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[tonymctones]

I guess from your laughter you're telling us you're fine with the taxpayer paying to raise the children of deadbeat dads

great plan you got there

yes straw thats all a part of my master plan 

id like everyone to take responsibility for their children men AND WOMEN!!!

but just b/c some guys choose not to take care of their children DOESNT NEGATE THE UNFAIRNESS or JUSTIFY IT

[Straw Man]

yes straw thats all a part of my master plan  

id like everyone to take responsibility for their children men AND WOMEN!!!

but just b/c some guys choose not to take care of their children DOESNT NEGATE THE UNFAIRNESS or JUSTIFY IT

really ?

so let's just say crack head Ted never really wanted those 9 kids he fathered

he's just a poor victim of his hornyness

he shouldn't have to pay to support his kids

the rest of us should have to pay instead

that's much more fair

[tonymctones]

really ?

so let's just say crack head Ted never really wanted those 9 kids he fathered

he's just a poor victim of his hornyness

he shouldn't have to pay to support his kids

the rest of us should have to pay instead

that's much more fair

again strawman argument

no he should have to pay for his children and thats the way it is, thats why we have courts to force ppl to pay...

lol and what of the potential fathers that wanted children that were denied by the mothers who had abortions?

[Straw Man]

again strawman argument

no he should have to pay for his children and thats the way it is, thats why we have courts to force ppl to pay...
lol and what of the potential fathers that wanted children that were denied by the mothers who had abortions?

make up your mind

LOL sorry bro 9 months gestation doesnt equal 18 years of child support payments 

[tonymctones]

make up your mind

LOL bro goodness gracious I feel he should have to pay for his children I also feel that if a women is pregnant she should have to have the child unless its for medical reasons...

but if youre going to allow the mother the opportunity to walk away you should logically give the man a chance to walk away...

did you notice the question under that first statement you quoted?

it alluded to that point there buddy 

[George Whorewell]

Wait a second.

Is relentless socialist Strawgirl arguing that the best way to prevent poor, uneducated slobs from increasing the national debt and draining this country's budget, is to prevent them from reproducing in the first place?

Gee whiz-- instead of killing the baby, why not simply shoot all poor people so they can't reproduce?

But then a thought emerges-- The democratic party would become obsolete over night. So, for Dems the next best thing is to promote abortion. That way they can cut the legs off of organized religion and claim they are fighting for reproductive rights as well. Pretty ingenuous. However, it is organized religion that preaches abstinence in the first place; seemingly there is a catch 22.

But... we are talking about liberals here. Contradictions are a source of their strength and ideology.

[Straw Man]

LOL bro goodness gracious I feel he should have to pay for his children I also feel that if a women is pregnant she should have to have the child unless its for medical reasons...

but if youre going to allow the mother the opportunity to walk away you should logically give the man a chance to walk away...

did you notice the question under that first statement you quoted?

it alluded to that point there buddy 

was does "walk away" mean to you in terms of the Dad and in terms of the Mother

do you mean the same thing in both cases?

[Straw Man]

Wait a second.

Is relentless socialist Strawgirl arguing that the best way to prevent poor, uneducated slobs from increasing the national debt and draining this country's budget, is to prevent them from reproducing in the first place?
Gee whiz-- instead of killing the baby, why not simply shoot all poor people so they can't reproduce?

But then a thought emerges-- The democratic party would become obsolete over night. So, for Dems the next best thing is to promote abortion. That way they can cut the legs off of organized religion and claim they are fighting for reproductive rights as well. Pretty ingenuous. However, it is organized religion that preaches abstinence in the first place; seemingly there is a catch 22.

But... we are talking about liberals here. Contradictions are a source of their strength and ideology.

of course not but given that you're a moron it's not suprising you would think so

I'll make it so easy that even you can understand it

I'm for leaving things exactly the way they are right now

[tonymctones]

was does "walk away" mean to you in terms of the Dad and in terms of the Mother

do you mean the same thing in both cases?

goodness gracious bro weve gone over this to many times to count

the mother aborts the child

seeing as men cannot physically abort the child, they should be given a equal option...as in doing away with any financial obligation to the child in return for giving up any legal right to that child

[tonymctones]

of course not but given that you're a moron it's not suprising you would think so

I'll make it so easy that even you can understand it

I'm for leaving things exactly the way they are right now

only a moron would think that i am for dead beat dads

[George Whorewell]

of course not but given that you're a moron it's not suprising you would think so

I'll make it so easy that even you can understand it

I'm for leaving things exactly the way they are right now

So killing the babies of poor uneducated slobs is preferable to prevent them from reproducing? How about sterility for all non whites earning less than 45k per year? That seems like something you would support.

[Straw Man]

only a moron would think that i am for dead beat dads

fine then let's button this up

In spite of what you've written below I know you're going to tell me you're not in favor of forcing women to give birth if they don't want the child

correct?

LOL bro goodness gracious I feel he should have to pay for his children I also feel that if a women is pregnant she should have to have the child unless its for medical reasons...but if youre going to allow the mother the opportunity to walk away you should logically give the man a chance to walk away...

[LurkerNoMore]

again strawman argument

no he should have to pay for his children and thats the way it is, thats why we have courts to force ppl to pay...

lol and what of the potential fathers that wanted children that were denied by the mothers who had abortions?

So you are basically saying that only selective fathers can have the right to walk from the obligation and responsibility to pay for their children, but not Crackhead Ted?

On what basis is this founded and considered a balanced measure of who can and can't have this option extended to them under your scenario?

[Straw Man]

So killing the babies of poor uneducated slobs is preferable to prevent them from reproducing? How about sterility for all non whites earning less than 45k per year? That seems like something you would support.

when did I mention anything about killing babies or people who are poor or uneducated?

when did I mention sterility

when did I mention anyones race?

I said I was fine with the way things are right now

what part of that don't you understand?

[tonymctones]

fine then let's button this up

In spite of what you've written below I know you're going to tell me you're not in favor of forcing women to give birth if they don't want the child

correct?

ok lets straighten this out for your ignorant ass

i personally feel that you shouldnt have an abortion if its not for medical reasons, i personally feel that you should take care of your children man or woman...

I dont feel comfortable putting MY PERSONAL beliefs on you or someone else for that matter.

my personal beliefs have nothing to do with the unfairness in the system b/c im not putting those beliefs into my opinions of the system...

[newmom]

how bout them cowboys

[tonymctones]

So you are basically saying that only selective fathers can have the right to walk from the obligation and responsibility to pay for their children, but not Crackhead Ted?

On what basis is this founded and considered a balanced measure of who can and can't have this option extended to them under your scenario?

no, im saying if the mother has the right to walk away so should the father

read my above post in regards to straw and your misunderstandings...

we are being selective right now on who can and cant walk away...

[Straw Man]

ok lets straighten this out for your ignorant ass

i personally feel that you shouldnt have an abortion if its not for medical reasons, i personally feel that you should take care of your children man or woman...

I dont feel comfortable putting MY PERSONAL beliefs on you or someone else for that matter.

my personal beliefs have nothing to do with the unfairness in the system b/c im not putting those beliefs into my opinions of the system...

yes, we know your personal views on abortion already

you're against it

Isn't the fact that it's legal and at the discretion of the woman the premise for your belief that the man is being treated unfairly?

 

im not for making women have children, what i am for is giving men more rights within the system without infringing on the womens rights

[bears]

we're not talking about parenting

we're  talking about pregnancy and childbirth

pregnancy and childbirth is a MUCH bigger burden for the woman than the man

OK yes i guess you're right.  Labor is harder for them.  But you think that because the actual hour of labor is harder on my wife I should have no say in anything that has to do with MY child?  I should just shut the fuck up and pay for everything and thank her for letting me be a part of her and her child's life?  This is seriously like arguing with my old psycho girlfriend in college.  This shit that you are saying makes sense to you?  Do you have any opinions of your own or do you just refer to Rachel Maddow for any and all questions on life?

[Straw Man]

OK yes i guess you're right.  Labor is harder for them.  But you think that because the actual hour of labor is harder on my wife I should have no say in anything that has to do with MY child?  I should just shut the fuck up and pay for everything and thank her for letting me be a part of her and her child's life?  This is seriously like arguing with my old psycho girlfriend in college.  This shit that you are saying makes sense to you?  Do you have any opinions of your own or do you just refer to Rachel Maddow for any and all questions on life?

btw - pregnancy is more than just an hour of labor

All I've done is advocate for exactly the ways things are right now

you do see that right?

I dont' get the feeling you're the kind of person who would be careless enough to get someone pregant or irresponsible enough not to take care of his own kid if he did

[bears]

btw - pregnancy is more than just an hour of labor

All I've done is advocate for exactly the ways things are right now

you do see that right?

I dont' get the feeling you're the kind of person who would be careless enough to get someone pregant or irresponsible enough not to take care of his own kid if he did

i see your point.  I just vehemently disagree with just about everything you have to say on abortion.  And i'm just being a dick cuz i'm having a long day.  I apologize. 

[Straw Man]

i see your point.  I just vehemently disagree with just about everything you have to say on abortion.  And i'm just being a dick cuz i'm having a long day.  I apologize. 

dude - no need to apologize and I don't think you're being a dick at all

I'm pro choice and I presume you're not

no big deal

[tonymctones]

yes, we know your personal views on abortion already

you're against it

Isn't the fact that it's legal and at the discretion of the woman the premise for your belief that the man is being treated unfairly?

 

are you asking me to prove your argument? 

you know the answer to that question

if you already know my personal beliefs then why ask me about them and continue to bring them into this discussion?

try to stay on topic bro

[tonymctones]

btw - pregnancy is more than just an hour of labor

All I've done is advocate for exactly the ways things are right now

you do see that right?

I dont' get the feeling you're the kind of person who would be careless enough to get someone pregant or irresponsible enough not to take care of his own kid if he did

the point is he doesnt HAVE THE CHOICE if she chooses not to let him

[Straw Man]

the point is he doesnt HAVE THE CHOICE if she chooses not to let him

yes - we know that already

isn't that the source of the "unfairness" that you perceive in the current system?