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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2011, 07:30:50 AM »
Are you referring to the USSR during Stalin's regime?

One of many examples
China/MAO
Germany/Hitler
Cambodia/Pol Pot
Vietnam/Ho Chi Minh

What do they have in common? Communist or Socialist/Fascist
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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2011, 07:37:28 AM »
One of many examples
China/MAO
Germany/Hitler
Cambodia/Pol Pot
Vietnam/Ho Chi Minh

What do they have in common? Communist or Socialist/Fascist

Communist/Socialist and Fascist is pretty different actually.
And putting the pussies we have on the left in the same column as Communist russians and Nazi germans? Come on that shit doesnt fly and you know it

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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2011, 07:40:47 AM »
Are you referring to the USSR during Stalins regime?

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Khmer Rouge
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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2011, 07:41:17 AM »
Communist/Socialist and Fascist is pretty different actually.
And putting the pussies we have on the left in the same column as Communist russians and Nazi germans? Come on that shit doesnt fly and you know it

All left on the political spectrum, what do you think would happen if those in power had absolute unchallenged power?
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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2011, 08:58:13 AM »
Dumb article.



“Don’t you think we’re not keeping score, brother” – Chairman Obama

“Bring it on”- Obama Regime to The American People.

“Get ready for hand-to-hand combat with your fellow Americans” – Obama

“I want all Americans to get in each others faces! – Obama

“You bring a knife to a fight pal, we’ll bring a gun” – Obama

"Republicans are our enemies"--Obama

“I am going to strangle all Republicans who don’t agree with me politically”
– 5 Time Draft Dodger Biden

“the Cambridge Police acted Stupidly” ” – Beer Summit Gaffe Leader Obama

Last but not least the Democratic map with Republican targets on it. -- DNC

“God Damn America” – Barrack Hussein Obama’s Spiritual Advisor

“We should rip the heart right out of the chest of a former Vice President of The United States!”
– Left Wing Hate Hero And Agitator for Leftist Terrorism – Shultz


Yep, Obama challenged the Republicans to bring it on. Well, they did and they slapped the taste of his mouth and those of his fellow Dems.

The "Drinking w/Bob" guy said it best. After midterms, Obama looked like a kid who saw his overweight parents having sex.


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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2011, 09:00:22 AM »
The liberals/leftists have gotten away with this crap for so long, they simply are not prepared for people fighting back against their crap.

This latest episode is a perfect example.   

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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2011, 10:03:35 AM »
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The charlatans' response to the Tucson tragedy
By George F. Will
Tuesday, January 11, 2011

It would be merciful if, when tragedies such as Tucson's occur, there were a moratorium on sociology. But respites from half-baked explanations, often serving political opportunism, are impossible because of a timeless human craving and a characteristic of many modern minds.

The craving is for banishing randomness and the inexplicable from human experience. Time was, the gods were useful. What is thunder? The gods are angry. Polytheism was explanatory. People postulated causations.

And still do. Hence: The Tucson shooter was (pick your verb) provoked, triggered, unhinged by today's (pick your noun) rhetoric, vitriol, extremism, "climate of hate."

Demystification of the world opened the way for real science, including the social sciences. And for a modern characteristic. And for charlatans.

A characteristic of many contemporary minds is susceptibility to the superstition that all behavior can be traced to some diagnosable frame of mind that is a product of promptings from the social environment. From which flows a political doctrine: Given clever social engineering, society and people can be perfected. This supposedly is the path to progress. It actually is the crux of progressivism. And it is why there is a reflex to blame conservatives first.

Instead, imagine a continuum from the rampages at Columbine and Virginia Tech - the results of individuals' insanities - to the assassinations of Lincoln and the Kennedy brothers, which were clearly connected to the politics of John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald and Sirhan Sirhan, respectively. The two other presidential assassinations also had political colorations.

On July 2, 1881, after four months in office, President James Garfield, who had survived the Civil War battles of Shiloh and Chickamauga, needed a vacation. He was vexed by warring Republican factions - the Stalwarts, who waved the bloody shirt of Civil War memories, and the Half-Breeds, who stressed the emerging issues of industrialization. Walking to Washington's train station, Garfield by chance encountered a disappointed job-seeker. Charles Guiteau drew a pistol, fired two shots and shouted, "I am a Stalwart and Arthur will be president!" On Sept. 19, Garfield died, making Vice President Chester Arthur president. Guiteau was executed, not explained.

On Sept. 6, 1901, President William McKinley, who had survived the battle of Antietam, was shaking hands at a Buffalo exposition when Leon Czolgosz approached, a handkerchief wrapped around his right hand, concealing a gun. Czolgosz, an anarchist, fired two shots. Czolgosz ("I killed the president because he was the enemy of the good people - the good working people. I am not sorry for my crime.") was executed, not explained.

Now we have explainers. They came into vogue with the murder of President Kennedy. They explained why the "real" culprit was not a self-described Marxist who had moved to Moscow, then returned to support Castro. No, the culprit was a "climate of hate" in conservative Dallas, the "paranoid style" of American (conservative) politics or some other national sickness resulting from insufficient liberalism.

Last year, New York Times columnist Charles Blow explained that "the optics must be irritating" to conservatives: Barack Obama is black, Nancy Pelosi is female, Rep. Barney Frank is gay, Rep. Anthony Weiner (an unimportant Democrat, listed to serve Blow's purposes) is Jewish. "It's enough," Blow said, "to make a good old boy go crazy." The Times, which after the Tucson shooting said that "many on the right" are guilty of "demonizing" people and of exploiting "arguments of division," apparently was comfortable with Blow's insinuation that conservatives are misogynistic, homophobic, racist anti-Semites.

On Sunday, the Times explained Tucson: "It is facile and mistaken to attribute this particular madman's act directly to Republicans or Tea Party members. But . . ." The "directly" is priceless.

Three days before Tucson, Howard Dean explained that the Tea Party movement is "the last gasp of the generation that has trouble with diversity." Rising to the challenge of lowering his reputation and the tone of public discourse, Dean smeared Tea Partyers as racists: They oppose Obama's agenda, Obama is African American, ergo . . .

Let us hope that Dean is the last gasp of the generation of liberals whose default position in any argument is to indict opponents as racists. This McCarthyism of the left - devoid of intellectual content, unsupported by data - is a mental tic, not an idea but a tactic for avoiding engagement with ideas. It expresses limitless contempt for the American people, who have reciprocated by reducing liberalism to its current characteristics of electoral weakness and bad sociology.

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I'm very glad the W media types are not sitting down and letting the far left communists/socialists/progressives get away with this blood libel.   

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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2011, 02:25:42 PM »
Terrific article by the best columnist in America.

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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2011, 02:28:41 PM »
Krauthammer....
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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2011, 02:56:44 PM »
He's my favorite, but nobody is a better writer than GW.

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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2011, 03:09:58 PM »
Wish benny would stick around to defend his threads for once.

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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2011, 06:16:06 PM »
Krauthammer: Massacre, followed by libel
Wash Post ^ | 1/11/11 | Charles Krauthammer



The charge: The Tucson massacre is a consequence of the "climate of hate" created by Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, Glenn Beck, Obamacare opponents and sundry other liberal betes noires.

The verdict: Rarely in American political discourse has there been a charge so reckless, so scurrilous and so unsupported by evidence.

As killers go, Jared Loughner is not reticent. Yet among all his writings, postings, videos and other ravings - and in all the testimony from all the people who knew him - there is not a single reference to any of these supposed accessories to murder.

Not only is there no evidence that Loughner was impelled to violence by any of those upon whom Paul Krugman, Keith Olbermann, the New York Times, the Tucson sheriff and other rabid partisans are fixated. There is no evidence that he was responding to anything, political or otherwise, outside of his own head.


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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2011, 05:04:53 AM »
All left on the political spectrum, what do you think would happen if those in power had absolute unchallenged power?

So you are saying that if Obama and the democrats had absolute power they would kill anyone with a different political view than there own?

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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2011, 07:26:34 AM »
So you are saying that if Obama and the democrats had absolute power they would kill anyone with a different political view than there own?

I know its hard for you to understand, but throughout history, will unfettered power that is what happens. Why do you think all these communist countries are 70 years behind the US? Because the first thing they do is eliminate the educated and anyone else who can oppose them.
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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2011, 01:29:00 AM »
I know its hard for you to understand, but throughout history, will unfettered power that is what happens. Why do you think all these communist countries are 70 years behind the US? Because the first thing they do is eliminate the educated and anyone else who can oppose them.

Yeah its really hard to understand this ::)
Its not rocket science.

I dont support Obama or the dem but i have a hard time believing they will kill anyone who oppose them if they had the chance. The dem are way to impotent for that.

And besides if they eliminate the educated there is only FOX news viewers left so thay would not be able to be re-elected ;)

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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2011, 02:16:45 AM »
This thread is a really good example of what the problem is from someone who has both lived in america and now stands outside looking in.

The post comes up accusing the mostly right wing rhetoric as being a problematic driver of violence among certain citizens of america.

The response is total rejection, a bunch of posts about how bad obama is, and people running off talking about Mao and Stalin, which has absolutely nothing to do with what the post was about.

None of you have actually taken the time to consider (or appear not to have) whether or not what might have been written in the original post actually carried any weight or not, you just rejected it and threw mud back. This is how american politics looks like from the outside now, a fucking joke.

Whether the left has insighted or not is beyond question, I have had the misfortune to meet radical left wingers and they can be extrememly illogical and post up all sorts of things about resistance, fight the power etc...the question is this. There has been a sharp rise in politicised violence in america since obama got into power, we need to ask why this is so. It is not because of some watered down health care bill that is about as socialist as a savings account at Wachovia. It would seem to me highly unlikely that it is because of Obama's foreign policy which most would admit has been extrememly poor...if you remember when Kennedy was assassinated, the town was full of posters decrying him, smearing him and abusing him....there was a climate of hatred within which certain people felt free to express opinions in violence.

The way however that politics has taken this aggressive nose dive of finger pointing and lack of self questioning, combined with people Glenn Beck crying and writing goobledygook on blackboards, confuses and angers people. To say that it's not having an effect would be to stick your head and in the sand...Right wing critique used to be William Buckley, erudite sharp as a tack and always willing to go on the offensive against the left in an informed and measured manner. Sure he had nasty arguments with people like gore vidal, but he also had interesting arguments with people like Chomsky. Now you have O'Reilly, Beck and co, who im sorry are just not in the same league of quality, who shout and scream at...well nobody but a spectre, or some 'liberal' again not on the same level as vidal...as for Olbermann and Maddow, I dont watch MSNBC but I cannot imagine it being too different.

at least Buckley and Vidal argued face to face...not at some metaphysical idea. Buckley was not trying to scare people, merely give them the facts as they stood and offer an opinion. That is not what has been going on in recent years.

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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2011, 03:06:28 AM »
Its called when you live in a glass house don't throw rocks and complain when glass comes down cutting you to pieces.

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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2011, 03:14:52 AM »
By the way steevo - lee harvey oswald was marxist and communist who killed kennedy, so pinning that in any way on the right is ridiculous. 

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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2011, 03:21:51 AM »
This thread is a really good example of what the problem is from someone who has both lived in america and now stands outside looking in.

The post comes up accusing the mostly right wing rhetoric as being a problematic driver of violence among certain citizens of america.

The response is total rejection, a bunch of posts about how bad obama is, and people running off talking about Mao and Stalin, which has absolutely nothing to do with what the post was about.

None of you have actually taken the time to consider (or appear not to have) whether or not what might have been written in the original post actually carried any weight or not, you just rejected it and threw mud back. This is how american politics looks like from the outside now, a fucking joke.

Whether the left has insighted or not is beyond question, I have had the misfortune to meet radical left wingers and they can be extrememly illogical and post up all sorts of things about resistance, fight the power etc...the question is this. There has been a sharp rise in politicised violence in america since obama got into power, we need to ask why this is so. It is not because of some watered down health care bill that is about as socialist as a savings account at Wachovia. It would seem to me highly unlikely that it is because of Obama's foreign policy which most would admit has been extrememly poor...if you remember when Kennedy was assassinated, the town was full of posters decrying him, smearing him and abusing him....there was a climate of hatred within which certain people felt free to express opinions in violence.

The way however that politics has taken this aggressive nose dive of finger pointing and lack of self questioning, combined with people Glenn Beck crying and writing goobledygook on blackboards, confuses and angers people. To say that it's not having an effect would be to stick your head and in the sand...Right wing critique used to be William Buckley, erudite sharp as a tack and always willing to go on the offensive against the left in an informed and measured manner. Sure he had nasty arguments with people like gore vidal, but he also had interesting arguments with people like Chomsky. Now you have O'Reilly, Beck and co, who im sorry are just not in the same league of quality, who shout and scream at...well nobody but a spectre, or some 'liberal' again not on the same level as vidal...as for Olbermann and Maddow, I dont watch MSNBC but I cannot imagine it being too different.

at least Buckley and Vidal argued face to face...not at some metaphysical idea. Buckley was not trying to scare people, merely give them the facts as they stood and offer an opinion. That is not what has been going on in recent years.
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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2011, 01:24:30 PM »
Dem Rep: “Everybody Who Tries To Put It Off On A Deranged Individual..That’s A Political Statement’
Eyeblast TV / The Blast ( Media Research Center) ^ | 1/13/2011 | Joe S.


Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:02:44 PM by blog.Eyeblast.tv

Democratic Rep. Bob Filmer appeared on “The Last Word” with Lawrence O’Donnell and spoke on the Tucson shooting tragedy. He claimed this is something much larger than just one incident.

Filner said, “This is not an isolated incident. Everybody who tries to put it off on a deranged individual I think is — that’s a political statement in and of itself.”

He also mentioned “the start of a revolution.” As Jeff Poor from the Daily Caller writes: (video within link)


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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2011, 01:28:29 PM »
Dem Rep: “Everybody Who Tries To Put It Off On A Deranged Individual..That’s A Political Statement’
Eyeblast TV / The Blast ( Media Research Center) ^ | 1/13/2011 | Joe S.


Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:02:44 PM by blog.Eyeblast.tv

Democratic Rep. Bob Filmer appeared on “The Last Word” with Lawrence O’Donnell and spoke on the Tucson shooting tragedy. He claimed this is something much larger than just one incident.

Filner said, “This is not an isolated incident. Everybody who tries to put it off on a deranged individual I think is — that’s a political statement in and of itself.”

He also mentioned “the start of a revolution.” As Jeff Poor from the Daily Caller writes: (video within link)


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what an idiot...

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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2011, 01:40:16 PM »
Jonah Goldberg: The exploitive rhetoric of tragedy
By JONAH GOLDBERG
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In the wake of the horrendous shooting rampage in Tucson, why isn't anyone talking about banning "Mein Kampf"? Or "The Communist Manifesto"? Or for that matter, "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and "The Phantom Tollbooth"?

After all, unlike Sarah Palin's absurdly infamous Facebook map with crosshairs on congressional districts that some pundits have blamed for the violence, we have some evidence -- suspect Jared Lee Loughner's own words -- that these books were a direct influence on him.

And to listen to partisan ghouls such as Keith Olbermann exploiting this horrific crime, any rhetoric or writing or images that contributed to it must be stopped, and those who don't accept blame and then repent (specifically Palin) must be "dismissed from politics."

Note: It's apparent from evidence found by the authorities and from interviews with the alleged killer's friends and acquaintances that Loughner has fixated on Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords since 2007, long before anyone heard of the "tea parties" or, in most cases, Palin. Moreover, his grievance with Giffords appears to be unrelated to any coherent -- or even incoherent -- ideological platform. Rather, it drew on the bilious stew of resentments this young man cultivated as he lost his grip on reality.

Indeed, according to a fascinating interview in Mother Jones with one of Loughner's close friends, this twisted soul was apparently an ardent believer in "lucid dreaming" in which he could control an alternate "'Matrix'-style" reality.

Something similar seems to be taking hold in more respectable quarters. New York Times columnist Paul Krugman insists he wasn't surprised this happened because he saw it coming, even though the facts in this dimension don't support his premonitions.

But rather than beat up on those who've migrated from the reality-based community, it might be worthwhile to take them at their word.

If these people seriously believe that the tea parties and Palin's "lock and load" rhetoric are to blame, then what shall we do about it?

It's hard to find a serious answer to this question. For most of these ideological ambulance chasers, it seems enough to lay the blame at Republican or right-wing feet in an effort to anathematize ideas they don't like.

But that's shortsighted. Misplaced panics like this have a momentum and logic all their own. Already, Rep. Bob Brady, D-Pa., has drafted legislation to ban the use of symbols (crosshairs on a map, for instance) or language ("lock and load!") that could foster violence. "The rhetoric is just ramped up so negatively, so high, that we have got to shut this down," he told CNN.

That opens the bidding. The question is, where will it end?

If the alleged shooter had been inspired by a movie or TV show -- as any number of murderers have been over the years -- would those blaming the tea parties join with social conservatives in blaming Hollywood? Would they celebrate new laws to "shut down" such fare?

Mark David Chapman, who murdered John Lennon, claimed to be in part inspired by "Catcher in the Rye." Should that be banned? Or if not banned, should we "dismiss" from public life anyone who doesn't denounce J.D. Salinger?

When the subject of censorship or the "chilling" of free expression comes up in other contexts, the very idea that books, movies or TV can be blamed for the actions of the criminal or the deranged is met with unbridled scorn. I actually disagree with that. If books can inspire us positively, surely they can inspire us negatively, too. But we understand that we don't blame books for the rare demons who feed on them.

No doubt this will cause eye-rolling among those who simply want to keep the focus on demonizing conservatives and never bother to think ahead about the consequences of their misplaced hysteria. One noble exception is Slate's Jack Shafer, who probably goes further than I would when he writes, "Any call to cool 'inflammatory' speech is a call to police all speech, and I can't think of anybody in government, politics, business or the press that I would trust with that power."

Meanwhile, many proud liberals, not to mention dedicated journalists, see no problem with fueling a mass panic over our "political discourse." The fact that liberal rhetoric and images are often just as "extreme" is irrelevant. Also irrelevant is any violence that might be linked to such rhetoric. And the fact that the shooting suspect's motivations may lay in a reality of his own design? That's irrelevant, too.

These critics' aim is simply to exploit this horror as an opportunity to yell "shut up" at their political opponents.

Jonah Goldberg is an editor-at-large of National Review Online and a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. His e-mail is JonahsColumn@aol.com.




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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2011, 01:47:02 PM »
Maybe it might not be an isolated movement as more and more Americans are seeing more and more anti American programs being forced down their throats by an admin that will not listen to a word from the public. The group of Americans that despise this government is growing rapidly. And the government seems to be getting more and more def to the words of its people. I am in no way excusing acts like this or any form of violence as the answer, however maybe the out right dismissal of the American people by its very anti American government is going to lead to more acts of violence against its politicians, and will not really be able to be called isolated occurrences anymore.
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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2011, 01:50:33 PM »
But then again look at what some of the self avowed communists that make up obamas admin have called for,  violent protestes, violent revolution. Even obama himself, { we should smash our enemies}  when talking about the American people that oppose some of his policies..  Since when are American citizens who question the president deemed the enemy?? I thought that was called democracy?
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Re: Climate of Hate
« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2011, 02:02:22 AM »
But then again look at what some of the self avowed communists that make up obamas admin have called for,  violent protestes, violent revolution. Even obama himself, { we should smash our enemies}  when talking about the American people that oppose some of his policies..  Since when are American citizens who question the president deemed the enemy?? I thought that was called democracy?

Yeah Obama is a dictator

Stop crying bitch Obama does have crappy economic policy among others but if you think Obama is to "hardcore" you should probably move to disney land where Mickey Mouse is POTUS