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KRISTOL CALLS OUT BECK OVER 'HYSTERIA'
« on: February 06, 2011, 07:15:03 AM »
KRISTOL CALLS OUT BECK OVER 'HYSTERIA'.... There were some noticeable fissures among conservatives as the revolution in Egypt got underway, but those differences have intensified this week, with the right splintering into a growing number of factions. As of this morning, it's impossible to say what "the conservative line" is on Egypt.

What's easy to say is that the line isn't where Fox News' Glenn Beck is drawing it. The deranged media personality has spent the last several days cooking up truly bizarre conspiracy theories -- even by his standards -- involving caliphates, communists, and radical theocrats, all of which has culminated in Beck urging his minions to store food because the "new world order" may be coming to get them.

Yesterday, The Weekly Standard's editor William Kristol, a Fox News contributor, called Beck and his ilk out in print.

Now, people are more than entitled to their own opinions of how best to accomplish that democratic end. And it's a sign of health that a political and intellectual movement does not respond to a complicated set of developments with one voice.

But hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s.

Nor is it a sign of health when other American conservatives are so fearful of a popular awakening that they side with the dictator against the democrats. Rather, it's a sign of fearfulness unworthy of Americans, of short-sightedness uncharacteristic of conservatives, of excuse-making for thuggery unworthy of the American conservative tradition.



Kristol tends to be a loyal party man, reluctant to publicly criticize his allies. Beck and other unhinged conservatives, in other words, must have really gone too far to draw this kind of rebuke.

What's also interesting is that National Review's Rich Lowry, who's also a Fox News contributor, piled on yesterday, praising Kristol for taking "a well-deserved shot at Glenn Beck's latest wild theorizing."

Time's Joe Klein, meanwhile, added that he considers these criticisms pretty important.

Kristol lies very close to the throbbing heart of the Fox News sensibility. And I've heard, from more than a couple of conservative sources, that prominent Republicans have approached Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes about the potential embarrassment that the paranoid-messianic rodeo clown may bring upon their brand. The speculation is that Beck is on thin ice. His ratings are dropping, too -- which, in the end, is a good part of what this is all about. But I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a mirror-Olbermann situation soon.


For the record, I find it extremely hard to believe Fox News would actually dump Beck. It wouldn't surprise me if Murdoch and Ailes were taking some heat over Beck's idiocy, and that GOP leaders consider Beck an embarrassment, but I've never seen a shred of evidence that Murdoch and Ailes have any professional or ethical standards at all.

Regardless, it appears Beck's shtick is starting to wear thin, with his audience and with his own conservative allies. Whether his job is safe or not, that's good news.

—Steve Benen

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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2011, 07:19:27 AM »
Kristol is the uber neocon if one ever existed.

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2011, 09:33:15 AM »
KRISTOL CALLS OUT BECK OVER 'HYSTERIA'.... There were some noticeable fissures among conservatives as the revolution in Egypt got underway, but those differences have intensified this week, with the right splintering into a growing number of factions. As of this morning, it's impossible to say what "the conservative line" is on Egypt.

What's easy to say is that the line isn't where Fox News' Glenn Beck is drawing it. The deranged media personality has spent the last several days cooking up truly bizarre conspiracy theories -- even by his standards -- involving caliphates, communists, and radical theocrats, all of which has culminated in Beck urging his minions to store food because the "new world order" may be coming to get them.

Yesterday, The Weekly Standard's editor William Kristol, a Fox News contributor, called Beck and his ilk out in print.

Now, people are more than entitled to their own opinions of how best to accomplish that democratic end. And it's a sign of health that a political and intellectual movement does not respond to a complicated set of developments with one voice.

But hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s.

Nor is it a sign of health when other American conservatives are so fearful of a popular awakening that they side with the dictator against the democrats. Rather, it's a sign of fearfulness unworthy of Americans, of short-sightedness uncharacteristic of conservatives, of excuse-making for thuggery unworthy of the American conservative tradition.



Kristol tends to be a loyal party man, reluctant to publicly criticize his allies. Beck and other unhinged conservatives, in other words, must have really gone too far to draw this kind of rebuke.

What's also interesting is that National Review's Rich Lowry, who's also a Fox News contributor, piled on yesterday, praising Kristol for taking "a well-deserved shot at Glenn Beck's latest wild theorizing."

Time's Joe Klein, meanwhile, added that he considers these criticisms pretty important.

Kristol lies very close to the throbbing heart of the Fox News sensibility. And I've heard, from more than a couple of conservative sources, that prominent Republicans have approached Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes about the potential embarrassment that the paranoid-messianic rodeo clown may bring upon their brand. The speculation is that Beck is on thin ice. His ratings are dropping, too -- which, in the end, is a good part of what this is all about. But I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a mirror-Olbermann situation soon.


For the record, I find it extremely hard to believe Fox News would actually dump Beck. It wouldn't surprise me if Murdoch and Ailes were taking some heat over Beck's idiocy, and that GOP leaders consider Beck an embarrassment, but I've never seen a shred of evidence that Murdoch and Ailes have any professional or ethical standards at all.

Regardless, it appears Beck's shtick is starting to wear thin, with his audience and with his own conservative allies. Whether his job is safe or not, that's good news.

—Steve Benen

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2011, 09:43:11 AM »
Kristol is the uber neocon if one ever existed.

  This. Beck seems to really be reaching with this latest CT, but Kristol is in no position.

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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2011, 10:06:18 AM »
do not bring up Kristol like it has any meaning other than "hardcore neocon dipwad numbnut..."

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2011, 10:09:01 AM »
do not bring up Kristol like it has any meaning other than "hardcore neocon dipwad numbnut..."

we can also thank Kristol for making Palin a blight on our national political stage.

Kristol is a neocon piece of shit if ever there was one which makes it even more interesting that he is now drawing a line in the sand when it comes to Beck

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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2011, 10:12:24 AM »
Kristol... i dunnno.... I like him some of the time.  i understand, he surely backed the whole cheney cabal and whatnot...

but lately, kristol has said some things that are a lot more conservative, constitutional and common sense - and less of the "let's kiss every republican's ass" mode.

That kind of honesty is what the GOP needs to get some credibility back.  beck is a fcking nut, let's be honest guys.  he gets some things right, but he's beyond CT in many areas.  Good to see it's not just the same ol repubs kissing his ass all day, therefore wearing the same stink he wears...

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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2011, 10:28:23 AM »
we can also thank Kristol for making Palin a blight on our national political stage.

Kristol is a neocon piece of shit if ever there was one which makes it even more interesting that he is now drawing a line in the sand when it comes to Beck
no, nothing about kristol is interesting... with his bad rep as a leading neocon he constantly does whatever it takes to keep his name in the middle of shit to feel relevant.  If people are talking about Beck, he's going to find a way to stick his name in to keep in the game.  That is all... he's a desperate loser.  There is nothing here beyond that.  Kristol will and should be ignored and forgotten as indeed most of the right and all of the left have done... I have no clue how this guy even gets airtime these days...  Nobody gives a rats fuck what he says.

And you have to be retarded to post anything involving this joke.

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2011, 10:29:39 AM »
Kristol... i dunnno.... I like him some of the time. 
BWHAHAHAhahahahah.....

One question....

WHAT THE FUCK WHY?

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Re: KRISTOL CALLS OUT BECK OVER 'HYSTERIA'
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2011, 10:55:02 AM »
no, nothing about kristol is interesting... with his bad rep as a leading neocon he constantly does whatever it takes to keep his name in the middle of shit to feel relevant.  If people are talking about Beck, he's going to find a way to stick his name in to keep in the game.  That is all... he's a desperate loser.  There is nothing here beyond that.  Kristol will and should be ignored and forgotten as indeed most of the right and all of the left have done... I have no clue how this guy even gets airtime these days...  Nobody gives a rats fuck what he says.

And you have to be retarded to post anything involving this joke.


I said the fact that he is drawing the line in the sand with Beck is interesting

I think Kristol is a complete piece of shit

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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2011, 11:09:35 AM »
no, nothing about kristol is interesting... with his bad rep as a leading neocon he constantly does whatever it takes to keep his name in the middle of shit to feel relevant.  If people are talking about Beck, he's going to find a way to stick his name in to keep in the game.  That is all... he's a desperate loser.  There is nothing here beyond that.  Kristol will and should be ignored and forgotten as indeed most of the right and all of the left have done... I have no clue how this guy even gets airtime these days...  Nobody gives a rats fuck what he says.

And you have to be retarded to post anything involving this joke.


well we know how you feel about kristol, how about beck

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Re: KRISTOL CALLS OUT BECK OVER 'HYSTERIA'
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2011, 04:12:55 PM »
KRISTOL CALLS OUT BECK OVER 'HYSTERIA'.... There were some noticeable fissures among conservatives as the revolution in Egypt got underway, but those differences have intensified this week, with the right splintering into a growing number of factions. As of this morning, it's impossible to say what "the conservative line" is on Egypt.

What's easy to say is that the line isn't where Fox News' Glenn Beck is drawing it. The deranged media personality has spent the last several days cooking up truly bizarre conspiracy theories -- even by his standards -- involving caliphates, communists, and radical theocrats, all of which has culminated in Beck urging his minions to store food because the "new world order" may be coming to get them.

Yesterday, The Weekly Standard's editor William Kristol, a Fox News contributor, called Beck and his ilk out in print.

Now, people are more than entitled to their own opinions of how best to accomplish that democratic end. And it's a sign of health that a political and intellectual movement does not respond to a complicated set of developments with one voice.

But hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s.

Nor is it a sign of health when other American conservatives are so fearful of a popular awakening that they side with the dictator against the democrats. Rather, it's a sign of fearfulness unworthy of Americans, of short-sightedness uncharacteristic of conservatives, of excuse-making for thuggery unworthy of the American conservative tradition.



Kristol tends to be a loyal party man, reluctant to publicly criticize his allies. Beck and other unhinged conservatives, in other words, must have really gone too far to draw this kind of rebuke.

What's also interesting is that National Review's Rich Lowry, who's also a Fox News contributor, piled on yesterday, praising Kristol for taking "a well-deserved shot at Glenn Beck's latest wild theorizing."

Time's Joe Klein, meanwhile, added that he considers these criticisms pretty important.

Kristol lies very close to the throbbing heart of the Fox News sensibility. And I've heard, from more than a couple of conservative sources, that prominent Republicans have approached Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes about the potential embarrassment that the paranoid-messianic rodeo clown may bring upon their brand. The speculation is that Beck is on thin ice. His ratings are dropping, too -- which, in the end, is a good part of what this is all about. But I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a mirror-Olbermann situation soon.


For the record, I find it extremely hard to believe Fox News would actually dump Beck. It wouldn't surprise me if Murdoch and Ailes were taking some heat over Beck's idiocy, and that GOP leaders consider Beck an embarrassment, but I've never seen a shred of evidence that Murdoch and Ailes have any professional or ethical standards at all.

Regardless, it appears Beck's shtick is starting to wear thin, with his audience and with his own conservative allies. Whether his job is safe or not, that's good news.

—Steve Benen

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Re: KRISTOL CALLS OUT BECK OVER 'HYSTERIA'
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2011, 04:13:57 PM »
Kristol... i dunnno.... I like him some of the time.  i understand, he surely backed the whole cheney cabal and whatnot...

but lately, kristol has said some things that are a lot more conservative, constitutional and common sense - and less of the "let's kiss every republican's ass" mode.

That kind of honesty is what the GOP needs to get some credibility back.  beck is a fcking nut, let's be honest guys.  he gets some things right, but he's beyond CT in many areas.  Good to see it's not just the same ol repubs kissing his ass all day, therefore wearing the same stink he wears...

agreed 100%

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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2011, 04:41:23 PM »
I think Krystol will be the man who sinks palin if she runs.  I think he'll be one of the people who is up front uniting the tea party and the mainstream repubs - their only hope of beating obama.  He knows he'll never run for office... and even though he's a fox employee, if she resigns and runs, I bet he is the one that says what everyone is thinking.

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Re: KRISTOL CALLS OUT BECK OVER 'HYSTERIA'
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2011, 01:22:33 PM »
Beck blasts Kristol: 'Do anything to keep their little fiefdom together'
Politico ^ | February 7, 2011 | Ben Smith





Fox News's Glenn Beck lashed out at Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol on his radio show this morning, accusing Kristol of betraying conservatism and missing the significance of what Beck sees as an alliance between Islamism and socialism.

"I don't even know if you understand what conservatives are anymore, Billy," Beck said in his extended, sarcastic attack on Kristol. "People like Bill Kristol, I don't think they stand for anything any more. All they stand for is power. They'll do anything to keep their little fiefdom together, and they'll do anything to keep the Republican power entrenched."

--snip--

Beck, in response, defended his broad theories by reading from the work of the Muslim writer Zudhi Jasser, a sharp critic of most Muslim leaders, to argue of the threat from "Islamic socialism." He also accused Kristol of propping up Hosni Mubarak, of being stuck in 1973, and of failing to see that "we are fighting the forces of evil on this planet."

"I think he's still trying to get Bob Dole elected, i'm not really sure," said Beck.


(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


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Re: KRISTOL CALLS OUT BECK OVER 'HYSTERIA'
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2011, 06:13:27 AM »
Looks like Beck may have been right.   


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Muslim Brotherhood text reveals scope of radical creed
By OREN KESSLER 
02/09/2011 02:09

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=207415


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Translated by Palestinian Media Watch, book details group’s goal of global Islamic conquest.
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One of the greatest beneficiaries of the unrest in Egypt has been the Muslim Brotherhood.

Banned but tolerated for decades by successive Egyptian regimes, the Islamist movement is now emerging as a central player in the country’s resurgent opposition.

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On Tuesday, two Brotherhood representatives participated in an opposition delegation that met with Vice President Omar Suleiman for the first set of talks over implementing political reforms.

Pundits have portrayed the Brotherhood as uncompromising zealots or beneficent providers of social services that long-deprived Egyptians desperately need.

But a translation released Tuesday of a 1995 book by the movement’s fifth official leader sheds light on just how Egypt’s Brotherhood views itself and its mission. Jihad is the Way is the last of a five-volume work, The Laws of Da’wa by Mustafa Mashhur, who headed the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt from 1996-2002.



The Jerusalem Post on Tuesday saw excerpts of the text, compiled by Palestinian Media Watch founder Itamar Marcus and analyst Nan Jacques Zilberdik.

They detail the Brotherhood’s objectives of advancing the global conquest of Islam and reestablishing the Islamic Caliphate, the public and private duties of jihad and the struggle Muslims must wage against Israel.

The full text, translated by PMW, will be posted Wednesday on the organization’s website, Palwatch.org.

“The Islamic ummah,” it says, referring to the supranational community of Muslims, “can regain its power and be liberated and assume its rightful position which was intended by Allah, as the most exalted nation among men, as the leaders of humanity.”

Elsewhere, it exhorts Muslims, “Know your status, and believe firmly that you are the masters of the world, even if your enemies desire your degradation.”


 
Marcus spoke to the Post about what he views as the danger of downplaying the Brotherhood’s ideology, or expecting it to moderate its objectives after being allowed into the political process. The movement differs from international terror groups like Al-Qaida, he said, only in tactics, not in its goals.

Marcus cited passages in the text that urge Muslims to wage jihad only when circumstances are ripe.

“The Brotherhood is not rushed by youth’s enthusiasm into immature and unplanned action which will not alter the bad reality and may even harm the Islamic activity, and will benefit the people of falsehood,” Mashhur wrote.

“One should know that it is not necessary that the Muslims repel every attack or damage caused by the enemies of Allah immediately, but [only] when ability and the circumstances are fit to it.”

Jihad is the Way explicitly endorses the reinstatement of a worldwide Islamic regime.

“It should be known that jihad and preparation towards jihad are not only for the purpose of fending off assaults and attacks of Allah’s enemies from Muslims, but are also for the purpose of realizing the great task of establishing an Islamic state and strengthening the religion and spreading it around the world.”

“Jihad for Allah,” Mashhur wrote, “is not limited to the specific region of the Islamic countries, since the Muslim homeland is one and is not divided, and the banner of Jihad has already been raised in some of its parts, and shall continue to be raised, with the help of Allah, until every inch of the land of Islam will be liberated, and the State of Islam established.”

Hassan al-Banna, the movement’s founder, “felt the grave danger overshadowing the Muslims and the urgent need and obligation which Islam places on every Muslim, man and woman, to act in order to restore the Islamic Caliphate and to reestablish the Islamic state on strong foundations.”

Despite its universal message, the book attaches particular significance to the Holy Land.

“Honorable brothers have achieved shahada [martyrdom] on the soil of beloved Palestine, during the years ’47 and ’48, in their jihad against the criminal, thieving, gangs of Zion,” it says.

“Still today, memory of them horrifies the Jews and the name of the Muslim Brotherhood terrifies them.”

Elsewhere, Mushhar wrote, “The imam and shahid Hassan Al-Banna is considered as a martyr of Palestine, even if he was not killed on its soil ... in all his writings and conversations, he always urged towards jihad and aroused the desire for seeking martyrdom ... he did not content himself only with speech and writing, and when the opportunity arrived for jihad in Palestine, he hurried and seized it.”

Wielding a broader brush, Mashhur wrote, “The problems of the Islamic world – such as in Palestine, Afghanistan, Syria, Eritrea or the Philippines – are not issues of territories and nations, but of faith and religion.

They are the problems of Islam and all Muslims, and their resolution cannot be negotiated and bargained by recognizing the enemy’s right to the Islamic land he stole, and therefore there is no other option but jihad for Allah, and this is why jihad is the way.”

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Re: KRISTOL CALLS OUT BECK OVER 'HYSTERIA'
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2011, 07:45:07 AM »
That's usually the pattern. Beck will check out what's going on and make the connections that something like this is about to go down.

The left-winged goofies (and an occasional right-wing one) in the media will pick on him, laugh him to scorn, call him names, etc., claiming that he's a conspiracy nut.

Once Beck has been shown to be CORRECT, they end up with the usual deer-in-the-headlights, egg-on-face look, actually SHOCKED that something Beck (and others) saw coming a mile away came to fruition.

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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2011, 02:49:37 PM »
That's usually the pattern. Beck will check out what's going on and make the connections that something like this is about to go down.

The left-winged goofies (and an occasional right-wing one) in the media will pick on him, laugh him to scorn, call him names, etc., claiming that he's a conspiracy nut.

Once Beck has been shown to be CORRECT, they end up with the usual deer-in-the-headlights, egg-on-face look, actually SHOCKED that something Beck (and others) saw coming a mile away came to fruition.

Those expired supplements are affecting your brain again McWay