9 out of 10 people in America thinks their diet are HEALTHY. LOL

[haider]

BMI = shit

so ure saying that americans in general are just more muscular, rather than fat, in general compared to other countries? 

must be all the hormones we ingest with our dairy and meat products..

[The Showstoppa]

Yes that is why I put in the (flawed) part genius.

It's shit for people with high muscle mass obviously but for the general unfit population it's not a bad simple metric for health.

Nah, still shit....genius.

[spinnis]

 

[Hulkotron]

Nah, still shit....genius.

So what are you arguing exactly then?  America does not actually have an obesity problem?

[The Showstoppa]

So what are you arguing exactly then?  America does not actually have an obesity problem?

No, it clearly does, but the BMI is a shitty gauge of anything.  That is my argument. 

[JOHN MATRIX]

the numbers are even more ridiculous than whats printed...in south and west texas the truth appears as follows:

80% of all people are overweight

75% of adults over 30 are overweight/obese

50% of kids are overweight

hispanic women over 30: 98% are Fat

its no wonder the article says they dont consider themselves fat...its because here they are just NORMAL

[The Showstoppa]

the numbers are even more ridiculous than whats printed...in south and west texas the truth appears as follows:

80% of all people are overweight

75% of adults over 30 are overweight/obese

50% of kids are overweight

hispanic women over 30: 98% are Fat

its no wonder the article says they dont consider themselves fat...its because here they are just NORMAL

Bingo.  When people only look around and see other fat people, they think "I'm not that bad"  Couple that with Oprah telling them they need a positive body image even if they are 100lbs overweight and you get massive delusion.

[Hulkotron]

No, it clearly does, but the BMI is a shitty gauge of anything.  That is my argument.  

So then the logic is:

(1) America has an obesity problem
(2) BMI, a method developed as a proxy for indexing body fat, indicates that America has an obesity problem
(3) Therefore BMI is a shitty gauge of obesity

I don't think you actually know anything about BMI.

[The Showstoppa]

So then the logic is:

(1) America has an obesity problem
(2) BMI, a method developed as a proxy for indexing body fat, indicates that America has an obesity problem
(3) Therefore BMI is a shitty gauge of obesity

I don't think you actually know anything about BMI.

I'm sure that after the better part of a decade in the fitness industry, I might know just a little.  My point is that the BMI is a shotty, misleading indicator of obesity and being overweight.  That has nothing to do with the US having an obesity problem.

Example someone who is 6ft tall and 190 is considered "overweight."     And you mention it only being accurate for those who don't work out vs fitness people.....well where do you draw the line? Completely sedentary people?  People who work out 2, 4, 6 times a week?  Etc.... 

[StickStickly]

I guess obesity is the new healthy...

Seriously though, these people are overweight because they overeat and have a sedentary lifestyle not because the foods they eat are unhealthy.

Well onlyme claims to be healthy and he is just about the msot obese fat ugly person i know. I guess it is easy to be in denial.

[dr.chimps]

Well onlyme claims to be healthy and he is just about the msot obese fat ugly person i know. I guess it is easy to be in denial.

Remind me not to have my BMI measured. 

[StickStickly]

Remind me not to have my BMI measured. 

BMI is partially a measure of beauty. Why do you think fat people are always ugly which would make onlyme one of the ugliest people in the world.

[Hulkotron]

I'm sure that after the better part of a decade in the fitness industry, I might know just a little.  My point is that the BMI is a shotty, misleading indicator of obesity and being overweight.  That has nothing to do with the US having an obesity problem.

Example someone who is 6ft tall and 190 is considered "overweight."    And you mention it only being accurate for those who don't work out vs fitness people.....well where do you draw the line? Completely sedentary people?  People who work out 2, 4, 6 times a week?  Etc....  

As I suspected you know nothing about BMI.  The metric was specifically developed for predicting body fat percentage as a function of body size in populations (i.e. large groups of people), not in individuals.  The original validation paper on it in the '70s in fact cautions against using it to assess individuals.  It is not at all a "shotty, misleading indicator" when it is used appropriately, as it is in the data I posted.  Criticizing the hammer when you need a screwdriver is not the fault of the hammer.  The only reason it has a bad rap is because of people in the "fitness industry" like you who use it inappropriately.

[The Showstoppa]

As I suspected you know nothing about BMI.  The metric was specifically developed for predicting body fat percentage as a function of body size in populations (i.e. large groups of people), not in individuals.  The original validation paper on it in the '70s in fact cautions against using it to assess individuals.  It is not at all a "shotty, misleading indicator" when it is used appropriately, as it is in the data I posted.  Criticizing the hammer when you need a screwdriver is not the fault of the hammer.

Like i said, garbage.  Using it to just make blanket statements about a sample size is plain misleading.  Furthermore, it's trumpeted by people in the medical industry as some type of indicator for the individual.  Do you work in the medical field?

[Hulkotron]

Like i said, garbage.  Using it to just make blanket statements about a sample size is plain misleading.  Furthermore, it's trumpeted by people in the medical industry as some type of indicator for the individual.  Do you work in the medical field?

You are far too close-minded, I'm not interested in discussing this any further.

[Option D]

i swear to god, i don't see this rampant obesity.  i realize i live in a metropolis, where physical appearance is important, and i do see fatties here and there, but nowhere near 2 out of 3. 

is it on the outskirts?  hick towns?  blacks?  OH...blacks...yeah they're fucking fat.

Texas

[The Showstoppa]

You are far too close-minded, I'm not interested in discussing this any further.

So you are in the medical field?   

And relax, chief.  Not so serious.  You think BMI is good, I don't, no big deal...

[Hulkotron]

So you are in the medical field?    

And relax, chief.  Not so serious.  You think BMI is good, I don't, no big deal...

I am not in the medical industry.  I am a research scientist and could care less if BMI is good or not.  You are the one making blanket statements.  The only reason you think it is not good is because you are uneducated about its appropriate uses and purposes.

No hard feelings though brosef

[The Showstoppa]

I am not in the medical industry.  I am a research scientist and could care less if BMI is good or not.  You are the one making blanket statements.  The only reason you think it is not good is because you are uneducated about its appropriate uses and purposes.

Great, so it's purpose is to tell the obesity rate in populations, except that why would it even allow individuals to input their data to determine "their" BMI, obesity, etc...?  Like i said, medical field loves to use it and trainers who don't know anything.  It's simple to use, so they use it.  Medical field is very ignorant in regards to REAL training and nutrition.

And the BMI still = shit   

[JOHN MATRIX]

BMI is irrelevant, doesnt change the FACT that a STAGGERING PERCENTAGE of americans (esp. in the south) are FAT AS HELL

[JP_RC]

I went to the US on vacation back in 2003, I didn't see that many obese people...maybe things have changed now.

[Hulkotron]

I went to the US on vacation back in 2003, I didn't see that many obese people...maybe things have changed now.

It tends to be concentrated in areas with low "socioeconomic" status, which are usually not very hot vacation destinations 

[JP_RC]

It tends to be concentrated in areas with low "socioeconomic" status, which are usually not very hot vacation destinations 

That was probably why then, I was in Florida.

[The Grim Lifter]

Here's some numbers.

Hawaii was the leanest until Onlyme moved there

[Hulkotron]

Hawaii was the leanest until Onlyme moved there

Haha, well played!

CA is one of the leaner west coast states as well, I think he moved from there.  Coincidence?