08, 2012, 02:13:17 PM »
it takes time.
i'm in no hurry.

Just admit it - your gay messiah has no balls on this.   


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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #365 on: May 09, 2012, 12:59:10 PM »
What a surprise.   ::)  Laying the groundwork for the president to say that his view on traditional marriage has "evolved" to the point where he now openly supports homosexual marriage.  I predict we see this "evolution" before the end of 2011. 


Missed it by a few months.   ::)

Obama says he supports same-sex marriage
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 3:45 PM EDT, Wed May 9, 2012

(CNN) -- President Barack Obama, who previously said his views on the issue were "evolving," said Wednesday that he supports same-sex marriage.

The announcement puts Obama squarely at odds with presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, who opposes same-sex marriage.

"At a certain point I've just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able to get married," Obama said in an interview with ABC News.

The president once opposed same-sex marriage.

Obama was "disappointed" by Tuesday's vote on the issue in North Carolina, which he described as discriminatory against gays and lesbians, a spokesman said earlier Wednesday.

North Carolina voted to implement a state constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, which was already prohibited by state law. Supporters of the measure pushed for the constitutional amendment, arguing that it was needed to ward off future legal challenges.

Obama spoke Wednesday with ABC's Robin Roberts. The interview will appear on ABC's "Good Morning America" Thursday. Excerpts were to air Wednesday evening on "World News with Diane Sawyer."

His interview followed comments by other key administration figures.

Vice President Joe Biden said Sunday on NBC he was "absolutely comfortable" with couples of the same gender marrying, leading observers to wonder when Obama would again address the issue.

Education Secretary Arne Duncan on Monday also made headlines when he openly backed same-sex marriage rights. Asked on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" if he supports allowing individuals of the same gender to legally wed, Duncan replied: "Yes, I do."

Obama told Roberts that first lady Michelle Obama was involved in his decision.

"This is something that, you know, we've talked about over the years and she, you know, she feels the same way, she feels the same way that I do," Obama said.

The new president of the Human Rights Campaign lauded Obama's decision.

"President Obama's words today will be celebrated by generations to come," Chad Griffin said. "For the millions of young gay and lesbian Americans across this nation, their president's words provide genuine hope that they will be first generation to grow up with the freedom to fully pursue the American dream."

Obama told ABC that some opinions on the issue are "generational."

"You know, when I go to college campuses, sometimes I talk to college Republicans who think that I have terrible policies on the economy, on foreign policy, but are very clear that when it comes to same-sex equality or, you know, sexual orientation, that they believe in equality," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/09/politics/obama-same-sex-marriage/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #366 on: May 10, 2012, 12:09:59 PM »
Just admit it - your gay messiah has no balls on this.   



Seems like he found his balls. What say you 333386?

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #367 on: May 10, 2012, 12:13:50 PM »
Seems like he found his balls. What say you 333386?

LOL - ZERO BALLS 

1.  SAID HE IS IN FAVOR OF STATES DECIDING

2.  SAID THIS AFTER MASSIVE LOSS IN NC

3.  SAID THIS AFTER HE LOST THE ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. 

4.  WHAT IS HIS PROPOSAL AND PROPOSED LEGISLATION AGAIN? 





only an idiot would fall for this scam from gaybama. 

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Re: Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'
« Reply #368 on: May 10, 2012, 12:47:02 PM »
Seems like he found his balls. What say you 333386?

It doesn't take balls to cower, when a sixth of your donors force you to stand up for gay "marriage" or lose their $$$$$$.

It doesn't take balls, when you come out (if you will) AFTER, instead of before, a marriage amendment vote in North Carolina which passed with ease.

And, it doesn't take balls, when your VP unmasks your intention to keep hemming and hawing on this issue, until the election is done. And your aides have verified that.