1st Latina Gov. Susana Martinez: Bad Ass

[Soul Crusher]

This woman kicks ass.   she is going far.   

TBH - I would not be surprised if she does not get picked for a VP slot.   

She has been awesome as a Gov so far.   

My pick for VP.     

[Soul Crusher]

Martinez-mentum: Popular New Mexico governor could be on VP shortlist
By Will Rahn Published: 11:32 PM 12/22/2011 | Updated: 12:58 AM 12/23/2011


Gov. Susana Martinez - Photo by Susan Montoya Bryan- The Associated Press

Will New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez be the next vice president?

“Don’t know her, but on paper I think she looks very impressive,” veteran GOP strategist Mike Murphy, a one-time aide to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, told The Daily Caller.

A conservative former prosecutor, Martinez is the most popular of the new Republican governors elected last fall, with an approval rating at or above 50 percent in a traditionally liberal state.

“What makes Martinez’s numbers so noteworthy is that she’s doing it as a Republican in a state that voted for Barack Obama by 15 points in 2008 and appears ready to do so again next year,” wrote Public Policy Polling, a Democratic-leaning firm, on Wednesday. “In addition to universal support from Republicans, an unusually high 32 percent of Democrats give her good marks and independents approve of her by a 48/38 margin as well.”

“[Florida Sen.] Marco Rubio (40 percent approval in Florida) and [Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell (45 percent approval in Virginia) get most of the VP buzz, but Martinez has much more impressive numbers in her home state,” the report continued.

In addition to her popularity, Martinez is also the first Hispanic woman of either party to be elected governor of a state. Come next November, the Latino vote will be heavily contested as the White House seeks to win over enough Hispanics to compensate for President Obama’s low approval ratings among white voters and the GOP looks to make inroads with America’s fastest growing minority group.

Martinez has said she has no interest in being the Republican vice presidential candidate in 2012, and an aide to the governor told TheDC that her position wouldn’t change. But, as in the case with Rubio and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, anything short of a Sherman-esque refusal is unlikely to dampen speculation among her fans.

Ads by GoogleAdam Brickley, a conservative blogger widely credited with first floating the idea of nominating then-Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin for the vice presidential spot in 2008, told TheDC that putting Martinez on the ticket would be “a good idea.”

“She’s certainly one of the more viable options,” Brickley told TheDC. “A lot of Hispanic people have been bandied about as options, and she would certainly be on the short list considering she’s popular, effective and conservative. She’s got everything she needs, so she’s somebody I’d consider.”

While New Mexico only has five electoral votes, it’s an important swing state. President George W. Bush lost the state by a razor-thin margin in 2000 — the closest election in modern times — but won it in 2004.

Should Martinez join the Republican ticket next year, chances are she won’t be the only New Mexican running for executive office. Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson is expected to declare his candidacy for the Libertarian nomination next week, and is currently polling at 23 percent support in the state against Romney and Obama.

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[mogulgangi]

this thread is worthless without her pics

[howardroark]

Latina Republican? That's cool. I wonder how rising conservative Hispanics will change the GOP's stance on immigration.

[George Whorewell]

Latina Republican? That's cool. I wonder how rising conservative Hispanics will change the GOP's stance on immigration.

Hey Howard,

*uck off again.

Best,

GW

(ps see the Sudanese immigration thread)

[Reeves]

Latina Republican? That's cool. I wonder how rising conservative Hispanics will change the GOP's stance on immigration.

If you're a real Republican and not a dumbfuck RINO, then illegal is just that - Illegal.  Get the fuck out of the U.S.A and take your
fucking beanpods with you.  If you're illegally here, then so are the turdlings you pump out. 

American here.  Not African-American.  Not Irish-American.  Not German-American.  Not Mexican-American.  I don't believe in hyphenating my loyalty and neither should any real American.   People should never be allowed here that aren't loyal to this country.  Fuck that noise.

Here to help. 

[George Whorewell]

If you're a real Republican and not a dumbfuck RINO, then illegal is just that - Illegal.  Get the fuck out of the U.S.A and take your
fucking beanpods with you.  If you're illegally here, then so are the turdlings you pump out. 

American here.  Not African-American.  Not Irish-American.  Not German-American.  Not Mexican-American.  I don't believe in hyphenating my loyalty and neither should any real American.   People should never be allowed here that aren't loyal to this country.  Fuck that noise.

Here to help. 

Post of the year nominee.

Howard--- go *uck yourself

[Dos Equis]

If you're a real Republican and not a dumbfuck RINO, then illegal is just that - Illegal.  Get the fuck out of the U.S.A and take your
fucking beanpods with you.  If you're illegally here, then so are the turdlings you pump out. 

American here.  Not African-American.  Not Irish-American.  Not German-American.  Not Mexican-American.  I don't believe in hyphenating my loyalty and neither should any real American.   People should never be allowed here that aren't loyal to this country.  Fuck that noise.

Here to help. 

I like it.   

[howardroark]

If you're a real Republican and not a dumbfuck RINO, then illegal is just that - Illegal.  Get the fuck out of the U.S.A and take your
fucking beanpods with you.  If you're illegally here, then so are the turdlings you pump out. 

American here.  Not African-American.  Not Irish-American.  Not German-American.  Not Mexican-American.  I don't believe in hyphenating my loyalty and neither should any real American.   People should never be allowed here that aren't loyal to this country.  Fuck that noise.

Here to help. 

Okay, but what to do with legal immigration? Should we just starve our businesses of labor and send them to bankruptcy court?

[Dos Equis]

Okay, but what to do with legal immigration? Should we just starve our businesses of labor and send them to bankruptcy court?

We don't need to do anything with legal immigration. 

Businesses will not starve.  They need to obey the law like everyone else.  Businesses always adapt.  And if a business cannot survive without illegal alien labor, then yes, it should fold its tent and go do something else. 

[howardroark]

We don't need to do anything with legal immigration. 

Businesses will not starve.  They need to obey the law like everyone else.  Businesses always adapt.  And if a business cannot survive without illegal alien labor, then yes, it should fold its tent and go do something else. 

So you're okay with:
1) Adding more entrepreneurs to the unemployment rolls.
and
2) Reducing the amount of goods produced in the United States, thus increasing prices/reducing real wages?

[Dos Equis]

So you're okay with:
1) Adding more entrepreneurs to the unemployment rolls.
and
2) Reducing the amount of goods produced in the United States, thus increasing prices/reducing real wages?

1.  No.  I'm ok with enforcing the laws regarding legal and illegal immigration. 

2.  No.  I believe businesses will adapt and competition will control prices and increase wages. 

[howardroark]

1.  No.  I'm ok with enforcing the laws regarding legal and illegal immigration.

So you're okay with enforcing laws that would put entrepreneurs out of business but you're not okay with putting entrepreneurs out of business?  

2.  No.  I believe businesses will adapt and competition will control prices and increase wages. 

Prices and wages are ultimately determined by supply and demand. You reduce the supply of labor, you increase the price of labor. However, that causes many businesses to ramp down production, which decrease the supply of goods and thus increase the price that workers would have to pay for those goods. So, in the end, you'd end up with a weaker economy and you'd leave everyone worse off.

[Dos Equis]

So you're okay with enforcing laws that would put entrepreneurs out of business but you're not okay with putting entrepreneurs out of business?  

Prices and wages are ultimately determined by supply and demand. You reduce the supply of labor, you increase the price of labor. However, that causes many businesses to ramp down production, which decrease the supply of goods and thus increase the price that workers would have to pay for those goods. So, in the end, you'd end up with a weaker economy and you'd leave everyone worse off.

It's not the Hobson's Choice you're trying to portray.  If an entrepreneur cannot survive without illegal alien workers, it shouldn't be in business.  And if it that particular business fails, another one will take it's place.  That's how our system works. 

We're not going to reduce the labor supply, because businesses will hire legal workers like they should be doing anyway.  There are plenty of American citizens who can take the place of illegals. 

[howardroark]

It's not the Hobson's Choice you're trying to portray.  If an entrepreneur cannot survive without illegal alien workers, it shouldn't be in business.  And if it that particular business fails, another one will take it's place.  That's how our system works. 

We're not going to reduce the labor supply, because businesses will hire legal workers like they should be doing anyway.  There are plenty of American citizens who can take the place of illegals. 

If there were plenty of American citizens willing to take the jobs that illegals take, then there would be no incentive for illegals to migrate to the States since those jobs would already be taken by Americans. The fact that America attracts so many immigrants is proof enough that the domestic market supply of labor does not meet the domestic market demand - the immigrant labor is what fills that gap and makes the economy function.

Reducing the labor force by 10 million or so will necessarily reduce the supply of labor and thus harm businesses that rely on cheap, unskilled labor.

In the end, the reduced labor supply won't even helped low-skilled American workers, since reducing the supply of low-skilled labor in the States will simply shift production of those goods to foreign countries.

You're looking at creating a lose-lose situation.

[Dos Equis]

If there were plenty of American citizens willing to take the jobs that illegals take, then there would be no incentive for illegals to migrate to the States since those jobs would already be taken by Americans. The fact that America attracts so many immigrants is proof enough that the domestic market supply of labor does not meet the domestic market demand - the immigrant labor is what fills that gap and makes the economy function.

Reducing the labor force by 10 million or so will necessarily reduce the supply of labor and thus harm businesses that rely on cheap, unskilled labor.

In the end, the reduced labor supply won't even helped low-skilled American workers, since reducing the supply of low-skilled labor in the States will simply shift production of those goods to foreign countries.

You're looking at creating a lose-lose situation.

I'm looking at making people obey the law. 

I disagree about the available workforce.  Businesses will cut corners to increase profits using whatever means are available.  Some legal.  Some illegal.  The only reason some businesses knowingly hire illegals is because they can.  If we do a better job of patrolling our borders, get rid of anchor babies, and crack down even more on businesses that knowingly hire illegals, those businesses that should survive will.  And American citizens will be the beneficiaries, because more American citizens will be employed as a result. 

This notion that we have no choice but keep and deal with illegals is absurd. 

[howardroark]

I'm looking at making people obey the law. 

I disagree about the available workforce.  Businesses will cut corners to increase profits using whatever means are available.  Some legal.  Some illegal.  The only reason some businesses knowingly hire illegals is because they can.  If we do a better job of patrolling our borders, get rid of anchor babies, and crack down even more on businesses that knowingly hire illegals, those businesses that should survive will.  And American citizens will be the beneficiaries, because more American citizens will be employed as a result. 

This notion that we have no choice but keep and deal with illegals is absurd. 

Come on - THIS IS BASIC ECONOMICS. You cannot reduce the labor force by 10 million (or 5 million or however large the illegal immigrant workforce) and not face any consequences. IF Americans were willing to take the jobs at the wages that illegals hold and were able to do those jobs as competently as illegal immigrants, THEN there would be no immigration in the first place since Americans would hold those jobs and there would be no demand for illegal immigrant labor! If you kick those immigrant workers out, then you'll harm businesses bottom line AND YOU KNOW IT. And I know you're not stupid enough to actually believe that businesses will take a hit on the chin and not do anything about it. They'll respond by producing less, by hiring less, etc. In the end, it will harm Americans. And, the worst part is that low-skilled American workers won't even see a pay raise! Those jobs won't stay in the United States, they will simply go overseas to somewhere where low-skilled labor is abundant. But in the process you'll destroy all of the supporting jobs and US businesses that rely on immigrant labor.

[Dos Equis]

Come on - THIS IS BASIC ECONOMICS. You cannot reduce the labor force by 10 million (or 5 million or however large the illegal immigrant workforce) and not face any consequences. IF Americans were willing to take the jobs at the wages that illegals hold and were able to do those jobs as competently as illegal immigrants, THEN there would be no immigration in the first place since Americans would hold those jobs and there would be no demand for illegal immigrant labor! If you kick those immigrant workers out, then you'll harm businesses bottom line AND YOU KNOW IT. And I know you're not stupid enough to actually believe that businesses will take a hit on the chin and not do anything about it. They'll respond by producing less, by hiring less, etc. In the end, it will harm Americans. And, the worst part is that low-skilled American workers won't even see a pay raise! Those jobs won't stay in the United States, they will simply go overseas to somewhere where low-skilled labor is abundant. But in the process you'll destroy all of the supporting jobs and US businesses that rely on immigrant labor.

This is basic common sense.  You can't even decide whether illegals account for 5 or 10 million?  Seriously?  How can you even make any kind of reasonable argument if you're dealing with five million worker spread?    

In any event, I've been in business long enough to know that businesses adapt.  It is true they don't just "take it on the chin," but it's also true that they have to be competitive to remain viable/profitable.  Not every business knowingly hires illegals.  The businesses that do, and are forced to hire American citizens, will be fine.  

There will not be some across the board increase in the cost of goods and services, because not every business knowingly hires illegals.  It's nothing like raising taxes on business, which affects all of them.  

If every business was forced to replace significant portions of their employees, you might have a point.    

[andreisdaman]

Do you think before you post?

of course not

[howardroark]

This is basic common sense.  You can't even decide whether illegals account for 5 or 10 million?  Seriously?  How can you even make any kind of reasonable argument if you're dealing with five million worker spread?    

It doesn't matter. I'm using the number to illustrate a point.

And the point is basic economics. You cannot reduce the supply of labor and expect there to be no negative consequences.

In any event, I've been in business long enough to know that businesses adapt.  It is true they don't just "take it on the chin," but it's also true that they have to be competitive to remain viable/profitable.  Not every business knowingly hires illegals.  The businesses that do, and are forced to hire American citizens, will be fine.  

Yes, and you're missing the basic economics here. What happens when your reduce the labor supply? The wages to hire the same amount of labor as before will have to go up. But it is not profitable to produce the same amount as before with less labor (or the same amount of labor that costs more). So, in the end, production and thus national output will fall. This doesn't just hurt illegals or businesses, but everyone.

There will not be some across the board increase in the cost of goods and services, because not every business knowingly hires illegals.  It's nothing like raising taxes on business, which affects all of them.

It will affect the goods that rely on illegal immigrant labor, such as manual farm work.

If every business was forced to replace significant portions of their employees, you might have a point.    

No, the argument applies even if 0.0001% of businesses have to replace a significant portion of employees. It's the basic laws of supply and demand. You decrease supply, there will be consequences. We do not live in a world without cause and effect.

[Dos Equis]

It doesn't matter. I'm using the number to illustrate a point.

And the point is basic economics. You cannot reduce the supply of labor and expect there to be no negative consequences.

Yes, and you're missing the basic economics here. What happens when your reduce the labor supply? The wages to hire the same amount of labor as before will have to go up. But it is not profitable to produce the same amount as before with less labor (or the same amount of labor that costs more). So, in the end, production and thus national output will fall. This doesn't just hurt illegals or businesses, but everyone.

It will affect the goods that rely on illegal immigrant labor, such as manual farm work.

No, the argument applies even if 0.0001% of businesses have to replace a significant portion of employees. It's the basic laws of supply and demand. You decrease supply, there will be consequences. We do not live in a world without cause and effect.

The numbers are kind of important, because they directly impact the point you're trying to make. 

Your supply and demand comments are based on a false premise:  that kicking out illegals will reduce the labor force.  It will not.  If we kick every illegal out of the country there will be American citizens taking their places.  Illegals are not filling jobs that Americans are incapable of performing.  They're taking jobs away from American citizens.  They're also costing us a lot of money.       

There will not be some catastrophic impact on business.  Some businesses will shut down, only to be replaced by others.  Some will be completely unaffected.  Some will have to reduce their profit margin to remain competitive. 
   

[howardroark]

The numbers are kind of important, because they directly impact the point you're trying to make. 

Your supply and demand comments are based on a false premise:  that kicking out illegals will reduce the labor force.  It will not.  If we kick every illegal out of the country there will be American citizens taking their places.  Illegals are not filling jobs that Americans are incapable of performing.  They're taking jobs away from American citizens.  They're also costing us a lot of money.       

There will not be some catastrophic impact on business.  Some businesses will shut down, only to be replaced by others.  Some will be completely unaffected.  Some will have to reduce their profit margin to remain competitive. 
   

If illegals were taking jobs that Americans would be willing to fill, then there would be no illegals in this country in the first place! Those jobs would have already been taken by Americans and illegals would have no reason to come to the States!

[George Whorewell]

If illegals were taking jobs that Americans would be willing to fill, then there would be no illegals in this country in the first place! Those jobs would have already been taken by Americans and illegals would have no reason to come to the States!

If we actually enforced our own immigration laws, those jobs would've been filled by Americans in the first place.

As BB said, if you can't run a profitable business without breaking the law, you shouldn't be in business.

[howardroark]

If we actually enforced our own immigration laws, those jobs would've been filled by Americans in the first place.

As BB said, if you can't run a profitable business without breaking the law, you shouldn't be in business.

If Americans would be willing to fill those jobs, then those businesses wouldn't have hired illegal immigrants. It's basic economics: there are job vacancies that Americans won't fill, and those jobs act as a magnate that attracts more immigrants.

[George Whorewell]

If Americans would be willing to fill those jobs, then those businesses wouldn't have hired illegal immigrants. It's basic economics: there are job vacancies that Americans won't fill, and those jobs act as a magnate that attracts more immigrants.

Wrong again-- Employers broke the law by hiring these people in the first place. Their profits come from the cost savings of not having to pay what any legal American worker would be entitled to under the law. Plenty of Americans would love those jobs, but not for pennies on the dollar of what they are supposed to be making.

Minus the welfare class, the vast majority of unemployed Americans would love to have any job instead of sitting around begging and getting handouts.