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yes there is a danger to the mother at childbirth.  in this day and age a very very very manageable and preventable one.  don't give me that shit.  how many women died during childbirth last year?  i believe the rate is about .00013 per 100,000 births this year.

and when you have 2 parents raising children, they both have a large burden.  my wife has a large burden.  i have a large burden.  I work my ass off to be a good father.  It's not easy.  But it's worth all of it and then some.  YOU ain't going to tell ME that my wife carries a bigger burden then me.   And you best believe that i get a say in ALL of the decisions regarding my kids, and that starts at conception.   Funny thing is is that you are not a father.  You're just some feminized lib who believes that being a mother is harder than being a father because thats what the women on TV tell you every day.  Fuck you and fuck them too.

we're not talking about parenting

we're  talking about pregnancy and childbirth

pregnancy and childbirth is a MUCH bigger burden for the woman than the man



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yes there is a danger to the mother at childbirth.  in this day and age a very very very manageable and preventable one.  don't give me that shit.  how many women died during childbirth last year?  i believe the rate is about .00013 per 100,000 births this year.

and when you have 2 parents raising children, they both have a large burden.  my wife has a large burden.  i have a large burden.  I work my ass off to be a good father.  It's not easy.  But it's worth all of it and then some.  YOU ain't going to tell ME that my wife carries a bigger burden then me.   And you best believe that i get a say in ALL of the decisions regarding my kids, and that starts at conception.   Funny thing is is that you are not a father.  You're just some feminized lib who believes that being a mother is harder than being a father because thats what the women on TV tell you every day.  Fuck you and fuck them too.

You speak the truth bears.   :)

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You speak the truth bears.   :)

which part

this is not a thread about parenting

It's about abortion

As you pointed out in your first post there doesn't seem to be any significant change the % of people who are pro choice vs those who are anti abortion (I prefer that term as it's much more accurate than "pro-life" without the obvious pejorative overtones)

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bears,

Great post and I agree as long as BOTH parents live in the same househould. But if a single mother or father has full custody then the burden shifts way more on the parent with sole custody. Not to dimenish the parent that has visitation or the alike but the burden does weigh more heavy on the custodial parent. I do believe Straw meant childbirth.

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Okay let me see if I'm grasping at straws or something. So let's say, she wants to keep the child but the man says to terminate he should be off the hook?

Please tell me I'm misunderstanding this
yup or he should pay some lump sum not a % of his pay check...

the women has the right to terminate his child right now without his say doesnt she?(rhetorical question so straw doesnt think im asking you to prove my argument)

we give women the right to walk away from the child but not the man

we could make it were the man had to split bills while she was pregnant but after that it was HER CHOICE ALONE to do so and SHE ALONE if the man chooses to "abort" the child should not be held responsible


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bears,

Great post and I agree as long as BOTH parents live in the same househould. But if a single mother or father has full custody then the burden shifts way more on the parent with sole custody. Not to dimenish the parent that has visitation or the alike but the burden does weigh more heavy on the custodial parent. I do believe Straw meant childbirth.

thats the only thing I've been talking about and the only point of my post was to refute the ridiculous view that Tony holds that the woman has some unfair advantage over men.

If you're a responsible adult man (or a woman)  then you know the rules before you start playing the game

if you don't like the rules then don't play the game

when the day comes when the woman can give the fetus to the man for him to carry and deliver then we can change the rules

until that time the woman will always have the larger burden in pregnancy than the man and will have the option of getting an abortion

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yup or he should pay some lump sum not a % of his pay check...

the women has the right to terminate his child right now without his say doesnt she?(rhetorical question so straw doesnt think im asking you to prove my argument)

we give women the right to walk away from the child but not the man

we could make it were the man had to split bills while she was pregnant but after that it was HER CHOICE ALONE to do so and SHE ALONE if the man chooses to "abort" the child should not be held responsible



honestly, I think the woman should inform the father. If they can't agree on what to do, then he gets to walk away free. LOVELY...Also, if an abortion is to be done, I think both parents should be made to sign something that says that. How someone can walk away from a child is beyond my relm of comprehension.

She didn't open her legs and knock herself up. Just because a man doesn't want a child but if you play and weren't taking precautions, then both should be responsible if one or both want to keep the child.

I don't agree with the lump sum thing. But that's your opinion and appreciate it

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yup or he should pay some lump sum not a % of his pay check...

the women has the right to terminate his child right now without his say doesnt she?(rhetorical question so straw doesnt think im asking you to prove my argument)

we give women the right to walk away from the child but not the man
we could make it were the man had to split bills while she was pregnant but after that it was HER CHOICE ALONE to do so and SHE ALONE if the man chooses to "abort" the child should not be held responsible



we give the woman the right to walk away for BOTH of them

it's not like she can walk away (have an abortion) and he is still on the line

maybe if the woman doesn't want to be pregant she can just give the fertilized egg to the man and he can do whatever he wants with it

that would be fair don't you think?


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A friend of mine really didn't want a child but the father sure as hell did. She kept it and turned over the child right at birth. Never saw the child again not even after delivery She pays the father monthly because she believes that is the fair thing to do and they never once went to court. She was on birth control as well.

I think it most cases people will act like responsible adults and be guided by their own values on how to handle this type of situation


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A friend of mine really didn't want a child but the father sure as hell did. She kept it and turned over the child right at birth. Never saw the child again not even after delivery She pays the father monthly because she believes that is the fair thing to do and they never once went to court. She was on birth control as well.
as do I but then again i also think the right thing to do if you get pregnant and your health isnt at risk is to have the child.

as of right now the rights arent equal, She made the decision to have the baby, not him SHE DID

if she had decided to not have the baby, what would the father have gotten? SHAFT

and if she wants the baby and he doesnt...SHAFT

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I think it most cases people will act like responsible adults and be guided by their own values on how to handle this type of situation



I'm not sure about that

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we give the woman the right to walk away for BOTH of them

it's not like she can walk away (have an abortion) and he is still on the line

maybe if the woman doesn't want to be pregant she can just give the fertilized egg to the man and he can do whatever he wants with it

that would be fair don't you think?


LOL would you make the woman pay child support?

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thats the only thing I've been talking about and the only point of my post was to refute the ridiculous view that Tony holds that the woman has some unfair advantage over men.

If you're a responsible adult man (or a woman)  then you know the rules before you start playing the game

if you don't like the rules then don't play the game

when the day comes when the woman can give the fetus to the man for him to carry and deliver then we can change the rules

until that time the woman will always have the larger burden in pregnancy than the man and will have the option of getting an abortion
LOL sorry bro 9 months gestation doesnt equal 18 years of child support payments  ::)

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as do I but then again i also think the right thing to do if you get pregnant and your health isnt at risk is to have the child.

as of right now the rights arent equal, She made the decision to have the baby, not him SHE DID

if she had decided to not have the baby, what would the father have gotten? SHAFT

and if she wants the baby and he doesnt...SHAFT

Okay. Like I said before, I firmly (didn't say firmly earlier) believe should sign some sort of document should be signed both acknowledging terminating the unborn fetus. If she doesn't want shit from him then don't put his name on the birth certificate. So if both parties don't want the child but the mother is on birth control, they should have put the child up for adoption?. You do know how many kids are in the system at the present time.

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Okay. Like I said before, I firmly (didn't say firmly earlier) believe should sign some sort of document should be signed both acknowledging terminating the unborn fetus. If she doesn't want shit from him then don't put his name on the birth certificate. So if both parties don't want the child but the mother is on birth control, they should have put the child up for adoption?. You do know how many kids are in the system at the present time.
sorry mom but modern contraception is 99.999% effective and the VAST VAST MAJORITY of abortions are elective and not for health purposes...

meaning that of those elective abortions in the US 99.999% were preventable...

this makes your scenario very very obscure

I agree with you though on the number of kids within the system and if im ever in a place financially to afford it i will certainly adopt

but that fact doesnt validate the unfairness in the systme mom

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im not for making women have children, what i am for is giving men more rights within the system without infringing on the womens rights

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LOL would you make the woman pay child support?

I know women who pay alimony and child support



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as do I but then again i also think the right thing to do if you get pregnant and your health isnt at risk is to have the child.

as of right now the rights arent equal, She made the decision to have the baby, not him SHE DID

if she had decided to not have the baby, what would the father have gotten? SHAFT

and if she wants the baby and he doesnt...SHAFT

and when she's pregnant their situation isn't equal either

I think I might have pointed that out one or two time already

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I know women who pay alimony and child support



i know men that do as well, whats your point?

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and when she's pregnant their situation isn't equal either

I think I might have pointed that out one or two time already
Which i agree with, WHICH IS ALSO WHY i said to support her during the pregnancy...


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Hey Tony,

You'll be happy to know there is no shortage of deadbeat dads in this country

This guy has nine kids and I'm guessing the taxpayers have probably helped to pay to raise them which I'm sure makes you very happy


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Which i agree with, WHICH IS ALSO WHY i said to support her during the pregnancy...

and after pregancy you and I and the rest of the tax payers can support the kid while the "dad" goes out and helps create 8 more

sounds good comrade

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and after pregancy you and I and the rest of the tax payers can support the kid while the "dad" goes out and helps create 8 more

sounds good comrade
HAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

youre really living up to your name strawman...


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i know men that do as well, whats your point?

my point ?

you asked me the question

remember ?

LOL would you make the woman pay child support?

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HAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
youre really living up to your name strawman...

I guess from your laughter you're telling us you're fine with the taxpayer paying to raise the children of deadbeat dads

great plan you got there