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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2011, 02:16:06 PM »
schooled how

I asked for a source and still haven't gotten it yet

I know right wingers are like an echo chamber and one person write some nonsense and then you all pass it around like it's a fact

I shouldn't have to repeatedly ask for someone to provide a source of something they post

i always provide a source and if I don't I do when someone asks

Right wingers? I'm a registered independent. I'd like to vote democrat but unfortunately that party has been hijacked by extremists like yourself, Pelosi and Reid. Any moderate democrats have sadly been silenced by whack jobs like yourself.

Let me walk you through doing diligent research. Take one of the quotes and type it into Google. It will confirm whether it was said or not.

no thanks

I'll assume it's bullshit unless you care to share your source



Do you think I care? I'll put it nicely; ever since that George Washington debacle of yours, you've been nothing but a running joke for me. Just a stupid and misinformed far-left extremist who doesn't know dick and who also can't admit he's wrong.

You're good for the comedy, though.

But you bruised my ego. Really. LOL.

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2011, 02:18:24 PM »
June 14, 2008, 1:29 PM ET
Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’.
Article Comments (251) Washington Wire HOME   By WSJ Staff



[Editor's note: This blog post was published in 2008. In the wake of Saturday’s shooting rampage in Tucson, Ariz., a number of lawmakers and others have called for toning down the political rhetoric and President Barack Obama led a moment of silence this morning for the victims. Click here and here for more. Also, check back with Washington Wire for updates.]

Amy Chozick reports on the presidential race from Philadelphia.

Mobster wisdom tells us never to bring a knife to a gun fight. But what does political wisdom say about bringing a gun to a knife fight?

That’s exactly what Barack Obama said he would do to counter Republican attacks “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”



Sen. Barack Obama talks at a town hall meeting at Radnor Middle School in Wayne, Pa., Saturday, June 14. (AP)The comment drew some laughs and applause. But it also struck a chord with his Republican rival. John McCain’s campaign immediately accused the Democratic candidate of playing the politics of fear. They also mentioned that Obama said he would use a gun that would be illegal under Obama’s plans to cut down on illegal firearms.

“Barack Obama’s call for ‘new politics’ is officially over. In just 24 hours, Barack Obama attacked one of America’s pioneering women CEOs, rejected a series of joint bipartisan town halls, and said that if there’s a political knife fight, he’d bring a gun,” McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds said in a statement.

Obama made the comment in the context of warning donors that the general election campaign against McCain could get ugly. “They’re going to try to scare people. They’re going to try to say that ‘that Obama is a scary guy,’” he said. A supporter yelled out a deep accented “Don’t give in!”

“I won’t but that sounded pretty scary. You’re a tough guy,” Obama said.


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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2011, 02:19:36 PM »
Im bumping the threads with this stuff.   

Once again - Mal & Straw get schooled.   

explain how i got schooled

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2011, 02:20:31 PM »
Im bumping the threads with this stuff.   

Once again - Mal & Straw get schooled.   

Straw Man consistently goes above and beyond in proving just how stupid he is. It's laughable.

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2011, 02:21:47 PM »
Straw Man consistently goes above and beyond in proving just how stupid he is. It's laughable.

I feel all that.. but how did i get schooled. What defines "schooled" and how do i fall into that category

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2011, 02:22:11 PM »
explain how i got schooled

First off - you didnt even know these quotes existed - ignorance on your part since they have been posted endless times.  

Second - you keep doubting BF on this - now the statements are all sourced.  

BF does not have a bad track record on this.  

    

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2011, 02:22:25 PM »
I guess vides, The Hill.Com, etc are not enough for you.    ::)  ::)




give me the link to where it is on thehill.com

I tried to verify one quote:  “I am going to strangle all Republicans who don’t agree with me politically”

and all I can find is that same list on various right wing sites.  No source to the actual quote.

A quote from Biden should be pretty easy to find if it's true

Can you find the actual source of the quote and not just another right wing website reprinting the same list with no sources

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2011, 02:24:39 PM »
Right wingers? I'm a registered independent. I'd like to vote democrat but unfortunately that party has been hijacked by extremists like yourself, Pelosi and Reid. Any moderate democrats have sadly been silenced by whack jobs like yourself.

Let me walk you through doing diligent research. Take one of the quotes and type it into Google. It will confirm whether it was said or not.

Do you think I care? I'll put it nicely; ever since that George Washington debacle of yours, you've been nothing but a running joke for me. Just a stupid and misinformed far-left extremist who doesn't know dick and who also can't admit he's wrong.

You're good for the comedy, though.

But you bruised my ego. Really. LOL.


I did  - see my post below

I have no vested interest whether these quotes are true or false

I'm not the one who posted them

the Biden quote seems so outrageous that I thought it would be easy to find but no luck

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2011, 02:25:02 PM »
give me the link to where it is on thehill.com

I tried to verify one quote:  “I am going to strangle all Republicans who don’t agree with me politically”

and all I can find is that same list on various right wing sites.  No source to the actual quote.

A quote from Biden should be pretty easy to find if it's true

Can you find the actual source of the quote and not just another right wing website reprinting the same list with no sources

I just found it on the Daily Kos (a left-wing site) within 10 seconds of Googling it. Try harder.

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2011, 02:25:32 PM »
First off - you didnt even know these quotes existed - ignorance on your part since they have been posted endless times.  

Second - you keep doubting BF on this - now the statements are all sourced.  

BF does not have a bad track record on this.  

    

lol wow... reaching there..,muchacho...

Who said i didnt think these quotes existed.. you said obama does x and then post a lot of pictures of someone else doing x. and i never commented on bf,s quotes.. so you pretty much just pulled shit out of the sky as usual

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2011, 02:26:28 PM »
First off - you didnt even know these quotes existed - ignorance on your part since they have been posted endless times.  

Second - you keep doubting BF on this - now the statements are all sourced.  

BF does not have a bad track record on this.  

    
Oh and i know bf dosent have a bad track record..only one with a bad track record is you

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2011, 02:26:34 PM »
Pelosi, Rahm do not scare Rep. DeFazio
By Walter Alarkon - 12/18/09 06:00 AM ET
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Rep. Peter DeFazio’s phone rang. On the other end was Rahm Emanuel.

________________________ ________________________ _______________________

The White House chief of staff last month expressed frustration with DeFazio’s resignation calls for President Barack Obama’s top two economic aides — Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and White House chief economist Larry Summers — and appealed for cooperation, according to DeFazio.

But Emanuel, known for his blunt manner and ability to bend members of his party to his will, did not raise his voice with the Oregon Democrat.

“Rahm does not yell at me,” DeFazio said, “because he knows that I yell back.”

Others are learning that DeFazio, who has served in the House since 1987 and describes himself as a “progressive populist,” is not easily intimidated. He has emerged in recent months as one of the most vocal liberal critics of the Obama administration, blasting the president’s team for not getting tough enough with Wall Street. He’s also taken on his own party for failing to move left-leaning legislation through the Congress.

Personal calls from Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and former Vice President Al Gore couldn’t persuade him to vote for the Speaker’s climate change bill. He also opposed the $787 billion stimulus, citing concerns that only 7 percent was devoted to infrastructure spending.

DeFazio was one of only two Democrats to vote against those measures and the $700 billion bank bailout. (The other was Rep. Gene Taylor (D-Miss.) a Blue Dog conservative.)

Yet he’s also a pro-gun Democrat who has a B rating from the National Rifle Association.

“I would have less of a voice and I would have less respect if I voted for things I didn’t believe in because of pressure from the leadership,” DeFazio told The Hill in an interview.

Obama himself has taken notice.

“Don’t think we’re not keeping score, brother,” Obama told DeFazio during a closed-door meeting of the House Democratic Caucus, according to members afterward.[/b]

But poking a stick at those in power is what DeFazio does.

He gives partial credit for his special brand of liberalism to having worked at a country club as a teenager. Each summer, his father ran a camp for troubled inner-city kids on Cape Cod, where they caddied for golfers at a country club. DeFazio would work alongside the kids.

“They were servants for the rich, as was I,” he said. “I shagged golf balls for rich people. I carried golf clubs for rich people, and I learned very early on, when I was pretty young, that this was a group of people that had nothing special to offer to me or to society.”

His populism has played well back home. DeFazio won his 2008 election with 82 percent of the vote, even though his district isn’t overwhelmingly Democratic. Obama won it by 11 percentage points, but President George W. Bush won nearly as many votes as Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) in 2004.

“He is incredibly popular in a district that is actually somewhat difficult for a Democrat,” said Rep. David Wu (D-Ore.), who says DeFazio does it by standing up for his beliefs.

DeFazio has been a leading liberal voice complaining that the Democratic Congress and White House have failed to capitalize on significant victories in last year’s elections. His latest target is the Senate, where he says Democrats’ struggle to move healthcare legislation is preventing the Congress from sending a job-creation bill to the president’s desk. With the unemployment rate at 10 percent, House Democrats see jobs as the No. 1 campaign issue heading into the midterm election year.

“It’s just incredible frustration,” DeFazio said. “The killing ground of the Senate is ultimately, potentially, the killing ground of the Democratic Party.”

DeFazio and other House Democrats led what he called a “revolt” at a caucus meeting several weeks ago. Though Democratic leaders called the meeting to discuss the president’s decision to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, rank-and-file members began talking instead about jobs.

DeFazio stood up and called for attaching a new job-creation bill to the annual defense-spending measure, which typically gets bipartisan support and is considered must-pass legislation. His speech and others in favor of a new jobs bill drew cheers from colleagues, said House Democratic Caucus Chairman John Larson (Conn.).

DeFazio has spent most of his time over the past year pushing for the $500 billion, six-year transportation reauthorization bill. DeFazio, the chairman of the House Highways and Transit subcommittee, has argued infrastructure could lead to far more jobs and have a much more lasting impact than tax cuts or other stimulus spending. While Pelosi has thrown her support behind the bill, sponsored by House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman Jim Oberstar (D-Minn.), the Senate and the White House, reluctant to raise the gas tax or other levies to pay for the bill, have said that it should be taken up next year.


DeFazio wants to tax Wall Street to help pay for the programs. Specifically, he wants a tax on financial transactions, which economists have said could generate $150 billion. Though Geithner has opposed it, DeFazio is holding out hope that Obama will find ways to get tougher on Wall Street.

He praised the president this week for dialing up his criticism of Wall Street bankers and the bonuses they’re expected to receive, just months after receiving billions in federal bailout dollars.

“That was one good speech by the president, but he’s got to mean it, he’s got to live it, he’s got to do it every day,” DeFazio said. “And these are tough people; these are the most powerful people in the world. They seem to control a majority of his economic team.”

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2011, 02:26:37 PM »
First off - you didnt even know these quotes existed - ignorance on your part since they have been posted endless times.  

Second - you keep doubting BF on this - now the statements are all sourced.  

BF does not have a bad track record on this.  

    

unlike you I don't spend my life on GB.com nor do I commit every post to memory

I asked BF for his source last night and he couldn't/wouldn't do it

I asked today and got the same bullshit

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2011, 02:27:26 PM »
Why are the right wingers in such 'panic' mode right now?   ???

Oh wait it has something to do with Palin posting gun sights on a candidate that actually gets shot.  I get it, protecting Palin.  Pretty pathetic really.

Abandon every hope...

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2011, 02:28:28 PM »
Pelosi, Rahm do not scare Rep. DeFazio
By Walter Alarkon - 12/18/09 06:00 AM ET
www.thehill.com



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Rep. Peter DeFazio’s phone rang. On the other end was Rahm Emanuel.

________________________ ________________________ _______________________

The White House chief of staff last month expressed frustration with DeFazio’s resignation calls for President Barack Obama’s top two economic aides — Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and White House chief economist Larry Summers — and appealed for cooperation, according to DeFazio.

But Emanuel, known for his blunt manner and ability to bend members of his party to his will, did not raise his voice with the Oregon Democrat.

“Rahm does not yell at me,” DeFazio said, “because he knows that I yell back.”

Others are learning that DeFazio, who has served in the House since 1987 and describes himself as a “progressive populist,” is not easily intimidated. He has emerged in recent months as one of the most vocal liberal critics of the Obama administration, blasting the president’s team for not getting tough enough with Wall Street. He’s also taken on his own party for failing to move left-leaning legislation through the Congress.

Personal calls from Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and former Vice President Al Gore couldn’t persuade him to vote for the Speaker’s climate change bill. He also opposed the $787 billion stimulus, citing concerns that only 7 percent was devoted to infrastructure spending.

DeFazio was one of only two Democrats to vote against those measures and the $700 billion bank bailout. (The other was Rep. Gene Taylor (D-Miss.) a Blue Dog conservative.)

Yet he’s also a pro-gun Democrat who has a B rating from the National Rifle Association.

“I would have less of a voice and I would have less respect if I voted for things I didn’t believe in because of pressure from the leadership,” DeFazio told The Hill in an interview.

Obama himself has taken notice.

“Don’t think we’re not keeping score, brother,” Obama told DeFazio during a closed-door meeting of the House Democratic Caucus, according to members afterward.[/b]

But poking a stick at those in power is what DeFazio does.

He gives partial credit for his special brand of liberalism to having worked at a country club as a teenager. Each summer, his father ran a camp for troubled inner-city kids on Cape Cod, where they caddied for golfers at a country club. DeFazio would work alongside the kids.

“They were servants for the rich, as was I,” he said. “I shagged golf balls for rich people. I carried golf clubs for rich people, and I learned very early on, when I was pretty young, that this was a group of people that had nothing special to offer to me or to society.”

His populism has played well back home. DeFazio won his 2008 election with 82 percent of the vote, even though his district isn’t overwhelmingly Democratic. Obama won it by 11 percentage points, but President George W. Bush won nearly as many votes as Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) in 2004.

“He is incredibly popular in a district that is actually somewhat difficult for a Democrat,” said Rep. David Wu (D-Ore.), who says DeFazio does it by standing up for his beliefs.

DeFazio has been a leading liberal voice complaining that the Democratic Congress and White House have failed to capitalize on significant victories in last year’s elections. His latest target is the Senate, where he says Democrats’ struggle to move healthcare legislation is preventing the Congress from sending a job-creation bill to the president’s desk. With the unemployment rate at 10 percent, House Democrats see jobs as the No. 1 campaign issue heading into the midterm election year.

“It’s just incredible frustration,” DeFazio said. “The killing ground of the Senate is ultimately, potentially, the killing ground of the Democratic Party.”

DeFazio and other House Democrats led what he called a “revolt” at a caucus meeting several weeks ago. Though Democratic leaders called the meeting to discuss the president’s decision to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan, rank-and-file members began talking instead about jobs.

DeFazio stood up and called for attaching a new job-creation bill to the annual defense-spending measure, which typically gets bipartisan support and is considered must-pass legislation. His speech and others in favor of a new jobs bill drew cheers from colleagues, said House Democratic Caucus Chairman John Larson (Conn.).

DeFazio has spent most of his time over the past year pushing for the $500 billion, six-year transportation reauthorization bill. DeFazio, the chairman of the House Highways and Transit subcommittee, has argued infrastructure could lead to far more jobs and have a much more lasting impact than tax cuts or other stimulus spending. While Pelosi has thrown her support behind the bill, sponsored by House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman Jim Oberstar (D-Minn.), the Senate and the White House, reluctant to raise the gas tax or other levies to pay for the bill, have said that it should be taken up next year.


DeFazio wants to tax Wall Street to help pay for the programs. Specifically, he wants a tax on financial transactions, which economists have said could generate $150 billion. Though Geithner has opposed it, DeFazio is holding out hope that Obama will find ways to get tougher on Wall Street.

He praised the president this week for dialing up his criticism of Wall Street bankers and the bonuses they’re expected to receive, just months after receiving billions in federal bailout dollars.

“That was one good speech by the president, but he’s got to mean it, he’s got to live it, he’s got to do it every day,” DeFazio said. “And these are tough people; these are the most powerful people in the world. They seem to control a majority of his economic team.”


which quote is this for?

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2011, 02:28:46 PM »
Why are the right wingers in such 'panic' mode right now?   ???

Oh wait it has something to do with Palin posting gun sights on a candidate that actually gets shot.  I get it, protecting Palin.  Pretty pathetic really.



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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2011, 02:32:18 PM »
I just found it on the Daily Kos (a left-wing site) within 10 seconds of Googling it. Try harder.

cool - why didn't you post the link

Like I already said - I can find the list on MANY different sites

what I can't find is the source of for specific quotes.

I pulled the Biden quote because it seems outrageous and should be easy to find

I can't find it but if you can why don't you do me a favor and post a link

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2011, 02:34:56 PM »
Yet he’s also a pro-gun Democrat who has a B rating from the National Rifle Association.

“I would have less of a voice and I would have less respect if I voted for things I didn’t believe in because of pressure from the leadership,” DeFazio told The Hill in an interview.

Obama himself has taken notice.

“Don’t think we’re not keeping score, brother,” Obama told DeFazio during a closed-door meeting of the House Democratic Caucus, according to members afterward.[/b]
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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2011, 02:39:17 PM »
cool - why didn't you post the link

Like I already said - I can find the list on MANY different sites

what I can't find is the source of for specific quotes.

I pulled the Biden quote because it seems outrageous and should be easy to find

I can't find it but if you can why don't you do me a favor and post a link

Why didn't I? Because I'm enjoying myself more watching you flail around like a moron trying to build a case for me falsifying these quotes.

Carry on looking for the "doison" websites out there.  :-X

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2011, 02:39:22 PM »
Yet he’s also a pro-gun Democrat who has a B rating from the National Rifle Association.

“I would have less of a voice and I would have less respect if I voted for things I didn’t believe in because of pressure from the leadership,” DeFazio told The Hill in an interview.

Obama himself has taken notice.

“Don’t think we’re not keeping score, brother,” Obama told DeFazio during a closed-door meeting of the House Democratic Caucus, according to members afterward.[/b]
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that what you call a quote?

that's not a quote from Obama anyway

I really have no problem with that particular out of context statement but it's not a quote from Obama

what else do you have?

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2011, 02:40:26 PM »
Why didn't I? Because I'm enjoying myself more watching you flail around like a moron trying to build a case for me falsifying these quotes.

Carry on looking for the "doison" websites out there.  :-X

by flailing you must mean pointing out that you posted a list of quotes that you are unable to source or prove are legitimate


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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2011, 02:41:25 PM »
that what you call a quote?

that's not a quote from Obama anyway

I really have no problem with that particular out of context statement but it's not a quote from Obama

what else do you have?

You seem to think that you're some sort of celebrity on here. Most people do their own research when they want to refute someone. Are you special? I know you're "special" but I'm curious if you feel the same way.
by flailing you must mean pointing out that you posted a list of quotes that you are unable to source or prove are legitimate



333 has been proving that they're all legitimate. How about you prove that they're not.  :)

He's being nice doing the research you should be doing. I'm not going to do the same.

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2011, 02:41:48 PM »
that what you call a quote?

that's not a quote from Obama anyway

I really have no problem with that particular out of context statement but it's not a quote from Obama

what else do you have?


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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2011, 02:42:48 PM »

 ::)  ::)

Straw - were you on the OJ Jury? 

He's just a sickeningly stupid individual. Remember the George Washington thread? Or his pro-Jerry Brown stance, despite the fact he had no idea whatsoever what platforms Jerry Brown was running on. He's a Bay Area liberal moron.

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Re: Hateful rhetoric...
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2011, 02:43:24 PM »
James Carville Hints at Riots If Obama Loses Election
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Posted on Monday, January 10, 2011 5:33:58 PM

In last night's post-debate analysis on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360, James Carville proclaimed that Barack Obama will be the slam dunk winner of the election in November. However, he followed up by hinting at riots if Obama were to lose. Here is the transcript of the discussion. First David Gergen keeps bringing up the race factor as an excuse for a possible Obama loss (emphasis mine):


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