How do you see "intramuscular fat" ?

[Disgusted]

Some people are naturally far more striated than others .

I had striations in my delts when i was about twelve.

No not true at all. Like I said, some people have different patterns of striations, but all muscle is striated. If you can't see them anymore then lose some fat and or stop using insulin.

[Shockwave]

Refute this or  = I win.

You can see density. The difference between a "balloony" (think coleman 03) musculature vs a super dense rock hard (Dorian circa 95 or 96 GGP).

[Shockwave]

So Jay has been on insulin since day one?

You realize youre trying to argue with someone who is generally considered to be an expert and lives/eats bodybuilding for a long time right?
And you, a ignorant kid from Finland, is trying to argue? Why? (FYI I do like you Xerxes, I just dont understand why youre arguing with a credible source. (Jim/Disgusted)

[Jaime]

No not true at all. Like I said, some people have different patterns of striations, but all muscle is striated. If you can't see them anymore then lose some fat and or stop using insulin.

Very true, some people have far more prominent striations and a harder look to their muscles.

Compare a most muscular of Dorian to Ronnie. Ronnie is far more striated in the upperbody. This wasn't due to dorians conditioning, he was Mr. conditioning.

[Shockwave]

Re No Intramuscular fat

[Jaime]

You realize youre trying to argue with someone who is generally considered to be an expert and lives/eats bodybuilding for a long time right?
And you, a ignorant kid from Finland, is trying to argue? Why?

Expert in bodybuilding.

Haha a rather dubious honor.

[Disgusted]

So Jay has been on insulin since day one?

I am not sure when Jay started his insulin use, but you can see his physique change thru out the years.

[Shockwave]

No that is water IMO not "intermuscular fat", Dorian was way drier making him look hard as rock, density is a synonym to striations and dry and not a separate criteria IMO

Jim made it very obvious with the pic of phil vs Munzer. The muscular quality looks way different. Phil is still ripped, but he has the kind if IM fat that Munzer (and Dorian) didnt. The new look of the balloony quality muscle, thats IM fat vs. subcutaneous fat. The fat fills in the muscle and makes it takes away that 90's quality. I think this is what Jim is getting at.

[Shockwave]

He is dry as fuck much drier than Coleman, bu if density can only be judged by striations , is a bullshit term and not a separate criteria.

Density/Dryness go hand in hand in the judging criteria if I remember correctly.

[chaos]

LOL @ a bodybuilding thread being the hot topic on getbig tonight.

[chaos]

I deserve a medal for this 

Or a smack in the mouth.

[Disgusted]

LOL @ a bodybuilding thread being the hot topic on getbig tonight.

Yeah whoda thought? 

[chaos]

Yeah whoda thought? 

LOL

Outed. 

You're confusing a smack ( ) with a smack

[Firemuscle]

Now you're just being a bit too kinky, outed x2 

 Chaos wants to massage your balls with his hand like that.

[Firemuscle]

Imagination outed.

 Can I put two fingers in your ass to milk your prostate?

 I'll use olive oil for lube.

 No homo.

[chaos]

Nevermind Blackfag, he's gayer than having Elton John riding a unicorn across a rainbow tatooed across both buttcheeks.

[Firemuscle]

Nevermind Blackfag, he's gayer than having Elton John riding a unicorn across a rainbow tatooed across both buttcheeks.

 That ain't what you told me in the bathroom stall last week.

[Alex23]

Lol

[DK II]

We need FatPanda to clarify this.........someone PM him a link to this thread, he's blocked mine.

This thread is about "intramuscular fat", not about "somewhere in all the fat there should be some muscles, anywhere, at least i hope so".

[Flexb]

Density = thicker muscle
Dryness = lack of subcutaneous water
lean = very low bodyfat
shredded = very low bodyfat coupled with lack of sub water

 

[NarcissisticDeity]

So now density = thickness all of a sudden 

Fucking useless bullshit pseudoknowledge term

meltdown 

[225for70]

it's too soon for them to realize i'm a total closet case, i think

Your going to be on a reality TV show?

When is it going to be on TV?

[suckmymuscle]

So "density" has been an argument ND and co has used against Hulkster for years, this "density" turns out to be the level of "intramuscular fat" you have.

Can someone please explain to me how anyone can see someone elses "intramuscular fat" ?

This term sounds like bullshit, IMO it sounds like just another adjective for someone who is both ripped and really dry.

  Density can best be defined as the amount of space between muscular fibers. The smaller the space, the greater the density. The less fat you have between muscle fibers, the more muscle fibers you have in a given volume and the greater the muscular density.

  If you are asking me to define by what visual criteria we should evaluate density, then I cannot do it because I cannot describe it using mere words. It is something apparent to the eyes, but hard to define verbally. The best I can do is that a muscle that is dense looks "packed". When a muscle is not dense you can see the individual fibers because there is a big space between them. But when the muscle is dense, you just see a block of muscle and can't see individual fibers. This is the best I can do. Sorry. Language is not descriptive and precise enough to describe visual things. Try asking an artist to describe the beauty of the Mona Lisa. He cannot.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Shockwave]

Posted this in the Ronnie thread too.

IMHO - The term Hardness/Density (the way its used in the BB industry) is a way to describe the lack of fat in the muscle itself, that give it that puffy balloon look. Its a completely different term than traditional subcutaneous fat, because that just alows you to see the separation between muscle groups.
Todays competitors get shredded, but for whatever reason (Insulin IMHO), they dont get that super dense rock hard look of the 90's, and that is IM fat, not SC fat. See? Density/Hardness is a term to describe that effect.
In there quest to come in at the highest bodyweight no matter what, or maybe due to too much bulking they wind up not dieting off the fat that accumulates inside the muscle itself. It seems to happen rather quickly (In terms of careers length) now, where as it didnt happen to the old competitors until very late in their career. It seems like the only logical explanation is insulin, as that is the only drug that is well known to have blown up from then to now.

[johnnynoname]

Your going to be on a reality TV show?

When is it going to be on TV?

nothing yet amigo

my problem is i'm starting to get some "self worth/self esteem" so I may not need to validate myself by doing a vapid reality show and, instead, focus on getting legitmate acting work