T-Nation article on Genetics in BB

[DK II]

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World-record deadlifter Andy Bolton squatted 500 and deadlifted 600 the very first time he tried the lifts.

Former Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates bench-pressed 315 pounds on his first attempt as a teen.

Metroflex Gym owner Brian Dobson tells the story of his first encounter with then-powerlifter and future Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman. He describes Ronnie's enormous thighs with veins bulging through the spandex, despite the fact that Ronnie had never used an anabolic steroid at that time.

Arnold Schwarzenegger looked more muscular after one year of lifting than most people do after ten.

It's just plain obvious that some individuals respond much better to training than others. But what makes the elite respond so much better than us regular folks?

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/the_truth_about_bodybuilding_genetics

[MONSTER_TRICEPS]

Alldrugs.

[gh15]

let me conclude tnation research with 2 words,,

hgh = genetics

the more hgh you have the better genetic you will be thoguht to have,,


gh15 approved

[Firemuscle]

 Seems pretty self-evident.

[The Grim Lifter]

let me conclude tnation research with 2 words,,

hgh = genetics

the more hgh you have the better genetic you will be thoguht to have,,


gh15 approved

So why couldn't someone like Shawn Ray look as big as 'The Beautiful man with glasses'. Even with the same amount of GH?
 

[Schmoe Buster]

let me conclude tnation research with 2 words,,

hgh = genetics

the more hgh you have the better genetic you will be thoguht to have,,


gh15 approved

Yes, HGH as much as you can afford + steroids

only your wallet and bank account need genetics of big cash to mutate

[gh15]

Yes, HGH as much as you can afford + steroids

only your wallet and bank account need genetics of big cash to mutate

best examplie is kulelo the kid,,he was a twinke,,fella couldnt even stand on stage 175 ,,was very stringy ,,and then BOOM ,,he licked the right ass,, tropion the kid introduced him to the insulin and gh he was on and couldnt respond to well enough ,,and the rest was history ,,still you can see how much hsi genetic worth since he cant even get pro card ,,he wil haev to work on little more condition for that which mean MORE DRUG and more extreme

gh15 approved

[DK II]

HGH is the one thing that comes into the equation later.

The claim is that people can squat 500 or deadlift 600 on the FIRST attempt ever and so on.


As for the Arnold claim, sure he was more muscular after one year, but he was probably also on more dianabol than other people in ten years.

If someone squats 500 on his first try ever, he had probably been doing lots of sports all his life before.

It's not genetics IMO when it comes to a certain level. Sure some people naturally run faster than others, but genetics only go so far. Set up a trained genetically inferior runner against a not trained genetically gifted runner, and the later will be the loser.
If, after 10 years of training, the difference between genetically gifted and not gifted still exists, i doubt it.

Modern science concludes that genes in the human body react to certain triggers. This means you can turn genes "on" and "off".


In this whole case, and with all professional athletes, drugs come into the equation, so it's basically all bullshit anyways. A drugged up genetically weak person will always be stronger than a genetically strong person.

[Schmoe Buster]

best examplie is kulelo the kid,,he was a twinke,,fella couldnt even stand on stage 175 ,,was very stringy ,,and then BOOM ,,he licked the right ass,, tropion the kid introduced him to the insulin and gh he was on and couldnt respond to well enough ,,and the rest was history ,,still you can see how much hsi genetic worth since he cant even get pro card ,,he wil haev to work on little more condition for that which mean MORE DRUG and more extreme

gh15 approved

Koolio was a twink that mutated into a top 5 NPC monster, if he can do it anyone can with enough $$$ for HGH and gear

[DK II]

best examplie is kulelo the kid,,he was a twinke,,fella couldnt even stand on stage 175 ,,was very stringy ,,and then BOOM ,,he licked the right ass,, tropion the kid introduced him to the insulin and gh he was on and couldnt respond to well enough ,,and the rest was history ,,still you can see how much hsi genetic worth since he cant even get pro card ,,he wil haev to work on little more condition for that which mean MORE DRUG and more extreme

gh15 approved

spot on.

Fuck genetics.

[Schmoe Buster]

HGH is the one thing that comes into the equation later.

The claim is that people can squat 500 or deadlift 600 on the FIRST attempt ever and so on.


As for the Arnold claim, sure he was more muscular after one year, but he was probably also on more dianabol than other people in ten years.

If someone squats 500 on his first try ever, he had probably been doing lots of sports all his life before.

It's not genetics IMO when it comes to a certain level. Sure some people naturally run faster than others, but genetics only go so far. Set up a trained genetically inferior runner against a not trained genetically gifted runner, and the later will be the loser.
If, after 10 years of training, the difference between genetically gifted and not gifted still exists, i doubt it.

Modern science concludes that genes in the human body react to certain triggers. This means you can turn genes "on" and "off".


In this whole case, and with all professional athletes, drugs come into the equation, so it's basically all bullshit anyways. A drugged up genetically weak person will always be stronger than a genetically strong person.

I agree, if anyone took as much legit dbol as Arnie did in 1 year and workout hard and ate the steak and egg dinners they would become muscular, not saying they would have exact build as Arnie because people have different bone structure but any person doing that for 1 tear will be muscular

[DK II]

I agree, if anyone took as much legit dbol as Arnie did in 1 year and workout hard and ate the steak and egg dinners they would become muscular, not saying they would have exact build as Arnie because people have different bone structure but any person doing that for 1 tear will be muscular

Yes, also thinking about Arnold was still young, and had basically nothing else to do but lift, sleep, eat.

[Schmoe Buster]

Yes, also thinking about Arnold was still young, and had basically nothing else to do but lift, sleep, eat.

a few years ago all i had was dbol, i took it all the time, i trained bloody hard and regular, ate good food and i looked different within a few weeks and the longer i stayed on the better it got, i was not a mutated monster Kockulo but i looked muscular and people noticed

[#1 Klaus fan]

Most of that quote is bullshit.

[JasonH]

Most of that quote is bullshit.

Agreed - obviously I wasn't there but I highly doubt Dorian could do 315 as a teen - he didn't start training until he was 21 so where do they get that information from?

Also about Arnold looking better after one year of training than most people do in ten? Haha, doubtful - Arnold started training at 15 and by 16 was still skinny as hell - even with dbol he didn't start filling out until he was at least 18.

[Parker]

So why couldn't someone like Shawn Ray look as big as 'The Beautiful man with glasses'. Even with the same amount of GH?
 

Because mabe Shawn was old school, as he stated that he stayed awy from the newer stuff (GH, insulin)

[Meso_z]

discuss:

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/the_truth_about_bodybuilding_genetics

"first attempt"

buuuuuuuuuuuuulshit!

[spude]

Because mabe Shawn was old school, as he stated that he stayed awy from the newer stuff (GH, insulin)

As much as I admire shawnie and thank him for making me start bodybuilding...it doesn't change the fact that this quote of yours is nothing but 100% bullshit wrapped in a shitty brown paper...shawn sure as hell used gh, 10+++ iu a day, maybe a bit less than other fellas...slin im not sure of, MIGHT be possible that he stayed out of it...and that's why he didn't look like a bloated testicle bag in style of fux & Co...and that's why he deserves at least one O WITH A CAPITAL O...Mr Ray was the last symmetrical, small-waisted dense looking fella at the olympia stage...he also would have been a good spokesman for the sport...clever, articulated, good-looking...perfect embodiment of the sandow trophy...

[_bruce_]

Seems to me that most people are average and can make gains related to the effort and knowledge they put in.
The "elite" works the same but has a shifted base to work with.
Personally I have only seen maybe two people which I would consider gifted freaks. Unfortunately they jumped the shark after a short time of training and blurred the results by taking enhancements.

[Van_Bilderass]

LOL @ Yates benching 315 his first try as a teen. If true his training and drug response must have sucked baaad since he only used a bit over 400 at his peak. I think he did like 420 on the incline for a few reps in Blood & Guts with training partner's hands on the bar. Yates at the very least tripled his strength from his starting point. At the very least. A bunch of retards writing articles on fag-nation.  

And I think Brian Dobson said he could see Ronnie's thigh veins through his sweat pants. Must have been some thin sweat pants.

The magazines also wrote Ronnie won the World's after one year of training! And still clean!

I guess these guys aren't impressive enough as-is so you have to add a bunch of bullshit.  

Because mabe Shawn was old school, as he stated that he stayed awy from the newer stuff (GH, insulin)

Come on now. Even freakin Bob Paris used GH. But not Shawn? 

[Palpatine Q]

LOL @ Yates benching 315 his first try as a teen. If true his training and drug response must have sucked baaad since he only used a bit over 400 at his peak. I think he did like 420 on the incline for a few reps in Blood & Guts with training partner's hands on the bar. Yates at the very least tripled his strength from his starting point. At the very least. A bunch of retards writing articles on fag-nation.  

And I think Brian Dobson said he could see Ronnie's thigh veins through his sweat pants. Must have been some thin sweat pants.

The magazines also wrote Ronnie won the World's after one year of training! And still clean!

I guess these guys aren't impressive enough as-is so you have to add a bunch of bullshit.  

Come on now. Even freakin Bob Paris used GH. But not Shawn?  

X2

BBing magazines are pure fiction aimed at 18 year olds....

Bodybuilding "lore" in general is a complete joke

[Master Blaster]

Dude looks like he could bench 315 no problem with zero training ever 

[JP_RC]

t-nation = joke

[DK II]

Dude looks like he could bench 315 no problem with zero training ever 

haahahaha, spot on.


Well, i have to hold it for this T-Nation article though, because it doesn't turn into a supplement ad for "Mag-10" or "Anaconda"

[225for70]

Dude looks like he could bench 315 no problem with zero training ever 

he's pressing that beer can with ease..