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The China Debacle
« on: January 20, 2011, 06:53:48 AM »
Ok- nobody has addressed this yet, but I feel that yesterdays state dinner for Hu Jintao was probably the low point of the Obama administration ( and America) in terms of foreign policy, Asian relations and overall diplomacy. Never have we been so misguided, so incompetent and such unbridled pussy's in dealing with a country that is run by a communist kleptocracy/ military dictatorship. Yesterday, our worthless, spineless, gutless, weasel of a President legitimized Communism and basically did everything except give Hu Jintao a blowjob.

In exchange, China will offer no concessions. China will refuse to help us with any of our issues in the region (especially North Korea). China will continue to manipulate, backstab and steal from America while brutally oppressing its own people. China will never assist America with Iran. China does not care about human rights. China will continue to bully and agitate neighboring countries in the region. China can and will do whatever the fuck it wants at the expense of the environment, American interests and human life.

Lets have three cheers for Barak Hussein Osama and his band of cross eyed know nothings for engaging other countries and not using vitriol or angry rhetoric.

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2011, 10:07:17 AM »
 Hu don't give a damn! Medvedev as well!

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2011, 10:10:42 AM »
Hu's on first?

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2011, 10:15:01 AM »
Hu's on first?

 Hu is who???
 In Russian we have a word - hui! It's a very bad word!

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2011, 10:27:07 AM »
Hu don't give a damn! Medvedev as well!

Hu >> Putin >> Medbedev

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2011, 10:30:56 AM »
Hu >> Putin >> Medbedev

 How did you conclude that?

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2011, 01:29:03 PM »
Ok- nobody has addressed this yet, but I feel that yesterdays state dinner for Hu Jintao was probably the low point of the Obama administration ( and America) in terms of foreign policy, Asian relations and overall diplomacy. Never have we been so misguided, so incompetent and such unbridled pussy's in dealing with a country that is run by a communist kleptocracy/ military dictatorship. Yesterday, our worthless, spineless, gutless, weasel of a President legitimized Communism and basically did everything except give Hu Jintao a blowjob.

In exchange, China will offer no concessions. China will refuse to help us with any of our issues in the region (especially North Korea). China will continue to manipulate, backstab and steal from America while brutally oppressing its own people. China will never assist America with Iran. China does not care about human rights. China will continue to bully and agitate neighboring countries in the region. China can and will do whatever the fuck it wants at the expense of the environment, American interests and human life.

Lets have three cheers for Barak Hussein Osama and his band of cross eyed know nothings for engaging other countries and not using vitriol or angry rhetoric.

Great post. This entire China visit has been a disaster. Obama, in his infinite incompetency, chose to focus the bulk of Jintao's visit on China's human's rights record which, in the grand scheme of things, means fuck all. We all know China isn't going to change so focusing on that instead of something worthwhile, like how they continue to peg their currency even after becoming the 2nd largest economy on the planet, was a pussy cop out. Not only that, but he couldn't even get Jintao to do anything more than barely (and I emphasize barely) acknowledge their atrocious human rights record.

But, but, $45 billion in new business contracts! Drop in the bucket.  ::)

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2011, 01:35:00 PM »
Translation error.        LOL   

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2011, 01:52:14 PM »
Boeing to cut 1,100 jobs in C-17 program


NEW YORK (AFP) – US aerospace giant Boeing said Thursday it will cut about 1,100 jobs over the next two years as it slows production of its C-17 military transport aircraft.

Boeing said it would deliver 13 C-17s in 2011, one less than the prior year, as it moves to a new annual production rate of 10.

"Boeing will reduce the production program's work force by approximately 1,100 jobs through the end of 2012," the Chicago-based firm said in statement.

The transition to the new production rate was announced in February 2010.

The long-haul military cargo C-17, which is in its 18th year of service, can carry large equipment, supplies and troops directly to small airfields, the company says.

"The fleet continues to operate at an accelerated rate due to the recent troop surge in Afghanistan," Boeing said.

"It achieved two million total flight hours in December, less than five years after it passed the one-million-flight-hour mark."

The US Air Force is the biggest customer, taking 206 of the 226 C-17s delivered worldwide.

Boeing's foreign military customers include Britain, Canada, Australia, United Arab Emirates and Qatar, as well as the NATO-led Strategic Airlift Capability consortium.

The C-17 has also supported humanitarian and disaster-relief missions, such as providing relief to Haiti in the aftermath of a devastating hurricane a year ago.

Boeing said the move to a slower production rate "will be completed this summer" and lead to the elimination of the second shift at the C-17 final assembly facility in Long Beach, California.

About 900 of the planned 1,100 job cuts were expected to be made at the Long Beach plant. The remainder of the reductions will occur in Arizona, Georgia and Missouri.

"Reducing the number of C-17s we deliver every year -- and doing that with a smaller work force -- will allow us to keep the production line open beyond 2012, protect jobs, and give potential customers more time to finalize their airlift requirements," Bob Ciesla, C-17 program manager, said in the statement.

Boeing said it was working to capture additional international orders for the C-17, and that India and Kuwait were expected to be the next customers.

The Defense Department's proposed fiscal 2011 budget funds the shutdown of the C-17 program.

Boeing shares were down 1.69 percent at $70.52 in midday New York trade.


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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2011, 02:35:17 PM »
They likely stole our stealth technology. 

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2011, 05:40:15 AM »

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2011, 05:42:13 AM »
They likely stole our stealth technology. 

more likely, we handed them a suitcase full of blueprints :(

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2011, 05:50:09 AM »
Great commentary.   


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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2011, 06:38:06 AM »
Updated: Fri., Jan. 21, 2011, 9:09 AM 
Chinese Tiger ate US Dove for lunch
By CHARLES HURT


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WASHINGTON -- Who did you think would come out on top if you put a tiger and a dove in the same room together to work out their differences?

Yes, those were white bird feathers sticking out of the tiger's mouth at the lavish state dinner hosted by President Obama at the White House this week.

President Hu Jintao is a Tiger Leader. That's kind of like a Tiger Mother, only less nurturing and more demanding.

President Obama is a Dove Leader. He speaks endlessly and carries no stick. And he likes to do a lot of bowing and scraping. Kind of like the way Hu Jintao likes to do a lot of not smiling.

If you see all that together in one room, bet on the Tiger.

But even a Dove like Obama will manage to emerge with something. In this case, he escaped with his vocal chords unscathed.

And he is still talking.

He is talking all about what a great deal he got us while doing his little humble shtick.

He is crowing about $45 billion in US exports he got China to agree to. That doesn't exactly close the more than $250 billion in trade deficits we rack up against the communist state each year.

Nearly half of the total value of those trade deals -- $19 billion -- is for aircraft from Boeing that China had already agreed to purchase as part of a larger deal going back to 2007. That was more than a year before the Dove Leader had even landed in our midst.

And Obama said he really busted Hu's chops over his country's unfettered piracy of everything from designer handbags to software to drugs to sophisticated electronic gadgetry that American companies have plowed billions upon billion of dollars of research and development into -- only to have rogue companies in places like China rip them off and flood the market with cheap goods.

For years, of course, China has denied many of the accusations of intellectual-property theft while at the same time claiming to crack down on the stealing.

Then came Hu's big concession to Obama -- perfectly illustrating his country's regard for intellectual property. Hu promised he would try to get his own government agencies to quit using pirated software.

His OWN GOVERNMENT AGENCIES???

You call this a concession?

No, that is called complete bamboozlement.

The other hot topic of negotiation was currency manipulation, and, apparently, Hu was not up for any lectures from the leader of a country so perilously drowning in debt and unable to quit recklessly spending money it does not have.

No specific "deals" were offered in that department.

And Obama is talking about how he really wagged his finger in Hu's face over China's human-rights record.

To be certain, Hu surprised many -- and surely caused the Dove Leader's heart to flutter -- by admitting that his country could do more in the area of human rights. But those are nothing more than words, and they did not spring a single freedom-loving dissident from a Chinese prison.

It was, at least, a baby step in the right direction.

Quick! Someone alert the Nobel Prize Committee that it needs to award President Hu Jintao of China the Peace Prize for all the great acts of respect for human freedom that he has as yet not quite fulfilled but surely will!

Or, perhaps, such awards are handed out on credit only to Dove Leaders, never Tigers.

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Re: The China Debacle
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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2011, 07:45:18 AM »
How the Chinese Must See Us (As suckers?)
Townhall.com ^ | January 21, 2011 | Pat Buchanan


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"O would some power the gift to give us to see ourselves as others see us," wrote the poet Robert Burns.

As Hu Jintao wings his way home, America's hectoring still ringing in his ears, he must be thinking that maybe we Americans should stop lecturing them and take a closer look at ourselves.

Revalue your currency, we demand of the Chinese, stop running these trade surpluses at our expense, start practicing free trade, and abandon these mercantilist and protectionist policies.

But why should they? Why should China abandon a trade policy that is working marvelously well for them, and adopt a trade policy that is failing dismally for us? Does that make sense?

Why should any nation emulate the U.S. trade policy of the Bush-Clinton-Bush era that has stripped us of a third of our manufacturing jobs and made us dependent on China and the world for the needs of our national life and the borrowed money to pay for them?

Why would China, seeking to make herself an independent and self-sufficient nation, adopt a policy that cost us our independence?

And what are the Chinese doing in their ascendancy to first power on earth that we did not do in ours?

Are our Milton Friedmanite free-traders unaware of how it was that, in the last third of the 19th century, we left the British in the dust? Are they unaware we had the highest tariffs on earth to price British products out of our market and goad rapacious Yankees into building new factories to produce the same goods we were then importing from Great Britain?

Lest we forget, the Americans who turned this country into the industrial marvel of mankind were known as "Robber Barons."

As they put America first in our rise, the Chinese are putting China first.

Our grand strategists demand to know why the Chinese are making these brash claims to all the islands in the South China and East China seas. Why are they telling us to keep our aircraft carriers out of the Yellow Sea and out of the Taiwan Strait? Who do they think they are?

Well, maybe they think they're 19th-century Americans.

Did not James Monroe and John Quincy Adams brashly tell the great powers of Europe to stay out of our hemisphere?

What are the Chinese about, other than imposing a Monroe Doctrine of their own? As historian Walter McDougall writes, Otto von Bismarck was as affronted by us as we are by the Chinese, declaring that the Monroe Doctrine represented "a species of arrogance peculiarly American and inexcusable."

Hu Jintao got an earful from us on his human rights records. Stop the repression of Uighurs and Tibetans. Stop jailing political dissidents. Allow more freedom of the Internet and the press.

But on his way home, Hu must be thinking to himself: Who are these Americans to lecture us?

Is this not the same tribe that enslaved black people for 250 years and segregated them for a century? Is this not the same tribe that drove the Indians off their lands, then stuck them all in Bantustans called reservations? Are these not the only people in history to have dropped atomic bombs on defenseless cities?

How would we have reacted if Hu, instead of pretending he couldn't hear the translation of that question about human rights, retorted, "We Chinese are also concerned about what we read of human rights at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo, of renditions, torture and something called 'water-boarding.'"

This is not written in defense of the Chinese communists who are a purposeful and ruthless lot, but to suggest that we Americans no longer look like the self-confident nation of Dwight Eisenhower and JFK that was unintimidated by the brutal and bullying Soviet Union of Nikita Khrushchev.

We were in a great struggle then -- and acted like we could win it.

But as America sinks economically and retreats strategically, while China grows at 10 percent and bristles with confidence, we appear to be a nation of whiners. They are eating our lunch, and we sound like losers in a locker room.

We demand that the Chinese be more open and tolerant of opposition and dissent. But when they look at the gridlock of American democracy, the pettiness of our politics and the failure of our policies, while they are on the move at home and all over the world, why should they want to be more like us?

Has our American capitalism in this century performed as well as their autocratic capitalism? Is our political performance an argument for the superiority of our ballyhooed democracy over their one-party state?

We can't win or end our wars, balance our budgets or control our borders. Great states like California and Illinois appear about to go belly-up. The U.S. government is running a third straight deficit of near 10 percent of our entire economy. We used our stimulus money to save government jobs. They used theirs for bullet trains.

Time to see ourselves as others see us.


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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2011, 07:46:11 AM »
Embarrassing. Can you imagine the smirk on Jintao's face as he went to sleep that night? Probably doing back flips in his room.

Well, I'll hand it to Obama. He just had to go out there and make sure every major Asian power embarrassed us. He had already gotten slapped around by Korea and Japan so he just had to finish the job with the Chinese.

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2011, 07:49:02 AM »
Embarrassing. Can you imagine the smirk on Jintao's face as he went to sleep that night? Probably doing back flips in his room.

Well, I'll hand it to Obama. He just had to go out there and make sure every major Asian power embarrassed. He had already gotten slapped around by Korea and Japan so he just had to finish the job with the Chinese.


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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2011, 08:44:43 AM »
Embarrassing. Can you imagine the smirk on Jintao's face as he went to sleep that night? Probably doing back flips in his room.

Well, I'll hand it to Obama. He just had to go out there and make sure every major Asian power embarrassed us. He had already gotten slapped around by Korea and Japan so he just had to finish the job with the Chinese.

Racist post reported. Asian's are only allowed to show emotion through smiling before the press. Smiling in private is a huge taboo. You should be more cultutally sensitive.

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2011, 05:47:40 AM »
Updated: Mon., Jan. 24, 2011, 6:41 AM 
Sour note at Hu fete
By S.A. MILLER Post Correspondent



http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/sour_note_at_hu_fete_sU6ZLyo3xXs8F1mmr6kmSN


WASHINGTON -- Chinese-born pianist Lang Lang gave a musical shout out to America-hating patriots in his homeland when he played at the White House state dinner last week.

During his performance, Lang tinkled the ivories with the famous anti-American propaganda tune "My Motherland" -- the theme song from the Chinese-made Korean War movie "Battle on Shangangling Mountain."

Chinese President Hu Jintao, the guest of honor at the dinner, surely recognized the melody. The song has been a favorite anti-American propaganda tool for decades.

Lang apparently knew exactly what he was playing.

A White House spokesman declined to comment on the song selection, instead directing questions about Lang's performance to the National Security Council staff, which was not available to comment.

The 1956 film "Battle on Shangangling Mountain" depicts Chinese troops pinned down under enemy fire on the mountain. Then reinforcements arrive and the troops attack the US soldiers, whom the Chinese refer to as "jackals."

The song Lang played in front of Hu and President Obama includes the verse: "When friends are here, there is fine wine/But if the jackal comes/What greets it is the hunting rifle."

Lang said in a TV interview that he played the song to reflect Chinese pride.

"I think playing the tune at the White House banquet can help us, as Chinese people, feel extremely proud of ourselves and express our feelings through the song," he told the Chinese network Phoenix TV.

"I think it's especially good. Also, I like the tune in and of itself. Every time I hear it, I feel extremely moved."

Lang, who performed for the state-dinner music program that the White House billed as "quintessentially American," was more blunt in a blog.

"Playing this song praising China to heads of state from around the world seems to tell them that our China is formidable, that our Chinese people are united; I feel deeply honored and proud," Lang wrote, according to a report by Epoch Times.

The anti-US musical interlude at the White House touched off some patriotic chest-thumping on Chinese blogs.

"Those American folks very much enjoyed it and were totally infatuated with the melody!!! The US is truly stupid!!" wrote one blogger.


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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2011, 06:11:39 AM »
Obama  only knows Gangsta Rap , so its not his fault. Unfortunetly, there aren't any piano concertos for NWA or Wu Tang Clan.

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Re: The China Debacle
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2011, 06:16:01 AM »
Obama  only knows Gangsta Rap , so its not his fault. Unfortunetly, there aren't any piano concertos for NWA or Wu Tang Clan.

Like Trump said - Obama is making us a laughingstock.