No disrespect to you nolotil, coz you have lots of knowledge and you know what's up, but I'm gonna give it a go (meaning to get lean 1st and then put some more muscle on my fat arm) I'm not saying that it will happen, but I sure as hell am gonna try it. So, the plan is as follows... Hit sub-7 1st and then post update pics (at that point, I imagine that my arm will look softer and flater) and the 2nd phase will be to stay lean, sub-7, and then fill the arm back out with much more seperation, detail, and hopefully density. I don't know if it will work out the way I plan, but that is how I'm gonna approach it.