Your opinion on overtraining?

[TacoBell]

if it's sore don't train beat it

overbating

[Master Blaster]

and tht is the perfect way to know if your training properly or not.

are you stronger than your previous workout? if not, your doing something wrong. either too much or too little of something. total sets, rest between sets, rest between workouts, food, ect. most of the time its too many sets, too little rest between sets, too long between workouts.

Come on bro. If we were stronger every workout we'd all be benching 500. MOST people on here workout and MOST people are not stronger every workout.

Does that mean they haven't learned your super cool way to train? Or is it possible that people don't get stronger every fucking workout?

I guarn-fucking-tee 10 months from now you'll be training totally differently and you'll shock us all with your NEW way to train, a secret in plain sight that we were all too dumb to see.

[cephissus]

The longer and smarter somebody has trained the more their bodies will be able to handle due to the accustomed stress their bodies have learnt to adapt to.

of course, without enough knowledge and listening to ones body regarding food choices and sleep amounts, a body can become overtrained, however advanced trainers know when and what their body requires, and increase workloads at slow paces.

I agree!  I think the most important thing in bodybuilding is to follow your instincts, and learn what your feelings mean.

I always felt like the best way to train was to blast the muscle as much as possible, aiming for huge soreness, then let the muscle recover until there was no more soreness, and do it again.  It seems like no matter how hard I hit a muscle, I could never get it sore for more than about 3 days (legs a little longer), so I would always aim to hit each muscle twice a week.

This worked great for a couple months when I first started eating enough to actually grow, and then about three months later I changed everything for a really stupid reason and ever since I haven't been able to get consistent growth, or even much growth at all.

This period of growth was about 3-4 years ago and these days things just don't seem to work the same.  I'll have a great workout, huge pump, decent soreness (never like in the old days though), lift a lot of weight, come back a couple days later when the muscle isn't sore anymore and, like magic, boom, the muscle doesn't do anything.  Feels completely dead.  Felt fine going into the workout, but it doesn't want to cooperate and I just end up with joint pain, no pump, no soreness, and no weight lifted.

I'm starting to think my body has just changed somehow (maybe hormone levels?) and my life is a lot more stressful now so maybe that has something to do with it... so I decided to cut back the frequency to once a week to see if I just need more time to recover (even though the muscle feels fine going into the workout  ).

Though I will say, even though the muscle often feels fine before a crappy workout, usually when I wake up I have an ominous feeling that I shouldn't lift, that my body isn't ready.  I wake up and the first thought is "I can't deadlift today..." but then thirty minutes later I feel fine so I just sort of ignore it.  This is another reason I'm cutting back -- I'm going to try to actually obey this instinct for once.

[DK II]

Come on bro. If we were stronger every workout we'd all be benching 500. MOST people on here workout and MOST people are not stronger every workout.

Does that mean they haven't learned your super cool way to train? Or is it possible that people don't get stronger every fucking workout?

I guarn-fucking-tee 10 months from now you'll be training totally differently and you'll shock us all with your NEW way to train, a secret in plain sight that we were all too dumb to see.

Maybe he will get legit gear one day and not some watered down UG lab salad oil, then he will tell us how he got stronger in 2 weeks.

Are there any people left on this board that actually train and have normal results??

[DK II]

I agree!  I think the most important thing in bodybuilding is to follow your instincts, and learn what your feelings mean.

I always felt like the best way to train was to blast the muscle as much as possible, aiming for huge soreness, then let the muscle recover until there was no more soreness, and do it again.  It seems like no matter how hard I hit a muscle, I could never get it sore for more than about 3 days (legs a little longer), so I would always aim to hit each muscle twice a week.

This worked great for a couple months when I first started eating enough to actually grow, and then about three months later I changed everything for a really stupid reason and ever since I haven't been able to get consistent growth, or even much growth at all.

This period of growth was about 3-4 years ago and these days things just don't seem to work the same.  I'll have a great workout, huge pump, decent soreness (never like in the old days though), lift a lot of weight, come back a couple days later when the muscle isn't sore anymore and, like magic, boom, the muscle doesn't do anything.  Feels completely dead.  Felt fine going into the workout, but it doesn't want to cooperate and I just end up with joint pain, no pump, no soreness, and no weight lifted.

I'm starting to think my body has just changed somehow (maybe hormone levels?) and my life is a lot more stressful now so maybe that has something to do with it... so I decided to cut back the frequency to once a week to see if I just need more time to recover (even though the muscle feels fine going into the workout  ).

Though I will say, even though the muscle often feels fine before a crappy workout, usually when I wake up I have an ominous feeling that I shouldn't lift, that my body isn't ready.  I wake up and the first thought is "I can't deadlift today..." but then thirty minutes later I feel fine so I just sort of ignore it.  This is another reason I'm cutting back -- I'm going to try to actually obey this instinct for once.

Yet every time you meet a "successful" bodybuilder, he will say that he has NEVER missed a workout in his life.


Fuck overtraining, just get into the gym and train. Make sure you get enough sleep, the right food and you will be fine.

[Firemuscle]

Then why are you a tiny little piece of shit that looks like he never lifted a weight in his life ?

 Because I don't do steroids.

 If you came off the gear you would definitely be the same size as me.

[Palpatine Q]

Because I don't do steroids.

 If you came off the gear you would definitely be the same size as me.

I was bigger than you when I was a teenager, much bigger....you have the genetics of a 12 year old girl.

[clued-up]

I trained my arms 2 days in a row this week.

[DK II]

I trained my arms 2 days in a row this week.

PIP

[Firemuscle]

I was bigger than you when I was a teenager, much bigger....you have the genetics of a 12 year old girl.

Bull fucking shit.

 Without your gear you would be 160-170 with a swimmers build.
  
 I saw that gay ass picture of you with spiky hair. You are all drugs. And you are a fucking guido.

 Anyway, I don't care about being "big". I wouldn't want to weigh over 200. I just want a decent healthy build, but be able to look lean and trim in a suit.

 These past couple weeks I havn't given a shit about my body at all actually. Sometimes you just gotta take a break from the bodybuilding shit.

[clued-up]

These past couple weeks I havn't given a shit about my body at all actually. Sometimes you just gotta take a break from the bodybuilding shit.

LOL.. I go months at a time without touching a weight at all. Its good for the body.

[Fallsview]

Bull fucking shit.

 Without your gear you would be 160-170 with a swimmers build.
  
 I saw that gay ass picture of you with spiky hair. You are all drugs. And you are a fucking guido.

 Anyway, I don't care about being "big". I wouldn't want to weigh over 200. I just want a decent healthy build, but be able to look lean and trim in a suit.

 These past couple weeks I havn't given a shit about my body at all actually. Sometimes you just gotta take a break from the bodybuilding shit.

No break required!!!  The sport of bodybuilding is a lifestyle, a state of mind that needs nurturing everyday.  Roy would commend this statement!!


STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DK II]

No break required!!!  The sport of bodybuilding is a lifestyle, a state of mind that needs nurturing everyday.  Roy would commend this statement!!


STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spot on, but it's cult, not a lifestyle. 

[Firemuscle]

 When vacation is finished i'll go back to pumping up my spectacular muscles 4x per week again.

 Don't worry fans. I'll still be just as ripped and striated as always.

[#1 Klaus fan]

Overtraining is a serious chronic condition that requires medical attention. No-one wants that. But there are multiple recognizable states before that, like overreaching. When people talk about overtraining they usually mean overreaching. Every athlete overreaches. Lets leave it at that.

[Meso_z]

I go to the gym and lift until i get bored.

[dr.chimps]

I go to the gym and lift until i get bored.

LOL. Shoot for that boredom zero-point horizon. 

[dj181]

Yes there is overtraining, but there is also undertraining. I'm convinced that muscle growth occurs in "spurts" and whenever these "growth spurts" are happening you MUST take advantage of the situation by training more frequently. For example, I train each muscle group once every 6 to 8 days, but at the moment my push muscles are in a growth sprut phase, so I am trainining then every 48 hours and they are getting stronger each and every workout My dips have gone from bodyweight plus 20 added pounds for 6 reps to bodyweight plus 80 added pounds for 7 reps in 12 days

[Marty Champions]

theres only undereating and improper assimilation due to too much meat filling up the digestive track and not being shitted out as quickly as plant foods thus slowing the digestive assimilation flow causing lower blood sugar wich=less motivation or feeling of run down causing acid reflux too at times,

the brain needs glucose not protien

glucogenesis taxes the body as well and is innefiecient for faster metabolism

[Marty Champions]

there is not overtraining but there certainly is fatigue thats why carbs are so important

they hold water , protien does not

your muscles need water and glucose and glucose to keep the muscles hydrated, dehydration=muscle weakness no matter how much protien you take in

[MB]

If someone screwed a bomb to your head and told you you have 30 days to gain 10 pounds of muscle or you die, I guaran-fucking-tee you would be over training like a mother fucker and making great progess.

You would be highly motivated for those 30 days.  I think the main reason low frequency workouts are effective is motivation.  When you're in the gym every day, it's a mental drain.  Lifting with purpose is greater than just being there.   

[Marty Champions]

if you spend at times 5 minutes between sets you might as well workout at home with a dumbell

[dj181]

Hey DK, would you like to have a training session wit me and Falcon? I will push you so hard during your training that you will nearly pass out, but Falcon will come to assist you and give you the energy dat you need to make it through da workout wit his fruit juice ROFL!

[slaver]

If someone screwed a bomb to your head and told you you have 30 days to gain 10 pounds of muscle or you die, I guaran-fucking-tee you would be over training like a mother fucker and making great progess.

Epic movie a la SAW in the making

[Jaime]

Never experienced it. I didn't experience it when i was eating a slice of toast and 2 litres of milk a day, and training same bodypart three times a week, Heavy, Rep to failure and i don't experience it now. Is this the most effective way to train? Probably not, but overtraining is generally pushed by guys that don't actually like training or with very bad genetics.