Obama thanks Eagles owner for giving Michael Vick a second chance

[Soul Crusher]

Great points here.  Stallworth should have been banned FOR LIFE for putting another living human being in the dirt. 

Vick lost more than $100 million and went bankrupt, and the whole country hated him.  You can't name many people killers that got shit that bad.

OJ actually got cheered. 

[tonymctones]

im not defending stallworth or condeming vick but what stallworth did was idiotic and he should be punished more so than he has been however it wasnt intentional

what vick did was intentional and he not only did it once but multiple times and in multiple ways.

stallworth should have got more and vick should have got less no doubt but as far as public opinion of their crimes go, vick showed forethought and still killed

I bet if you asked stallworth if he had thought about killing someone before driving would he have, he would say no

vick would say hell yea i thought about killing those dogs before i did it, and he still did it

[Dos Equis]

im not defending stallworth or condeming vick but what stallworth did was idiotic and he should be punished more so than he has been however it wasnt intentional

what vick did was intentional and he not only did it once but multiple times and in multiple ways.

stallworth should have got more and vick should have got less no doubt but as far as public opinion of their crimes go, vick showed forethought and still killed

I bet if you asked stallworth if he had thought about killing someone before driving would he have, he would say no

vick would say hell yea i thought about killing those dogs before i did it, and he still did it

I don't think running over a pedestrian while getting drunk and high is unintentional.  He knew he was putting people's lives in danger.  Everyone with a driver's license knows what drugs and alcohol does to your driving ability. 

Plus he killed a person, and people > than animals. 

[Fury]

So Obama has enough time to call up the Eagles and thank them for hiring Vick but he doesn't have enough time to get on the phone and tell the president of the terrorist state of Pakistan to pardon Asia Bibi, the Christian Pakistani mother who sits on death row after being charged with blasphemy when she had the audacity to carry water out to her Muslim neighbors working in the field. Pakistan, a country that we ship billions of dollars in money, aid and training to every year.

Good to see Obama has his priorities straight.

I'm sure 240 can spin that for his hero, though.

Michael Vick's success > the life of a mother.

[tonymctones]

I don't think running over a pedestrian while getting drunk and high is unintentional.  He knew he was putting people's lives in danger.  Everyone with a driver's license knows what drugs and alcohol does to your driving ability. 

Plus he killed a person, and people > than animals. 

I agree with you but he didnt see the person and say im going to run this guy down...

vick saw the dogs he killed, knew what he was doing and did it with intent

I totally agree with you on ppl and animals, my point was to give a possible reason why some may be able to forgive stallworth while holding a grudge against vick.

you have to be a cold blooded son of a bitch to kill a dog that isnt trying to hurt you, no imagine that the dog is your dog who loves you, who wants nothing more than to please its owner...imagine that owner drowning the dog, electricuting him, body slamming him repeatedly

thats some sick ass shit bro

[Soul Crusher]

Michael Vick's success > the life of a mother.

BF - he is too busy wolfing down deserts. 

[Fury]

BF - he is too busy wolfing down deserts. 

I bet he'd be on the horn within 30 seconds of a Christian court condemning a Muslim mother to death for "blasphemy". 

[tu_holmes]

It was not just Jesse who attacked cobsy for speaking the truth, there were many others.  

Just as many agreed with Bill.

That's why the Black community is so divided... Is there a group that just wants a handout? Sure.

But there's a large group that also wants to be rewarded equally for hard work.

[Soul Crusher]

Just as many agreed with Bill.

That's why the Black community is so divided... Is there a group that just wants a handout? Sure.

But there's a large group that also wants to be rewarded equally for hard work.

The fact that anyone attacked him speaks volumes.   

[tu_holmes]

The fact that anyone attacked him speaks volumes.   

It speaks volumes about those people... yes.

[Dos Equis]

I agree with you but he didnt see the person and say im going to run this guy down...

vick saw the dogs he killed, knew what he was doing and did it with intent

I totally agree with you on ppl and animals, my point was to give a possible reason why some may be able to forgive stallworth while holding a grudge against vick.

you have to be a cold blooded son of a bitch to kill a dog that isnt trying to hurt you, no imagine that the dog is your dog who loves you, who wants nothing more than to please its owner...imagine that owner drowning the dog, electricuting him, body slamming him repeatedly

thats some sick ass shit bro

I agree about Vick.  What he did was terrible.  But I don't think he should never be forgiven.  

I had a long discussion with Earl (?) about Stallworth on the Sports board.  Reckless behavior is not accidental behavior.  Big difference between not seeing someone crossing a street and running them over (accident) and not seeing someone because you were drunk and high (not an accident).  That's why one is a crime and one isn't.  

Keep in mind a car is essentially a weapon.      

[tonymctones]

I agree about Vick.  What he did was terrible.  But I don't think he should never be forgiven.  

I had a long discussion with Earl (?) about Stallworth on the Sports board.  Reckless behavior is not accidental behavior.  Big difference between not seeing someone crossing a street and running them over (accident) and not seeing someone because you were drunk and high (not an accident).  That's why one is a crime and one isn't.  

Keep in mind a car is essentially a weapon.      

I agree but again you dont make the conscious decision to kill that person, which is why there is manslaughter and muder charges

I see what youre saying that when you get behind the wheel of a car you made the decision to drive and whatever happens after that you assume responsibility for but there is still a difference between intentionally taking a life and doing so unintentionally by making a bad decision.

humans are more important than animals so i agree stallworth should have done a couple years in jail

[tu_holmes]

I agree but again you dont make the conscious decision to kill that person, which is why there is manslaughter and muder charges

I see what youre saying that when you get behind the wheel of a car you made the decision to drive and whatever happens after that you assume responsibility for but there is still a difference between intentionally taking a life and doing so unintentionally by making a bad decision.

humans are more important than animals so i agree stallworth should have done a couple years in jail

No, you make a conscious decision to drive while intoxicated though... That's a choice.

If you shoot someone with a gun because you've been drinking, you're still convicted of manslaughter, even if it's an accident.

If you rob someone while intoxicated, your use of alcohol does not give you a pass.

You are aware of the actions you're taking prior, and if those actions cause you to spiral into worse actions, then you are still responsible.

[Dos Equis]

No, you make a conscious decision to drive while intoxicated though... That's a choice.

If you shoot someone with a gun because you've been drinking, you're still convicted of manslaughter, even if it's an accident.

If you rob someone while intoxicated, your use of alcohol does not give you a pass.

You are aware of the actions you're taking prior, and if those actions cause you to spiral into worse actions, then you are still responsible.

I agree with this. 

[Option D]

It was not just Jesse who attacked cobsy for speaking the truth, there were many others.   

But how do you quantify it accuratley enough to say "this" represents the majority of this group of people..
Further more can you name the "many others" that attacked Bill Cosby?

[Soul Crusher]

But how do you quantify it accuratley enough to say "this" represents the majority of this group of people..
Further more can you name the "many others" that attacked Bill Cosby?

Please - stop playing games - we all know there were many commentators and pundits attacking him.   Ill dig out some examples later. 

Cosby told the truth and those with their head in the sand are are the ones looking foolish.    No wonder "the community" is so fucked up when people can't even speak the truth without being attacked.   

[tu_holmes]

Please - stop playing games - we all know there were many commentators and pundits attacking him.   Ill dig out some examples later. 

Cosby told the truth and those with their head in the sand are are the ones looking foolish.    No wonder "the community" is so fucked up when people can't even speak the truth without being attacked.   

In all honesty... I never heard and pundits attack him.

Just Jesse... Maybe some asshat from the NAACP, but that's it.

I personally knew many many many more people who agreed with Bill.

[tonymctones]

No, you make a conscious decision to drive while intoxicated though... That's a choice.

If you shoot someone with a gun because you've been drinking, you're still convicted of manslaughter, even if it's an accident.

If you rob someone while intoxicated, your use of alcohol does not give you a pass.

You are aware of the actions you're taking prior, and if those actions cause you to spiral into worse actions, then you are still responsible.

if you shot someone you made the conscious choice to shoot someone

if you rob someone you made the conscious choice to rob them

stallworth did not make the conscious choice to kill that man

I agree with your statement, my point is in regards to INTENT, stallworth did not intend to kill that man

VICK very much so intended to kill a dog and did it multiple times

Intent is the difference, did stallworth get behind the wheel with the sole purpose of finding someone to run over? NOOOOO

did vick hold a dog under water, electricute them, body slam them repeatedly with the sole intent of killing those dogs, YESSSSSSSSSSS

[tu_holmes]

if you shot someone you made the conscious choice to shoot someone

if you rob someone you made the conscious choice to rob them

stallworth did not make the conscious choice to kill that man

I agree with your statement, my point is in regards to INTENT, stallworth did not intend to kill that man

VICK very much so intended to kill a dog and did it multiple times

Intent is the difference, did stallworth get behind the wheel with the sole purpose of finding someone to run over? NOOOOO

did vick hold a dog under water, electricute them, body slam them repeatedly with the sole intent of killing those dogs, YESSSSSSSSSSS

Your intent is to not care about other people while you're behind the wheel.

There is no difference... You either care or you don't... Stallworth didn't care about the well-being of people, Vick didn't care about the well-being of dogs.

I find your concept highly simplistic and you have to take it to it's base component of "caring about an external entity".

That's just my opinion of course.

[tonymctones]

Your intent is to not care about other people while you're behind the wheel.

There is no difference... You either care or you don't... Stallworth didn't care about the well-being of people, Vick didn't care about the well-being of dogs.

I find your concept highly simplistic and you have to take it to it's base component of "caring about an external entity".

That's just my opinion of course.

lol if that was the case he would have been charged with murder not manslaughter sorry holmes the law disagrees with you, intent in the action of killing someone is very much a big deal

i understand what youre saying but sorry no stallworth did not intend to kill that man he intended to drive but he didnt look for a guy to run down...

vick looked for a dog to kill and found them multiple times

this is like saying that by speeding you dont care and if you get in an accident you intended to kill someone

sorry not the case broham

intent in the action of killing is the difference

stallworth no intent to kill
vick intent to kill

[tu_holmes]

lol if that was the case he would have been charged with murder not manslaughter sorry holmes the law disagrees with you, intent in the action of killing someone is very much a big deal

i understand what youre saying but sorry no stallworth did not intend to kill that man he intended to drive but he didnt look for a guy to run down...

vick looked for a dog to kill and found them multiple times

this is like saying that by speeding you dont care and if you get in an accident you intended to kill someone

sorry not the case broham

intent in the action of killing is the difference

stallworth no intent to kill
vick intent to kill

That's not even what he was guilty of man... You have no idea.

Vick pleaded guilty to one count of "conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture" in a plea agreement filed in U.S. District Court in Richmond.

Absolutely nothing to do with killing a dog.

So he got 2  years for interstate commerce and sponsorship and Stallworth got 30 days for accidentally killing a person.

Yeah man... That still makes sense.

You either care about others or you don't.

Neither did.

[tonymctones]

That's not even what he was guilty of man... You have no idea.

Vick pleaded guilty to one count of "conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture" in a plea agreement filed in U.S. District Court in Richmond.

Absolutely nothing to do with killing a dog.

So he got 2  years for interstate commerce and sponsorship and Stallworth got 30 days for accidentally killing a person.

Yeah man... That still makes sense.

You either care about others or you don't.

Neither did.

Vick took a plea bargin to avoid a whole laundry list of other charges...

I agree with you about not caring but again intent is crucial in both law and public opinion...

stallworths is viewed as an accident, a VERY PREVENTABLE accident

vicks is viewed as an INTENTIONAL ACTION

again im not defending stallworth or condemning vick to me they are both pieces of shit, but stallworth didnt intend to kill that man, vick very much so intended to kill those dogs

[tu_holmes]

Vick took a plea bargin to avoid a whole laundry list of other charges...

I agree with you about not caring but again intent is crucial in both law and public opinion...

stallworths is viewed as an accident, a VERY PREVENTABLE accident

vicks is viewed as an INTENTIONAL ACTION

again im not defending stallworth or condemning vick to me they are both pieces of shit, but stallworth didnt intend to kill that man, vick very much so intended to kill those dogs

So then dog life > human life either way?

[tonymctones]

So then dog life > human life either way?

to me no sir AS IVE ALREADY SAID, to most no sir

but to some without a doubt

i agreed that stallworth should have got more time and vick less...the thing here is public opinion

stallworth while extremely heinous was an accident

vick to be honest is only slightly less heinous b/c he did it multiple time in multiple different way and he did it intentionally

i think that is the heart of why ppl have overlooked stallworth and continue to focus on vick

[Option D]

Please - stop playing games - we all know there were many commentators and pundits attacking him.   Ill dig out some examples later. 

Cosby told the truth and those with their head in the sand are are the ones looking foolish.    No wonder "the community" is so fucked up when people can't even speak the truth without being attacked.   

Alright chief.. couple of things..
One...if there are many commentators attacking him.. its very easy to post a few.. of you cant.. shut the fuck up.. if you cant site many articles or writings condemning his statements.. shut the fuck up.

And i asked how do you quantify the feeling in enough usable data to say "overwhelmingly, this group of people feels this way about a certian topic" you cant..and you are so dumb you let the statements of one guy represent the whole...an that good enough for you.. thats hy you=Faux news.. you are all soundbite and emotion...