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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2011, 08:46:01 AM »
Jim Jones bucks Obama on Keystone XL pipeline
Posted By Josh Rogin  Friday, December 16, 2011 - 1:05 PM   Share




Former National Security Advisor Jim Jones called today for quick action on the Keystone XL pipeline construction, directly opposing the White House he worked for only a few months ago.

Jones, who rarely speaks in public and almost never contradicts his former boss President Barack Obama, lashed out against the administration in a press call and warned of grave consequences to U.S. national security if the project to build the pipeline doesn't move forward immediately. The call was sponsored by the American Petroleum Institute and Jones was joined on the call by API President and CEO Jack Gerard.

"In a tightly contested global economy, where securing energy resources is a national must, we should be able to act with speed and agility. And any threat to this project, by delay or otherwise, would constitute a significant setback," said Jones. "The failure to [move forward with the project] will prolong the risk to our economy and our energy security" and "send the wrong message to job creators."

The comments come at the worst possible moment for the Obama administration, which is trying to beat back an effort from congressional Republicans to attach language that would force a decision on the pipeline to legislation that extends unemployment insurance and the payroll tax holiday for middle class Americans.

Obama has promised to veto any bill that comes to his desk with the Keystone XL pipeline language, and the State Department has said that if it is forced to come to a quick decision on the pipeline, that decision would be no because there has not been enough time to properly evaluate environmental and logistical considerations.

The Cable asked Jones if he was getting paid by API for supporting its cause. Jones said he was not getting paid, and was speaking out because he believed in the pipeline cause.

"I've known Jack Gerard for a number of years... and when he called me a few days ago and asked me if I was willing to participate in this because of my interest in energy issues, I agreed to do so," Jones said.

Jones said the project was an important piece of the U.S.-Canada relationship and that if the United States doesn't act, Canada may decide to cancel the project and give its energy resources to the Chinese. He also said if they United States doesn't move forward with the pipeline, that would be another signal of fading U.S. leadership in the world.

"If we get to a point where the nation cannot bring itself to do, for whatever reason, those things that we all know is in our national interest... then we are definitely in a period of decline in terms of our global leadership and in terms of our ability to compete in the 21st century," said Jones.

Jones said that he was not in touch with the administration directly on this issue, but that he told Obama personally just before resigning that Obama had a chance to be the "energy president," but was failing to distinguish himself on the issue.

"I do not think the United States has a comprehensive strategy for energy writ large and that's a critical shortfall. Nor do I think we are properly organized," Jones said. "In my last few days I communicated that to the president."

UPDATE: A reader passes on this 2008 article from ThinkProgress that points out Jones was the  Institute for 21st Century Energy, a organization closely affiliated with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.  According to the article, Jones' Transition Plan at the Institute "calls for billions of dollars in subsidies for the nuclear and coal industry, a dramatic expansion in domestic oil and natural gas drilling into protected areas, and massive new energy industry tax breaks and loopholes."




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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2011, 01:02:20 PM »
No Credible Case Against Keystone (Obama should approve it)
National Review ^ | 12/17/2011 | Deroy Murdock
Posted on December 17, 2011 3:08:44 PM EST by SeekAndFind

To recap:  

Some 160 million Americans will watch their taxes rise about $1,000 each, if the current payroll-tax cut ends on January 1.  

Millions of jobless Americans will see their unemployment benefits run out, if the federal government does not extend them by year’s end.  

The Iranian government this week threatened to shut the Strait of Hormuz and bottle up a key route that oil tankers use to deliver petroleum to an energy-hungry planet.  

President Obama could fix the first two problems and ameliorate the dangers of the third, if he would sign legislation to extend the tax cut and unemployment benefits.  

The sticking point, of course, is Republican language requiring Obama to make a decision on the Keystone XL pipeline, which would transport friendly oil from the Canadian oil sands to refineries in Texas. While America moans beneath an 8.6 percent unemployment rate, the pipeline would create 20,000 well-paying jobs in labor-happy industries. That’s why the AFL-CIO and other unions support Keystone.  

Obama and the Democrats claim that Keystone XL is environmentally risky. To hear them speak, Keystone would scar the pristine line separating America from its peaceful neighbor and then despoil sensitive land and habitat across the fruited plains. As this map shows, however, the U.S.-Canadian border and the path the project would take already are swarming with pipelines:  



While the map above shows pipelines that carry all commodities, those that transport crude oil and refined petroleum products are numerous all by themselves. At least twelve such pipelines already intersect the northern frontier, as this map illustrates:  



Obama and his comrades complain further that Keystone XL would jeopardize the Ogallala Aquifer, a sort of underground Great Lake that runs from South Dakota to Texas.   Here again, Democrats might have a point if Keystone XL were the first pipeline to traverse the aquifer. However, as the map below confirms, this is a bit like worrying about the growth of America’s welfare state: Too late!  



So, America either should install Keystone XL, with all of its benefits, or — if such pipelines really are as dangerous as Democrats argue — yank out all these pipelines that could destroy Ogallala.  

Most galling, the U.S. House–approved bill, which the Senate will consider soon, does not require President Obama to endorse Keystone XL. It merely directs him to make a decision on it within 60 days. Under the GOP-backed provision, Obama could kill Keystone XL — but he would have to make up his mind either way.  

But rather than lead, Obama prefers to straddle. He wants to delay a decision until after the November 2012 election, to avoid offending either Big Labor or the environmental movement. If he can slither quietly between the two, Obama reckons, his reelection prospects grow.  

Agree or disagree with them, the Left used to make valid points, although their solutions usually were wrong. Now, increasingly and especially with Keystone, they have no case, no issue, and no argument other than: “NO!”

— New York commentator Deroy Murdock is a nationally syndicated columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution, and Peace at Stanford University. 





Rot in hell Obama you piece of shit along w every piece of shit who voted for you.  Fucking asshole.   

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2011, 03:06:12 PM »
333 - are you in favor of this thing?

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2011, 03:18:09 PM »
333 - are you in favor of this thing?

Yes of course.     


Obama is for jobs like sandusky is for kids. 

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2011, 03:21:06 PM »
Yes of course.     


Obama is for jobs like sandusky is for kids. 

so now you're in favor of the use of eminent domain?

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #55 on: December 17, 2011, 03:38:40 PM »
so now you're in favor of the use of eminent domain?


My understanding is that they have alternative paths mitigating that issue.   Both parties want it and guess who again is the main obstacle to progress groeth, etc, obama, like on everything else. 

Until he is gone - nothing will improve. 

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2011, 03:41:50 PM »

My understanding is that they have alternative paths mitigating that issue.   Both parties want it and guess who again is the main obstacle to progress groeth, etc, obama, like on everything else.  

Until he is gone - nothing will improve.  

Does "both parties" include the farmers who have already had their land seized against their will?

btw - are there only two interested parties?

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2011, 11:20:44 PM »
Does "both parties" include the farmers who have already had their land seized against their will?

btw - are there only two interested parties?
funny youre against forcing the farmers to do something for the "greater good" against there will yet youre A-OK with the health care mandate b/c its for the "greater good"

guess its only "good" when you agree with it?

typical liberal thinking

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2011, 04:57:23 AM »
funny youre against forcing the farmers to do something for the "greater good" against there will yet youre A-OK with the health care mandate b/c its for the "greater good"

guess its only "good" when you agree with it?

typical liberal thinking

Liberals like straw don't give a damn about real middle class jobs.    They are wedded t their enviro nazi agenda at all costs. 

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2011, 01:12:21 PM »
funny youre against forcing the farmers to do something for the "greater good" against there will yet youre A-OK with the health care mandate b/c its for the "greater good"

guess its only "good" when you agree with it?

typical liberal thinking

funny how you've concluded I'm against it when I've never said whether I'm for or against it

typical Bereft Fury not thinking .....as usual

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2011, 01:13:14 PM »
Liberals like straw don't give a damn about real middle class jobs.    They are wedded t their enviro nazi agenda at all costs. 

you're the main enviro nazi on this board

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #61 on: December 18, 2011, 01:15:27 PM »
The best thing about this topic is that it proves how much of a pussy Obama is. This guy constantly delays any major decision until after the elections. He has no principles or backbone whatsoever.

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #62 on: December 18, 2011, 03:25:41 PM »
funny how you've concluded I'm against it when I've never said whether I'm for or against it

typical Bereft Fury not thinking .....as usual
LOL ok well go on record then hoss, are you for it or against it?

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #63 on: December 18, 2011, 03:27:20 PM »
The best thing about this topic is that it proves how much of a pussy Obama is. This guy constantly delays any major decision until after the elections. He has no principles or backbone whatsoever.

Very simple formula - if its good for America - Obama hates it.    If it's bad for America - Obama will not rest until it's implemented. 

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #64 on: December 18, 2011, 08:14:44 PM »
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WH advisor: Keystone 'almost certainly impossible'
The Washington Examiner ^ | December 18, 2011 | Joel Gehrke
Posted on December 18, 2011 10:57:00 PM EST by 2ndDivisionVet

One of President Obama's top economic advisors said that the Keystone XL pipeline "almost certainly" will not be approved, despite its potential as a job-creating measure, because the environmental studies will not be finished within the 60 days in which Congress required Obama to make a decision.

"If [State Department officials] were only given 60 days to look at alternative routes in Nebraska and do the serious environmental and health reviews," explained Sperling, director of Obama's National Economic Council, during a CNN interview, "[it] would make it almost certainly impossible to extend that permit."

Sen. Dick Lugar, R-Ind., claims that approval of the Keystone oil pipeline -- which would stretch from Canada to Texas -- would "create 20,000 direct jobs in building the pipeline and manufacturing," while a former advisor to Obama has called the pipeline a national security issue.

Environmental concerns might block the pipeline, however. The Nebraska legislature voted unanimously to reroute the pipeline away from certain ecologically sensitive areas, and the governor signed the bill, but now he supports expediting approval of the pipeline. "I certainly support expediting everything we're doing with the Keystone XL project," Gov. Dave Heineman, R-Neb., told reporters last week. He'd like the State Department to approve quickly whatever plan the state develops after completing its environmental review of alternative routes.

The environmental reviews that the State Department would conduct will not be completed before the 2012 election.








More lies from Obama.   

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #65 on: December 21, 2011, 09:00:22 AM »
Harper to Obama: I’ve got plenty of buyers for our oil
Hot Air ^ | December 21,2011 | ED MORRISSEY




Clearly, Harper isn’t enamored with Barack Obama’s stalling on the Keystone XL pipeline. Kelly McParland got the same impression, and writes at the National Post that Harper kept it friendly but made no mistake about playing political and economic hardball if Obama continues to stall

Stephen Harper sent a none-too-subtle shot across the bow of our American friends and allies Monday when he indicated he’s dead keen on selling Canadian oil to buyers in Asia. He didn’t put it in so many words, but he was telling Washington this: “You don’t want our oil, no problem. We’ve got lots of markets across the Pacific where we don’t have to beg to get a sale.”

It was a timely message and a good one for the Prime Minister to send. There is no need to be rude to the U.S., which is and always will be Canada’s best market. But there’s also no need to sit around and wait for the political circus in Washington to pause long enough to recognize the attractiveness of the opportunity Canada is offering. Given the state of absurdity that has the U.S. capital in its grip, there’s no telling how long that could take.

Meanwhile, China is growing thirstier, and Canada grows impatient to sell its bountiful oil to someone who really wants it. Maybe everyone should concentrate on the real economic benefits of the Keystone XL pipeline instead of the illusory differences between a 2- and 12-month extension of a tax holiday that produced no economic stimulus at all over the past year.












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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #66 on: December 21, 2011, 11:50:40 AM »
Harper is having enough trouble getting a pipeline built from the tar sands to the pacific.  Right now it is not likely to happen at all.  It's a bluff on Canada's part.

As for Keystone it is not just Obama who is luke warm on it but states like Nebraska who are not too keen to have this thing through their back yards.  You can not rush anything through without fully understanding and investigating all consequences environmentally and economically.  Keystone have had numerous leaks recently in pipelines they run.
Abandon every hope...

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #67 on: December 21, 2011, 11:51:33 AM »
Harper is having enough trouble getting a pipeline built from the tar sands to the pacific.  Right now it is not likely to happen at all.  It's a bluff on Canada's part.

As for Keystone it is not just Obama who is luke warm on it but states like Nebraska who are not too keen to have this thing through their back yards.  You can not rush anything through without fully understanding and investigating all consequences environmentally and economically.  Keystone have had numerous leaks recently in pipelines they run.

Bullshit - this thing has been in the works for years and they already dealt w the nebraska issue 

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #68 on: December 21, 2011, 11:59:37 AM »
Bullshit - this thing has been in the works for years and they already dealt w the nebraska issue 

Yeah they dealt with it a month ago and now have to to reroute it.  Wow a month ago  ::) Better have it done by Christmas i guess idiot   

Abandon every hope...

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #69 on: December 21, 2011, 02:09:24 PM »
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/keystone-xl-pipeline-economics-idealism-and-politics


Good article.   F Obama and the communist enviro-fanatics.   

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Re: Canada begging Obama to approve oil pipeline (So far Obama has been silent)
« Reply #70 on: December 23, 2011, 06:59:19 AM »
Obama's Delay On Keystone Carries A Large Cost
By ROBERT L. BRADLEY JR.
Posted 12/22/2011 06:18 PM ET

http://news.investors.com/Article.aspx?id=595680&p=1



 

The Keystone XL pipeline has become a political football.

In November, the White House announced it would delay deciding on the project until after next year's election. Administration officials claim they need more time to evaluate the potential environmental impacts of the $7 billion, 2,100-mile project to transport crude oil from Alberta, Canada, to major American refineries in the Gulf Coast.

Not content to wait until 2013, Republicans inserted a Keystone approval provision into the payroll tax extension. The result of that move is still in flux, as House Republicans have rejected the Senate's measure.

Regardless of the outcome, President Obama's desire to delay the pipeline is just the latest example of his pernicious proclivity for putting politics over sound policy when it comes to energy regulations.

The president simply doesn't want to bear the political costs of deciding either way on Keystone until after his re-election bid. He's wants to remain non-committal.

But organized labor, another one of Obama's prized constituencies, is as disappointed as extremist environmentalists are elated.

Growth or no growth? What's a president to do?

Of course, the administration can't admit to such brazen politicking. It has to provide some sort of policy justification for the delay.

According to a statement from the president, regulators want to "take the time to ensure that all questions are properly addressed and all the potential impacts are properly understood."

That's as specific as the statement gets. So it's unclear what remaining "questions" or "potential impacts" he's referring to.

Canada's oil will go somewhere. The market demands it. If not to the U.S. Gulf Coast — as currently planned — the oil could easily flow west, where China will pick it up in tankers at a port in British Columbia.

The Canadian government has already instituted rigorous protections to ensure the area surrounding oil extraction points aren't damaged. And the State Department recently concluded a wide-ranging study of Keystone and determined that there were no potential environmental effects from the pipeline requiring further investigation.

Shambling on Keystone might be smart politics — but there's no good policy reason to delay approval. And there is a huge cost of delay, which can be captured in just four letters: J-O-B-S.

Keystone XL requires miles of pipe to be welded and installed, and at least 30 new pumping facilities to be constructed. American workers would staff many of those operations.

Indeed, if Keystone XL were allowed to proceed as planned, oil sands development and related operations would directly create thousands of new jobs. Tens of thousands additional positions would be created indirectly at businesses along the pipeline's pathway.

That same political strategizing driving the Keystone delay also undergirds the White House's stance on hydraulic fracturing.

Colloquially know as "fracking," this technique has proven invaluable in extracting natural gas buried under the earth's surface. It involves pumping a high-pressure mixture of water and sand into the rock surrounding deposits to free up gas for collection.

In the Marcellus shale — a massive reserve running from Ohio and Pennsylvania into New York — fracking is the only way for developers to get access to gas located deep underground. Unfortunately, policymakers high and low have succumbed to environmentalist alarmism on fracking.

New York — with the tacit support of the White House — has instituted a fracking moratorium and effectively prohibited exploration of the parts of the Marcellus that run under the state.

Again, the cost of currying favor with environmentalists? Jobs. According to the Department of Environmental Conservation, Marcellus development in New York could generate up to 80,000 new local positions.

Energy companies should have to comply with commonsense regulations to prevent environmental damage. And of course policymakers need to consider noneconomic costs when deciding to approve major energy projects.

But politicking has now gotten in the way of good thinking. This administration and its allies are holding up vital new energy projects — and it's costing Americans new jobs.

And if the oil is exported by tanker to destinations such as China, Obama will have left the environment and the economy worse off. Lose-lose rather than win-win — now that would be monumental.

• Bradley is the CEO & founder of the Institute for Energy Research and author of "Edison to Enron: Energy Markets and Political Strategies" (Scrivener Publishing and John Wiley & Sons).














If its good for america Obama hates it - if its bad for America Obama jumos on it.   



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Oil industry chief warns Obama on Canada pipeline
Boston.com ^ | January 4, 2012 | Matthew Daly




The oil industry's top lobbyist warned the Obama administration Wednesday to approve the Keystone XL oil pipeline or face "huge political consequences" in an election year.

Jack Gerard, president of the American Petroleum Institute, said it would be a "huge mistake" for President Barack Obama to reject the 1,700-mile, Canada-to-Texas pipeline. Obama faces a Feb. 21 deadline to decide whether the $7 billion pipeline is in the national interest.

"Clearly, the Keystone XL pipeline is in the national interest," Gerard said at the trade association's annual "State of American Energy" event. "A determination to decide anything less than that I believe will have huge political consequences."

Gerard said the oil group has teamed up with at least 15 unions to support the pipeline, which would create thousands of jobs.

"We will stand shoulder to shoulder" with labor unions that have backed the pipeline, including the Teamsters and the AFL-CIO's Building and Construction Trades Department, Gerard said.


"Over the next 60 days, they will not be silent," he said.


Gerard repeatedly referred to the Keystone pipeline at his annual speech assessing the energy industry, calling it the business group's top near-term priority.


While the pipeline has not been a focus of the GOP race for president,


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Oil industry chief warns Obama on Canada pipeline
Boston.com ^ | January 4, 2012 | Matthew Daly




The oil industry's top lobbyist warned the Obama administration Wednesday to approve the Keystone XL oil pipeline or face "huge political consequences" in an election year.

Jack Gerard, president of the American Petroleum Institute, said it would be a "huge mistake" for President Barack Obama to reject the 1,700-mile, Canada-to-Texas pipeline. Obama faces a Feb. 21 deadline to decide whether the $7 billion pipeline is in the national interest.

"Clearly, the Keystone XL pipeline is in the national interest," Gerard said at the trade association's annual "State of American Energy" event. "A determination to decide anything less than that I believe will have huge political consequences."

Gerard said the oil group has teamed up with at least 15 unions to support the pipeline, which would create thousands of jobs.

"We will stand shoulder to shoulder" with labor unions that have backed the pipeline, including the Teamsters and the AFL-CIO's Building and Construction Trades Department, Gerard said.


"Over the next 60 days, they will not be silent," he said.


Gerard repeatedly referred to the Keystone pipeline at his annual speech assessing the energy industry, calling it the business group's top near-term priority.


While the pipeline has not been a focus of the GOP race for president,


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If that oil goes elsewhere... I will lose all faith in our government.

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Canada already said China wants it if we don't.   

Thugbama has stated many times his goal is to SKYROCKET energy prices, so he will definately veto this. 


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Canada already said China wants it if we don't.   

Thugbama has stated many times his goal is to SKYROCKET energy prices, so he will definately veto this. 


I thought he was talking about energy sources he didnt approve of, like coal?
(Yes when I heard him say that, I couldnt fucking believe he actually said that, let alone that people were excited about it, its like the man lives in a fucking fantasy land where if he makes it expensive enough, magically this new technology and infastructure will appear, with no consequences in the mean time! Fucking idiot. Anyone that is prepared to handle a nation wide meltdown to try and implement his "vision" of what the country should be, is a fucking moron.)