3 meals... 180 grams of protein... overtrain... and good results

[Stavios]

i like how buselmo is destroying many "natural athletes" dreams on here with his cumshots of truth.


keep it up man.

haha but Buselmo have good response to the juice also

I take more stuff than he does and he is much bigger

[Heavy_Hitter]

Buselmo is a great guy always brings the truth to the table! He does it on Promuscle, though I know some of the "trainers" there hate him for it, BigA the owner is very proud! Yes if you ever go on that board and want to fit in, you have to remember a few things. The biggest guys on Promuscle use the smallest amounts of gear, anyone trained by D.C. never goes above a gram, and most his pro client (though he says he has never trained anyone in years) are on HRT doses. If you are under 200lbs on that board, you are using 1-2 grms a week of test and 40IU's of slin, you are making up for your horrible genetics. Food is the choice of anabolic for everyone you see near a pro physique, yes they have 75 plus steroid sponsors but that's only because the little guys need them to break 180lbs on the scale and that's carbed up to the max and a pocket full of coins.


Buselmo brings a little GH15 there once in a while and shuts people up. He's been trained with the "in the know" people on that board, so they won't ever refute what he says because they know he can point more than one finger back at them.


Bus, good to see you man, looking jacked as hell. Like I said bro, you are ever hear I'll have my cook, make you some of the best Deca Double Doubles in town. hahahah


I'll send you a PM soon, we gotta catch up Habibi!

[Meso_z]

buselmo basically you dieted for 4 days a week? sat-sun-mon-tue-wed(till night)? wed night through friday night you ate whatever you wanted? What kind of diet is that. 

bump..

[buselmo]

buselmo basically you dieted for 4 days a week? sat-sun-mon-tue-wed(till night)? wed night through friday night you ate whatever you wanted? What kind of diet is that. 

yes... that's what i did...
and it's called the no bullshit, be happy, stop lying to people, get better results, and be fucking social diet

I just call it a "diet" cuz it's organized in a way... bodybuilders have this fascination with being "different"... not knowing that they suck ass and people stop inviting them to dinner, parties, and get togethers because they know they'll either say "no i'm dieting", or even worse... show up with tupperware filled with boiled chicken breasts and brown rice craving attention and think people will say "wow! you're so disciplined and strict! you're a god amongst men!" not knowing that people are actually saying "fucking douchebag brought his own fucked up food? what kind of a retard is this" then they whisper to the host "dude, don't invite this guy anymore... he's really ruining the mood"

Buselmo is a great guy always brings the truth to the table! He does it on Promuscle, though I know some of the "trainers" there hate him for it, BigA the owner is very proud! Yes if you ever go on that board and want to fit in, you have to remember a few things. The biggest guys on Promuscle use the smallest amounts of gear, anyone trained by D.C. never goes above a gram, and most his pro client (though he says he has never trained anyone in years) are on HRT doses. If you are under 200lbs on that board, you are using 1-2 grms a week of test and 40IU's of slin, you are making up for your horrible genetics. Food is the choice of anabolic for everyone you see near a pro physique, yes they have 75 plus steroid sponsors but that's only because the little guys need them to break 180lbs on the scale and that's carbed up to the max and a pocket full of coins.


Buselmo brings a little GH15 there once in a while and shuts people up. He's been trained with the "in the know" people on that board, so they won't ever refute what he says because they know he can point more than one finger back at them.


Bus, good to see you man, looking jacked as hell. Like I said bro, you are ever hear I'll have my cook, make you some of the best Deca Double Doubles in town. hahahah


I'll send you a PM soon, we gotta catch up Habibi!

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOL
sooooooooooooo true about the PM comments! hahahahahahahahahah

i'd sad man... before 2003 or 2004, that place looked awesome (i was there after that, but i checked out the old posts)... some people are retarded enough to say "i'm on 2 grams of test and 6 iu of GH and slin and growing like a weed!" and they're contest weight is 200-210 lbs at 5'10 back in 2002...
then in 2008 or 2009 they say "i can't believe these idiots need more than 750 mg test and some humanofort just to break 220 lbs! you guys just don't have the genetics and depend too much on gear... I compete at 240 lbs and i never ever went up over 800 mg and 2 iu GH".... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

and it's funny when a "guy" recommends 2 grams test and some tren and counts the protein in oats 10 years ago, then when you point that out he says it was taken out of context yada yada yada I can maintain my weight with 125 mg of test if i keep my protein at 17 metric tons blah blah blah... 

but thanks for the kind words brudda  ... means a lot to me.

[buselmo]

haha but Buselmo have good response to the juice also

I take more stuff than he does and he is much bigger

if you saw how i looked like after 2 cycles, you wouldn't say that

2 things...
Dose
Time

inversely proportional

[Meso_z]

yes... that's what i did...
and it's called the no bullshit, be happy, stop lying to people, get better results, and be fucking social diet

I just call it a "diet" cuz it's organized in a way... bodybuilders have this fascination with being "different"... not knowing that they suck ass and people stop inviting them to dinner, parties, and get togethers because they know they'll either say "no i'm dieting", or even worse... show up with tupperware filled with boiled chicken breasts and brown rice craving attention and think people will say "wow! you're so disciplined and strict! you're a god amongst men!" not knowing that people are actually saying "fucking douchebag brought his own fucked up food? what kind of a retard is this" then they whisper to the host "dude, don't invite this guy anymore... he's really ruining the mood"




LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOL
sooooooooooooo true about the PM comments! hahahahahahahahahah

i'd sad man... before 2003 or 2004, that place looked awesome (i was there after that, but i checked out the old posts)... some people are retarded enough to say "i'm on 2 grams of test and 6 iu of GH and slin and growing like a weed!" and they're contest weight is 200-210 lbs at 5'10 back in 2002...
then in 2008 or 2009 they say "i can't believe these idiots need more than 750 mg test and some humanofort just to break 220 lbs! you guys just don't have the genetics and depend too much on gear... I compete at 240 lbs and i never ever went up over 800 mg and 2 iu GH".... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

and it's funny when a "guy" recommends 2 grams test and some tren and counts the protein in oats 10 years ago, then when you point that out he says it was taken out of context yada yada yada I can maintain my weight with 125 mg of test if i keep my protein at 17 metric tons blah blah blah... 

but thanks for the kind words brudda  ... means a lot to me.

You fucker and you got away with that diet?   

seriously, those days of "cheating" how many cals approximately do you estimate you consumed throughout the day?

[Van_Bilderass]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOL
sooooooooooooo true about the PM comments! hahahahahahahahahah

i'd sad man... before 2003 or 2004, that place looked awesome (i was there after that, but i checked out the old posts)... some people are retarded enough to say "i'm on 2 grams of test and 6 iu of GH and slin and growing like a weed!" and they're contest weight is 200-210 lbs at 5'10 back in 2002...
then in 2008 or 2009 they say "i can't believe these idiots need more than 750 mg test and some humanofort just to break 220 lbs! you guys just don't have the genetics and depend too much on gear... I compete at 240 lbs and i never ever went up over 800 mg and 2 iu GH".... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

and it's funny when a "guy" recommends 2 grams test and some tren and counts the protein in oats 10 years ago, then when you point that out he says it was taken out of context yada yada yada I can maintain my weight with 125 mg of test if i keep my protein at 17 metric tons blah blah blah...  

but thanks for the kind words brudda  ... means a lot to me.

Emeric is the funniest guy there. Doesn't matter who is asking questions, what their stats and goals are, he will recommend things like 30mg of test 3 times per week max.

Or someone asking about GH, then Emeric comes in saying "you don't need GH". Again, doesn't matter if guy is a competitor or whatever.

Everyone needs chicken embryo extract though.  

Also, if everyone took the "vets" advice there there would be no professionalmuscle. Who is in "need" (in their view) of hormones on that board? Maybe b-boy and a couple of others. But since they only use a couple of cc's of test and can't afford GH and often say they have prescriptions this would in no way support the dozens of sponsors there.

It's a business after all. And not a business of selling to top amateurs and pros ordering 1 bottle of test every 6 months. 

[Meso_z]

Emeric is the funniest guy there. Doesn't matter who is asking questions, what their stats and goals are, he will recommend things like 30mg of test 3 times per week max.

Or someone asking about GH, then Emeric comes in saying "you don't need GH". Again, doesn't matter if guy is a competitor or whatever.

Everyone needs chicken embryo extract though. 

Dont forget the "Lean Beef Aminos"..

[Van_Bilderass]

Dont forget the "Lean Beef Aminos"..

Phil is a guy who is sometimes serious and gives straight answers and oftentimes just playing around, probably because of the contempt he feels for the average poster. Lean Beef Aminos was one of those where he was BSing for fun to sell product. He was saying how it contained natural igf-1 and was made of cow fetus blood. Only a while later I realized he was just kidding around. 

He used to say the product wasn't just hydrolyzed collagen, it was very "special". It wasn't until Dante Doggcrapp started making his product and stated it was just collagen that the joke was up. 

It's still very special though. 

[Meso_z]

Phil is a guy who is sometimes serious and gives straight answers and oftentimes just playing around, probably because of the contempt he feels for the average poster. Lean Beef Aminos was one of those where he was BSing for fun to sell product. He was saying how it contained natural igf-1 and was made of cow fetus blood. Only a while later I realized he was just kidding around. 

He used to say the product wasn't just hydrolyzed collagen, it was very "special". It wasn't until Dante Doggcrapp started making his product and stated it was just collagen that the joke was up. 

It's still very special though. 

[Stavios]

Emeric is the funniest guy there. Doesn't matter who is asking questions, what their stats and goals are, he will recommend things like 30mg of test 3 times per week max.

Or someone asking about GH, then Emeric comes in saying "you don't need GH". Again, doesn't matter if guy is a competitor or whatever.

Everyone needs chicken embryo extract though.  

Also, if everyone took the "vets" advice there there would be no professionalmuscle. Who is in "need" (in their view) of hormones on that board? Maybe b-boy and a couple of others. But since they only use a couple of cc's of test and can't afford GH and often say they have prescriptions this would in no way support the dozens of sponsors there.

It's a business after all. And not a business of selling to top amateurs and pros ordering 1 bottle of test every 6 months. 

I think that B-Boy dude is the only poster on the bodybuilding boards that is more arrogant than Tdizzle

[tbombz]

I think that B-Boy dude is the only poster on the bodybuilding boards that is more arrogant than Tdizzle

I'm not arrogant !!!!!!     There's people all over the world who are smarter, richer, better looking, better built, better people, bigger dick, etc than me.


This is get big, we are supposed to be confrontational, and my persona here is guru extraordinare.

[Stavios]

I'm not arrogant !!!!!!     There's people all over the world who are smarter, richer, better looking, better built, better people, bigger dick, etc than me.


This is get big, we are supposed to be confrontational, and my persona here is guru extraordinare.

haha I swear to god bro sometimes I see your posts and I start laughing out loud, not much at what you say but the way you say it 

[disco_stu]

I wish!!!
i don't have money for GHona... just sustanona and trenobologna...  
much faster fat burning with GHona

you calculated it wrong... first 3 weeks was 750 test + 70 mg dbol for 5 days per week = 1100 total
then after that... 750 test + 225 tren per week (i miss a lot of injections so it's a lot less than that, but let's say i didn't miss any) = 975 mg
and now... 750 test + 250 winny = 1000 mg....

and the fat burners... well... ok  
right now im up to 180 mcg T3, 320 mcg clen, and 120 mg ephedrine 5 days a week.... it's a lot, but i have a VERY high tolerance for dem shits.

the problem is that it doesnt work like that..you cant add different substances mg for mg to add up the total.

what you need to do is determine the equivalent test required to get the same results of another drug. so if you are getting similar results to 750mg test with 70mg dbol per day then the equiv is 750mg.

its not 70mg x 5 = 350mg.

thats like saying that  since 2 micrograms of an opiate based pain killer is equivalent to 750mg of paracetamol then if u took 500mg of paracetamol and the 2 micrograms of the opiate then your total dose is 500.2mg.

in reality your total equivalent paracetamol dose is 1250mg because the opiate has the same effect as 750mg.

its amazing how many people get this wrong and try to compare any drug by dosages.

[tbombz]

But there's no real evidence that any steroid is significantly stronger or weaker than any other steroid, mg for mg. Sure, tren is better than most. Test deca dbol Anadrol equipoise anavar all seem to work good for most people. Proviron pretty much sucks. But there's absolutely no definitive way to say x amount of test equals x amount of tren... Or any other two drugs.   Most of the time X mg's = X mg's. People say anavar isn't very strong but Anadrol is. But usually people take 20-40mg anavar and 50-100mg drol. Take 100mg anavar and compare. They gains are as good if not better.

the problem is that it doesnt work like that..you cant add different substances mg for mg to add up the total.

what you need to do is determine the equivalent test required to get the same results of another drug. so if you are getting similar results to 750mg test with 70mg dbol per day then the equiv is 750mg.

its not 70mg x 5 = 350mg.

thats like saying that  since 2 micrograms of an opiate based pain killer is equivalent to 750mg of paracetamol then if u took 500mg of paracetamol and the 2 micrograms of the opiate then your total dose is 500.2mg.

in reality your total equivalent paracetamol dose is 1250mg because the opiate has the same effect as 750mg.

its amazing how many people get this wrong and try to compare any drug by dosages.

[LATS]

 guys, i do have to say that BIG A  has repeatedly taken to task those who say that low dose is enough to win bigger shows.. he has pointed out what he took and it was very measurable.. so to his credit he did call out many on there.. the title was "I AM SO SICK OF THIS.." or something to that nature.. it is still up and taking major thread posts..

  but many do truly believe that there is no need for high dosages.. they are entitled to their opinion andi have no issue with it as long as they "truly" believe it.. now i have always said and continue to believe that the vast majority of people lie about their dosages.. i have said it for years.. and i stand by that.. they always under shoot so that the gear does not get all the credit.. just the way human nature is for many..

 as for dante.. i have talked to him numerous times.. whether ya believe it or not he is a good guy.. he does believe that one can maintain much of their muscle mass on very low dosages.. not all.. but much.. and i can say that a few times i went down to 300 mgs of test and was able to maintain quite a bit of what i built.. did i lose some? sure.. and no, i would not recommend that a person trying to gain stay on that low dose for very long periods but, if ya look at dantes posts he never said that one would gain but would maintain at the low doses.. he was looking at it from a health stand point for those who wanted to come off the higher dosages..

 and yes i am one of the mods that recommends lower dosages.. not because i believe that low dosages is "where its at".. but because i dont want guys getting sick, or hurt in the process.. and i stand behind that.. plus i am a puss when it comes to high dosages.. i just dont feel right.. i am not blessed in that regard.. bp goes ape.. feel sluggish ect.. but i am fine with that.. i will continue to use low dose and just be happy where i am..

 as for my boy buselmo.. he is right.. you can eat "crappy" to a extent and train as you want and if you take higher dose gear you can get away with it and grow..but i also know that he also knows that if he followed a stricter diet ect that he might even look better.. but asi have said in numerous posts at pm i will never follow a good diet.. never had the strict mind set.. i too have posted my diet in a day and it is pretty frickin sad.. most day i dont go above 150 grams of protein.. but have also made very good gains eating like crap and rarely going over 500-600 total mgs.. and i will say i also back him on the fact that most will not even train if hormones are taken out of the equation.. at 43 myself i know i would not.. there i said it ..

[Van_Bilderass]

 as for dante.. i have talked to him numerous times.. whether ya believe it or not he is a good guy.. he does believe that one can maintain much of their muscle mass on very low dosages.. not all.. but much.. and i can say that a few times i went down to 300 mgs of test and was able to maintain quite a bit of what i built.. did i lose some? sure.. and no, i would not recommend that a person trying to gain stay on that low dose for very long periods but, if ya look at dantes posts he never said that one would gain but would maintain at the low doses.. he was looking at it from a health stand point for those who wanted to come off the higher dosages..

 

You're a good guy LATS, best mod on PM.  

However there are a few freaks over there who claim they continue growing when off everything. Not only do they not lose anything, they just continue gaining. B-boy, Gooey, Dusty Hanshaw come to mind as guys who claim this.

The reality is that you can take a couple of months off cruising with low dose testosterone, some GH (dosage depending on budget), HCG, different peptides etc and maintain a good bit, but no advanced bb comes off completely and gains shit. This is kidergarten level knowledge of course but that's the level the discussion goes sometimes.  

As far as gh15, a couple posts from PM.

EVERY SINGLE GUY ON HERE WHO POSTS PROGRESS PICS AND HAS GAINED A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNt OF SIZE IS ON MORE STUFF NOW THEN THEY WERE PRIOR...........BOTTOM LINE....

Sorry to bud in, but what does everyone here think about posts by GH15 on getbig.com. He seems to believe that IFBB pros are nothing without their drugs. According to him all IFBB pros have great genetics, but what seperates one from the other is how much hormones one uses. I am not sure who this GH15 is, but i am pretty big fan of his.

He is right. Now, people take various different amounts but lets never be mistaken here........adding hormones is the single most important thing a bodybuilder can do to gain lean hard muscle............so why stop doing it?

After factoring out the genetics which allows some to look better in bodybuilding terms, it's "all drugs". Well not all, but of prime importance. Without drugs there is no bb, no further gains, no nothing. Without them the logbook doesn't matter, the diet doesn't matter, the overfeeding doesn't matter (and is detrimental). That dude b-boy is always saying how drugs aren't really that important, that it's all about the logbook... then how come he didn't gain any size the last three years? We know the answer: drug intake hasn't increased enough.

Many are ashamed of using drugs after mama and papa said they were bad, after society indoctrinated them into believing using needles is the most disgusting and low behavior possible. So that's where we are.

[buselmo]

You fucker and you got away with that diet?   

seriously, those days of "cheating" how many cals approximately do you estimate you consumed throughout the day?

sometimes it's 500 cals, sometimes it's 5000 cals. depends on what's there to eat, how busy i am, and how hungry i am...
but... let's take last week for example... just on thursday, i woke up and went to the gym... came back home and ate about 8 slices of french toast with syrup and nutella and some milk... a couple of hours later i finished a box of coco pops... then 2 or 3 hours later i ate about 20 reese's peanut butter cups (they were on sale in 4 packs, and i bought 8 :p) ... then i went to a place called kudu and got a steak sandwich with fries... then a friend brought a cake and i ate half of it...

the thursday before that i ate a chocolate bar and a steak sandwich...


so it varies

[buselmo]

Everyone needs chicken embryo extract though.  

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH

as for my boy buselmo.. he is right.. you can eat "crappy" to a extent and train as you want and if you take higher dose gear you can get away with it and grow..but i also know that he also knows that if he followed a stricter diet ect that he might even look better.. but asi have said in numerous posts at pm i will never follow a good diet.. never had the strict mind set.. i too have posted my diet in a day and it is pretty frickin sad.. most day i dont go above 150 grams of protein.. but have also made very good gains eating like crap and rarely going over 500-600 total mgs.. and i will say i also back him on the fact that most will not even train if hormones are taken out of the equation.. at 43 myself i know i would not.. there i said it ..

my stance on this is...

if someone said "i'd pay you $100K per year to work for 2 hours a day, with 3 days off a week and a month paid vacation"
and someone else said "i'd pay you $110K per year to for 14 hours a day, with 1 day a week where you work for only 6 hours, and you get 15 days paid vacation per year"

which job offer would you take?

[flexingtonsteele]

sometimes it's 500 cals, sometimes it's 5000 cals. depends on what's there to eat, how busy i am, and how hungry i am...
but... let's take last week for example... just on thursday, i woke up and went to the gym... came back home and ate about 8 slices of french toast with syrup and nutella and some milk... a couple of hours later i finished a box of coco pops... then 2 or 3 hours later i ate about 20 reese's peanut butter cups (they were on sale in 4 packs, and i bought 8 :p) ... then i went to a place called kudu and got a steak sandwich with fries... then a friend brought a cake and i ate half of it...

the thursday before that i ate a chocolate bar and a steak sandwich...


so it varies

French toast with nutella is sooo freaking good!

[flexingtonsteele]

Buselmo just curious.

When your off drugs. You said your gonna take 6 mos off after this cycle.

Do you get small and skinny or small and fat?

And do you continue to eat the same or just lose your appetite totally?

[buselmo]

Buselmo just curious.

When your off drugs. You said your gonna take 6 mos off after this cycle.

Do you get small and skinny or small and fat?

And do you continue to eat the same or just lose your appetite totally?

I get small, skinny and fat 

when i'm off the gear, i just lose the motivation to train or eat anything "healthy"... I go to the gym 3 or 4 times and then something in my head says "what's the use?"... so i stop all together. I used to always go off on my vacation time... and always take my vacation 2 weeks before ramadhan... so i'm off for a good 6-10 weeks... that's back when i was on almost year round. during that off period, i'd barely train, and no fucking way i'm watching what i eat. it's fucking ramadhan! ramadhan = food!

but this year... i'm keeping cals very low when i'm off... i don't want to get as fat as i was in late october. i'd rather be skinny and around 10% fat instead of small and 20%.
so probably 100 grams of protein, 200 grams of carbs, and 50-60 grams of fat this time and I won't stop training (probably just 3 days of cardio and 3 days of light weight training)

[Krankenstein]

You're a good guy LATS, best mod on PM.  

However there are a few freaks over there who claim they continue growing when off everything. Not only do they not lose anything, they just continue gaining. B-boy, Gooey, Dusty Hanshaw come to mind as guys who claim this.

The reality is that you can take a couple of months off cruising with low dose testosterone, some GH (dosage depending on budget), HCG, different peptides etc and maintain a good bit, but no advanced bb comes off completely and gains shit. This is kidergarten level knowledge of course but that's the level the discussion goes sometimes.  

I know Dusty...please tell me you are kidding when you say that he says that

[Stavios]

I know Dusty...please tell me you are kidding when you say that he says that

I did say that a few times.

he is one of the guys that jumps in the thread about gear saying he grew a lot off gear with DC training

[Heavy_Hitter]

You're a good guy LATS, best mod on PM.  

However there are a few freaks over there who claim they continue growing when off everything. Not only do they not lose anything, they just continue gaining. B-boy, Gooey, Dusty Hanshaw come to mind as guys who claim this.

The reality is that you can take a couple of months off cruising with low dose testosterone, some GH (dosage depending on budget), HCG, different peptides etc and maintain a good bit, but no advanced bb comes off completely and gains shit. This is kidergarten level knowledge of course but that's the level the discussion goes sometimes.  

As far as gh15, a couple posts from PM.

After factoring out the genetics which allows some to look better in bodybuilding terms, it's "all drugs". Well not all, but of prime importance. Without drugs there is no bb, no further gains, no nothing. Without them the logbook doesn't matter, the diet doesn't matter, the overfeeding doesn't matter (and is detrimental). That dude b-boy is always saying how drugs aren't really that important, that it's all about the logbook... then how come he didn't gain any size the last three years? We know the answer: drug intake hasn't increased enough.
Many are ashamed of using drugs after mama and papa said they were bad, after society indoctrinated them into believing using needles is the most disgusting and low behavior possible. So that's where we are.

 Exactly!!! Also you can say he hasn't gained any size in the past 5 years! 5 years ago he competed at 191lbs, his last national competition was at 198lbs! Remember how he said he had about 10 more pounds of fat to lose in that show? Which means in reality he should have competed closer to 190lbs. Maybe he's regressing?? Hell he got third in the Kentucky states last month! Hmmm, less juice now, less size?? And let me tell you guys something, Dusty  and Gooey mabye impressive but they got shit on  B-boy when it comes to genetics!


GH15 once said something to the effect "The former Mr. Olympia with excellent genetics (Dorian Yates) drops to 180lbs off the juice, and these fucking liars with half his genetics claim to hold 250lbs plus on 100 grms of test a week".... So true!