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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #125 on: February 01, 2011, 03:15:37 PM »
Gibbs: Aid to Egypt may change
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The actions of the Egyptian government amid protests there will determine whether the United States continues to give aid to the north African country, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday.

The White House will “make determinations” based on Egypt’s response to the protests, Gibbs told reporters. “We are ... watching the actions of [the Egyptian] government,” he said.

Gibbs’s position appears to be different than that of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who said Sunday that “there’s no discussion at this time about cutting off aid” to Egypt.


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Unreal.   I guess when the MB takes over we will eally open our wallets.   

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #126 on: February 01, 2011, 03:17:12 PM »
I would give you the answer, but I would be again attacked.   

The truth hurts.  :-\

I think that first picture is insulting to Carter.  :-X

Gibbs: Aid to Egypt may change
Politico44 ^ | 01/31/11 | MJ LEE


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The actions of the Egyptian government amid protests there will determine whether the United States continues to give aid to the north African country, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday.

The White House will “make determinations” based on Egypt’s response to the protests, Gibbs told reporters. “We are ... watching the actions of [the Egyptian] government,” he said.

Gibbs’s position appears to be different than that of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who said Sunday that “there’s no discussion at this time about cutting off aid” to Egypt.


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Unreal.   I guess when the MB takes over we will eally open our wallets.   

Pakistan manages to suck $5+ billion out of us every time any sort of political unrest hits them. Egypt will be the same.

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #127 on: February 01, 2011, 03:48:12 PM »
The truth hurts.  :-\

I think that first picture is insulting to Carter.  :-X

Pakistan manages to suck $5+ billion out of us every time any sort of political unrest hits them. Egypt will be the same.


Easier to pay them off and keep the status quo.

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #128 on: February 01, 2011, 06:35:19 PM »
Clinton: 'We're not advocating any specific outcome' in Egypt crisis
By Bridget Johnson and Michael O'Brien - 01/30/11 09:29 AM ET
   

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The Obama administration struggled to maintain a careful balance on its response to the crisis in Egypt on Sunday, which continued to spiral out of control as armed gangs broke hundreds of militants out of Egyptian jails and the U.S. Embassy warned citizens to consider leaving the country as soon as possible.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made the rounds on all five Sunday shows, advocating that the people's voice be heard while taking care not to call for a departure of President Hosni Mubarak.


The steps Mubarak has taken to address his people's grievances against the government haven't been enough, Clinton said on "Fox News Sunday."

"I don't think anyone is satisfied, least of all the Egyptian people," Clinton said.


But when asked on CNN's "State of the Union" whether the U.S. was taking the side of government or the protesters, Clinton stressed that the U.S. had been "on the side of the people" as it had been for more than 30 years of cooperation with Cairo while advocating greater democratic and civil rights.

"We're not advocating any specific outcome," she said.

She said that the U.S. is trying to "keep on the message we've been on, convey it publicly and privately, and stand ready to help."

"We do not want to send any message about backing forward or backing back," Clinton said.


Clinton said that the U.S. wanted to see the people be able to express their voices in "peaceful protest ... and then a process of national dialogue that will lead to the changes the Egyptian people seek and deserve."

She cautioned that such changes will take time, but urged Mubarak to take concrete steps and for his new government officials to "put real life into what President Mubarak said" in his address to the nation Friday evening.


Mubarak requested the resignation of his government on Friday, and announced the appointment of a new vice president, a former intelligence chief who's regarded as a Mubarak loyalist.


On Fox, Clinton said that was a first step. "But there's a long way to go."

"We have been very clear that we want to see a transition to democracy, and we want to see the kind of steps taken that will bring that about. But we also want to see an orderly transition," she said. "There are many, many steps along the journey that has been started by the Egyptian people themselves."

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), making his first comments on the Egyptian situation, said he was largely satisfied by the Obama administration's response to the crisis.

"I think our administration so far has handled this tense situation pretty well," Boehner said on "Fox News Sunday."

He echoed the administration's language, speaking of the "legitimate grievances" of the Egyptian people, but worrying about the possibility of Islamic extremists taking control of the government in that country.

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Egyptian authorities have shut down the offices of news network Al Jazeera, blocking broadcasts into the country. Renowned Egyptian blogger Wael Abbas tweeted Saturday morning that hundreds of judges had joined the protests in Tahrir Square.

However, a calmer protest presence has been reported since the military, a respected entity in Egypt, took over security operations from the police.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) noted on CNN's "State of the Union" that "there are some good signs here; it's not all terrible."

"It is not an anti-U.S. message primarily, nor is it a radical Islamist message," he said of the protesters' economic and political grievances.


"The hope is there will be a transition to something else," Schumer said. "A democratic government is the way to go and hopefully it can be channeled in that direction with the government as a guiding hand."

2008 GOP presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said the White House needs to do more to get "ahead" of the crisis in Egypt.


“I think the president should get a little bit more out ahead” of the situation, McCain said on CNN. “In other words, lay out a scenario of what we think the Egyptian people should have every right to expect."


The ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee told host Candy Crowley that “we’ve got to be on the right side of history” in the Egyptian crisis.


McCain said that “there’s real chance for democracy” at this juncture. “There is a real awakening going on,” he said.


“We have a real opportunity for a democratic transition … this is a very critical time, what happens in Egypt” has a direct effect on what happens in other countries in the region also on the verge of political unrest, including Jordan, Yemen and Libya, McCain said.

Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) backed the White House's handling of the crisis.


“I don’t have any criticism of President Obama or Secretary Clinton at this point, they know full well that they can’t give the Egyptians advice about who their leadership is — that’s beyond the reach of the United States,” McConnell told NBC’s David Gregory.


McConnell, who appeared on "Meet the Press," said “Egypt has been an extraordinary ally of ours … we hope that at the end of the day … we’ll still have an important ally.”


McConnell refused to say whether the U.S. should hold out the annual $1.3 billion in military aid sent to Cairo as a means of influencing the outcome of the crisis.


“It’s up to the Egyptians to determine what their leadership is and we’ll take a look at it after that,” McConnell said.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made his first public comments on the crisis Sunday. The country is in a precarious position because a new government such as the Muslim Brotherhood would likely dismiss the treaty between Egypt and Israel that has kept a terse peace for many years.

"Our efforts are designed to continue and maintain stability and security in our region," the prime minister, who said he was "anxiously monitoring" the protests, said during the weekly Cabinet meeting.

According to The Jerusalem Post, Netanyahu spoke with President Obama on Saturday as well as with Clinton.

"I remind you that the peace between Israel and Egypt has endured for over three decades and our goal is to ensure that these relations continue," Netanyahu said.

"Of course, at this time, we must show maximum responsibility, restraint and sagacity and, to this end, I have instructed my fellow ministers to refrain from commenting on this issue. Naturally, we are also holding consultations in the appropriate government forums," he said.

"I know that everybody wants a yes-or-no answer to what are very complicated issues," Clinton said on ABC's "This Week." "Obviously, this is a volatile situation. Egypt has been a partner of the United States for over three decades, has been a partner in achieving historic peace with Israel, a partner in, you know, trying to stabilize a region that is subject to a lot of challenges."



—Molly K. Hooper contributed to this report


This story was updated at 12 p.m.


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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #129 on: February 01, 2011, 07:32:31 PM »
Obama presses Mubarak to move 'now'

By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 1, 2011; 9:31 PM



President Obama, clearly frustrated by Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's intention to retain his hold on power until elections later this year, said Tuesday evening that he has told Mubarak that a transition to representative government "must begin now."

In brief remarks at the White House, Obama made no mention of Mubarak's announcement that he had decided not to stand for reelection. Instead, Obama said he had told the Egyptian president in a telephone call that this was a "moment of transformation" in Egypt and that "the status quo is not sustainable."

Obama's message appeared carefully calibrated to avoid publicly calling for Mubarak to stand down, while making clear he should stand aside. Administration officials say they are seeking a transitional government, with or without Mubarak as its titular head, formed by representative reform leaders and backed by the Egyptian army that will address legitimate grievances, restore stability and plan for a free election.

"The key part of the statement was 'now,' " an administration official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

Obama's message to Mubarak had been conveyed earlier in the day by special envoy Frank G. Wisner during a meeting in Cairo. While Wisner said it would be useful if Mubarak made clear that he had no plans to run in the scheduled September election, officials said, the bulk of the meeting was spent urging Mubarak to turn over control far sooner.

While Mubarak appeared to understand the first part of the message, it was not clear to the White House until his speech was broadcast that he had dismissed the second part. In Cairo, protesters greeted the speech with continued demands that Mubarak leave office immediately.

"All of us who are privileged to serve in positions of political power do so at the will of our people," Obama said. It was "not the role of any other country to determine Egypt's leaders," he said. But "what is clear, and what I indicated tonight to President Mubarak, is my belief that an orderly transition must be meaningful, it must be peaceful, and it must begin now."

Obama was effusive in his praise for the Egyptian military, which did not interfere in protests Tuesday that were the largest yet in a week of massive demonstrations in Cairo and other cities. He spoke of "the sense of community in the streets" and the "mothers and fathers embracing soldiers."

Addressing the protesters, Obama said their "passion and dignity" was "an inspiration to people around the world, including here in the United States and to all those who believe in the inevitability of freedom."

"I want to be clear, we hear your voices," he said.

"Throughout this process, the United States will continue to extend the hand of partnership and friendship to Egypt," Obama said. "We stand ready to provide assistance that is necessary to help the Egyptian people as they manage the aftermath of these protests."

An administration official said that Obama's 30-minute conversation with Mubarak, which occurred after the Egyptian leader's televised speech, was "direct and frank," and similar to the public statement Obama then made at the White House.

Obama told Mubarak that "it was clear how much he loves his country, and how difficult this is for him," the official said. Obama also told him "that an orderly transition can't be prolonged - it must begin now."

Obama and his national security team - including Vice President Biden, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and National Security Adviser Thomas E. Donilon - watched Mubarak's address, and the public reaction to it in Cairo, in the White House Situation Room.

Their meeting then continued with a discussion of how to respond to Mubarak and to protests spreading across the Arab world. After demonstrators took to the streets in Jordan, King Abdullah II announced in Amman on Tuesday that he had fired the Jordanian prime minister and dismissed the government.

Officials declined to comment on whether Obama had called Abdullah and other regional leaders Tuesday.

Before the Situation Room meeting adjourned after about a hour and 10 minutes, Obama decided to call Mubarak personally and to make a public statement. As speechwriters began to compose the statement, the president went to the Oval Office to make the call.

The administration's position is similar to that spelled out Tuesday morning by Sen. John F. Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who called for Mubarak to both declare that neither he nor his son would run in September and to pledge to work with the Egyptian army and civil society to establish "an interim, caretaker government as soon as possible to oversee an orderly transition in the coming months."

Kerry, whose comments appeared in an op-ed article in The New York Times, said that Egypt's stability "hinges on [Mubarak's] willingness to step aside gracefully to make way for a new political structure."

In a statement issued after Mubarak's remarks, Kerry again called on him to "work now with the military and civil society to establish an interim caretaker government."

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Maybe they will take obama? 

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #130 on: February 01, 2011, 07:38:11 PM »
Bad news for Israel
Jerusalem Post ^ | 02/01/2011 | RAY HANANIA




Democracy will give Egyptian people a voice, and their voice may demand that peace accord be broken.

Egypt’s democracy protests across the board spell bad news for Israel, which is more democratic than most countries in the Middle East, but not democratic enough.

Tens of thousands of protestors have filled the streets in Egypt’s major cities demanding the resignation of its presidentfor- life Hosni Mubarak and the backlash has impacted the monarchy in Jordan and the dictatorship in Syria.

Mubarak is not the worst Arab tyrant in the Middle East, but he is viewed as a puppet of the United States which currently finds itself in a curious position. Does the US back democracy in Egypt as it has in other countries or does it try to help Egypt make a transition from a dictatorship to a more open dictatorship?

Why are Americans even balking at calling for an end to the dictatorial rule in Egypt? Because Egypt is the cornerstone of American and Israeli foreign policy in the Middle East.

Without Egypt supporting the status quo, Israel especially has much to lose.

The average Egyptian does not support the peace accord that signed by Mubarak’s predecessor, Anwar Sadat on Sept.17, 1978. Sadat tried to argue that peace between Egypt and Israel would usher in peace with the Palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese. Save for Jordan, that peace is still elusive.

After Sadat’s assassination, Mubarak, one of his generals became president. Not known for his diplomatic talents, he became the caretaker of the unpopular peace with Israel.

Though he is a dictator, Egyptians have enjoyed more freedoms than most citizens in other Arab countries.

Israel’s main benefit from its peace accord with Egypt was not only the hope of establishing normal relations, but also clearing away the threat of wars, lead by Egypt until then.

Once it signed an agreement with Israel, the threat of a regional war vanished, replaced by proxy wars like those fought against the vanguards of radical Islam, Hamas and Hizbullah, agents of Iran, also a nation of tyrants and dictators.

On the surface, Egypt’s turn to democracy sounds good, although it has put America and Israel in awkward positions: sure they want democracy, but not if that democracy undermines the peace accords with Israel.

Peace with Israel under its present terms can only be enforced by a dictator like Mubarak. Democracy will give the people a voice and their voice clearly demands that the peace accord be broken.

If Egypt falls, that chorus of anti-Israel sentiment will grow across the Arab world, possibly even sparking new regional wars. Already, protestors in Jordan have taken to the streets and Syrian dictator Bashir al- Assad is moving fast to prevent similar protests in his country.

Israel may then find itself regionally back in time to the 1960s, isolated by the Arab world and constantly fearing more wars.

THE ARAB world may be under the foot of dictators, friend and foe to the West and Israel, but the Arab people are smart enough to see through the years of false promises and bad deals on Israel’s part.

If democracy revails in Egypt and the people take control, Israel will face a pivotal moment: to either continue its current course of rejecting peace or taking negotiations with the Palestinians more seriously as a first step towards becoming a real member of the Middle East community.

Democracy is good, but it carries with it a real price that will disrupt the conveniences of the status quo.

The biggest losers will be the dictators, Western foreign policy and, likely, Israel.



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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #131 on: February 01, 2011, 09:26:55 PM »
Get ready boys and girls. WW3 is moving closer toward being a reality. The war to end all wars and probably civilization is almost upon us. And we owe it all to the religion of peace and the high minded leftists who support diversity. Take it all in folks. This is a teachable moment, and possibly one of the last teachable moments in human history.

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #132 on: February 02, 2011, 12:47:58 AM »
Dude your a retard,your mind is obsessed with conflict.

Me and BF have our share of arguments but i gotta agree at least to some extent.
Where ever you look in the world and there is Islam there is procecutions and violence.

Funny how you are not alloved to compare Islam with Nazi's they have the exact same view on a lot of things including jews

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #133 on: February 02, 2011, 01:41:49 AM »
Ya'll look for a massive Latin protest sometime in the future (far bigger than the last one) influenced by this one...

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #134 on: February 02, 2011, 06:43:17 AM »
Source: Reuters

Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh, a key U.S. ally against al Qaeda, said on Wednesday he will not seek to extend his presidency in a move that would end his three-decade rule when his current term expires in 2013.

Eyeing protests that swept Tunisia's leader from power and threaten to topple Egypt's president, Saleh also vowed not to pass on the reins of government to his son. He also appealed to the opposition to call off protests as a large rally loomed.

"I present these concessions in the interests of the country. The interests of the country come before our personal interests," Saleh told his parliament, Shoura Council and members of the military.

"No extension, no inheritance, no resetting the clock," he said, making reference to ruling party proposals on term limits that had been seen as designed to enable him to run again.



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Oh boy.   Pan Global Islamist Caliphate is not as far a stretch as I once thought.   

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #135 on: February 02, 2011, 06:46:03 AM »
Source: WSJ

ISTANBUL—Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's pledge to stand down in September isn't enough and he should go immediately, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Wednesday, marking his second intervention in as many days in support of opposition protesters.

"The people expect a very different decision from Mubarak," Mr. Erdogan told Turkish journalists during a visit to Kyrgyzstan, the news channel NTV reported. "The current administration does not inspire trust so far as the democratic change wanted by the population is concerned."

President Hosni Erdogan said late Tuesday that he would step down after elections this year, bowing after 29 years in power to a popular uprising that has begun to reshape the Middle East.

His announcement in a televised address came under pressure from massive demonstrations, the wavering support of his military and a call from U.S. President Barack Obama for him to begin to make way for a new leader.



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Despite what the far left, obama, DU, HP, and the other naive dolts think, this really does not look like it will end well.   Erdogan is an islamist himself.       

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #136 on: February 02, 2011, 09:19:07 AM »
Is Obama’s goal war in the Middle East? Or is he simply incompetent like Jimmy Carter?
AIPNews.com ^ | 2-2-2011 | Tom Hoefling


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Washington, DC – With Obama’s coddling of the opposition in Egypt, which is led by the radical Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, and the administration’s apparent willingness to mainstream this extremist group politically, one must ask hard questions concerning motivations. Although, whether the Obama State Department is completely incompetent or truly craven in their dealings with this severe security threat to the entire Middle East region, the result is almost certainly going to be the same: an abrogation of Egypt’s peace treaty with Israel, and the uniting of a country we’ve armed with some of the most sophisticated weaponry with the most radical forces for war from Cairo to Tehran.

The whole world is watching, and it is obvious that the conclusions that are being drawn; by our friends and by our enemies; are not good. The extreme forces whose only goals are the establishment of a worldwide jihadist caliphate, the destruction of our most important ally, the nation of Israel, and the death of as many Americans as they can bring about, are taking great comfort and encouragement from the events in Egypt. And our friends are concluding that the United States is at best unreliable as any sort of guarantor of the peace, and at worst is now allied to some degree or another with their enemies.

The similarities to what happened under a weak Democrat President in 1979 are striking, although Jimmy Carter took a much more passive role in the tragic downfall of Iran than Barack Obama seems to be taking in Egypt.

Neither Barack Obama nor Hillary Clinton seems to know how to simply shut up. Every time they open their mouths they are making things infinitely worse for the United States and for the stability of Egypt. Is this purposeful? Or are they and their minions simply stupid?

Obama is reportedly asking President Mubarak to step down immediately, even though he has said he would not run in the next election which is scheduled for later in the year. If thousands of people in the streets are the deciding factor in such historic matters, matters that are critical to a nation’s stability, and a whole region’s peace, why was Obama so quiet when the same thing happened in Iran, before that radical regime crushed the dissent of its young people under its boot? Why is Obama himself still in office? After all, last fall well nearly two million Americans marched against his policies in Washington, DC. Why do the demands of a Muslim Brotherhood-inspired mob have to be acceded to, while the concerns of patriotic Americans marching peacefully can safely be ignored?

So, again, one must ask the key question: Is Obama’s goal the destabilization of the Middle East and war? Has he made friends with our enemies and enemies of our friends? Or is he just dangerously naïve and incompetent? Take your pick. The result is the same. Our enemies will make sure of that.

President Ronald Reagan’s foreign policy wasn’t perfect, but his firm Peace through Strength stance drove back the forces of tyranny throughout the world, granting billions of people, including Americans, the opportunity to enjoy the fruits of liberty in the ensuing decades. Our enemies feared and the friends of freedom were empowered and encouraged.

Barack Obama’s policy, which is at best one of weakness, is certain to bring about war, and death, and destruction, and tyranny for God only knows how many of our fellow human beings. And America herself is not immune to the consequences, as we learned in two world wars and on 9-11-2001.


Tom Hoefling is the founder and chairman of America’s Party/America’s Independent Party and is the editor of AIPNews.com . He can be reached at tomhoefling@gmail.com.


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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #137 on: February 02, 2011, 09:49:56 AM »
Why America Always Gets Revolutions Wrong
Townhall.com ^ | February 2, 2011 | Ben Shaphiro


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Revolution is the word of the day in the Middle East. The reaction in the American media and government is pure puzzlement. Who is revolting? Why? Should we support them or oppose them?

The fact that nobody seems to know what in hell is going on in Egypt, Tunisia, Albania and Jordan is yet another black mark on the American intelligence establishment, which has spent far too long playing patty-cake with dictatorial governments while failing to infiltrate and research popular movements in the Middle East.

It is also yet another horrible manifestation of America's benighted foreign policy when it comes to revolutionary movements. Since the Woodrow Wilson administration, American presidents have consistently mishandled revolutions abroad: Russia, Italy, Germany, Korea, Cuba, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, Honduras, among others. Those failures stem from two conflicting notions embraced by liberal American presidents since Wilson. First, liberal presidents champion the ideas of "self-determination" -- the idea that all populations have to decide their own future without extraneous help. Second, liberal presidents support the practical separation of civilian populations from the governments they elect.

Both of these principles are fictions. And working in tandem, they have crippled America's foreign policy, creating a catch-22: populations are supposed to pick their leaders without imperialist/colonialist interference, but those same populations cannot be held responsible for the leaders they pick. The result is American noninterference with burgeoning revolutions, then utter inability to cope with the results.

In practical terms, this means that the United States must uphold the dictators originally installed "by the people." We can't get rid of those dictators, since they were supposedly brought to power through popular means. We won't get rid of those dictators because if we did, we would have to deal with the reality that the people may in fact be just as problematic as the governments they select.

The first practical experiment in this catch-22 occurred in 1917 with the Russian Revolution. Wilson watched with approval as a hodgepodge of anti-tsarist popular movements ousted the unpopular dictators. Then Wilson watched in mild irritation as that movement, led by Alexander Kerensky, was ousted by the better organized and more militant Vladimir Lenin and his communists. While America interfered in a half-hearted way, by 1918, Wilson was preaching in his famous Fourteen Points speech that Russia would have to make "independent determination of her own political development."

When the communists took over, America quickly shifted into a defensive mode, opposing the Red regime while claiming that it was unrepresentative of the populace. The result: the most evil regime in human history reigning over half of Europe, sponsoring large swaths of like-minded evil regimes in Asia, Africa and Latin America -- and an American policy that coddled that regime for decades until Reagan.

The pattern repeated itself in Korea, where the United States under Truman refused to go all the way in stopping the North Koreans. Instead, MacArthur was fired for suggesting that America target the root of the problem in China. In Vietnam, the left protested that the Vietnamese people wanted communism, that Ho Chi Minh was a man of the people, and that any significant incursion into Cambodia was unthinkable. It repeated itself in Iran, where the left insisted that we allow the shah to fall, but now watch from afar as the mullahs crush all dissent.

Most recently, the pattern has repeated itself in the Gaza Strip, where the United States pushed for the installation of democratic institutions and then had to face the unpleasant reality that the electoral majority of the Palestinian population is radically evil in its anti-Semitism and Islamism. Instead of facing that fact, the United States under President Obama has chosen to legitimize Hamas by ripping Israel as intransigent.

Now the pattern is repeating itself in Egypt. President Obama's administration has taken the conflicting position that Hosni Mubarak is not a dictator, but that he must make way for democratic reforms. Obama's minions have stated that the Egyptian people seek freedom, even as they parlay with the Muslim Brotherhood (Obama has kowtowed to the brotherhood himself, inviting them to his 2009 Cairo speech). Obama's messengers have labeled prospective Egyptian leader Mohammed ElBaradei a Nobel Prize winner as though it is a real qualification, even though he is also a soft agent of Iran.

Instead of seeking out and supporting the most pro-America strain within the Egyptian revolution, Obama has sat idly by, still following in the footsteps of Wilson. When an anti-democratic movement shoves its way forward and usurps power, Obama will sit idly by, abiding by those same Wilsonian dictates. And when America has no one to deal with in Egypt but the radicals the Egyptian people have selected, we will appease them, all the while sighing over what might have been.


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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #138 on: February 02, 2011, 10:32:20 AM »
ABC's Amanpour Comes Under Attack In Cairo
Broadcasting & Cable ^ | 2/2/11 | Ben Grossman


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ABC's Christiane Amanpour said Wednesday that she and a crew came under attack from a "mob" on the same day CNN's Anderson Cooper reported the same. Amanpour wrote in a reporter's notebook released by ABC News that the attack came after trying to film on a bridge into Tahrir Square. "An angry mob surrounded us and chased us into the car shouting that they hate America," she said. "They kicked in the car doors and broke our windshield as we drove away."
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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #139 on: February 02, 2011, 10:40:23 AM »
Dinesh D'Souza may have misread Obama's methods, but he nailed his ideology right on the head.

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #140 on: February 02, 2011, 12:07:20 PM »
EGYPT: Opposition leader Mohamed ElBaradei says he fears coming 'bloodbath'
latimes.com ^ | Feb. 2, 2011




Mohamed ElBaradei, the Nobel Peace Prize laureate emerging as Egypt's paramount opposition leader, told the Al Jazeera news agency that he feared Wednesday's violent confrontation in Cairo could escalate into a "bloodbath."

"I'm extremely concerned, I mean this is yet another symptom, or another indication, of a criminal regime using criminal acts," ElBaradei, former head of the U.N. nuclear agency, said of the provocative charging of demonstrators by loyalists of embattled Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. "My fear is that it will turn into a bloodbath."

ElBaradei said Mubarak's regime "does not want to listen to the people, does not want to understand that they need to go," adding that the president's insistence on staying in office through fall elections only strengthens the resolve of Egyptians that he must resign "immediately, before the country goes down the drain."


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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #141 on: February 02, 2011, 01:04:01 PM »
ElBaradei showing his true colors. Trying to drive Egypt into civil war.

ElBaradei’s Ultimatum to Mubarak: 48 Hours to Leave the Country


Egyptian uprising idol Mohammed ElBaradei has ordered Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to leave the country by Friday - or he will be a "dead man walking" and not just a lame-duck president.

The aging Egyptian leader, reportedly suffering from cancer, insists he will remain in power. He said Tuesday night, "This dear country is my country ... and I will die on its land."

Mubarak dramatically announced he will not run in September's presidential elections, but shortly afterwards, U.S. President Barack Obama dealt him a stinging slap, stating that a transition to a new government should begin "now."...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142095

Let the blood flow!

ElBaradei pretty much annointed himself leader of this "revolution". I already smell another dictator in the making. One who is an Iranian puppet.

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #142 on: February 02, 2011, 01:05:31 PM »
ElBaradei showing his true colors. Trying to drive Egypt into civil war.

ElBaradei’s Ultimatum to Mubarak: 48 Hours to Leave the Country


Egyptian uprising idol Mohammed ElBaradei has ordered Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to leave the country by Friday - or he will be a "dead man walking" and not just a lame-duck president.

The aging Egyptian leader, reportedly suffering from cancer, insists he will remain in power. He said Tuesday night, "This dear country is my country ... and I will die on its land."

Mubarak dramatically announced he will not run in September's presidential elections, but shortly afterwards, U.S. President Barack Obama dealt him a stinging slap, stating that a transition to a new government should begin "now."...

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142095

Let the blood flow!

ElBaradei pretty much annointed himself leader of this "revolution". I already smell another dictator in the making. One who is an Iranian puppet.

El Bariedi reminds me exactly of Lenin and how that went down in 1917.   

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #143 on: February 02, 2011, 01:18:46 PM »

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #144 on: February 02, 2011, 01:23:45 PM »
Good video James.


No onder DU, Obama, HP and the rest  the far left consider that to be an inspiration.   

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #145 on: February 02, 2011, 01:26:00 PM »

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #146 on: February 02, 2011, 01:32:16 PM »
The pro-Islamic Supremacist BBC said that there's a "carnival atmosphere" in Egypt right now. Apparently people battling each other in the streets, looting shops and killing each other = carnival.


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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #147 on: February 02, 2011, 01:35:50 PM »
The far left communists/marxists/progressives/leftists are just praying that this leads to a toppling of israel or at least a massive war against them.   Or perhaps Obama stcking a final shiv to Israel in favor of his islamist masters. 

This whole disgusting episode is very transparent - Egypt going down is seen as a blow to the USA and Israel.   

To the far left and the likes of obama and his treasonous ilk - anything that weakens the USA & Israel can only be a good thing.     

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #148 on: February 02, 2011, 02:00:56 PM »
If we can get 2 million to DC to protest the ObaMugabe Admn  - does that mean he will resign and step aside?     

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Re: Egypt is burning, Tunisia has been overthrown etc.
« Reply #149 on: February 02, 2011, 02:14:01 PM »
I have to say, (and I felt slightly guilty) I laughed and almost cheered when I saw pro government factions riding in on horseback and camel to smash protestors heads in with sticks. It was both funny and heroic in an almost cartoonish sort of way. Did anyone else find the image mildly hysterical?

The middle east really lives in another time period. Perhaps that is why most who live there are barbaric animals.