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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2011, 08:34:08 PM »
Hell yes!!!! I love it when someone destroys all the myths about having to eat shit loads of food and protein AND over training. Other than the fat burners this is what I have done with a ton of the guys I have trained and it works everytime. It's just a matter of slight adjustments to your calories and obviously supps. Props to Buselmo.  :)

no offence to you and or anyone on this board but this poor fella would barely beat Vince G on stage. So whats the point.

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2011, 08:35:10 PM »
real truth and honesty and good progress,1st pic was clean?and for how long.and you compete steady or take breaks.

yeah... jsut to make it clear... i've been off of everything (drugs, training, diet) and eating junk for 4.5 months in the before pics. but i usually do that every year (take 2-3 months off of everything) and it takes me about 5 months to get to contest shape with 1500 mg gear, GH, slin, fat burners, and 6 meals per day with only 1 cheat day. this time around, i'm getting much faster results while starting out fatter (last time i was as fat as the before pics was around 6 years ago), no GH, and only 3 meals a day with less than 1 gr per lb of protein...


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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2011, 08:37:13 PM »
Nice post, but lost respect for you when you got to the drug protocol part

I competed natural once in 2005 before i started gearing up... I'm not too keen on looking like an ethiopian refugee.
just a personal choice...
but losing respect, means having respect before that... and i appreciate that although you don't even know me ;)

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2011, 08:53:36 PM »
while the numbers are high you have to factor what UG lab he gets his clen and t3 from as well

T3 is HG, clen is global... doubt their fake.

bulsemo how was your strength during the diet/transformation?

I use very moderate weights... incline db presses with 70 lb dumbbells... 185 lb flat bench press... 135 lb squats... 135 lb barbell rows...
last week i wanted to see where my strength was... and i inclined pressed 115 lb dumbbells (that's as high as the ones in the gym will go) for 15 reps (well, 14.5 :)) ... 6 reps of 455 lb squats (was a bad idea, hurt my knee), close grip bench with 275 lbs for 14 reps...

i'm stronger than i used to be when i prepared for contests...


great post buselmo.

food for thought- even though you had not used GH to make this progress, do you believe that someone who has never used it before could make the kind of gains you are seeing?

i think a lot of guys who have used GH long enough can go off for periods and still experience tremendous growth.



if we're talking about 4 iu per day... the fat loss will be fast. keeping/gaining muscle won't be the GH though... the anabolics will do it for you.

and in that last sentence, do you mean when they go off GH and gear? cuz that's impossible.

OK, I see I misread on the juice dosages so yeah, that is pretty reasonable.  As for the clen, and ephedrine.....HOLY FUCKING SHIT!  is all I can say.

I think back to when I used to get spiropent years ago.  They were 20mcg pills in 10 pack foil strips.  Noone would have ever thought back then to be crazy enough to take more than 1 1/2 strips per day.....and then to stack 5 ephedrine pills on top of it???  Jeezus dude, you should keep a defibrilator with how to use instructions in a backpack with you at all times.  I'd type LOL, but I am seriously scared for you.  Just cause you have a "very high tolerance" for those things as far as jitters and shit goes, DOES NOT MEAN that you aren't doing some serious damage to your heart dude.

Be careful dude!

thanks for your concern bro... really appreciate it... but trust me, when you become honest about your own use and tell others what you do, you'll get the "yeah... that's kinda like what i do when i prep, but i use a little more T3"... otherwise, if you ask... no one ever went above 120 mcg clen and 100 mcg T3.

i have to admit... the first couple of days you increase the dose, the sides are horrible... 3-4 days after that, it's like you're taking nothing. atleast for me that is...

and you have to remember that i just started that dose and will be there for 3.5 more weeks then bring it down to minute amount... started off with 50 mcg T3 and 80 mcg clen with no ephedrine and went up from there.


the way to cover them legs up! Wheels your size are generally found only in the wheel chair shows. 

nice to see people in the leg worshiping department come outta the woodworks...
I already posted pics of my legs on this forum  ;)

Can you kind of summarize your main point? Is the idea that working out longer and keeping diet very simple is best?

main point is that i got even better results eating little protein, low cals, training a lot, and taking drugs.
that's basically it.

Ok, so what you're telling me is, that increasing anabolic drug amount will improve nutrient partitioning and lower food intake will increase feed/digestion efficiency by ways of not slowing down the entire digestive system will ungodly amounts of pointless excess protein, carbs, fiber, and fats?


Because I've got a 3 cups of oatmeal, 2 cups of rice with 6tbsp of olive oil, 16oz of chicken, and a 75g whey shake here that's about to be my "meal 3", and I just want to grow man...




Good work.  ;)

what i'm telling you is "me hungry... eat beef... MUSKIL SMASH!!!... steroid make big... make fat bye bye"



Buselmo great work bro  8)
Are you still eating whatever you want on the weekends ?

yup... I don't stuff myself silly though... I eat til i'm about 1/2-3/4 full of whatever i want... then i wait 3 or 4 hours and eat again cuz i'm starving :) ... and so on.

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2011, 09:13:14 PM »
You said that you ate 6 meals and then changed to 3 meals - 180 grams of protein a day...do you find that this is too low for your bodyweight at 85-90kg and did you try with higher protein intake?

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2011, 09:45:17 PM »
You said that you ate 6 meals and then changed to 3 meals - 180 grams of protein a day...do you find that this is too low for your bodyweight at 85-90kg and did you try with higher protein intake?

in previous preps i ate 6 meals... from the moment i started in late october/early november, i was only eating 3 meals a day...

I used to eat 250+ grams of protein back then... now, at 180 grams, i feel like my stomach is smaller and i don't feel bloated at all. when i used to eat 6 meals, at this condition, my waist used to be around 33.5 inches... now it's 32... at the same weight. I feel and look much better on less than 200 grams.

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2011, 09:54:40 PM »
buselmo i thought you were against test  ???

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2011, 10:05:11 PM »
buselmo i thought you were against test  ???

i am.... and i hate that shit... but when you're broke, and you have a shit ton of amps of test laying around... it's better to use them than nothing at all  :'(

me haz no moneyz now...
doing the cycle that i want would cost around $1500... i'd rather pay nothing and get what shitty test has to offer for free.

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2011, 10:13:04 PM »
that sucks,

if i was rich i'd send you some cash to afford you cycle  ;)

good guy here guys!

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2011, 11:29:47 PM »
buselmo...do you use diet sodas or any sweeteners and condiments in your diet?

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2011, 11:48:07 PM »
buselmo...do you use diet sodas or any sweeteners and condiments in your diet?

lots of ketchup with my burgers and and kababs... spices ofcourse... 2 or 3 diet sodas...
sometimes i'm in the mood for tea and milk and i just use regular sugar and condensed milk to make a cup or two.

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2011, 12:44:52 AM »
that sucks,

if i was rich i'd send you some cash to afford you cycle  ;)

good guy here guys!

X2, really good guy :D
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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2011, 05:03:03 AM »
look, I understand where you are coming from guys but this thread only proves that drugs work.


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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2011, 06:28:20 AM »
the bolded is supposed to be sarcastic, right??


Really dude?

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2011, 06:35:31 AM »
no offence to you and or anyone on this board but this poor fella would barely beat Vince G on stage. So whats the point.
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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2011, 09:59:02 AM »
lots of ketchup with my burgers and and kababs... spices ofcourse... 2 or 3 diet sodas...
sometimes i'm in the mood for tea and milk and i just use regular sugar and condensed milk to make a cup or two.
thanks...
Also, do you reccommend deca for cutting...along with a good diet of course...if i recall correctly you said something like using 1 grm of deca and 250mg test is better than 1g of test and 400mg deca. for "quality" in the physique.

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2011, 12:57:01 PM »
thanks...
Also, do you reccommend deca for cutting...along with a good diet of course...if i recall correctly you said something like using 1 grm of deca and 250mg test is better than 1g of test and 400mg deca. for "quality" in the physique.
do it mutherfucker !!!
you have all the deca you want 8)

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2011, 10:14:27 PM »
thanks...
Also, do you reccommend deca for cutting...along with a good diet of course...if i recall correctly you said something like using 1 grm of deca and 250mg test is better than 1g of test and 400mg deca. for "quality" in the physique.

i wouldn't recommend it for cutting, but i'd recommend it over test any day.

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2011, 11:53:43 PM »


and in that last sentence, do you mean when they go off GH and gear? cuz that's impossible.


no, just the gh.
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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2011, 12:06:22 AM »
do it mutherfucker !!!
you have all the deca you want 8)
:D

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2011, 12:08:57 AM »
i wouldn't recommend it for cutting, but i'd recommend it over test any day.

im using NPP now- great for cutting- just a fucking amazing compound altogether. if this keeps up it'll take away my number one spot reserved for tren ace.
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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2011, 06:01:14 AM »
Great post Buselmo,thanks for sharing with us:)

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2011, 06:17:53 AM »
im using NPP now- great for cutting- just a fucking amazing compound altogether. if this keeps up it'll take away my number one spot reserved for tren ace.

damn really ??
tren ace (or enanthate) fucking rocks

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Re: 3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results
« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2011, 06:59:06 AM »
T3 is HG, clen is global... doubt their fake.

I use very moderate weights... incline db presses with 70 lb dumbbells... 185 lb flat bench press... 135 lb squats... 135 lb barbell rows... last week i wanted to see where my strength was... and i inclined pressed 115 lb dumbbells (that's as high as the ones in the gym will go) for 15 reps (well, 14.5 :)) ... 6 reps of 455 lb squats (was a bad idea, hurt my knee), close grip bench with 275 lbs for 14 reps...

i'm stronger than i used to be when i prepared for contests...


if we're talking about 4 iu per day... the fat loss will be fast. keeping/gaining muscle won't be the GH though... the anabolics will do it for you.

and in that last sentence, do you mean when they go off GH and gear? cuz that's impossible.

thanks for your concern bro... really appreciate it... but trust me, when you become honest about your own use and tell others what you do, you'll get the "yeah... that's kinda like what i do when i prep, but i use a little more T3"... otherwise, if you ask... no one ever went above 120 mcg clen and 100 mcg T3.

i have to admit... the first couple of days you increase the dose, the sides are horrible... 3-4 days after that, it's like you're taking nothing. atleast for me that is...

and you have to remember that i just started that dose and will be there for 3.5 more weeks then bring it down to minute amount... started off with 50 mcg T3 and 80 mcg clen with no ephedrine and went up from there.


nice to see people in the leg worshiping department come outta the woodworks...
I already posted pics of my legs on this forum  ;)

main point is that i got even better results eating little protein, low cals, training a lot, and taking drugs.
that's basically it.

what i'm telling you is "me hungry... eat beef... MUSKIL SMASH!!!... steroid make big... make fat bye bye"



yup... I don't stuff myself silly though... I eat til i'm about 1/2-3/4 full of whatever i want... then i wait 3 or 4 hours and eat again cuz i'm starving :) ... and so on.

You say that you use moderate weights, but for someone your size, these are infact very light weights.  Do you feel that you would have better results if you trained heavier with more intensity?  I mean your squats and bb rows must feel as light as a feather?  I was just curious because u mentioned that you're a lazy trainer?