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Giffords Shooting - Right Wing Media & Politicians To Blame?
« on: January 11, 2011, 10:37:04 AM »
Cenk Uygur (host of The Young Turks) breaks down the Gabrielle Giffords shooting at the hands of Jared Loughner in the context of various right wing politicians and pundits using violent rhetoric and imagery.

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Re: Giffords Shooting - Right Wing Media & Politicians To Blame?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2011, 11:15:04 AM »
AGAINST THE GRAIN
http://www.nationaljournal.com/columns/against-the-grain/stop-the-blame-game-20110110
Stop the Blame Game
The Giffords shooting brought out the best from politicians and the worst from the media.
Tuesday, January 11, 2011 | 5:40 a.m.


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i’m not a media critic and never will be, but this has not been a shining 48 hours for my profession. Following the shooting that left Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., gravely wounded and six bystanders murdered at a Tucson shopping center, the media have spent as much time trying to assign political blame for the cause of the shooting as they have trying to unearth facts. As it turns out, the murderer is a mentally unstable individual, with no coherent political ideology.

For all the blame placed on politicians for their aggressive political rhetoric, the media have been just as guilty in promoting crude political discourse and conflict. I’m not just talking about the Glenn Becks and Keith Olbermanns of the world, but news coverage that elevates conflict over substance and encourages contentious arguments over thoughtful discussion.

And in the aftermath of the Tucson shooting, the media’s worst tendencies were on display, from the onset of the crisis when several outlets inaccurately reported that Giffords had died, to the immediate, unwarranted assumption that the killer was associated with the tea party.

Ironically, even as politicians have been scrutinized for overheated rhetoric, it's the political class that reflected the country's mood best in the aftermath of this weekend's senseless shootings. From President Obama's pitch-perfect speech to the nation, to House Speaker John Boehner and Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi working together to reassure members and staff, there was little hint of the blame game that fueled much of the media's coverage.

It’s becoming increasingly clear that overheated political vitriol played virtually no role in Jared Lee Loughner’s shooting spree. His political thinking is hardly coherent, and his obsession with Giffords predated the tea party and Sarah Palin’s emergence in national politics. One of his few close friends told Mother Jones that he became fixated on the congresswoman when he asked her a question at a 2007 town hall about "the government having no meaning" and felt she didn’t answer. His killing spree wasn’t motivated by disagreement with her positions on health care or immigration.

Based on the available evidence, Loughner sounds like someone with untreated mental illness, whose grasp of reality grew ever more tenuous with time. He fits the profile of someone whose horrific shooting spree didn't have to be triggered by any provocative political rhetoric in the news.

But even with those facts out there, it didn’t stop numerous media outlets from connecting his beliefs to politics -- and isn’t stopping the continued rush to politicize this tragic event. The fervor to fit such craziness into a political matrix is regrettable, and, sadly, contributes to the overheated political environment that many in the media are condemning in the first place.

Much of the broadcast and print coverage over the weekend was devoted to decrying the state of political discourse, despite its tenuous connection to the shootings. Politico immediately ran several stories putting the shooter and his rampage in a political context, including one quoting a Democratic strategist -- anonymously -- arguing that this was a golden opportunity to “pin this on the tea partiers.” This, just 24 hours after Giffords was gravely wounded. Where’s the outrage?

To be sure, the increasingly strident tone of politicians -- on both sides of the aisle -- is a worthy topic of discussion. But in the aftermath of the shooting, there are much more relevant issues that should have been debated: in particular, how to better identify and treat those afflicted with serious mental illness and how to prevent guns from getting into their hands. I heard very little of that discussed in the aftermath of the shooting.

Violent metaphors are all over our culture, in politics and outside of it, and that won’t be changing anytime soon. The political lexicon is awash in gun metaphors -- from campaign committee lists of top “targets” to political “showdowns” to “battleground districts” to challengers “playing defense,” just to name a few. If this were a crime, the political media would be as guilty as anyone.

(In fact, on the morning of the shooting, the New York Post ran a front-page photo of Peyton Manning with a bull's-eye over him, before the day’s big playoff game. No one blinked an eye, or thought it was a call for New York Jets fans to murder the Indianapolis Colts quarterback.)

The other lesson learned from the coverage of this awful tragedy is that it’s better to be right than first -- a challenge in a journalism culture that increasingly rewards speed over substance. In the rush to break news as the crisis unfolded, several major media outlets inaccurately reported that Giffords had died. Others later inaccurately reported that Giffords was speaking after her surgery on the day of the attack. It raises questions about news organizations' standards for what’s allowed on air or online.

Those standards have been in decline, and go beyond reporting inaccurate information. Far too often, we give serious leeway for sources to anonymously attack their opponents. It makes for sexier stories but further coarsens the discourse in Washington.   

Far too often, we rush to report campaign attacks on candidates without verifying their validity and without even getting a response. Campaigns and national party committees know that news outlets are hungry for sensational material, and they exploit that.

By all means, let’s encourage civility in politics; it’s long overdue.  But let’s also take steps to ensure that the same rules of engagement apply to a 24-7 media culture that has fed off the conflict culture that it decries.



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Re: Giffords Shooting - Right Wing Media & Politicians To Blame?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2011, 11:21:20 AM »
BUMP for Cenk for expressing the truth about these despicable right-wing shit holes.
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2011, 11:23:33 AM »
BUMP for Cenk for expressing the truth about these despicable right-wing shit holes.

Ha ha ha ha - Benny - you little racist "step n fetch it" - name me one fact so far connecting so called "heated RW rhetoric" to this crime. 

Just one you little turd.   

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2011, 11:28:54 AM »
More propaganda from morons, the facts stare them in the face, yet they continue on this path. I guess left wingers just assume that if they tell the lie long enough it will just be accepted as truth
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2011, 11:29:57 AM »
Ha ha ha ha - Benny - you little racist "step n fetch it" - name me one fact so far connecting so called "heated RW rhetoric" to this crime. 

Just one you little turd.   
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How am I "racist", PEA BRAIN? Don't be mad and have a break down because you are a moron who has no life.  ;) Responding to posts in 37.8 seconds.  :D

And LOL@ you trying to reverse the "fat little turd" name. We all know that is YOU...we've seen the pics and that is why you are so butthurt.  :D
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2011, 11:31:14 AM »
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How am I "racist", PEA BRAIN? Don't be mad and have a break down because you are a moron who has no life.  ;) Responding to posts in 37.8 seconds.  :D

And LOL@ you trying to reverse the "fat little turd" name. We all know that is YOU...we've seen the pics and that is why you are so butthurt.  :D

NAME ONE FACT CONNECTING THIS MURDER TO SO CALLED RW MEDIA? 

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Re: Giffords Shooting - Right Wing Media & Politicians To Blame?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2011, 11:37:42 AM »
NAME ONE FACT CONNECTING THIS MURDER TO SO CALLED RW MEDIA? 
Re-watch the video at the top of this thread and strain that PEA BRAIN of yours as hard as you can. I know you can do it, little buddy! You're borderline retarded, but there is still hope for you!  :-\
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Re: Giffords Shooting - Right Wing Media & Politicians To Blame?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 11:40:29 AM »
Re-watch the video at the top of this thread and strain that PEA BRAIN of yours as hard as you can. I know you can do it, little buddy! You're borderline retarded, but there is still hope for you!  :-\

Again you little shoe shine bitch - name one fact connecting RW media to this murder as opposed to his obssession with her sine 2007 as a result of their meeting in which he was upset at her answers to him over a question about the meaing of words.     

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Re: Giffords Shooting - Right Wing Media & Politicians To Blame?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2011, 12:22:38 PM »
Turns out this guy is a registered independent, although his classmate described him a "liberal".

The more evidence comes to light, the more the left-winged media look like a bunch of buffoons.

Or to put it another way,

I understand the desperatio­n the Democrats must feel after taking a historic beating in the midterm elections and seeing the popularity of ObamaCare plummet while voters flee the party in droves. But, those who purport to care about the health of our political community demonstrat­e precious little actual concern for America's political well-being­, when they seize on any pretext, however flimsy, to call their political opponents accomplice­s to murder. Where is the decency in that? - Glenn Reynolds, "The Arizona Tragedy and the Politics of Blood Libel", Wall Street Journal.

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Re: Giffords Shooting - Right Wing Media & Politicians To Blame?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2011, 12:49:10 PM »
NAME ONE FACT CONNECTING THIS MURDER TO SO CALLED RW MEDIA? 
the day before that guy crashed the plane into the IRS building rush went on a rampage on his show saying "take violence, and protest to the street"...and "demolish the system"...no matter what "he" felt his words meant, they are what they are.....and he should be held responsible for them...

2 out of 4 people on this planet are stupid as hell and will believe and do anything with little motivation......both sides know this, and both sides use this...

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Re: Giffords Shooting - Right Wing Media & Politicians To Blame?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2011, 02:05:11 PM »
Bench I usually agree with you, but your last post is bullshit.

Anyone who would get into a plane and fly it into a building is clearly psychotic. Blaming a radio talk show host with 35 million listners daily for the behavior of one insane individual is moronic. 34,999,999 people didn't fly a plane into the IRS building that day. Isn't it just as possible that the individual who carried out that suicide mission was set off by tripping over his own shoelaces, his wife leaving him, losing his job, or waking up on the wrong side of the bed?

Crazy people do crazy things. Rush doesn't owe anybody an explanation for jack shit--

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2011, 02:08:03 PM »
Bench I usually agree with you, but your last post is bullshit.

Anyone who would get into a plane and fly it into a building is clearly psychotic. Blaming a radio talk show host with 35 million listners daily for the behavior of one insane individual is moronic. 34,999,999 people didn't fly a plane into the IRS building that day. Isn't it just as possible that the individual who carried out that suicide mission was set off by tripping over his own shoelaces, his wife leaving him, losing his job, or waking up on the wrong side of the bed?

Crazy people do crazy things. Rush doesn't owe anybody an explanation for jack shit--

Not to mention that guy himself was a far left loon himself who quoted Karl Marx in his last letter.     

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Re: Giffords Shooting - Right Wing Media & Politicians To Blame?
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2012, 09:39:08 AM »
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Re: Giffords Shooting - Right Wing Media & Politicians To Blame?
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2012, 09:43:57 AM »
which one of these fucking posts was from 240, 33?

not one.  Please find where I specifically blamed Palin for Giffords shooting.  I said it was fcking stupid for her to use that stuff, but never blamed her for giffords shoting.

You've been searching for 15 minutes now.  Find a post where I blame Palin yet?