Author Topic: Liberal asks Conservatives to "Turn the other Cheek" despite the scapegoating. (Read 1348 times)

Soul Crusher · « **on:** January 11, 2011, 09:23:18 AM »

(Time) Mark Halperin: Conservatives should turn the other cheek when scapegoated for murder
Daily Caller ^ | 1/11/2011 | Mary Katherine Ham

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During a discussion on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” Tuesday, the panel conceded that conservatives and Tea Party activists were unfairly scapegoated in the wake of Jared Lee Loughner’s shooting spree in Tucson, Ariz., which killed six and left Rep. Gabrielle Giffords fighting for her life after a gunshot wound to the head. Mark Halperin of Time just thinks conservatives shouldn’t bother defending themselves, so as to avoid further political escalation.

“Obviously, the initial reaction was so offensive to conservatives it has united everybody from Rush Limbaugh to David Brooks this morning, who wrote a very, very compelling piece that the scapegoating was an offensive act,” Joe Scarborough said during a discussion about the politicization of the tragedy.

Despite claiming the media had behaved “pretty well so far,” Halperin seemed to agree with Scarborough’s assertion that “a shooting was turned into fodder to attack conservatives.” But he seemed to find more fault with how conservatives reacted to unfair attacks than with the original accusations.

“I just want to single out one thing. I think the media and the politicians have behaved pretty well so far.I’m worried about the anger of the right-wing commentariat,” Halperin said. “Fox and George Will and other conservatives are in some cases justifiably upset at liberals, but they’re turning this back into the standard operating procedure of ‘all this is war and fodder for content’ rather than trying to bring the country together.”

“Wait a second,” Scarborough responded. “I think they would say that you have that backwards, that a shooting was turned into fodder to attack conservatives.”

Halperin: “And, I already made that criticism, as well. they’re right, but rather than seizing on it and turning the other cheek, they’re back at their war stations. that’s not going to help us.”

The conversation then pivoted from a discussion of the actual facts to yet another lecture on rhetoric, with Scarborough hoping conservatives see it as a “wake-up call” on rhetoric even though he had just established that there was no connection between rhetoric and the shooting.

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I had to turn the TV off the news commentary was so utterly offensive and ridiculous.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #1 on:** January 11, 2011, 09:25:08 AM »

“Wait a second,” Scarborough responded. “I think they would say that you have that backwards, that a shooting was turned into fodder to attack conservatives.”

Halperin: “And, I already made that criticism, as well. they’re right, but rather than seizing on it and turning the other cheek, they’re back at their war stations. that’s not going to help us.”

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Those days re long over Mr. Halperin. You want to blood libel people like Palin, expect to get it shoved right back in your face.

The tactics of he far left dont work anymore.

Fury · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2011, 09:27:17 AM »

So they should basically sit there and let the far-left say whatever they feel like about them, regardless of the validity of what they're saying.

Brilliant. And people claim it's the right that has the monopoly on stupid.

Option D · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2011, 09:36:39 AM »

Quote from: BerzerkFury on January 11, 2011, 09:27:17 AM

So they should basically sit there and let the far-left say whatever they feel like about them, regardless of the validity of what they're saying.

Brilliant. And people claim it's the right that has the monopoly on stupid.

WOAH.. So are you saying the Right is a (or are the right is plural maybe) intellectual power house.. back in 85 i would have given you that.. but now.. not so much

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2011, 09:42:23 AM »

Quote from: Option D on January 11, 2011, 09:36:39 AM

WOAH.. So are you saying the Right is a (or are the right is plural maybe) intellectual power house.. back in 85 i would have given you that.. but now.. not so much

I'm 35. I hve NEVER seen anything i m entire life like the far left has tried to pull off this week.

Fury · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2011, 09:42:43 AM »

Quote from: Option D on January 11, 2011, 09:36:39 AM

WOAH.. So are you saying the Right is a (or are the right is plural maybe) intellectual power house.. back in 85 i would have given you that.. but now.. not so much

I've seen nothing from the Democrats to indicate that they're any smarter than the Republicans. Factor in the urban power base of the Dems and it's definitely arguable that the average Democrat is indeed dumber. Who knows? I'm a registered independent.

Option D · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2011, 10:31:46 AM »

Quote from: BerzerkFury on January 11, 2011, 09:42:43 AM

I've seen nothing from the Democrats to indicate that they're any smarter than the Republicans. Factor in the urban power base of the Dems and it's definitely arguable that the average Democrat is indeed dumber. Who knows? I'm a registered independent.

So are you saying the Right is a (or are the right is plural maybe) intellectual power house?

Fury · « **Reply #7 on:** January 11, 2011, 10:35:40 AM »

Quote from: Option D on January 11, 2011, 10:31:46 AM

So are you saying the Right is a (or are the right is plural maybe) intellectual power house?

How did you even manage to get that out of my post? What I implied is that neither side strikes me as "intelligent power houses". People paint the Repubs as bible-thumping morons yet the Democratic power base is mostly made up of the legions of uneducated people from the urban areas.

Neither side has any right to claim they're smarter than the other, in my opinion.

True intellectual powerhouses register independent.

240 is Back · « **Reply #8 on:** January 11, 2011, 10:37:11 AM »

damn 33

you are completely sucked into the "liberals hate america and i'll give my last cent to the GOP to prevent that"

they're all on the same side, against your chubby ass, dude.

Your use of the word "liberal" 200 times a day kinda undermines your points.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #9 on:** January 11, 2011, 10:44:46 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on January 11, 2011, 10:37:11 AM

damn 33

you are completely sucked into the "liberals hate america and i'll give my last cent to the GOP to prevent that"

they're all on the same side, against your chubby ass, dude.

Your use of the word "liberal" 200 times a day kinda undermines your points.

Coming from the ObamaDildo wh started off this shit on this board, I really don't think you are in a position to say anything to anyne on this board on this issue now that te facts have come out onthis matter that Palin's so called list had absolutely nothing to do with this.

Good try fool.

Option D · « **Reply #10 on:** January 11, 2011, 10:47:51 AM »

Quote from: BerzerkFury on January 11, 2011, 10:35:40 AM

How did you even manage to get that out of my post? What I implied is that neither side strikes me as "intelligent power houses". People paint the Repubs as bible-thumping morons yet the Democratic power base is mostly made up of the legions of uneducated people from the urban areas.

Neither side has any right to claim they're smarter than the other, in my opinion.

True intellectual powerhouses register independent.

Boom!!!..thats why i fucks wit you no homo

240 is Back · « **Reply #11 on:** January 11, 2011, 10:50:38 AM »

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in the meantime, Obama's at 50% Gallup approval, palin is sinking like a rock, and Americans are soon to realize the Tea Party will raise debt ceiling and won't cut a damn thing.

But you can scream lib, and I think that's what is most important here.

240 is Back · « **Reply #12 on:** January 11, 2011, 10:53:07 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on January 11, 2011, 10:44:46 AM

Palin's so called list had absolutely nothing to do with this.

Quote me where I EVER said it had anything to do with this. I didn't. I went outta my way to repeatedly say "We DO NOT KNOW if there was a connection cause I knew dummies would paint my position for me.

If the congresswoman was on any other politician's list - with crosshairs - I would have posted that image too. Palin was the only one stupid enough to put something so violent out there - with names on it no less - one day after a gas line was cut targeting another name on that list.

So yes, the list could have been important, just as if the guy had Pelosi's cell number on his phone, or obama's kenyan birth cert in his pocket.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #13 on:** January 11, 2011, 10:58:20 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on January 11, 2011, 10:53:07 AM

Quote me where I EVER said it had anything to do with this. I didn't. I went outta my way to repeatedly say "We DO NOT KNOW if there was a connection cause I knew dummies would paint my position for me.

If the congresswoman was on any other politician's list - with crosshairs - I would have posted that image too. Palin was the only one stupid enough to put something so violent out there - with names on it no less - one day after a gas line was cut targeting another name on that list.

So yes, the list could have been important, just as if the guy had Pelosi's cell number on his phone, or obama's kenyan birth cert in his pocket.

240 - your little bs games don't work like they used to. Give it up already.

240 is Back · « **Reply #14 on:** January 11, 2011, 11:00:40 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on January 11, 2011, 10:58:20 AM

240 - your little bs games don't work like they used to. Give it up already.

i was very wrong on the maddow/postal worker story, I admitted it, and I damn well intend not to do that again.

Palins POS list was in poor taste and very dangerous, but there has been no link to this shooting, and I never said there was.

You can play "I read 240s mind" but my examples on the last few shootings have been consistent. I say, let's wait for the facts.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #15 on:** January 11, 2011, 11:05:46 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on January 11, 2011, 11:00:40 AM

i was very wrong on the maddow/postal worker story, I admitted it, and I damn well intend not to do that again.

Palins POS list was in poor taste and very dangerous, but there has been no link to this shooting, and I never said there was.

You can play "I read 240s mind" but my examples on the last few shootings have been consistent. I say, let's wait for the facts.

Then why dd you IMMEDIATELY beat that drum and continue to do so?

Fury · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2011, 11:08:08 AM »

Quote from: Option D on January 11, 2011, 10:47:51 AM

Boom!!!..thats why i fucks wit you no homo

Quote from: 240 is Back on January 11, 2011, 11:00:40 AM

i was very wrong on the maddow/postal worker story, I admitted it, and I damn well intend not to do that again.

Palins POS list was in poor taste and very dangerous, but there has been no link to this shooting, and I never said there was.

You can play "I read 240s mind" but my examples on the last few shootings have been consistent. I say, let's wait for the facts.

It took you less than 60 minutes to start exploiting the event for political gain. An event in which a 9-year-old girl was murdered in cold blood. It's vile stuff, man. Shows a complete lack of class on your part.

I guess it's all a big game when it's not your kid getting shot to death.

Skip8282 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2011, 03:33:31 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on January 11, 2011, 10:53:07 AM

Quote me where I EVER said it had anything to do with this. I didn't. I went outta my way to repeatedly say "We DO NOT KNOW if there was a connection cause I knew dummies would paint my position for me.

If the congresswoman was on any other politician's list - with crosshairs - I would have posted that image too. Palin was the only one stupid enough to put something so violent out there - with names on it no less - one day after a gas line was cut targeting another name on that list.

So yes, the list could have been important, just as if the guy had Pelosi's cell number on his phone, or obama's kenyan birth cert in his pocket.

C'mon 240, really? You're typical posts have been the backdoor stab. Kinda the equivalent to:

"We must not rush to judgement, but, by the way, Palin's got crosshairs on her website".

MM2K · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2011, 09:26:04 PM »

Quote from: Option D on January 11, 2011, 10:31:46 AM

So are you saying the Right is a (or are the right is plural maybe) intellectual power house?

THe RIGHT is WAAAAYYYY more of an intellectual powerhouse than the LEFT. Wayyyy more. Yes, the right does have its inellectual problems in a few areas. For instance, there are too many conservatives who do not have enough of a nuanced view of the immigration problem, who think you can just deport everyone and solve the problem. There are too many religious people who sit there and mindlessly believe every single one of thier pastors' interpretations of the Bible and therefore portray God and Jesus as if they have no common sense. Yes, a few religous people are not open minded enough to tolerate other people's views (evangelicals who wouldnt vote for Mitt Romney in the GEneral Election just because he is Morman? What the fuck is that shit?

) THere are a few people like Ron Paul who are mindless free market robots. There are some conservatives who are so glued to thier ideology that they dont consider the world the way as it exists both politically and economically (not wanting to raise the debt cieling and let the nation default on its debts? What the fuck is that?)

But these non rational problems are ten fold with the left. THe left consists of large classes of people with a chip on their shoulder, who want to be victims(blacks and hispanics). THey consist of moral simpletons who believe that all rich people are bad and that all poor people are good. There are only two types of smart people who exist on the left. THe machiavelian political elite who sit on top of the masses with a chip on thier shoulder, who ingeinouslly infulence the masses to give them power by stoking the weakness of human nature. But they do nothing to help the world and these poeple are horribly corrupt (Bill Clinton). THen there are university intelllectualls like Barakc Obama who have ZERO common sense and who have NO idea of how the world works. Pathetic scholars of theoretical trivia these people are. THen you have mindless pot heads and university students who think these people are gods, who try to emulate them. Theyre big on memorizing things, but not real big on critical thinking and problem solving. THey go crazy when Sarah Palin doesnt know a particular court case but dont seem to care that Barack Obama doesnt know how to manage a country any where near as well as Sarah Palin can manage a state. Thier so simple minded that they dont udnerstand how pathetic thier attempts are to control complex things. Liberals ALWAYS act out emotional. All they do is bitch about the flaws of the world but offer no better alternative, and in a lot of cases, WORSE alternatives(healthcare). Liberals consists mainly of people who never grew up. Who never got far beyond addolescence intellectually. THey discovered the flaws of the world in adolescence, were shocked, and STAYED shocked thier entire lives. THats becuase they didnt ACT to experience the world enough to realize that you cant get rid of the flaws. YOu can only hope to lessen them. LIberals are so schizofernic that they actually believe that you can control murderers intentions by forcing everybody to be politically correct. What a simplistic and naive view of the human mind. WHat's completely dangerous is that they dont even realize these flaws. THey have no lack of self awarenesss whatsover. It was once said that when you stop believing in GOd, ;you dont believe in nothing, you believe in EVERYTHING. sO liberals believe in stupid crap like global warming, natural resourse exasution theory, peak oil, enviornementalism, and unfortunately this all has a big effect on our lives, unlike religion. The human being NEEDS to believe in something supernatural, and religon is a great way to fullfill that need in a tempered way, but dont expect liberals to be intelligent enough or wise enough to understand that.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #19 on:** January 12, 2011, 03:38:35 AM »

Holy shit that was a great post.

whork25 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 12, 2011, 05:09:50 AM »

So conservatives believe in god because its the intelligent choice

tonymctones · « **Reply #21 on:** January 12, 2011, 06:18:02 AM »

Quote from: whork25 on January 12, 2011, 05:09:50 AM

So conservatives believe in god because its the intelligent choice

lol so believing in God is unintelligent?

Option D · « **Reply #22 on:** January 12, 2011, 06:23:35 AM »

Few things... First off... Wasn’t Bush right winged? Yeah. Ok... bang up job right...So because healthcare isn’t what you agree with Obama is dumb. To pay more so more people are covered... wow... and don’t give me socialist shit because the same people who want Obama care repealed say don’t touch Medicare or SS... And they are the same things.

Secondly... How in fucks name do you bring Palin into an argument about smarts and then site her job as governor as one of your legs to support your argument....SHE QUIT...What in the fuck is going on here... "She did a great job as governor" It’s not like she was the go of NY or CA or Texas... dude it’s Alaska. Then... she quit... so please spare me with the palin talk... that’s just wild.

Finally... What is the Liberal elitist and all that shit we heard about in 2004-2008... Liberal elitist. Implying that east coast well educated media and politicians were not in touch with people and blah blah. Dude can’t have it both ways. Either Dems are super smart or super dumb. It’s the same with 333s argument for Obama... one second he is taking too much vacation and he is lazy and the next second he is "hell bent" on destroying the nation and is doing everything in his power to bring the US to its knees like a mad scientist. My argument is this. As far as the politicians, they all went to the same schools and have the same level of education. Please don’t fool yourself. And as far as the general population... It’s also the same. Pockets of educational short comings. You site blacks and Latinos for dems. I can site rural whites for conservatives. Which I still never understood. They vote out of their tax bracket. I can speak for GA right now. When you look at the election results by district. The people in Metro Atlanta who are a bit more affluent vote Dem and the people in bumblefuck Ga who aren’t the brightest bulbs in the pack voted republican.
My Argument is this "spare me with the notion that your political leanings genetically determine your intelligence; idiots on both sides...

Holy shit this is a great post

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #23 on:** January 12, 2011, 06:52:38 AM »

John Kerry considered an intellectual liberal by his own party.

George Bush considered mildly retarded by those on the left.

Guess which one had a higher cumulative grade average at Yale?

Conclusion: A half-wit on the right is equal to an elitist on the left in the intellectual department? You decide....

whork25 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 12, 2011, 06:54:45 AM »

Quote from: tonymctones on January 12, 2011, 06:18:02 AM

lol so believing in God is unintelligent?

Not if he exists

I was responding to the this:

SO liberals believe in stupid crap like global warming, natural resourse exasution theory, peak oil, enviornementalism, and unfortunately this all has a big effect on our lives, unlike religion. The human being NEEDS to believe in something supernatural, and religon is a great way to fullfill that need in a tempered way, but dont expect liberals to be intelligent enough or wise enough to understand that.