On Roe V. Wade Anniversary, Abortion Foes Increasingly Confident of 'Cultural Sh

[tonymctones]

You're all about making things "fair" so how are we going to offset the burden that women face from pregnancy and childbirth.

The discomfort, the hormonal changes, not being able to drink,  the time off from work, the changes to their body, and the big one....the potential of death

Men don't have to deal with any of those issues.

Until we find a way that the woman can give the fetus to the man for him to carry to term then woman will always have the much larger burden and will have choices that men don't get

stop whining like a child and grow up

If you can't be responsible for your actions as an adult male then don't have sex

actually if im not mistaken a man has already given birth, i expect you to start fighting for mens rights now 

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&rlz=1R2RNSN_enUS415&q=man+gives+birth&rlz=1R2RNSN_enUS415&aq=0&aqi=g4g-o1&aql=&oq=man+gives+&pbx=1&fp=2d73bcec2e6e3c54

2nd, 9 months gestation doesnt equal 18 YEARS child support

Id be fine with the man having to split medical costs while pregnant, but they should be given an equal choice as to walk away from THEIR CHILD like the WOMAN DOES...

[tonymctones]

+ 1000000000

My personal favorite is when he "debates" in the form of a question to the other person, hoping they will make his own argument for him as he is incapable of it.

LOL i do this to let themselves show how foolish they are...

you ever notice how straw never answers any of my questions???

hahahahhahahah ever wonder why???

hahahahahaa 

[Straw Man]

LOL its from some show, you have to ask hugo about it thats who i came across "moran" it is supposed to be spelled that way in reference to the way the person said it i think iono, ask huggy

LOL you cited a chart of ppl claiming if they are pro life or pro choice to state how nothing has really changed in regards to ppl wanting more or less regulation brain child
ppl can still be pro choice and want more regulation cant they? YES THEY CAN!!!!!!!

so simply b/c there hasnt been much change in the ppl that align themselves with pro choice or life doesnt mean there isnt a greater change in those ppl that want more regulation...

LOGIC...

I never mentioned "regulation" and neither did that graph

you were the first and only one to mention "regulation"







  

[Straw Man]

actually if im not mistaken a man has already given birth, i expect you to start fighting for mens rights now 

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&rlz=1R2RNSN_enUS415&q=man+gives+birth&rlz=1R2RNSN_enUS415&aq=0&aqi=g4g-o1&aql=&oq=man+gives+&pbx=1&fp=2d73bcec2e6e3c54

2nd, 9 months gestation doesnt equal 18 YEARS child support

Id be fine with the man having to split medical costs while pregnant, but they should be given an equal choice as to walk away from THEIR CHILD like the WOMAN DOES...

that's not a man and you haven't addressed any of  burdens/risks that I listed that woman deal with during pregnancy and child birth

how to we as a society make that fair to the woman?

[tonymctones]

I never mentioned "regulation" and neither did that graph

you were the first and only one to mention "regulation"   

--Measures modeled after a Nebraska law passed last year that outlaws abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, based on the assertion that fetuses can feel pain after that point. That's a departure from the standards set by the Supreme Court decision Roe v Wade, which allow states to limit abortions when there's a viable chance the fetus could survive outside the womb, generally between 22 and 24 weeks.

--Bills requiring women to have an ultrasound prior to an abortion. Some versions would also require doctors to describe the ultrasound image of the fetus to the woman.

--Laws prohibiting abortion coverage in health insurance plans offered by the new state exchanges that are to commence in 2014 under President Obama's health care overhaul. Five states passed such measures last year; more may follow suit.

sorry i figured youd be smart enough to make the jump from bills and laws to regulations 

[tonymctones]

that's not a man and you haven't addressed any of  burdens/risks that I listed that woman deal with during pregnancy and child birth

how to we as a society make that fair to the woman?

First of he has no say of whether she goes through those risks or not, So why should he have to do anything?

but I did suggest something about splitting the costs, right now the man isnt responsible for any of the costs during pregnancy that i know of...it could take monetary form while pregnant but would stop after pregnancy since it was her sole choice to give birth

how do you suggest we make fair any of the burdens/risks that the man takes on after child birth?

[Straw Man]

The only thing that graph shows is American's overall position on abortion and the question is written as follows:

"With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life"

That's it

You're the one who introduced the idea that people who are pro-choice could also want "more regulution" (and never bothered to provide any detail as to what regulartion or any support for your statement)

then you asked me to disprove your vague assumption by writing:

LMAO you disagree?

tell me what part im wrong about?
you think every person who labels themselves pro choice is against any sort of restrictions to abortion?

 

MORAN!!!!! 

[tonymctones]

The only thing that graph shows is American's overall position on abortion and the question is written as follows:

"With respect to the abortion issue, would you consider yourself to be pro-choice or pro-life"

That's it

You're the one who introduced the idea that people who are pro-choice could also want "more regulution" (and never bothered to provide any detail as to what regulartion or any support for your statement)

then you asked me to disprove your vague assumption by writing:

THE IDEA OF THE ARTICLE WAS THAT PPLS VIEWS ON STRICTER RESTRICTION OF ABORTIONS HAVE CHANGED

so why did you post that graph straw? LMAO

[Straw Man]

First of he has no say of whether she goes through those risks or not, So why should he have to do anything?

but I did suggest something about splitting the costs, right now the man isnt responsible for any of the costs during pregnancy that i know of...it could take monetary form while pregnant but would stop after pregnancy since it was her sole choice to give birth

how do you suggest we make fair any of the burdens/risks that the man takes on after child birth?

I never even mentioned the monetary cost

I mentioned things that every woman will deal with or might face (i.e. death) when she get's pregnant

you're all about fairness right

you believe the current laws in this country are "unfair" to men

I'm asking you how you're going to even out the unfairness that women face when they are pregnant

It is an undeniable fact that women have a much larger burden/risk during pregnancy and childbirth

How many men have died during child birth?

[Straw Man]

LOL i do this to let themselves show how foolish they are...

you ever notice how straw never answers any of my questions???

hahahahhahahah ever wonder why???

hahahahahaa 

I've already explained in detail

Sadly, you're just too fucking stupid to understand it

I'll say it again

If you have a point or an assertion to make then PROVE your point

don't ask someone to disprove it

[tonymctones]

I never even mentioned the monetary cost

I mentioned things that every woman will deal with or might face (i.e. death) when she get's pregnant

you're all about fairness right

you believe the current laws in this country are "unfair" to men

I'm asking you how you're going to even out the unfairness that women face when they are pregnant

It is an undeniable fact that women have a much larger burden/risk during pregnancy and childbirth

How many men have died during child birth?

LOL you drunk?

I mentioned monetary costs b/c that is a possible way to even out the "unfairness" you see...

again how can it be unfair if the guy has no say as to what the female does? its her choice not his...

but like i said paying for half of the costs would be a way to compensate her for that or a lump sum.

[tonymctones]

I've already explained in detail

Sadly, you're just too fucking stupid to understand it

I'll say it again

If you have a point or an assertion to make then PROVE your point

don't ask someone to disprove it

OMG never fucking mind you dip shit

[Straw Man]

THE IDEA OF THE ARTICLE WAS THAT PPLS VIEWS ON STRICTER RESTRICTION OF ABORTIONS HAVE CHANGED

so why did you post that graph straw? LMAO

these are the kind of questions you ask that make me think you might be kind of dumb

I was agreeing with Bum that there doesn't appear to be much of a changing trend (I added since ~ 1998) as the graph of the answer to a very basic question clearly shows

do you really not understand what

[tonymctones]

these are the kind of questions you ask that make me think you might be kind of dumb

I was agreeing with Bum that there doesn't appear to be much of a changing trend (I added since ~ 1998) as the graph of the answer to a very basic question clearly shows

do you really not understand what

LOL exactly but you see THEY TREND IN YOUR GRAPH was whether they considered themselves pro choice or pro life

the article and beaches post was about how they felt in regards stricter legislation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]


NOT THEIR STANCE ON BEING PRO CHOICE OR PRO LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Straw Man]

LOL exactly but you see THEY TREND IN YOUR GRAPH was whether they considered themselves pro choice or pro life

the article and beaches post was about how they felt in regards stricter legislation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]


NOT THEIR STANCE ON BEING PRO CHOICE OR PRO LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why the caps and bold ?

are you angry?

frustrated?

try to calm down and pay attention

I was responding to Bums statement that he wasnt' sure there was much of a changing trend

I provide a graph to show that pro-choice vs pro-life percentages hadn't really changed much since 1998

You are the one who introduced the anti-intuitive assertion that people who are pro-choice might also be for more regulation (i.e. less choice).   You provided no proof to support your claim and there is nothing in the article to support your claim.

the only portion of the article that addresses the views of a segment of the pro-choice group does not in any way support your claim and in fact shows the opposite....that they are pushing back against legislation that encrouches on their position

Abortion-rights supporters are nonetheless dismayed by their foes' clout in the House, though these measures might fail to clear the Senate, and would likely face a presidential veto if they did advance.

"We're taking all these threats very seriously," said Planned Parenthood public policy analyst Emily Stewart. "It's a crazy time, with a lot of stuff up in the air."

So.....we're left with your claim, for which you provided no evidence to support, and which makes no sense ( you never explained why pro-choice people would want less choice) and is actually contrary to the response from statement by pro-choice groups in the article......and you've asked me to essentially prove you're wrong

I can't really make this any more clear for you

if you want to make a claim then the burden of proof is on you to support your claim

[Straw Man]

LOL you drunk?

I mentioned monetary costs b/c that is a possible way to even out the "unfairness" you see...
again how can it be unfair if the guy has no say as to what the female does? its her choice not his...

but like i said paying for half of the costs would be a way to compensate her for that or a lump sum.

I didn't mention it because it's the simplest of the issues to even out

both parties need share equal financial responsiblity and that's pretty easy to figure out

Now how are you going to even out all the other issues I mentioned

your entire argument is about fairness right

here's the list again -tell me how you are going to make this fair for the woman

You're all about making things "fair" so how are we going to offset the burden that women face from pregnancy and childbirth.

The discomfort, the hormonal changes, not being able to drink,  the time off from work, the changes to their body, and the big one....the potential of death

Men don't have to deal with any of those issues.

[bears]

You're all about making things "fair" so how are we going to offset the burden that women face from pregnancy and childbirth.

The discomfort, the hormonal changes, not being able to drink,  the time off from work, the changes to their body, and the big one....the potential of death

Men don't have to deal with any of those issues.

Until we find a way that the woman can give the fetus to the man for him to carry to term then woman will always have the much larger burden and will have choices that men don't get

stop whining like a child and grow up

If you can't be responsible for your actions as an adult male then don't have sex

why can't we hold women to the same standard?  we don't.  we allow them a way out.  abortion.  there is no out for men.  that's his point.......that you keep missing.

[bears]

You're all about making things "fair" so how are we going to offset the burden that women face from pregnancy and childbirth.

The discomfort, the hormonal changes, not being able to drink,  the time off from work, the changes to their body, and the big one....the potential of death

Men don't have to deal with any of those issues.

Until we find a way that the woman can give the fetus to the man for him to carry to term then woman will always have the much larger burden and will have choices that men don't get

stop whining like a child and grow up

If you can't be responsible for your actions as an adult male then don't have sex

by the way.  thats called abstinence.  which i assume you ridicule as stupid and unrealistic.

[Soul Crusher]

by the way.  thats called abstinence.  which i assume you ridicule as stupid and unrealistic.

QFT

[Straw Man]

by the way.  thats called abstinence.  which i assume you ridicule as stupid and unrealistic.

I don't ridicule it as a personal choice

I do riducule is as the sole source of sex education/birth control education for teenagers

[Straw Man]

why can't we hold women to the same standard?  we don't.  we allow them a way out.  abortion.  there is no out for men.  that's his point.......that you keep missing.

and the point you both seem to keep missing is that they have an much larger burden than the man ....up to and including potential death

larger burden on their part = choices that the man doesn't get

[bears]

and the point you both seem to keep missing is that they have an much larger burden than the man ....up to and including potential death

larger burden on their part = choices that the man doesn't get

yes there is a danger to the mother at childbirth.  in this day and age a very very very manageable and preventable one.  don't give me that shit.  how many women died during childbirth last year?  i believe the rate is about .00013 per 100,000 births this year.

and when you have 2 parents raising children, they both have a large burden.  my wife has a large burden.  i have a large burden.  I work my ass off to be a good father.  It's not easy.  But it's worth all of it and then some.  YOU ain't going to tell ME that my wife carries a bigger burden then me.   And you best believe that i get a say in ALL of the decisions regarding my kids, and that starts at conception.   Funny thing is is that you are not a father.  You're just some feminized lib who believes that being a mother is harder than being a father because thats what the women on TV tell you every day.  Fuck you and fuck them too.

[Soul Crusher]

Ha ha ha.   

[newmom]

Hey newmom-

a/ s / L?

I'm a 47 year old unemployed electrician with male pattern baldness in Toms River NJ. You seem to know a lot about working out and politics. Is there an Arby's in your area where we could meet?

Brings back the days eh George?

55/F/Newark

I'd rather go to popeyes or White Castle for some belly bombers

[newmom]

NO NO NO, i want you to have to choice but if women get a choice to walk away from their child so should men

if its the womens choice then she and SHE ALONE(because its her choice alone) should be responsible for her actions...the man should only pay child support if he chooses to

Okay let me see if I'm grasping at straws or something. So let's say, she wants to keep the child but the man says to terminate he should be off the hook?

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding this