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We cannot walk away from this one.

We cannot blame one nutjob for the shooting of 19 people Saturday in Tucson, Ariz., and wash our hands of it.

We cannot pretend that this is only about him and not about us.

Worst of all, we cannot say we were not warned.

For more than two years, sensible people have been pleading with their fellow Americans to tone down the rhetoric, to quit with the demonizing, to end the fear-mongering.

In what kind of country, the sensible people asked, do political leaders across the board not condemn a sign at a rally that reads: “We left our guns at home — this time”?

In what kind of country do people show up at presidential speeches with guns on their hips?

In what kind of a country do callers to radio shows routinely smear those with whom they disagree — beginning with our president — as “traitors” and “un-American,” while pandering hosts say only, “Thanks for the call.”

If we continue this way, the sensible people warned, something will happen.

And now something has happened.

U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, an Arizona Democrat, was meeting with constituents outside a supermarket Saturday — a “Congress on Your Corner” event — when a young man walked up, aimed a gun at her head and started shooting.

As we wrote this, Giffords was fighting for her life in a Tucson hospital. Six people were dead. Twelve others were wounded.

What drove the killer, who police say might have had an accomplice? Was it the reckless rhetoric of our times? As of yet, we don’t know. Maybe, though improbably, politics had nothing to do with this.

Only in time will we know if the killer was among those who threatened Giffords with physical harm last year when she voted in favor of President Obama’s health-care reforms. We may never know whether he was the one who shattered the windows of her Tucson office. And it’s entirely possible that he was not among those — the many — who threatened her with death after she spoke out against Arizona’s harsh new immigration law.

But would any intelligent person be surprised to learn otherwise?

The safe observation for us to make now — you will hear it from others all week — is that the angry and irresponsible talk that might lead an unhinged person to pick up a gun is common across the political landscape, from right to left.

But that simply is not true.

Overwhelmingly today, the fear-mongering and demonizing flow from the right, aided and abetted by cable TV and talk-radio hosts. They may represent only the irresponsible fringe of conservatism in America, but they are drowning out the thoughtful voices of the vast majority of conservatives.

Giffords, as she showed by meeting constituents outside that supermarket, dared to believe that Americans can disagree with each other without turning on each other.

Maybe that was a mistake.
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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2011, 06:26:10 PM »
lol more idiocy from you and your ilk...

do you condemn obama for his hate speech danny?

how about pelosi?

gracen?

any of the left?

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2011, 06:27:19 PM »
Was Virgina warned before the V Tech shooter did his act?


How moronic are you people?   

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2011, 06:32:07 PM »
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/jared-loughners-behavior-recor.html?hpid=topnews


Wake up you fool.  This guy was a mentally deranged freak show. 

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2011, 06:54:11 PM »
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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2011, 07:32:41 PM »
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those are targets, not rifle scope crosshairs.  dems only use suction cup darts :D

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2011, 08:58:24 PM »
rifle scope crosshairs...


sweet jeebus... WTF was she thinking?  Let's give tingles to the gun nuts?  Fvck.  I carry and own more guns than 90% of the "conservatives" on this place (33 has tons more, of course)....  so they can suck me if they wanna try calling rank on gun rights....

but that Crosshairs with "reload, not retreat".... and KEEPING it up after it was criticized... that was just an asinine decision.  Just plain stupid.  I look at potential candidates like Newt, Mitt, Thune... they just don't seem to do boneheaded shit like that.


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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2011, 09:24:51 PM »
rifle scope crosshairs...


sweet jeebus... WTF was she thinking?  Let's give tingles to the gun nuts?  Fvck.  I carry and own more guns than 90% of the "conservatives" on this place (33 has tons more, of course)....  so they can suck me if they wanna try calling rank on gun rights....

but that Crosshairs with "reload, not retreat".... and KEEPING it up after it was criticized... that was just an asinine decision.  Just plain stupid.  I look at potential candidates like Newt, Mitt, Thune... they just don't seem to do boneheaded shit like that.



Question is why did she have the chart taken down right after the shooting...I thought those were only surveyor's symbol... ;) so there should not have been any problem there.
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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2011, 09:30:03 PM »
Democrats gave us the first warning signs for sure.

2004:



2009:



Eerily similar. Of course I don't expect the gestapo-fleeing leftists like Danny to admit that.

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2011, 09:33:06 PM »
lol more idiocy from you and your ilk...

do you condemn obama for his hate speech danny?

how about pelosi?

gracen?

any of the left?
bump for an answer danny...

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2011, 09:34:47 PM »
Dems shouldn't have put that up.

Your palin example left off the 20 NAMES she included on her list.  BIG diff there dude. 

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2011, 09:36:53 PM »
bump for an answer danny...

 let me be as clear as I can. I don't give a shit if your a leftist or rightist. Instigating violence against government or politicians is not acceptable in society like ours.
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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2011, 09:39:37 PM »
let me be as clear as I can. I don't give a shit if your a leftist or rightist. Instigating violence against government or politicians is not acceptable in society like ours.
would be great if you guys actually came out against all of it then, instead of posting articles just condemning palin...

havent seen one article condemning obama yet, any of you guys?

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2011, 09:44:38 PM »
"Surveor's (transit) crosshairs????" Of all the galldurn BS. They really gotta be kidding if they think any intelligent, sentient lifeform could believe that crapitola. Since when do surveyors "fire" "vollies", "salvos or "lock and load" and worry about "retreating?"

(from RS)

I sure haven't seen any pics of Palin posing with surveyor tools.  Nor was this surveyor angle ever mentioned when the ad took heavy criticism a few months back.

it's a very thin lie, and it should embarass us all to have heard it.  I think some here may defend palin, which is fine - but I'd love to hear ANY getbigger say he/she truly believes palin was talking about surveying.

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2011, 09:45:02 PM »
Democrats gave us the first warning signs for sure.

2004:



2009:



Eerily similar. Of course I don't expect the gestapo-fleeing leftists like Danny to admit that.
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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2011, 09:46:03 PM »
were there any NAMES of people on Bush's list?  No.
Were there 20 people on Palin's list?  Yes?

Sad.  FOX cut away from vigil coverage when palin's name came up.  Un-be-fvcking-lievable.

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2011, 09:47:18 PM »
were there any NAMES of people on Bush's list?  No.
Were there 20 people on Palin's list?  Yes?

Sad.  FOX cut away from vigil coverage when palin's name came up.  Un-be-fvcking-lievable.

Palin: "don't retreat, instead- RELOAD!"

Jesse Kelly (Gifford's tea party opponent): "Get on target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly."

Michael Savage: "Only vigilance and resistance to this baby dictator, Barack Hussein Obama, can prevent the Khmer Rouge from appearing in this country"

Erick Ericksson: "At what point do the people ... march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp?"

Sharron Angel: "If this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies."

Joyce Kaufman: "If ballots don't work, bullets will."

Michelle Bachmann: "Be armed and dangerous"
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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2011, 09:47:40 PM »
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Congresswoman Gifford was Jewish...shooter didn't care for Jews.

The shooter worked for her campaign.....twice.


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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2011, 09:50:05 PM »
would be great if you guys actually came out against all of it then, instead of posting articles just condemning palin...

havent seen one article condemning obama yet, any of you guys?
bump from an answer from any of you guys
 
in the light of this shooting and the condemnation that has taken place has anyone seen an article condemning obama for his own involvment?

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2011, 09:50:10 PM »
The shooter worked for her campaign.....twice.


And then shot her in the head.
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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2011, 09:51:59 PM »
The shooter worked for her campaign.....twice.


i wonder if that was before or after he read mein kampf and added it to his favored book list?

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2011, 09:52:29 PM »
Palin: "don't retreat, instead- RELOAD!"

Palin also called for illegal retaliation against Julian Assange
 And she called for the illegal kidnapping of Wikileaks people.

I guess I don't understand why Palin pulled the Surveyor's map from her website immediately after the shooting.

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2011, 09:53:49 PM »
i wonder if that was before or after he read mein kampf and added it to his favored book list?

I wonder if it has anything to do with her voting against Pelosi's election as minority leader less than a month ago. This guy reeks of scorned liberal who went after his moderate congressman because she wasn't liberal enough.

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2011, 09:53:58 PM »
Don't forget Tom Perriello, another of Sarah's "targets."
 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34934.html

"Law enforcement authorities are investigating the discovery of a cut propane gas line at the Virginia home of Rep. Thomas Perriello’s (D-Va.) brother, whose address was targeted by tea party activists angry at the congressman’s vote for the health care bill.

An aide to the congressman confirmed to POLITICO that a line to a propane tank behind his brother's home near Charlottesville had been sliced. "

"POLITICO reported on Monday that Mike Troxel, an organizer for the Lynchburg Tea Party, posted on his blog what he thought was the congressman’s address, encouraging tea party activists to “drop by.”"


This was the guy who's supposed home address was posted on the website of some local teabagger nut, but it turned out to be his brother's.

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Re: We can’t say we weren’t warned about Arizona shooting tragedy
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2011, 09:54:18 PM »
http://www.suntimes.com/opinions/3220146-474/giffords-cannot-tucson-ariz-saturday.html

We cannot walk away from this one.

We cannot blame one nutjob for the shooting of 19 people Saturday in Tucson, Ariz., and wash our hands of it.

We cannot pretend that this is only about him and not about us.

Worst of all, we cannot say we were not warned.

For more than two years, sensible people have been pleading with their fellow Americans to tone down the rhetoric, to quit with the demonizing, to end the fear-mongering.

In what kind of country, the sensible people asked, do political leaders across the board not condemn a sign at a rally that reads: “We left our guns at home — this time”?

In what kind of country do people show up at presidential speeches with guns on their hips?

In what kind of a country do callers to radio shows routinely smear those with whom they disagree — beginning with our president — as “traitors” and “un-American,” while pandering hosts say only, “Thanks for the call.”

If we continue this way, the sensible people warned, something will happen.

And now something has happened.

U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, an Arizona Democrat, was meeting with constituents outside a supermarket Saturday — a “Congress on Your Corner” event — when a young man walked up, aimed a gun at her head and started shooting.

As we wrote this, Giffords was fighting for her life in a Tucson hospital. Six people were dead. Twelve others were wounded.

What drove the killer, who police say might have had an accomplice? Was it the reckless rhetoric of our times? As of yet, we don’t know. Maybe, though improbably, politics had nothing to do with this.

Only in time will we know if the killer was among those who threatened Giffords with physical harm last year when she voted in favor of President Obama’s health-care reforms. We may never know whether he was the one who shattered the windows of her Tucson office. And it’s entirely possible that he was not among those — the many — who threatened her with death after she spoke out against Arizona’s harsh new immigration law.

But would any intelligent person be surprised to learn otherwise?

The safe observation for us to make now — you will hear it from others all week — is that the angry and irresponsible talk that might lead an unhinged person to pick up a gun is common across the political landscape, from right to left.

But that simply is not true.

Overwhelmingly today, the fear-mongering and demonizing flow from the right, aided and abetted by cable TV and talk-radio hosts. They may represent only the irresponsible fringe of conservatism in America, but they are drowning out the thoughtful voices of the vast majority of conservatives.

Giffords, as she showed by meeting constituents outside that supermarket, dared to believe that Americans can disagree with each other without turning on each other.

Maybe that was a mistake.

The person who wrote that drivel is atleast half way as sick as the shooter.
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