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Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« on: January 28, 2011, 07:49:23 AM »
And President Obongo can't say anything-- He certainly can't support the people of these countries because he refused to do the same for the Iranians. Now, the terrorist organizations that rule the region will create a power vacuum and turn the middle east into one big terror conglomerate.

Lebanon is next and Jordan will soon follow.

Change we can believe in!

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2011, 08:04:40 AM »
Maybe he is angling to resign the U.S. Presidency and become the leader of a ME Caliphate?   


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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2011, 09:38:14 AM »
The Muslim Brotherhood is salivating at the bit in Egypt. Going to be a nice opportunity for them to usher in their fundamentalist, ultra-strict Sharia bullshit should Egypt's government fall. Same goes for the other countries. A Sharia-law endorsing c*nt that was banned from Tunisia has already started opening his suckhole about the prospects of an Islamic Tunisia.

Best keep sending Egypt $1.3 billion a year!  ::)

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2011, 10:31:10 AM »
Revolution is in the air but US sticks to same old script January 29, 2011



Washington appears addicted to propping up tyrants, writes Paul McGeough.


Events in the Middle East are moving too fast for the Obama administration to think it can get away with Plan A and Plan B reaction strategies according to the regimes or leaders it wants to keep in and out of power.

Consider the response of the US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, to Hezbollah tightening its grip on power in Lebanon this week - Washington might have to pull its funding worth hundreds of millions for Lebanon, her office warned.

Advertisement: Story continues below But as democracy demonstrators were confronted by thousands of baton-wielding policemen in the streets in Cairo, there was no mention of pulling the $US2 billion-plus cheque that Washington writes for the octogenarian President, Hosni Mubarak, each year.

Instead, a rhetorical nugget that Mubarak's mouthpieces would use in their defence - ''our assessment is that the Egyptian government is stable'' and then some namby-pamby words about how Mubarak was ''looking for ways to respond to the legitimate needs and interests of the Egyptian people''.

That response came on Wednesday - more thugs in and out of uniform in the streets, more tear-gas and 860 more young Egyptians banged up in prison because, Oliver-like, they had the audacity to stand in the streets and to ask for more. Such is stability.

Undaunted, Clinton tried again on Wednesday, when she called on the Egyptian authorities to cease blocking the communications on which the demonstrators relied. But on Thursday the Twitter and Facebook websites were inaccessible and mobile-phone users in Cairo said that it was difficult or impossible to sent text messages.

Clinton uttered the ''stability'' line early in the week - before the seriousness of what is unfolding in the streets of Cairo and Alexandria came in to focus. Consider how it might be interpreted by ordinary Egyptians - the human rights of 80 million people have been trampled for 30 years but what the US Secretary of State is most concerned about is the stability of the state.

And, even as the focus sharpened, the administration refused to tell the truth about the despot upon whom Washington relies - ''Egypt is a strong ally,'' the White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, replied when asked if the administration still supported Mubarak.

And, in a week in which the Middle East's historic self-started wave of democracy protests came to a head, Barack Obama might have used his State of the Union address to cheer along all the protesters; and perhaps to warn all the leaders, country by country, of the fate that awaits them.

Instead he confined his specific remarks to Tunisia, saying: ''The United States of America stands with the people of Tunisia and supports the democratic aspirations of all people.'' So, in a region of 333 million people, where to varying degrees a good 325 million are under the heel of unelected leaders, the US President addressed only little Tunisia.

The lame excuse offered to reporters was that Cairo erupted late in the drafting process of the speech but that last ''aspirations of all people'' phrase was a recognition that ''what happens in Tunisia resonates around the world''.

By current American thinking it would never do to have Islamists in power in the Palestinian Occupied Territories or in Lebanon and therefore they heed every despot's warning that the Islamists are waiting in the wings across North Africa and the Middle East.

But lost in the lunge to protect US strategic and commercial interests by propping up the region's dictator class is any realisation that that support is what leaves the youth of the region under-educated and under-employed and, thereby, ripe for the picking by Islamist and other underground movements.

In Tunisia the revolutionaries are still searching for a leader who can articulate their demands. And this week a leader flew in to Cairo - searching for a revolution. That was the former International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei, whose return to Egypt underscores a challenge brought on across the region as much by the local community as the international community - the grooming of those who might form a half-decent opposition.

Tracing an arc through Obama's approach to the Middle East, the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies professor Fouad Ajami described the President's foreign policy pragmatism as ''a break of faith with democracy''.

Alluding to the suppression of demonstrations in Tehran after the contested 2009 presidential election, he wrote in Lebanon's Daily Star: ''American diplomacy was not likely to alter the raw balance of power between the regime and its democratic oppositionists. But the timidity of American power and the refusal of the Obama administration to embrace the cause of the opposition must be reckoned one of American foreign policy's great moral embarrassments.''

The Mubarak machine's contempt for popular aspirations and whatever the US might think of them was on full display yesterday when Safwat el-Sherif, the head of the ruling National Democratic Party, feigned obliviousness to the reality of political power in Egypt as he lectured the protesters - ''democracy has its rules and process - the minority does not force its will on the majority''.

Abdel Moneim Said, a stooge government-appointed publisher, echoed Hillary Clinton's midweek ''stability'' comment when he told reporters: ''I can't think of anybody that I know that has any concern about the stability of the regime.''

Finding the right policy mix to influence events without being accused of interfering is a fine balance that some observers have concluded eludes the Obama administration.

''It's about identifying the US too closely with these changes and thereby undermining them; and not finding ways to nurture them enough,'' Aaron David Miller, of the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars, told The New York Times.

Meanwhile, observers on the ground in the region shake their heads. ''People want moral support,'' said Shadi Hamid, of the Brookings Doha Centre. ''They want to hear words of encouragement - right now they don't have that. They feel the world doesn't care and is working against them.''

His point seems to be this: it is time Washington thought in terms of investing in people in the region, not in dictators.


http://www.smh.com.au/world/revolution-is-in-the-air-but-us-sticks-to-same-old-script-20110128-1a8e6.html

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2011, 12:22:25 PM »
Im' all for egypt crushing them.

I know, we preach freedom, blah blah.  But you let the people 'choose' their leader and it sure won't be a US puppet like we have now.  They get billions annually from the USA... 2nd only to isr in teh region. 

We give 'we should spread democracy' lots of lip service... but you give that population democracy, and they'll choose a leader that'll hurt our interests geopolitically.

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2011, 12:33:26 PM »
Let the people choose their own leader? Hahahaha, as if that will happen. The Muslim Brotherhood is waiting for the right opportunity to put their own dictator in who will then pave the way for turning Egypt into another Sharia-ruled state.


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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2011, 12:46:47 PM »
Well there goes the neighborhood
Abandon every hope...

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2011, 01:16:07 PM »
GW beat me to it but....didn't douchbag give a speech or lecture in Cairo kicking off the post election save the world tour. This dumbass didn't learn from the 2010 elections...he didn't learn anything from Tunisia afew weeks ago and he can't do or say anything about this one except send the blithering moron Biden out to say that Mubarak isn't a dictator. They have had a state of emergency for 30 years. The guy sucks, but he's our guy. Either dump him and try and influence/back a moderate into power or watch some group the Muslim Brotherhood take power and immediatly spread this to other countries. I'm sure Israel is thrilled. Obama sucks.....the guy would do better as a mayor of a small liberal town where he didn;t have to deal with big boy issues like foreign policy.
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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2011, 01:28:32 AM »
Well there goes the neighborhood

That's what I said when Betty Blanco came up to my car and tried to wash my windshield while I was stopped at a red light last week.

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2011, 03:30:29 AM »
Jimmy carter redux.

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2011, 12:30:42 PM »
Unreal, just read obama skipped meetings today on this and let biden and hillary deal with it.  He went to watch his kid play b ball. 

Hillary was right all along.

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2011, 12:49:33 PM »
Hillary was right all along.

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who would you vote for in a hilary vs. palin matchup in 2012 or 2016?

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2011, 12:50:39 PM »
Probably hildbeast.

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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2011, 01:01:31 PM »
Probably hildbeast.

why?  her policy or competence, leadership, or some combination?

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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2011, 01:42:37 PM »
She probably will be too shot by then.  She already looks like hell. 

I'm really hoping christie steps up.

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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2011, 04:14:04 PM »
i think being grandmotherly actually HELPS hilary.  Nobody expects her to be hot.  She gets old, she just looks way more experienced and wiser.

Palin, on the other hand, wouldn't have a snowflakes' chance in hell, without her looks.

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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2011, 06:49:19 PM »
Neither would bama.

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2011, 10:01:26 PM »
Im' all for egypt crushing them.

I know, we preach freedom, blah blah.  But you let the people 'choose' their leader and it sure won't be a US puppet like we have now.  They get billions annually from the USA... 2nd only to isr in teh region.  

We give 'we should spread democracy' lots of lip service... but you give that population democracy, and they'll choose a leader that'll hurt our interests geopolitically.

I wish this happened to Mughabe or the other corrupt "African heads of state"

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2011, 05:58:21 AM »
NBC sat night live wsa punking the shit out of mubarrak like i've never seen them do to an active head of state.  so I"m guessing they beleive he's out?

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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2011, 07:20:05 AM »
NBC sat night live wsa punking the shit out of mubarrak like i've never seen them do to an active head of state.  so I"m guessing they beleive he's out?

No, but the Egyptian government is now accusing the US of coordinating certain elements of the protests. Add another one to the list of allies Obama has alienated and thrown under the bus.

I do find it interesting that he had nothing to say about the Iranians, who were trying to overthrow an Islamic government, yet he's now supporting the Tunisians and Egyptians in their quest to install Islamic governments.

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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2011, 07:30:06 AM »


John Bolton gives, far and away, the most sensible and objective response to this situation.

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2011, 07:33:48 AM »
Read the editorial in haretz today. Scathing indictment of obama admn role in this.

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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2011, 07:44:03 AM »
No, but the Egyptian government is now accusing the US of coordinating certain elements of the protests. Add another one to the list of allies Obama has alienated and thrown under the bus.

Wikileaks docs showed we were working to undermine him, right?
He's in his 70s... Iran just rioted... they're living in  poverty... the age of tweeting...

We knew it was gonna end eventually and figured by making sure "our guys" were the ones leading the change, we could influence who gets into office?

Not unreasonable at all, and exactly what i'd expect from obama, bush, clinton, or whoever.  If we DIDN'T get involved with the uprising, I'd be pissed cause it means china or russia or iran or someone else IS. 

So no, I'm not worried if the on-his-way-out, old ass dictator isn't "happy" cause we're helping undermine him.  The millions on the street and the fact his corrupt ass is eating caviar while 95% of the nation lives in poverty... well, it is what it is.  Best that we're steering whoever takes over.

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2011, 07:55:29 AM »
Funny you didn't say the same thing about saddam. 

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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2011, 08:04:23 AM »
Wikileaks docs showed we were working to undermine him, right?
He's in his 70s... Iran just rioted... they're living in  poverty... the age of tweeting...

We knew it was gonna end eventually and figured by making sure "our guys" were the ones leading the change, we could influence who gets into office?

Not unreasonable at all, and exactly what i'd expect from obama, bush, clinton, or whoever.  If we DIDN'T get involved with the uprising, I'd be pissed cause it means china or russia or iran or someone else IS.  

So no, I'm not worried if the on-his-way-out, old ass dictator isn't "happy" cause we're helping undermine him.  The millions on the street and the fact his corrupt ass is eating caviar while 95% of the nation lives in poverty... well, it is what it is.  Best that we're steering whoever takes over.

Knew it was going to end eventually? Are you fucking retarded or do you just not know anything about Egypt? Here's a little hint: it's the military that has most of the power in Egypt. They're the ones that let Mubarak stay as leader and they're the ones that hold the ultimate power in replacing him.

Undermining him AND the military, when both have been allies to us, is pretty much acknowledging that we're trying to install a Muslim Brotherhood-led Sharia Law dictatorship in there as they're the only real opposition group with any political clout.

But let me guess, you think the Muslim Brotherhood is full of progressive, tolerant, pro-democracy and pro-American people? Put down the NY Times, who can't stop slobbering all over their nuts (probably from MB money lining their coffers), and do some reading on them. ::)

We should be staying out of it just like Bolton said.