Illegal Immigration in californication is not a sport.

[gh15]

I don't care if they've been here 40 years...The bottom line is they are here ILLEGALLY.  There is no statute of limitations for that.  That line of thinking falls in line with someone that murdered someone when they were 20 years old...Got away with it and lived a crime free life and was an honorable citizen for the next 40 years and then the crime from 40 years ago finally catches up with them and people say, He/She was a good person for the last 40 years, that counts for something....NO, NO, NO..They committed a crime and deserved to be punished as if the offense was committed yesterday...cry me a fucking river.

I bet if it were 20 million illegal Negroes they'd figure something out really quick.

no ,,im trying to tell something here,,listen

there are every day 100S of over stay visa across americana that came LEGALY to americana and stayed years after visa expired,,they marry americanos some from love which is nice and dandy and some nto from love,,both get legalization and green card and many of them get to be citizen super fat usually 2 years within green card award,,lol ,,now this is what i say the double face of americana,,so they get anything they want because they are white they look cute,,they are smart and student,,they have cute americana wifey that is from kensas or somethign that they love or not i want to believe most of them love thats why marry ,,but then again they all get green card no problemos ,,not even fine NO FINE!!!! they get it on spot all sins forgive lol ,,americana goverment just forgive the sins of them overstay the visa,,because they have money and good daddy and mommy behind  they look americanos and usually from finland or somehng and cazn talk english ok ,,

then there are the black shiiiiiiiiiiiiip lol the mexicano nigros lol the ones who came to americana ILLEGALY ACROSS THE BORDER,,THEY ARE SATAN!! THEYH GOT NO MONEY THEY ARE VERY GOOD WORKERS BUT THEY EAT SHIT BECAUSE DADDY AND MOMMY NOT RICH AND THEY HAVE NO ROOF TO PUT OVER THEIR HEAD SO AMERICANOS GET THEIR FRASTRATIONS ON THEM AND KICK THEM IN THE BALLS,,it shoudl not be this way IN THE COUNTRY OF FREEDOM ,,THIS IS HOW YOU LOSING THE STATUS OF WHAT REAGAN MADE OF YOU!! ALL YOUR 4 FATHERS ALL OF THEM WOULD BE VERY VERY MAD AT YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO NOW,,

EVERY ONE SHOULD BE GETING THIS GREEN CARD,,EVERY ONE INSIDE BORDER,,OFCOURSE EVERY PONE WHO BEEN IN AMERICNAA FOR YEARS SHOULD GET IT NO PROBLEMOS EVEN IF CAME ILLEGALY BUT! ALSO THE ONES WHOONLY BEEN IN AMERICANA FOR A YEAR OR 2 SHOULD  THEY SHOULD PAY FINE,,AND WITH THIS TIME UNTIL THEN BUILD THE F U C K I N FENCE!! SO NO MORE CAN COME OR A LOT LOT LESS,,AND LET THEM LEARN ENGLISH AND MAKE THEM CONDITION THE GREEN CARD WITH ENGLISH

thats what im tryin gto say

read is 100 times you wil get to same conclusion

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[Fallsview]

40-60k i think

When I was in a classroom, I made 98,000 a year with some after noon classes.

[Doug_Steele]

well let me tell you, the only way to avoid this is to move to the north. end of problem. im  moving out of arizona in june, and im counting the days

Wrong. They are up there too.  

[gh15]

youve got a decent point and it should be taken into consideratrion but your also taking your argument to an extreme that isnt supported by logic. the fact that something is illegal doesnt necessarily make it wrong, or make it bad for society. illegal immigrants, for the most part, are not doing anything "wrong". they didnt go through the proper channels in order to come to america. thats all they have done wrong.

we should make sure everyone here is legal, and that will require alot of the people here illegally to be "kicked out". but we dont need to kick all of them out, and we should certainly make it more accessible for people to live here that want to, especially when our economy is dependant upon them being here.

the immigration issue is very complex. you have to look at national interests, but also broader humanitarian principles as well.

and thts why no one wil be kicked out! ,,they will all stay ,,because its very hard to not kick out james robson from england that been overstay visa for 6 year and married amy smith,,and then kick out salvadora gonzales because she has no one to loev her because she is ugly and coudnt marry and came to americnaa illegaly ,,you cant do this to humans,,you just cant,,thats why reagan approach will happen again ,,and the parties in americnaa are fighting on one thing,,who will get the credit  because the ones who do will rule for 20 yearrs...

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[Doug_Steele]

40-60k i think

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=High_School_Teacher/Salary
 

[gh15]

You wouldn't have to have the card but if you want to do any of the things I said, then you'd need the card...I'm willing to give up whatever freedom you think you have from not having the card....Yes, every human has those rights but not in a country in which they entered ILLEGALLY.  So until then, let them hide in the shadows...I don't care.  The broke the law and there are plenty of people in worst situation in other countries but because they are a hop, skip and a jump from the U.S. people feel they have an obligation to help them out...NO...Amnesty may happen eventually but I for one will do everything against making it a reality.  These fucking illegals are fucking this country up in more ways than one, although they are not the sole reason this country is fucked...I'm not going to list the ways in which they are doing it because everyone knows already..My fucking brother even married one and had a kid with one...She's legal now only because he is in the military.  ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL

yes but if they hide in the shadow ,,your future kids will be at risk for one of those mexicanos to drive drunk with no insurance hit your child and finitno life for you ,,you will have to pay everything you have for what an illegal mexicano did ,,its very very complicated and they shoudl get green cards in americana ,,there should be some kind of punishment for the ones who came into the border illegally true and this should be either fine of 5 k or aroudn or maybe no ability to get citizenship for 10 years or something,,something to make them punished but you cant kick them out,,youll never get them all ,,you wont even get 1/10 out,,no matter what you do ,,you dont give them work someone else will,,if they tsake 2 bucks an hour and they will they will get the dirty jobs even with out cards,,they got family members that legal ,,they got peopel from mexicana that legal with big factories,,its very very big issue that if you had good preisdent now and not that muslim huseen who doesnt care right from left and king of gneration nothingness....if you had a decent president that president would solve it ,,

you need REAGAN URGENTLY !! ! ! ! 

maybe you should dig him up ,,his bones,,and build him somehow because you have no reagans around ,,i dont know where the great americanos are,,all dissapeared

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[Wiggs]

youve got a decent point and it should be taken into consideratrion but your also taking your argument to an extreme that isnt supported by logic. the fact that something is illegal doesnt necessarily make it wrong, or make it bad for society. illegal immigrants, for the most part, are not doing anything "wrong". they didnt go through the proper channels in order to come to america. thats all they have done wrong.

we should make sure everyone here is legal, and that will require alot of the people here illegally to be "kicked out". but we dont need to kick all of them out, and we should certainly make it more accessible for people to live here that want to, especially when our economy is dependant upon them being here.

the immigration issue is very complex. you have to look at national interests, but also broader humanitarian principles as well.

I'm not getting into this with you again...If your brain isn't too fried, you'll remember we had this debate before about a year ago...It's very logical.
You don't want to be logical because you don't respect most laws anyway. I don't expect you to agree and I'm certainly not going to try to convince you.  It may or may not be wrong that can be debated, but it IS ILLEGAL and because it is ILLEGAL we have ways of handling that and because of the political and economic ramifications, most politicians are too pussy to act.

You wanna play the humanitarian card? How about all the homeless Americans on our streets?  How about Haiti that isn't too far and is in a much more fucked up situation then Mexico?  It's only complex because you and others make it complex.  Had we not let it get to this point where people rely on them then it wouldn't be a problem...But not rich and well off people rather take advantage of them by paying them slave wages for jobs people should be compensated more.  Anyone shouldn't be allowed in this country the so-called greatest country in the world (hasn't been for the last 15 years)...People that should be allowed here are people that are going to contribute something other than cheap labor.   We have plenty of that with poor minorities.

[gh15]

also remember,,if you kick out james robson with the mexicano that came illegaly ,,les assume for a second you kcik out anyone that is ilegal stay even over stay visa ,,,so if you kick out james robson .....amy smith his wife from west arkensas will make HELL ,,she will make HELLL TO THE AMERICANO GOVERMENT BECAUSE SHE IS AMERICANA ,,SHE IS YOUR SISTER ,,SHE IS YOUR BLOOD SHE WAS BORN IN 1980 IN SOME HOSPITAL IN NO WHERE TO BE FOUND KENSAS AND IS FULL BLODED AMERICAN 10TH GENERATION PROBABLY RELATED TO YOUR FORTH FATHERS,,SO SHE IS AMERICANA BLOOD AND IF SHE GET MAD AND MADE A BIG SCENCE ....IN AMERICANA THIS = HELL ON EARTH ,,LOTS OF LAWYERS,,LOTS OF MONEY TO MAKE ON THE CASE,, AND AMY SMITH WILL ALWAYS WIN BECAUSE SHE IS AMERICNAA AND HER HUBBY WILL STAY AND THE GOVERMENT WILL WASTE LOTS OF MONEY BUT AFGTER A WHILE WILL SEE IT GO NO WHERE AND DROP THE CASE,,BECAUSE NO SANE GOVERMENT WILL TELL ITS CITIZEN FROM BIRTH AMY SMITH FROM WEST ARKANSAS TO GO LIVE WITH JAMES ROBSON BACK IN ENGLAND FOR 10 YEARS...BECAUSE THE AMERICANO GOVERMENT KNOW AMY SMITH HAVE FAMILY AND THERE WIL BE HUGE NOISE AND POLITICANS WILL LOSE THEIR PLACES ETC ETC ETC

thats why kick out can never be made to those illegals no matter who they are

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[devilsmile]

Many don't know this, but America doesn't have an established national language...It's been in Congress a couple time but has been voted down by the pussy ass  Democraps.

What this country needs is a form of a national ID card with a database...No ID card, no traveling by plane, train or bus.  In addition, you want to apply for credit, or buy anything with other than cash,...national ID card.  You want to see the doctor or go to the hospital for care other than emergency, national ID card.  You want to go to a public school, receive government assistance of any kind, library cards, drivers license, etc...national ID card.

Problems solved...No national ID card, no ability to do anything.

well wiggs it's happening, the national ID card, people are going to receive a chip in their foreheads or right hands. Right hand is preferred because most people are right handed. And that chip has all your bank information, home information, job history, school history, criminal history, your blood type... you name it... and it's also a tracking device. You can be tracked anywhere on this planet at any time. You can't buy, you can't sell, you can't do anything without it and at the same time everyone knows what you are doing.

 I don't want some men in suits or anybody know my exact location on this planet no matter where I am with the ID chip, and last for some immigrants. What true privacy would I have? Nothing, I would be a complete robot. Sick!

ALL HUMANS TO BE CHIPPED N 2017, it's in the NEWS!!

Do you rly think this is what you want?

just watch them.. they are "reallY" planning it, "WIGGS", ok?

[Wiggs]

also remember,,if you kick out james robson with the mexicano that came illegaly ,,les assume for a second you kcik out anyone that is ilegal stay even over stay visa ,,,so if you kick out james robson .....amy smith his wife from west arkensas will make HELL ,,she will make HELLL TO THE AMERICANO GOVERMENT BECAUSE SHE IS AMERICANA ,,SHE IS YOUR SISTER ,,SHE IS YOUR BLOOD SHE WAS BORN IN 1980 IN SOME HOSPITAL IN NO WHERE TO BE FOUND KENSAS AND IS FULL BLODED AMERICAN 10TH GENERATION PROBABLY RELATED TO YOUR FORTH FATHERS,,SO SHE IS AMERICANA BLOOD AND IF SHE GET MAD AND MADE A BIG SCENCE ....IN AMERICANA THIS = HELL ON EARTH ,,LOTS OF LAWYERS,,LOTS OF MONEY TO MAKE ON THE CASE,, AND AMY SMITH WILL ALWAYS WIN BECAUSE SHE IS AMERICNAA AND HER HUBBY WILL STAY AND THE GOVERMENT WILL WASTE LOTS OF MONEY BUT AFGTER A WHILE WILL SEE IT GO NO WHERE AND DROP THE CASE,,BECAUSE NO SANE GOVERMENT WILL TELL ITS CITIZEN FROM BIRTH AMY SMITH FROM WEST ARKANSAS TO GO LIVE WITH JAMES ROBSON BACK IN ENGLAND FOR 10 YEARS...BECAUSE THE AMERICANO GOVERMENT KNOW AMY SMITH HAVE FAMILY AND THERE WIL BE HUGE NOISE AND POLITICANS WILL LOSE THEIR PLACES ETC ETC ETC

thats why kick out can never be made to those illegals no matter who they are

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I accept and understand that it will be virtually impossible to get the estimated 20 million illegals out of the country.  My proposal is making it very difficult for them to live here. In addition, people that over stay on the Visas vs. coming here outright illegally are the same but different...there should be two different punishments...The former being much lighter than the latter.  If you start a family knowing you were here illegally, guess whose fault it is?  YOURS!  You'll get no sympathy from me just because you wanted to enjoy the good life...Those who stay past their Visa dates would be fined IF they were offered a chance to extend their stay or got married here....They would have to pay a fine if they weren't married to an American by the time the Visa was expired...No anchor baby bullshit...I for one feel even if a kid was born here to illegal parents, they shouldn't be considered American citizens because their parents where here illegally.UNLESS one of the parents was an American...Only exception...

Otherwise GET THE FUCK OUT.  My wife was an LEGAL immigrant from Germany...We met in Stuttgart where I was stationed....She is now an American citizen for 5.5 years...LEGALLY!  She took the test, completed the paperwork, waited and did it the right way.

[roccoginge]

that wil make you even worse police state,,it wont happen with out automatic green card to everyone in the country of americana right now,,its just immposible to do right nwo because people will nto be able to get care and spread diseases,,it will be very bad ,,after everyone get green card,,,thenn you can do it ,,and then you need to let the green card holder wait a good 3 years and prove himself preferably  6 before givgin citiznship,,the condition should be WITH THE CITIZENSHIP not with the green card,,every human has the right to work ,,to be healthy,,and to not be scaed,,they all have the right to breath air and not fear ,,it will redcue crime too,,trust me that what will happen ,,they will all get amnesty sooner or later

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My wife is from Mexico, and speaks better English than you.  You actually have a better idea than most.  I speak fluent spanish, It took a while, but my wifes English is better.  She learned from Sesame Street, as a kid.  I think that borders are stupid for stupid scared people.  Joe Rogan has my same idea.  I'll try to post his comment right now.

[roccoginge]

I accept and understand that it will be virtually impossible to get the estimated 20 million illegals out of the country.  My proposal is making it very difficult for them to live here. In addition, people that over stay on the Visas vs. coming here outright illegally are the same but different...there should be two different punishments...The former being much lighter than the latter.  If you start a family knowing you were here illegally, guess whose fault it is?  YOURS!  You'll get no sympathy from me just because you wanted to enjoy the good life...Those who stay past their Visa dates would be fined IF they were offered a chance to extend their stay or got married here....They would have to pay a fine if they weren't married to an American by the time the Visa was expired...No anchor baby bullshit...I for one feel even if a kid was born here to illegal parents, they shouldn't be considered American citizens because their parents where here illegally.UNLESS one of the parents was an American...Only exception...

Otherwise GET THE FUCK OUT.  My wife was an LEGAL immigrant from Germany...We met in Stuttgart where I was stationed....She is now an American citizen for 5.5 years...LEGALLY!  She took the test, completed the paperwork, waited and did it the right way.

You do realize that noone is a natural born citizen here?

[Fallsview]

My wife is from Mexico, and speaks better English than you.  You actually have a better idea than most.  I speak fluent spanish, It took a while, but my wifes English is better.  She learned from Sesame Street, as a kid.  I think that borders are stupid for stupid scared people.  Joe Rogan has my same idea.  I'll try to post his comment right now.

I applaud you and your wife.  I'm not saying all but the majority that I taught, their parents did not speak english and did not care to learn.  Sad.

[Wiggs]

You do realize that noone is a natural born citizen here?

You're married to a Mexican, I don't expect you to view this with objectivity whether your wife is legal or not...
You're spewing crazy talk about giving up the sovereignty of a nation by getting rid of it's boarders?  This is real life guy, not some idealistic, hippie bullshit...I can't even take you seriously now since you even uttered that bullshit.

[roccoginge]

Fuck, Mr. Wiggs, you of all people should understand.  Are you worried about a Mexican taking your job?  If so, you have some personal problems that need fixing.  If the law that says all people born in the U.S. are citizens is repealed(article 14).  Then how many of us will not qualify, in reality?  Only relatives of CrazyHorse and SittingBull will apply.

[devilsmile]

epic consentrating on the beans rather than the steak in this thread.

[Wiggs]

Fuck, Mr. Wiggs, you of all people should understand.  Are you worried about a Mexican taking your job?  If so, you have some personal problems that need fixing.  If the law that says all people born in the U.S. are citizens is repealed(article 14).  Then how many of us will not qualify, in reality?  Only relatives of CrazyHorse and SittingBull will apply.

It has nothing to do with my job.  When have I ever mentioned that.  If I remember correctly you were in on the same debate I had with t-bombz about boarders early last year.  I'm not going to get into some theoretical bullshit about who are and who are not REAL Americans...You and others may not like it, but we won. Native Americans unfortunately have been reduced to living on their reservations they've been severely fucked yes...Oh well get over it...My people, blacks were slaves for 400 plus years...Oh well get over it...We are living in the now and planning for the future...In reality all people born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens and the idea that children born to illegal parents not having U.S. citizenship has been brought up for good reason because these people know having children here is their way of staying...So taking that away is in the best interest of the status quo...ME....I don't care about whose country it was only about whose country it is now and that's who I'm trying to ensure keeps it. 

[roccoginge]

It has nothing to do with my job.  When have I ever mentioned that.  If I remember correctly you were in on the same debate I had with t-bombz about boarders early last year.  I'm not going to get into some theoretical bullshit about who are and who are not REAL Americans...You and others may not like it, but we won. Native Americans unfortunately have been reduced to living on their reservations they've been severely fucked yes...Oh well get over it...My people, blacks were slaves for 400 plus years...Oh well get over it...We are living in the now and planning for the future...In reality all people born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens and the idea that children born to illegal parents not having U.S. citizenship has been brought up for good reason because these people know having children here is their way of staying...So taking that away is in the best interest of the status quo...ME....I don't care about whose country it was only about whose country it is now and that's who I'm trying to ensure keeps it. 

I bought a house in Mexico for my woman, she would rather live here with her family.  Of course, I have to take care of it.  Seriously most Mexicans would like to make enough money and retire in Mexico.  They pay about 100 dollars a week here in the factories.  What's the big deal if someone wants to go to the U.S.  and make 400 dollars a week.  Come on, why the hate?

[roccoginge]

one love?

[Wiggs]

I bought a house in Mexico for my woman, she would rather live here with her family.  Of course, I have to take care of it.  Seriously most Mexicans would like to make enough money and retire in Mexico.  They pay about 100 dollars a week here in the factories.  What's the big deal if someone wants to go to the U.S.  and make 400 dollars a week.  Come on, why the hate?

Follow the laws and I have no problem with people coming here and making a living...When they don't and drain the system, artificially change the cultural and racial demographics, then I have a problem with that when they shouldn't be here anyway....Legal people I have ZERO problems with.

[roccoginge]

Follow the laws and I have no problem with people coming here and making a living...When they don't and drain the system, artificially change the cultural and racial demographics, then I have a problem with that when they shouldn't be here anyway....Legal people I have ZERO problems with.

Well, a guest worker program sounds good to me, no?

[Wiggs]

Sounds like amnesty to me...After we take care of this first, then we can address any idea if a guest worker program...BTW this is just with Mexicans, this is with all races, Mexican happen to have the most.

[roccoginge]

I guess the"guest worker program"  we had a long time ago, didn't work so well.  The white man thought it was forever and for free(somewhat).  Let's try to keep this in perspective.

[gh15]

I accept and understand that it will be virtually impossible to get the estimated 20 million illegals out of the country.  My proposal is making it very difficult for them to live here. In addition, people that over stay on the Visas vs. coming here outright illegally are the same but different...there should be two different punishments...The former being much lighter than the latter.  If you start a family knowing you were here illegally, guess whose fault it is?  YOURS!  You'll get no sympathy from me just because you wanted to enjoy the good life...Those who stay past their Visa dates would be fined IF they were offered a chance to extend their stay or got married here....They would have to pay a fine if they weren't married to an American by the time the Visa was expired...No anchor baby bullshit...I for one feel even if a kid was born here to illegal parents, they shouldn't be considered American citizens because their parents where here illegally.UNLESS one of the parents was an American...Only exception...

Otherwise GET THE FUCK OUT.  My wife was an LEGAL immigrant from Germany...We met in Stuttgart where I was stationed....She is now an American citizen for 5.5 years...LEGALLY!  She took the test, completed the paperwork, waited and did it the right way.

oh so you say james robson that got to americnaa legaly through the borders with papers is ok to stay only fine him some money especially if married to americano ,,ok got it ,,so basically you say all the miexicanos in americana shoudl just leave,,got it too,,but they dont....so what you gonna do ? you basically say ok i want mexican that came illegaly and sneak from outside the border into the border to go back to mexicao ,,thats basicaly what you say ,,but obviously they dont,,so you going to do id ok ,,then what ,,they will just do drugs sells and get money from that,,they will find a way to leave off 2 bucks like they do now from 4 bucks ,,they will live in bunches of them insted of 5 at one place they will be 10 ,,,,the crime will climb high,,the economy will suck even more,,so i dont  get it ,,how will th eproblem solve?

so lets say you solve the problem fo the extended visa and they are all ok pay 2 k married or whatever ,,then you got 15 million MEXICANOS what do you do with them? how do you collect them? how ,,you become like nazi germany? just go from house to house? i cant see americanos doing it becase americanos have heart ,,hell i cant even see polic man doing it if he stopped someone  and thought he was ilegal i just cant see them saying anything,,since americanos are good people ingeneral ,,even in arizona i just cant see that thing work ,,it wont,,

there got to be a solution ,,maybe something in the form of ,,you give them z viza like offered not green card and they need to prove few things nd then after few years they get green card if leaned english and integrated to society ,,

you cant just keep them as shadows,,do you understand the desperate people when walk in hadows can become ticking bombs? look at the palastinian in isreal they were ticking bombs until irsreal built the fence ,,there got to be fence built no mattter how big and long it is ,,got to be fence and then somehow let the ones that inside ameircnaa stay and prove themselve for a while ,,there is no other way ,,trust me i cant stand them either especially not their gangs,,but there got to be some kind of solution from within and it is NOT the id ,,the id shoudl come after AFTER every one is documented to you start fresh and with no problems,,atleast most should be documented,,do you know how much 20 million is?? do you know how much 10 million is? its like some states around the world ,,you got a country within a country,,its a mess

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[Wiggs]

oh so you say james robson that got to americnaa legaly through the borders with papers is ok to stay only fine him some money especially if married to americano ,,ok got it ,,so basically you say all the miexicanos in americana shoudl just leave,,got it too,,but they dont....so what you gonna do ? you basically say ok i want mexican that came illegaly and sneak from outside the border into the border to go back to mexicao ,,thats basicaly what you say ,,but obviously they dont,,so you going to do id ok ,,then what ,,they will just do drugs sells and get money from that,,they will find a way to leave off 2 bucks like they do now from 4 bucks ,,they will live in bunches of them insted of 5 at one place they will be 10 ,,,,the crime will climb high,,the economy will suck even more,,so i dont  get it ,,how will th eproblem solve?

so lets say you solve the problem fo the extended visa and they are all ok pay 2 k married or whatever ,,then you got 15 million MEXICANOS what do you do with them? how do you collect them? how ,,you become like nazi germany? just go from house to house? i cant see americanos doing it becase americanos have heart ,,hell i cant even see polic man doing it if he stopped someone  and thought he was ilegal i just cant see them saying anything,,since americanos are good people ingeneral ,,even in arizona i just cant see that thing work ,,it wont,,

there got to be a solution ,,maybe something in the form of ,,you give them z viza like offered not green card and they need to prove few things nd then after few years they get green card if leaned english and integrated to society ,,

you cant just keep them as shadows,,do you understand the desperate people when walk in hadows can become ticking bombs? look at the palastinian in isreal they were ticking bombs until irsreal built the fence ,,there got to be fence built no mattter how big and long it is ,,got to be fence and then somehow let the ones that inside ameircnaa stay and prove themselve for a while ,,there is no other way ,,trust me i cant stand them either especially not their gangs,,but there got to be some kind of solution from within and it is NOT the id ,,the id shoudl come after AFTER every one is documented to you start fresh and with no problems,,atleast most should be documented,,do you know how much 20 million is?? do you know how much 10 million is? its like some states around the world ,,you got a country within a country,,its a mess

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I see what you're saying and I understand every aspect of this situation.  In reality we will never EVER be able to get 20 million illegals out...no matter the race...By making it extremely difficult for them to live here, their home country will look like a much better option vs. staying in country where they virtually have no rights...They'll only stay on the shadows so long before they decide to pick up and leave.  And any business, for profit or non-profit found to be employing these people will be severely fined and subject to possible jail time...that is the CEO or owner of the business.

James Robson would only be fined IF he were able to stay in the country...If not, he would be deported without the fine.  Those that decide to live in the shadows and commit crimes will eventually be caught and jailed then deported upon completion of the sentence.  

We would not go from house-to-house and collect illegals, that would never work because of cost, manpower and international political ramifications...I understand they are ticking time bombs, and if they decide to explode, they will be delt with appropriately within our crappy justice system...then deported assuming they ever get a chance to leave prison.

We can't enforce anyone to learn English when we don't have the balls to establish a national language...And with everything being so PC, we will never establish a national language because we wouldn't want to offend anyone....which is bullshit...

What incentive do these people have to come out of the shadows to get this guest worker Visa or whatever it would be called?  They already take advantage of everything in our system?  What is going to compel them to expose themselves?  A guest worker card?  Unless it will guarantee them permanent residency it will never happen...Yes, I know the word is they just want to stay for a while then leave....So then why have the numbers astronomically increased over the past 15 years?  They aren't leaving.