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« Reply #325 on: May 30, 2013, 04:55:28 AM »

It seems that Obama's brilliant statesmanship is finally reaping dividends for the people of Egypt and Western Civilization.

Hillary Clinton's virtuoso reign as Secretary of State should include the Arab Spring and particularly Egypt as a key achievement-- highlighting the modern miracles of political strength and unity.

Everything is turning out just like CNN said it would.

The Arab Spring has truly transformed the region into a Jeffersonian banquet of freedom, liberty and prosperity.

Forward!

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« Reply #326 on: May 30, 2013, 06:05:59 AM »

Agrreed.  Black loyalists like youraelf to the cult of obama are a joke.

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« Reply #327 on: May 30, 2013, 06:11:49 AM »

It seems that Obama's brilliant statesmanship is finally reaping dividends for the people of Egypt and Western Civilization.

Hillary Clinton's virtuoso reign as Secretary of State should include the Arab Spring and particularly Egypt as a key achievement-- highlighting the modern miracles of political strength and unity.

Everything is turning out just like CNN said it would.

The Arab Spring has truly transformed the region into a Jeffersonian banquet of freedom, liberty and prosperity.

Forward!



sigh......I hate to waste time responding to your idiocy....but I just can't help myself.....the fact is, that all countries that undergo a conversion to democracy go through a period of time where there is some lawlessness or guys taking advantage of the looser freedoms....it happened in Eastern Europe and Russia after communism collapsed....there was lots of lawlessness, crime shot up, the local mafias moved in and set up organizations which committed murder and drug dealing, and also rapes and prostitution went way up....

By your reasoning I guess all of that was Ronald Reagan's fault huh?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh

Jesus the idiocy and ignorance you display is incredible
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« Reply #328 on: May 30, 2013, 08:22:44 PM »

sigh......I hate to waste time responding to your idiocy....but I just can't help myself.....the fact is, that all countries that undergo a conversion to democracy go through a period of time where there is some lawlessness or guys taking advantage of the looser freedoms....it happened in Eastern Europe and Russia after communism collapsed....there was lots of lawlessness, crime shot up, the local mafias moved in and set up organizations which committed murder and drug dealing, and also rapes and prostitution went way up....

By your reasoning I guess all of that was Ronald Reagan's fault huh?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh

Jesus the idiocy and ignorance you display is incredible

Oh that's right, that happens absolutely everywhere. By your measure,  do you think will we be alive to see a functional democracy in action?

And your comment about taking advantage of looser freedoms is an apt observation. The rapes and cannibalism we see now, were forbidden in the past, and now its a good old fashioned Islamic free for all. I guess the best we can hope for is that all those freedom loving rapists and murders decide to settle down and take civics lessons and sensitivity training to further the cause of democracy.

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« Reply #329 on: May 30, 2013, 08:48:02 PM »

Oh that's right, that happens absolutely everywhere. By your measure,  do you think will we be alive to see a functional democracy in action?

And your comment about taking advantage of looser freedoms is an apt observation. The rapes and cannibalism we see now, were forbidden in the past, and now its a good old fashioned Islamic free for all. I guess the best we can hope for is that all those freedom loving rapists and murders decide to settle down and take civics lessons and sensitivity training to further the cause of democracy.



not by my measure,,,,by the measure of recent history....it took a good 20 years for things to settle down in Eastern Europe before the democracies there started to function relatively normal......as I said earlier....rapes were occurring under Mubarak...its not something thats a recent phenomenon...we just pay more attention to it now due to the context of whats going on there
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« Reply #330 on: June 07, 2013, 11:08:45 AM »


Kerry’s Secret Gift to Egypt
Jun 6, 2013 4:21 PM EDT



Last month John Kerry quietly approved huge arms shipments to Egypt—despite Cairo’s ongoing violation of human rights. Josh Rogin reports.

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While employees of American NGOs sat in Egyptian prisons, Secretary of State John Kerry quietly waived the law that would prevent the U.S. from sending the Egyptian military $1.3 billion worth of weapons this year.
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Secretary of State John Kerry (left) shakes hands with Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi during a visit to Cairo on March 3. (Jacquelyn Martin/AFP/Getty)


Congress erupted in anger June 4, when Egyptian courts sentenced 43 NGO workers, including 16 Americans, to jail terms of up to five years for working in NGOs not registered with the government. Only one of those Americans, the National Democratic Institute’s Robert Becker, actually stayed in Egypt to await the verdict. He was given two years in prison. The other American organizations targeted included the International Republican Institute and Freedom House. All of those organizations had been operating in the open in Egypt for several years before the government raided their offices and forced them to flee the country in December 2011.


But what most in Congress didn’t know was that on May 10, Kerry had waived the restrictions lawmakers had put in place to make sure that U.S. military aid to Egypt wouldn’t continue unless Egypt made progress on its path to democracy, rule of law, and human rights. The State Department’s notification of Kerry’s move, which was never released to the public, was obtained by The Daily Beast.


The law that allows the State Department to give Egypt $1.3 billion each year in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) specifies that to get the money, the secretary of State must certify that Egypt is honoring its peace treaty with Israel as well as “supporting the transition to civilian government including holding free and fair elections; implementing policies to protect freedom of expression, association, and religion, and due process of law.”

 
“Foreign funding of NGOs in Egypt is something that drives the Egyptian military command crazy.”


Several members of Congress said this week that Egypt’s sentencing of American NGO workers, who were there to help Egypt build up its civil society and to promote democracy, flew in the face of that very law, meaning that Egypt should not get the money.


“The unjust convictions of Egyptian and American citizens by the Egyptian government, for nothing more than working to defend the fundamental rights of all Egyptians, is appalling and offensive to people of goodwill in Egypt and across the globe,” said Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), who chairs the Senate Appropriations Committee’s state and foreign-ops subcommittee. “If Egypt continues on this repressive path, it will be increasingly difficult for the United States to support President Morsi’s government.”


“These politically motivated prosecutions of individuals doing nothing more than attempting to assist Egypt as it moves down the path toward democracy will only serve to undermine the progress that Egypt has made since 2011,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) said in a statement. “The court’s order that several of the organizations ... cease operations in Egypt also raises concerns about how the United States and other countries can continue to assist Egypt as it transitions from military rule, given that these are some of the premier international organizations that focus on democratic training, the building of civil society, and establishment of the rule of law.”


Reps. Frank Wolf (R-VA) and Gerry Connolly (D-VA) are circulating a letter in the House this week to Morsi threatening a cutoff of U.S. aid and asking him to step in and reverse the policy of prosecuting foreign NGO workers.


“In order for the U.S. government and the American people to have any confidence that the Egyptian government is undertaking a genuine transition to a democratic state, under civilian control, where the freedoms of assembly, association, religion and expression are guaranteed and rule of law is upheld, we must see a swift and satisfactory resolution to this case that takes into full account the concerns expressed in this letter, including revisions to the proposed NGO law,” reads the letter, a copy of which was obtained by The Daily Beast.


The lawmakers said that there was no way the Obama administration would be able to certify that Egypt was progressing toward democracy, given the jail sentences. They didn’t know that Kerry had already waived the law only weeks prior. Experts following the issue were shocked that Kerry’s team kept the decision a secret, unlike last year, when then–secretary of State Hillary Clinton also waived the law, but made sure to explain her actions and include a strong statement condemning the Egyptian government’s treatment of foreign NGOs.
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« Reply #331 on: June 07, 2013, 11:15:20 AM »


(Reuters) – Secretary of State John Kerry quietly acted last month to give Egypt $1.3 billion in U.S. military aid, deciding that this was in the national interest despite Egypt’s failure to meet democracy standards.

Kerry made the decision well before an Egyptian court this week convicted 43 democracy workers, including 16 Americans, in what the United States regards as a politically motivated case against pro-democracy non-governmental organizations.

Rights groups believe Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi is retreating from democratic freedoms, notably in a new civil society law and in proposals for judicial reform that critics see as a way to purge judges perceived as hostile to the government.

Despite stating in a May 9 memo that “we are not satisfied with the extent of Egypt’s progress and are pressing for a more inclusive democratic process and the strengthening of key democratic institutions,” Kerry said the aid should go forward.

Under U.S. law, for the $1.3 billion to flow the secretary of state must certify that the Egyptian government “is supporting the transition to civilian government, including holding free and fair elections, implementing policies to protect freedom of expression, association and religion, and due process of law.”
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« Reply #332 on: June 15, 2013, 08:25:06 AM »

Thousands of Egypt Islamists rally for Syria jihad


An Egyptian man holds the old Syrian flag, now used by the opposition, during a gathering in support of the Syrian Revolution outside the Amr ibn al-As Mosque on June 14, 2013 in Cairo.
An Egyptian man holds the old Syrian flag, now used by the opposition, during a gathering in support of the Syrian Revolution outside the Amr ibn al-As Mosque on June 14, 2013 in Cairo.

An Egyptian street vendor sells he old Syrian flag, now used by the opposition, during a gathering in support of the Syrian revolution outside the Amr ibn al-As Mosque on June 14, 2013 in Cairo.
An Egyptian street vendor sells he old Syrian flag, now used by the opposition, during a gathering in support of the Syrian revolution outside the Amr ibn al-As Mosque on June 14, 2013 in Cairo.



AFP - Thousands of Islamists rallied in the Egyptian capital on Friday in support of calls by Sunni Muslim clerics for a holy war against the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The demonstration took place outside a Cairo mosque where Saudi preacher Mohammed al-Oreifi called in a sermon for a "jihad in the cause of Allah in Syria."

Oreifi urged worshippers to "unite against their enemy."

Saudi Arabia, like Egypt, is an overwhelmingly Sunni Muslim country, and Sunnis are the backbone of the revolt against Assad, whose Alawite sect is an offshoot of Shiite Islam.

Demonstrators, most of them bearded and wearing the traditional white galabiya, shouted "there is no God but Allah, and Bashar is his enemy."

People waved not only the Egyptian flag but also the one adopted by the Syrian opposition.

On Thursday, influential Sunni clerics from several Arab states called for a holy war against the "sectarian" regime in Syria.

"We must undertake jihad to help our brothers in Syria by sending them money and arms, and providing all aid to save the Syrian people from this sectarian regime," they said in a statement at the end of a gathering in Cairo.

They called the "flagrant aggression" of Iran and the Lebanese movement Hezbollah -- both Shiite -- and their "sectarian allies" in Syria "a declaration of war against Islam and Muslims."

Hezbollah has been fighting alongside Assad's forces, and its leader, Hassan Nasrallah, said on Friday it would continue to do so.

Sunni-dominated Saudi Arabia's top cleric Abdulaziz al-Shaikh has urged governments to punish the "repulsive sectarian group" while Qatar-based Sunni cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi has called on Sunnis to join the rebels.

Hezbollah's intervention in Syria, which helped Assad's troops overrun the strategic town of Qusayr, has been roundly condemned by Arab countries.

In Cairo, a senior aide to President Mohamed Morsi demanded on Thursday that the group "immediately end" its involvement in Syria.

The Shiite group's assistance to Assad could "further turn this conflict into a sectarian conflict that will spill over into the entire region," Khaled Al-Qazzaz said.

Qazzaz, Morsi's secretary on foreign relations, said the government was not trying to stop Egyptians from volunteering in Syria, mostly in relief work.

"The right of travel or the freedom of travel or taking certain positions is open for all Egyptians," he told reporters at a briefing.

"But we did not call on Egyptians to go and fight in Syria," he said.

Egypt believes the conflict will have to be resolved politically, he added.

The conflict has drawn Sunni volunteers from several Arab countries to join rebel ranks. In addition to Hezbollah, Shiites have travelled from Iraq to support Assad.

During Friday's rally, 22-year-old student Ossam Zeyd said "I am here to support the Syrian people. I am participating in jihad in Allah's cause by prayer and by sending money."

A number of Egyptian humanitarian organisations have set up stands outside mosques to collect funds for Syrians.

And Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood, from whose ranks Morsi comes, will hold a gathering on Saturday at a stadium in Cairo under the slogan "in support of the Syria revolution."








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« Reply #333 on: June 22, 2013, 03:30:09 PM »

Egypt's Coptic Christians say they are 'no longer safe'
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My sister in California wanted a better life for her and her two daughters,” explained Marianne Aziz, a 25-year-old pharmacist. “There was a big fight between us and our Muslim neighbors over our parking place ... . They cut my brother-in-law’s face with a knife.”

Aziz said that after that incident, “My sister felt she was no longer safe anymore. She got a hospital report on her husband’s injuries and a police report and when they went to the U.S., she immediately [applied for] asylum.”

Egyptian now ranks as the second highest nationality to receive asylum in the United States – although it is uncertain how many are Copts because immigration statistics do not include religious affiliation, many of the asylum seekers are believed to be Christian.

The number of Egyptians receiving asylum in the U.S. has jumped more than five-fold in recent years. In 2010, the year before the revolution, just 531 Egyptians received asylum in the U.S.; in 2012, that number jumped to 2,882, according to the Department of Homeland Security’s statistical data for 2012.


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« Reply #334 on: June 24, 2013, 08:49:22 AM »

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« Reply #335 on: June 28, 2013, 11:35:01 AM »

Now Obama Using Troops To Prop Up Cairo's Islamofascists (Fort Hood)
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Posted on Friday, June 28, 2013 12:14:45 PM by opentalk

Foreign Policy: In the latest twist in our upside-down war on terror, President Obama withdraws troops fighting terrorists in Afghanistan and sends others to Egypt to protect a regime that supports terrorists.



According to reports, the commander-in-chief is deploying a riot-control unit from Fort Hood to Egypt to help the Islamofascist regime there repel its own citizens protesting increasing human-rights violations.



More than 400 Army soldiers from the Texas base will soon man posts throughout Egypt as part of a nine-month "peacekeeping mission." They've been trained to respond to threats, including protests and riots.



"Soldiers encountered Molotov cocktails and other dangerous items in the training," according to the local TV news station that broke the story out of Killeen, Texas.



The assignment comes ahead of a planned June 30 showdown between Islamists led by Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi and secularists opposed to his Islamofascist crackdown.



As more and more Egyptians have called for toppling the regime on its first anniversary in power, U.S. Ambassador Anne Patterson has appealed for calm. "We oppose chaos," she pleaded with protesters. "Chaos is a breeding ground for instability."



Yes, better to protect radical strongmen like Morsi, a former Muslim Brotherhood leader whom the Obama administration helped bring to power. As we warned, Morsi has stacked Egypt's courts with mullahs and unleashed religious police enforcing austere Shariah law.



Under his burgeoning theocracy, the media and the arts have been censored, churches have been burned and women have been bullied into covering their heads and bodies with Islamic garb, a la Afghanistan.


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« Reply #336 on: June 28, 2013, 01:29:15 PM »


Egyptian clerics warn of 'civil war' ahead of mass protests






As Egypt approaches a weekend of confrontation, the divide between those who love and those who despise President Mohammed Morsi and his pro-Islamist government is wider than ever. NBC's Charlene Gubash reports.

By Charlene Gubash and Alastair Jamieson, NBC News

Egypt risks sliding into civil war, the country’s leading religious authority warned Friday, as the nation braced itself for mass nationwide protests.

Organizers of “June 30” demonstrations -- which mark one year since Islamist President Mohammed Morsi's election -- claim they have the backing of an estimated 15 million Egyptians who want him to resign.

“Only God knows what will happen [on Sunday],” said Gamal Abdul Aziz, a pro-Morsi car mechanic in Madba’a, a blue-collar district in Cairo.


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Gamal Abdul Aziz, left, a pro-Morsi car mechanic, argues with anti-Morsi computer science student Mohamed Abdul Munim, right, while being interviewed this week.

Building on discontent about a range of social and economic issues, Morsi’s opponents hope to force early presidential elections.






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His supporters, meanwhile, have promised they will also take to the streets to defend the Muslim Brotherhood-backed government.

“Vigilance is required to ensure we do not slide into civil war,” clerics of the Al-Azhar institute said in a statement broadly supportive of Morsi, Reuters reported.

It blamed “criminal gangs” who besieged mosques for street violence which the Brotherhood said has killed five of its supporters in a week.

There were ominous signs on Friday. A Health Ministry source told Reuters that at least 36 people were wounded when hundreds scuffled outside a local office of the Muslim Brotherhood.

A Reuters reporter saw about a dozen men break off from an anti-Morsi march on the seafront to throw rocks at the building's guards. They responded and bricks and bottles flew. Gunshots were also heard.

In an example of just how polarized the debate over Egypt’s future has become, Aziz and his family became embroiled in a shouting match with a nearby resident, anti-Morsi computer science student Mohamed Abdul Munim, 23, while being interviewed this week.


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Egyptian drivers wait outside in long lines at a gasoline station in Cairo on Tuesday.

The argument, which took place after NBC News filmed a political discussion between the two, ended when Munim stormed off.

The dispute and recent violence -- one man was shot dead and four wounded in an attack on a Muslim Brotherhood office on Thursday -- was an ill omen for Sunday’s marches that will be held a year to the day after Morsi became Egypt's first freely elected leader.

The country's powerful army, which helped protesters topple Hosni Mubarak's authoritarian regime in 2011, has reinforced its presence in cities like Cairo and Port Said.

Munim said he believed “most” of Egypt’s registered 50 million voters will be out on the streets, supporting one side or the other.

“We are sure that we will go out and get beaten up by the [Muslim] Brotherhood [but] we are going out despite this," he said. “There is no security, there is economic collapse, the electricity cuts off and everybody is suffering. They will say Morsi is not at fault, but electricity didn’t cut off when the military governed.”

Aziz, meanwhile, said his life had improved under Morsi, and accused the mostly-secular opposition of “waging a war against Islam.”

“Can you build a house in a day? No, it takes time. What can a president do in one year when a country is in ruins? The old [Mubarak] regime stole the country and left it destroyed.”

In a sign of the nervousness many felt, Egyptians were stocking up on food, fuel, water and cash in the days leading up the protests.


The Daily Show's Jon Stewart took his satire to Cairo Friday, appearing on a show hosted by the man known as "Egypt's Jon Stewart" and who has faced investigation for insulting the country's president and Islam. "If your regime is not strong enough to handle a joke then you don't have a regime," said Stewart. TODAY's Jenna Wolfe reports.

Morsi’s supporters claim the demonstration– organized by an opposition umbrella group named "Tamarod," meaning "Rebel" – is setting the stage for a repeat of the 2011 Arab Spring revolution.

Mahmoud Badr, a 28-year-old journalist and founder of the Tamarod movement, dismissed a televised speech by Morsi on Wednesday night in which the president appealed for calm.

"Our demand was early presidential elections and since that was not addressed anywhere in the speech then our response will be on the streets on [Sunday]," he told the English-language Egypt Independent news site.

The U.S. Embassy announced Tuesday it would be closing its doors for the day of the demonstrations, but added that “potentially violent protest activity may occur before June 30,” and urged U.S. citizens to “maintain a low profile” from Friday onwards.







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Underscoring fears of violence, defenders of Morsi on Tuesday revealed plans to form vigilante groups to protect public buildings from opposition demonstrations, the Egypt Independent reported, quoting Safwat Abdel Ghany, a member of Islamic umbrella organization Jama'a al-Islamiya.

“If chaos sweeps across the country, Islamist groups will secure state institutions and vital facilities against robbery by thugs and advocates of violence," he was quoted as saying.

Members of Tamarod were so confident that they would force Morsi from power that the organization set out a constitutional “road map” that it said would take Egypt forward without a president until new elections.

Eric Trager, fellow at the Washington Institute think tank, said this week that battle lines were drawn between “an enraged opposition” and “an utterly incapable, confrontational ruling party that now counts some of Egypt's most violent political elements as its core supporters.”

“Rising food prices, hours-long fuel lines, and multiple-times-daily electricity cuts -- all worsening amidst a typically scorching Egyptian summer -- have set many Egyptians on edge, with clashes between Brotherhood and anti-Brotherhood activists now a common feature of Egyptian political life," he said.

“Whatever happens on [Sunday], it can't end well,” he added.

Reuters contributed to this report.

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« Reply #337 on: June 28, 2013, 03:53:55 PM »

US Marines Put On Alert To Move Into Egypt Amid Planned Demonstrations


 

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Amid anti-government demonstrations planned for this weekend, roughly 200 combat-capable U.S. Marines in southern Europe have been put on an alert status should they need to protect the U.S. Embassy or American citizens in Egypt, CNN is reporting.

The Marines were told to be ready to deploy within an hour, and would be flown in via MV-22 Osprey, the Marine Corps’ rapid deployment aircraft.

A state department spokesman told CNN that the move is precautionary, and that the U.S. fully expects the Egyptian security forces to be able to protect the American diplomatic facilities.

The move comes less than a year after a diplomatic facility in Benghazi, Libya was attacked by Islamic extremists who killed four Americans, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens.

The Obama administration has faced harsh, largely partisan, criticism for what some have deemed as a failure to respond to the attack in Libya.

Military experts have stated that there was no way military assets could have reached Benghazi in time. Officials appear committed to ensure that doesn’t happen again.

President Obama is presently on the second day of a five-day trip to Africa.


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« Reply #338 on: July 01, 2013, 06:31:08 PM »

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« Reply #339 on: July 02, 2013, 05:57:56 AM »

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-egypt-obama-urges-restraint-20130701,0,7704464.story


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« Reply #340 on: July 02, 2013, 06:22:22 AM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/02/obama-calls-mohamed-morsi-egypt-protests_n_3531883.html?ref=topbar

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« Reply #341 on: July 02, 2013, 06:41:55 AM »

what Egypt is going through is normal you fuck

LOL!!!!  Maybe for the South Bronx or Crown Heights - but most other places?  No. 
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« Reply #342 on: July 02, 2013, 06:43:19 AM »

I guess the fag moderators are protecting you again....deleting my posts
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« Reply #343 on: July 02, 2013, 06:44:57 AM »

I guess the fag moderators are protecting you again....deleting my posts

Why the hate speech?
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« Reply #344 on: July 02, 2013, 06:46:02 AM »

Why the hate speech?

how would you feel if you were an Obama supporter seeing a what complete failure the Arab sprin has been?
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« Reply #345 on: July 02, 2013, 06:48:54 AM »

Why the hate speech?

no hate speech at all...calling him what he is.....I guess its only hate speech when its not referenced toward blacks
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« Reply #346 on: July 02, 2013, 06:49:34 AM »

how would you feel if you were an Obama supporter seeing a what complete failure the Arab sprin has been?

Oh it's a failure alright.  The whole democracy arising in the middle east narrative was created by the media.  Anyone who has a rudimentary understanding of the cultures and politics of the region understood very quickly that all this talk of democracy was wishful thinking.
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« Reply #347 on: July 02, 2013, 06:50:05 AM »

no hate speech at all...calling him what he is.....I guess its only hate speech when its not referenced toward blacks




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« Reply #348 on: July 02, 2013, 06:52:01 AM »

no hate speech at all...calling him what he is.....I guess its only hate speech when its not referenced toward blacks

That seems to be the trend.  Fag is a pejorative for homosexual.  It's as bad ss calling you a n*****.   Why would you use that word when it's insulting to so many people?
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« Reply #349 on: July 02, 2013, 06:52:11 AM »

Oh it's a failure alright.  The whole democracy arising in the middle east narrative was created by the media.  Anyone who has a rudimentary understanding of the cultures and politics of the region understood very quickly that all this talk of democracy was wishful thinking.

its not wishful thinking.....its the only long term solution to getting rid of terrorism and getting the Arab world to stop hating america and embracing western values.....

I guess democracy in eastern europe was wishful thinking as well???..a lot of people felt the same way about that as well
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