Sarah Palin WTF Moments - 'Spudnut'

[tonymctones]

LOL ok...lets do this again then with your numbers

1.5-3 million jobs created or saved 

331 billion spent already...well just use that not the money in process or tax cuts even though your against those

and we will even use the 3 million number of jobs created or saved 

331,000,000,000/3,000,000 = $110,333.33

they spent per job and thats at best brosky

again quantifiable failure

add in the money in process, tax cuts etc...

LMAO all equals epic failure

[Soul Crusher]

And those bogus alleged jobs are going away once the stim bill cash runs out. 

What a crock of barack. 

[Straw Man]

LOL ok...lets do this again then with your numbers

1.5-3 million jobs created or saved 

331 billion spent already...well just use that not the money in process or tax cuts even though your against those

and we will even use the 3 million number of jobs created or saved 

331,000,000,000/3,000,000 = $110,333.33

they spent per job and thats at best brosky

again quantifiable failure

add in the money in process, tax cuts etc...

LMAO all equals epic failure

or the more accurate way to look at it would be  quantifiable success.

for most direct stimulus investment for a dollar spent we get greater than $1 in GDP

the least effect, of course, being tax cuts (which if I recall you were in favor of extending even though they add to the deficict)

[Straw Man]

And those bogus alleged jobs are going away once the stim bill cash runs out. 

What a crock of barack. 

some perhaps but they kept the gdp going in positive direction and private sector jobs are starting to pick back up (though not at as great a pace as anyone would like)

[tonymctones]

or the more accurate way to look at it would be  quantifiable success.

for most direct stimulus investment for a dollar spent we get greater than $1 in GDP

the least effect, of course, being tax cuts (which if I recall you were in favor of extending even though they add to the deficict)

LMFAO ill need proof of that one pelosi 

[Straw Man]

LMFAO ill need proof of that one pelosi 

I'd give you a bunch of links but you won't read them so why should I bother
Here's a simple chart that shows the dollar return in GDP for every dollar of various stimulus measures.
I'm suprised you're not aware of this.  It's been widely discussed in the past few years.

[tonymctones]

I'd give you a bunch of links but you won't read them so why should I bother
Here's a simple chart that shows the dollar return in GDP for every dollar of various stimulus measures.
I'm suprised you're not aware of this.  It's been widely discussed in the past few years.

LMFAO show me the link and how they got those numbers

so we get 1.73 dollars back for every dollar we give in food stamps?

hahhahahhahahhahahahhaha why are we not all on food stamps?

[Soul Crusher]

That keynsian multiplier nonsense is so laughable and absrub I can't even believe straw would resort to that crap.

[Straw Man]

LMFAO show me the link and how they got those numbers

so we get 1.73 dollars back for every dollar we give in food stamps?

hahhahahhahahhahahahhaha why are we not all on food stamps?

good lord you're dumb

the chart can be found all over the interweb and the source of the data is Moody's Analytics

think about this for a minute or two

when you give someone who is poor or out of work money (unemployment benefits, food stamps, etc..) what do you they do with it?

They spend it

That's why you get a greater return on something like that as opposed to tax cuts which usually just get's put back into savings (i.e doesn't get spent)

[Straw Man]

That keynsian multiplier nonsense is so laughable and absrub I can't even believe straw would resort to that crap.

If you dont' like it then blame Moodys not me

they compiled the data

I just posted it

[Soul Crusher]

Then why not put the entire nation on food stamps? 

[Straw Man]

Then why not put the entire nation on food stamps? 

the entire nation doesn't need them

you're really are a simple minded person

[Soul Crusher]

Not at all, just pointing out who absurd your arguments are. 

If food stamps are so great, why are the areas they are most used often the poorest and least economically productive? 

[Straw Man]

Not at all, just pointing out who absurd your arguments are. 

If food stamps are so great, why are the areas they are most used often the poorest and least economically productive? 

The only argument I made is posting data compiled by Moodys showing the dollar return to GDP of variously types of stimulus

what part do you disagree with and feel free to show your work

[Danny]

lol weve been agreeing alot lately straw, i just want to assure you know i still think youre a moran 

That's actually funny...

[Slapper]

Dang! I think someone just laid a Royal Flush on top of the table:

[Slapper]

I'd give you a bunch of links but you won't read them so why should I bother
Here's a simple chart that shows the dollar return in GDP for every dollar of various stimulus measures.
I'm suprised you're not aware of this.  It's been widely discussed in the past few years.

Dude, I think your message, as clear and to the point as it is, is not going to sink in with the Tea Baggers. Remember, in their world slogans are more important than facts.

[Soul Crusher]

No, its that you leftists always ignore and refuse to acknowledge the horrible negative effects on the other side of the equation. 

Its like the drug commercials for ED and they warn you that you can get a heart attack, blindness, etc, all for what? A 4 hour erection? 

Nice.  So you are happy you got a four erection, and now you have to deal w heart attack, blindness. Etc. 

This is why keynsian crap never works.  Its a joke and a farce and never ever works.  In fact, I can't think of one documented case where it has worked as promised.  Spain anyone? 

[Straw Man]

No, its that you leftists always ignore and refuse to acknowledge the horrible negative effects on the other side of the equation.  

Its like the drug commercials for ED and they warn you that you can get a heart attack, blindness, etc, all for what? A 4 hour erection? 

Nice.  So you are happy you got a four erection, and now you have to deal w heart attack, blindness. Etc. 

This is why keynsian crap never works.  Its a joke and a farce and never ever works.  In fact, I can't think of one documented case where it has worked as promised.  Spain anyone? 

what are the horrible negative effects of food stamps, unemployment benefits, aid to states, infrastructure spending, etc..?

[Soul Crusher]

Bankruptcy, dependency upon govt, debasing the currency, masking the real ills the economy, etc. 

[Straw Man]

Bankruptcy, dependency upon govt, debasing the currency, masking the real ills the economy, etc.  

so all those things are the result of the items listed

any chance you'd care to offer a shred of proof for your claim?

[Soul Crusher]

Let's see - record amountd on food stamps, record amounts collecting ue for longer periods of time, 1.5 trillion deficit, 14 trillion dollar detb, bankrupt states, bankrupt cities, bankrupt municipalities near default on bonds, UE getting worse despite the record deficit spending on this nonsense, etc etc etc

But oh yeah, let's do more of the same! 

[Straw Man]

Let's see - record amountd on food stamps, record amounts collecting ue for longer periods of time, 1.5 trillion deficit, 14 trillion dollar detb, bankrupt states, bankrupt cities, bankrupt municipalities near default on bonds, UE getting worse despite the record deficit spending on this nonsense, etc etc etc

But oh yeah, let's do more of the same! 

don't forget tax cuts

those are on the list too

aren't those part of the problem

How much of that 1.5 trillion deficit is from tax cuts (go look it up and let us know)

btw - wasn't your "plan" to do nothing and let unemployment get much worse (which you admittted it would) and let GDP go down?

[Soul Crusher]

Yes it was, more pain short term, wipe out the mal investments, fraud, bad actors, etc, and in the long run be far better off with a real economy. 

Instead we only delayed the inevitable and made the same problem three times as bad.

[Straw Man]

Yes it was, more pain short term, wipe out the mal investments, fraud, bad actors, etc, and in the long run be far better off with a real economy.  

Instead we only delayed the inevitable and made the same problem three times as bad.

yeah because nothing would be better than a full blown depression with 25% unemployment, negative gdp etc...

certainly the stimulus was not perfect (too much money spent on things like tax cuts which only add to deficits and give a negative return for each dollar spent) but it's exactly what the government can and should do in times like this.  

Our financial problems came from 30 years of deficit funded tax cuts and were exacerbated in the last 10 years by complete lack of regulation of Wall Street which allowed them to take larger and larger risks and creating an asset bubble that almost everyone knew was going to end in disaster (yet the banks are bailled out and bigger than ever while the tax payer foots the bill)

Take a look at how the UK has responded to the financial crisis and what the effect has been on their GDP
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350126/CBI-chief-Richard-Lambert-blasts-Government-spending-cuts-exit-speech.html