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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #150 on: May 30, 2011, 06:47:05 PM »

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #151 on: June 05, 2011, 09:31:45 AM »
hahaha Regan started the "War on Drugs" hahahahahahah Government Welfare at its finest

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #152 on: June 05, 2011, 09:34:28 AM »
And your messiah obama conitinues it and says its not a failure as late as this past week. 


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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #153 on: June 05, 2011, 09:43:32 AM »
There you go...i told you, you do that.... admit a repug does something.. and you say "but but but...Obama..did.". ;)


Yes its bad when regan Introduced it and its bad that it continues now..

apparently you cant help youself... "but but but..."

Palin writes on her hand "but but but..obama teleprompter"

hahahahahah

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #154 on: June 05, 2011, 09:48:41 AM »
Reagan was far from perfect and did a few things that sucked.  However - the facts don't lie , moron , he was one of the best potus' we had in the 20th century, far greater than the messiah. 

He inspired confidence for businesses to grow and expand and hire people.  By now - reagns recovery was producing 7 percent gdp growth and tons of jobs. 

Now - its debt, more debt, more debt and regulation, and few burger jobs sprinkled about. 


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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #155 on: June 05, 2011, 09:53:10 AM »
There you go...i told you, you do that.... admit a repug does something.. and you say "but but but...Obama..did.". ;)




The Dems have been doing this since the day Obama took office.

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #156 on: June 05, 2011, 09:59:29 AM »
I don't agree with the drug war and don't agree w everything he did, but on balance he was a great potus. 

Most blacks hated reagan because they felt they were being insulted by the welfare queen stuff. 

Tough shit - most people don't give a flying shit anymore.

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #157 on: June 05, 2011, 10:49:24 AM »
hahaha Regan started the "War on Drugs" hahahahahahah Government Welfare at its finest

No, Nixon did.
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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #158 on: June 05, 2011, 10:54:02 AM »
I don't agree with the drug war and don't agree w everything he did, but on balance he was a great potus. 

Most blacks hated reagan because they felt they were being insulted by the welfare queen stuff. 

Tough shit - most people don't give a flying shit anymore.

This was published in 1988 by the Libertarian Ludwig von Mises Institute, it shows that Reagan was the most protectionist president of recent times:

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Ronald Reagan: Protectionist
by Sheldon L. Richman

Mark Shields, a columnist for the Washington Post, re­cently wrote of President Reagan's "blind devotion to the doctrine of free trade." If President Reagan has a devo­tion to free trade, it must be blind because he has been way off the mark. In fact, he has been the most protectionist pres­ident since Herbert Hoover.

Admittedly, his rhetoric has been confusing. In 1986 Reagan said, "Our trade policy rests firmly on the foundation of free and open markets. I recognize. . . the inescapable conclusion that all of history has taught: the freer the flow of world trade, the stronger the tides of human progress and peace among nations."

But he advocated protectionism early in his 1980 cam­paign, saying to the U.S. auto industry: "Japan is part of the problem. This is where government can be legitimately in­volved. That is, to convince the Japanese in one way or another that, in their own interests, that deluge of cars must be slowed while our industry gets back on its feet..."

When he imposed a 100% tariff on selected Japanese elec­tronic products for allegedly "dumping" computer memory chips, he said he did it "to enforce the principles of free and fair trade." And Treasury Secretary James A. Baker has boasted about the protectionist record: Reagan "has granted more import relief to U.S. industry than any of his prede­cessors in more than half a century."

It's true that the administration has fought with protec­tionists in Congress, but only over who should have the power to restrict trade. As Reagan put it, "It's better policy to allow for presidents—me or my successors—to have options for dealing with trade problems."

Defenders of the Reagan policies will say that he has engaged in protectionism to open foreign markets. But they cannot deny that one-quarter of all imports are today restricted, a 100% increase over 1980.

Nor are foreign markets more open. The Reagan adminis­tration talks about exporting free enterprise, but in fact it has exported economic intervention to Japan, South Korea, and other nations.

When the United States imposes import quotas or pressures a foreign government to do so, a compul­sory cartel must arise in the exporting country, since its gov­ernment will assign the quotas among private firms and administer the system. Ronald Reagan has forced nations that export textiles, apparel, sugar, steel, and other products to cartelize these industries.

Can trade restrictions open foreign markets? The use of government power to regulate trade is more likely to produce conflict of which American consumers and exporters become the victims. It is also naive, because it ignores the political pressure to maintain existing restrictions. The United States, for example, could impose new limits on Japanese autos to force Japan to accept beef exports from Iowa. But, as syn­dicated columnist Stephen Chapman asks, "Does anyone be­lieve that when Japan starts buying Iowa beef, Ford and Chrysler will stop trying to keep out Japanese cars?"

Considering our own intricate web of trade restrictions, it is sanctimonious for the U.S. government to lecture others about opening their markets. It might be in a better position to make demand~ if it first stripped our economy of those re­strictions. But wouldn't we be giving up bargaining chips? Yes. But the objective is not to negotiate; it is to enjoy the benefits of productivity and the international division of labor. The bonanza of unconditional free trade would be so great for the United States that it would set a good example for the rest of the world.

The value of free trade does not depend on open markets abroad. It is good for the nation that practices it, regardless of what others do. The purpose of an economic system is not to produce jobs or sell products abroad. Those are means. The end is satisfaction of our material wants. Free trade is good because our standard of living depends on how easily we can get the products and services we want.

One is led to ask: with free-traders like this, who needs

protectionists?

The administration has thus far:

    * Forced Japan to accept restraints on auto exports;
    * Tightened considerably the quotas on imported sugar;
    * Negotiated to increase the restrictiveness of the Multi­fiber Arrangement governing trade in textiles and apparel;
    * Required 18 countries, including Brazil, Spain, South
    * Korea, Japan, Mexico, South Africa, Finland, Australia, and the European Community, to accept "voluntary re­straint agreements" that reduce their steel imports to the United States;
    * Imposed a 45% duty on Japanese motorcycles for the ben­efit of Harley Davidson, which admitted that superior
    * Japanese management was the cause of its problems;
    * Raised tariffs on Canadian lumber and cedar shingles;
    * Forced the Japanese into an agreement to control the price of computer memory chips;
    * Removed third-world countries on several occasions from the duty-free import program for developing nations;
    * Pressed Japan to force its automakers to buy more Ameri­can-made parts;
    * Demanded that Taiwan, West Germany, Japan, and Switzerland restrain their exports of machine tools;
    * Accused the Japanese of dumping roller bearings on grounds that the price did not rise to cover a fall in the value of the yen;
    * Accused the Japanese of dumping forklift trucks and color picture tubes;
    * Extended quotas on imported clothes pins;
    * Failed to ask Congress to end the ban on the export of Alaskan oil and timber cut from federal lands;
    * Redefined dumping so domestic firms can more easily charge foreign competitors with unfair trade practices;
    * Beefed-up the Export-Import Bank, an institution dedicated to distorting the American economy at the ex­pense of the American people in order to artificially pro­mote exports of eight large corporations.

The World Bank estimates that import restrictions in 1984 had the same effect as a 66% income tax surcharge on Amer­ica's poorest citizens. Less obvious is the harm to American producers, who lose exports and pay more for capital goods because of protectionism. For example, everyone, including the beleaguered American auto industry, has to pay more for steel because of the Reagan administration's restrictions on imports. Even the steel industry is hurt because artificially high prices stimulate the search for alternative materials.

President Reagan missed a unique opportunity to begin freeing the American economy from the shackles of trade re­strictions. He need not have given the American people a technical lesson in economics. He could have said that free trade requires no more justification than domestic economic freedom; indeed, it requires no more justification than the traditional American values of a humane and open society.

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Sheldon Richman is now editor of The Freeman, published by the Foundation for Economic Education. Send him mail or comments

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #159 on: June 05, 2011, 11:20:58 AM »
I would argue that JFK was our last "real" president.  He had to be erased though since he was going to end the Federal Reserve and didn't want to go to war in Vietnam.   
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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #161 on: June 06, 2011, 08:45:53 AM »
No, Nixon did.

Right.. but who took it to the next level and threw shit tons of money at it...

Let the CIA and military get in on the fund.. I call that government Welfare

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #163 on: June 06, 2011, 09:01:22 AM »
Reagan was far from perfect and did a few things that sucked.  However - the facts don't lie , moron , he was one of the best potus' we had in the 20th century, far greater than the messiah. 

He inspired confidence for businesses to grow and expand and hire people.  By now - reagns recovery was producing 7 percent gdp growth and tons of jobs. 

Now - its debt, more debt, more debt and regulation, and few burger jobs sprinkled about. 



Dude ushered in the Crack Cocaine Epidemic. Read Dark alliance...Gary Webb.. The one that made the connection. Oh shit you know he is dead now... shot "himself" twice in the head..

Now i know you dont have any knowledge of this, but just read up on it before you go all 8th grader on me and type dumb ass moronic sarcastic gay shit and put stupid ass rolley eyes.

I dont doubt that America was at its highest pride point in patriotism and he handled the cold war. But he did raise taxes. He did raise the Federal Work force by 60k and expanded the budget while yelling "small government"

He had a 165 billion bailout program. Im not sure what that translates to in todays terms.

Im sure he raised the defecit from like 700bil to something like 2.5-3trillion

  Meanwhile, following that initial tax cut, Reagan actually ended up raising taxes - eleven times. That's according to former Republican Sen. Alan Simpson, a longtime Reagan friend who co-chaired President Obama's fiscal commission that last year offered a deficit reduction proposal.

"Ronald Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes," historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan's diaries, told NPR. "He knew that it was necessary at times. And so there's a false mythology out there about Reagan as this conservative president who came in and just cut taxes and trimmed federal spending in a dramatic way. It didn't happen that way. It's false"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20030729-503544.html

Im not saying he was a bad president. i was like 2.. but the facts and the myth are not adding up...

All presidents suck.. thats the bottom line.. Except clinton.. Dude Rocked.. then Newt tried to get him kicked out for gettin a BJ..

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #164 on: June 06, 2011, 09:04:33 AM »
People offer me drugs and nasty shit all the time - doesnt mean i induge in it.     

and please - ask anyone who remembers the 1980's - it was far better compared to the 70's Carter I era.    The only issue now is do we get a Reagan 2.0 after Carter 2.0       

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #165 on: June 06, 2011, 09:05:16 AM »
Yep Clinton & Reagan, the last 2 presidents I didn't hate.  HAHAHAHAH

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #166 on: June 06, 2011, 09:06:27 AM »
I would argue that JFK was our last "real" president.  He had to be erased though since he was going to end the Federal Reserve and didn't want to go to war in Vietnam.   

JFK is greatly overrated. Only 2 things he is known for his presidency. Bay of Pigs and turning the White House into a whore house.

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #167 on: June 06, 2011, 09:07:40 AM »
People offer me drugs and nasty shit all the time - doesnt mean i induge in it.     

and please - ask anyone who remembers the 1980's - it was far better compared to the 70's Carter I era.    The only issue now is do we get a Reagan 2.0 after Carter 2.0       

I just stated some facts... i sure the 80s were good for some especially since we we creating an entirely new industry with the Tech age. But Again.. Dude raised taxes to fund medicare and social Security... ... am i right

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #168 on: June 06, 2011, 09:09:27 AM »
JFK is greatly overrated. Only 2 things he is known for his presidency. Bay of Pigs and turning the White House into a whore house.

I didnt want to sound like an asshole.. but im inclined to agree.. I would say his brother and the DOJ did more to progress the country in race relations and civil rights.....

I always wonder how scary i could have been during the CMC... i heard there were like Bomb Drills in schools in anticipation of a missile attack

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #169 on: June 06, 2011, 09:10:28 AM »
I didnt want to sound like an asshole.. but im inclined to agree.. I would say his brother and the DOJ did more to progress the country in race relations and civil rights.....

I always wonder how scary i could have been during the CMC... i heard there were like Bomb Drills in schools in anticipation of a missile attack

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #170 on: June 06, 2011, 09:13:06 AM »
Duck and Cover.    LMAO.   

Im just saying.. i wasnt alive.. but i saw videos.. muthafuckas were in class jumpin under desks and what not.. i would just move to iceland

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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #171 on: June 06, 2011, 10:12:33 AM »
Right.. but who took it to the next level and threw shit tons of money at it...

Let the CIA and military get in on the fund.. I call that government Welfare

The CIA was already laundering drug money for Vietnam in the 70's. Reagan upped it yes, but the idea was older.
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Re: Happy Birthday Ronald Reagan - our last real President.
« Reply #172 on: June 06, 2011, 10:23:39 AM »
The CIA was already laundering drug money for Vietnam in the 70's. Reagan upped it yes, but the idea was older.


Ill give you that.. but i didnt hear about the laundering of the drug money until the crack thing

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« Reply #173 on: June 06, 2011, 10:30:38 AM »

Ill give you that.. but i didnt hear about the laundering of the drug money until the crack thing


You mean until you started smoking it yourself?   ???  ???  ??? 

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« Reply #174 on: June 06, 2011, 10:30:59 AM »

Ill give you that.. but i didnt hear about the laundering of the drug money until the crack thing


It started in the 70's when they helped to transport heroine throughout the region.
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