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« Reply #450 on: July 07, 2013, 07:15:51 PM »

you're on the side of a moron so you've lost already.......use some intelligence



So, I destroy your Democracy nonsense and your comeback is to make up a position that I haven't taken.

Way to show off that ....... education.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #451 on: July 07, 2013, 07:19:10 PM »




Exactly.

For anybody dumb enough to think elections = Democracy (only one that dumb on this board, I think):




The Maspero youth union is sending this message to the American people : Stop Supporting the new Fascism   

"Dear Americans,

We are not addressing the American administration, we address you the American people who believe in freedom.

Your administration is supporting the new fascism, your president and his ambassador supporting a terrorist group rejected by the Egyptian people, a Fascist group oppresses minorities, women's rights wasted group that destroy civilizations and cultures.

Your ambassador makes pressure on our national Egyptian army to stand with terror group not with his Peaceful people who demand freedom and justice, equality and citizenship.

Dear Americans, you have to stand against terrorist supportive administration, against tax money scattered by an administration which support a terrorist group having the same ideology of the one that killed your sons before and killing ours now."



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/on-the-ground-in-cairo-live-blog-with-journalist-wafaa-badry-2013-7#ixzz2YPse0ED2
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« Reply #452 on: July 08, 2013, 06:06:57 AM »



So, I destroy your Democracy nonsense and your comeback is to make up a position that I haven't taken.

Way to show off that ....... education.  Roll Eyes



DEMOCRACY NONSENSE?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh??....free and fair elections were held......where the fuck have you been?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh?...the moon?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh

you're getting worse than horseface Fury
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« Reply #453 on: July 08, 2013, 06:26:55 AM »

DEMOCRACY NONSENSE?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh??....free and fair elections were held......where the fuck have you been?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh?...the moon?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh

you're getting worse than horseface Fury


You are as delusional as Vince.  F Obama.  F the mb he put in power and f mooche too
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« Reply #454 on: July 08, 2013, 07:11:36 AM »

On Egypt, Obama Still Winging It




 
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If it has seemed at times that President Obama has been winging it on foreign policy, his handling of the ongoing Egyptian crisis pretty thoroughly ices the question. He has been winging it, and on no matter is this more evident than on Egypt.

With Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi now evicted from office by the country’s military and the constitution suspended, one might ask where Obama has stood on the momentous questions facing the Egyptian polity in recent days. The answer is that he has stood at various locations at various times—and hence nowhere at any time. This fits the president’s pattern since the Egyptian Revolution erupted back in early 2011.

Back then, as throngs of Egyptian protesters jammed Cairo’s Tahrir Square bent on ending the thirty-year rule of President Hosni Mubarak, Obama cast his lot with the protesters—and against the man who had been a steadfast U.S. ally throughout his long tenure. But Obama responded to events during late January and early February in a rather haphazard fashion.

First he called Mubarak to say America expected him to offer democratic reforms to his people as a way of assuaging the civic angers in the square. As he put it during a White House session with reporters following his call to Mubarak: “This moment of volatility has to be turned into a moment of promise.” When reporters asked the White House press spokesman if Mubarak’s time had passed, he responded, “Absolutely not.”

But within just three days, Obama changed his tune entirely. Now he wanted Mubarak out, and he didn’t merely express his hopes on that score publicly but also called the man to admonish him to vacate his office. After the call, he went before the cameras again to say Mubarak must leave and that the process of his departure “must begin now.”

What drove this assault on the U.S. ally at his greatest moment of travail? The answer seems to be: the widespread Western view that democracy must triumph wherever people are aggrieved and spirits are wounded. This view has been driving U.S. foreign policy to a considerable extent since the end of the Cold War.

Eventually, Mubarak abandoned his presidency as the country’s powerful military sought to blaze a path to some kind of democratic system that would leave intact its own highly preferential societal position. The process was messy, as such efforts usually are, and progress was halting. But eventually a presidential election took place, and Morsi, a figure of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, was elected president.

He hasn’t been much of a president—heavy-handed, not particularly inclusive or transparent, seemingly incapable of improving the lot of his people, particularly economically. So the protesters returned to Tahrir Square demanding an end to his rule.

And where has President Obama been on this one? Well, if you were reading the words of his ambassador to Cairo, Anne Patterson, you would think one thing. Early on, as protest stirrings began in Egypt, she warned that another Egyptian coup sparked by street demonstrations would undermine the country’s democratic project. “Some say that street action will produce better results than elections,” she said. “To be honest, my government and I are deeply skeptical.”

But almost immediately Obama seemed to reject that position as he cast his lot once again with the protesters—unmoved, it appeared, by the fact that Morsi was the duly elected ruler of Egypt. “What is clear right now,” said Obama, “is that although Mr. Morsi was elected democratically, there’s more work to be done to create the conditions in which everybody feels that their voices are heard.”

By way of clarification, the White House later issued a statement saying that “democracy is about more than elections.” It is also, said the statement, “about ensuring that the voices of all Egyptians are heard and represented by their government, including the many Egyptians demonstrating throughout the country.”

Let’s parse these expressions as an exercise in political science. True enough, democracy is about more than elections. There’s the rule of law, protection of citizens from arbitrary governmental action, equal treatment of all countrymen, etc. But, while democracy can exist without these things, it can’t exist without elections. Nor can it exist without a fundamental national respect for electoral outcomes.

We can draw a lesson from American history of the 1960s and 1970s, when hundreds of thousands of Vietnam War protesters jammed the streets and parks of Washington to convey their civic frustration and anger. They brought down a president and changed the direction of the war, but they never managed to get a war policy they liked or to end the conflict on a timetable they deemed appropriate. They certainly didn’t upend the electoral cycle. And in fact history tells us that they never represented a national majority. After all, they never managed to get a candidate they liked nominated by a major party for the 1968 election, and a man they revered was soundly rejected by the American people in 1972.

One must ask: Did America pass the Obama test during those turbulent times? Did the protesters feel that their government was listening to them? Were their voices represented in Congress and the White House as the government struggled with the issues that generated so much frustration and anger? Did anyone ever even hint with a straight face that non-electoral democratic principles should take precedence over the electoral schedule?

True, Morsi is a lousy president. So was Herbert Hoover in the American polity. So was James Buchanan. So was Jimmy Carter. In a democratic society, the only way to deal with such unfortunate democratic outcomes is to wait for the next election and vote the guy out.

So what is Obama’s real view on Egyptian democracy? Difficult to tell. On the evening of Morsi’s departure, he issued a statement that offers little real clarification. After having credited the street demonstrations as a legitimate expression of democracy that needed to be taken into account by the government, the president now said the United States was “deeply concerned” by the Egyptian military’s decision to remove Morsi and suspend the constitution in response to the street demonstrations. So was it back to the Anne Patterson position?

In the statement, Obama also called on the Egyptian military to “move quickly and responsibly to return full authority back to a democratically elected civilian government as soon as possible through an inclusive and transparent process, and to avoid any arbitrary arrests of President [Morsi] and his supporters.” Nice sentiment. Whether there is much prospect that things will progress as smoothly as that, in the wake of this antidemocratic coup, remains a very open question. Already, within two days of the coup, the new leaders have commenced a crackdown against Morsi's Islamist followers.

What’s clear, though, is that Obama has brought to the matter of Egypt’s internal struggle a lack of intellectual rigor, and this has undermined any consistency in his thinking. If Mubarak had to go because he had been entrenched for too long and was standing in the way of an Egyptian path toward democracy, then Morsi should probably have stayed because he had not been in office through his duly designated electoral term and his forced departure likely will wreck Egypt’s prospects for keeping on a democratic path.

But that’s for the Egyptians to decide. What’s the lesson for America? It is that we should stay out of the internal politics of other nations because our involvement inevitably tosses us into inconsistent and even hypocritical postures and makes us look like a sanctimonious nation. Further, such meddling always has unintended consequences. Why did Obama have to get involved in Mubarak’s fate in the first place? What standing did he have to lecture the head of a foreign state—and an ally, at that—on when his time had passed? And what standing did he have to suggest, as he subtly did, what Morsi needed to do to legitimize his rule?

With Mubarak, as with Morsi, an appropriate approach might have been to say something like this: “The president of the United States, representing the American people, wishes the government of Egypt and the Egyptian people well as they struggle with the internal issues before them. We have abiding respect for the Egyptian people and the Egyptian nation, and we fully expect to remain friends with Egypt into the future, as we have in the past, irrespective of the outcome of the country’s current efforts to define its future. So long as Egypt conducts itself in ways that are consistent with U.S. interests, we will continue to support it with due regard for the fact that it is a great nation in an important region of the world.”

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« Reply #455 on: July 08, 2013, 02:50:57 PM »

US State Department Unsure Who Is Current Ruler Of Egypt
Zero Hedge ^  | July 8, 2013

Posted on Monday, July 08, 2013 5:23:39 PM by Zakeet

From the world's suddenly most confused State Department:


•PSAKI WON'T CONFIRM IF U.S. RECOGNIZES MURSI AS EGYPT'S LEADER: it did in this picture
 

•PSAKI: WE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ON ARBITRARY ARRESTS IN EGYPT: but unconcerned by un-arbitrary arrests of politcal opponents
 

•PSAKI: U.S. HAS NOT BEEN IN TOUCH WITH MURSI SINCE HIS ARREST: the whole "under arrest" part may the reason why
 

•PSAKI: US CALLS ON EGYPT'S MILITARY TO EXERCISE "MAXIMUM RESTRAINT" IN RESPONDING TO PROTESTERS: just harsh language instead of live ammo?
 

•PSAKI: US "DEEPLY CONCERNED" BY INCREASING VIOLENCE ACROSS EGYPT: because the tear gas used is Made In Russia (or Taiwan) and not American

One wonders, however, at this point what difference does it make
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« Reply #456 on: July 08, 2013, 08:37:23 PM »

Old Benny kind of over shot with this thread didnt he?
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« Reply #457 on: July 09, 2013, 04:19:29 PM »

DEMOCRACY NONSENSE?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh??....free and fair elections were held......where the fuck have you been?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuhHuh?...the moon?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh

you're getting worse than horseface Fury






Yeah, ok tard.  Roll Eyes


Military set all the rules.

Supreme Election Commission disqualifying people and all the reasoning kept secret.

Dead people still on registers.

Only 600k of the 10 million or so Egyptians out of the country were allowed to vote.


Yep, that's real free and fair, moron.


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« Reply #458 on: July 09, 2013, 06:26:51 PM »






Yeah, ok tard.  Roll Eyes


Military set all the rules.

Supreme Election Commission disqualifying people and all the reasoning kept secret.

Dead people still on registers.

Only 600k of the 10 million or so Egyptians out of the country were allowed to vote.


Yep, that's real free and fair, moron.



Lol.
Yeah, Egypt's elections were a bad joke. More of a farce than Russia's elections.
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« Reply #459 on: July 10, 2013, 10:54:37 AM »

JERUSALEM, Israel -- From the West Coast of Africa to the deserts of Sinai, Bedouin tribes are conducting a human trafficking trade on a massive scale.

It's no secret. The trade reaps millions of dollars and deals with human misery. It could be stopped but so far no one has dared.

"By that time I had lost sense (sensation) in both my hands," an Eritrean torture victim told CBN News. "It was a result of the accumulated torture but mainly because (both) of my wrists were tied up so tightly, (and I was) hanged up from the ceiling for three days, the blood was cut off from my hands and the flesh started to literally drip from my hands."

Torture in the Sinai

This man is just one victim of this widespread modern-day slavery, kidnapping, and torture trade in the Sinai desert. There are many pictures and videos of this horrible practice on the Internet.

For this story, this Christian man from the African country of Eritrea is going by "Philip," but that's not his real name. CBN News covered his identity for his protection.

"In some cases, we were tortured simply because we were Christians," he told us, his chest trembling slightly as he spoke.

"Sinai was always a place for human smuggling, but since around two years ago -- even a bit more -- it started also to be a place of human torture," Shahar Shoham, director of Physicians for Human Rights, told CBN News.

Shorham has documented more than 1,300 cases of torture in the Sinai. Those survivors, like Philip, made it to Israel. But most of the cases of torture are not documented.

"They torture them in horrible methods, like hanging upside down from the ceiling, like using electric shocks, like burning them on their bodies," Shorham said.

Kidnapped for Ransom

This story begins in Eritrea, where many like Philip fled from its brutal dictatorship. He traveled to a United Nations refugee camp in Sudan. There he was kidnapped by a Bedouin tribe.

They transferred him -- along with many others -- through Sudan, Egypt, and all the way to the Sinai desert and their torture camps.

What happens next in these camps is diabolical.

"What they make you do is call your family and ask them for the money," Philip explained. "Usually they will do the asking. They will say, 'Either send this money or your brother will die or your father will die or your son will die.' It depends on whoever is picking up the phone."

"While you're talking to your family they would pour molten plastic on your body so that you would scream and perhaps they thought that would persuade your family to pay or collect the money faster," he said.

The tribesmen demand what for most poor Eritrean families is a king's ransom.

"The ransom fees can go up to $40,000 for an individual and even $50,000, and until the ransom fees (are) paid, the people will not be released," Shoham explained. The financial burden on the families is devastating."

Killing a Soul

Sister Azziza is a Catholic nun from Eritrea who is based in Jerusalem. She has interviewed many of the Sinai survivors.

"People are destroyed physically (and) psychologically because of what they know they did to their family, how they are living," Sister Azziza told CBN News.

But many do not make it out alive.

"We estimate that around 4,000 people died in the Sinai, some of them from torture," Shoham said. Many who were with Philip died.

"We couldn't help them; that was the most horrible thing," he recalled. "Some you know. You have experienced some of the harshest treatment in this world and yet they're dying and you couldn't do anything to help them. That was horrible."

Hanged Like Christ

Yet the torture and the dying go on.

CBN News talked with a 35-year-old Eritrean woman named Segen. She is five month's pregnant.

Meron Estefanos, an Eritrean human rights activist living in Sweden, arranged our conversation. The kidnappers give them cell phones so they can call their family and friends.

We talked via Skype, linking Sweden, Jerusalem, and the Sinai.

It was sobering. You could hear the strain in Segen's voice.

"They are asking for money every minute and they hit us and they put us -- they will make us lie down on the floor and you know their feet would be up and they would hit their feet and melt with melted plastic bags," Estefanos said.

"And so that way they cannot stand because they will torture their feet, and every day they hang them the way they hang Jesus Christ," she said.

"What does she mean when they hang them like Jesus Christ?" CBN News asked.

"They hang us the way He was hanged and they take off their clothes. While they are naked they will hang them. And they will just hit them with big bats like all day for hours," she said.

No Secret to the World

Many of the Etritreans, like Segen and Philip, are Christians. Many don't survive.

"There are around 7,000 that went through these torture camps and 4,000 that died.  Those are huge numbers and I don't think that the world needs to keep quiet about that," Shoham said.

Philip miraculously survived and made it to Israel where he received life-saving medical treatment.

The location of these torture camps is no secret.

"Their location and whereabouts is known already by many high officials," human rights activist Majed El Shafie told CBN News.

"The only way out of this problem is for the international society or the international community to put pressure on the Egyptian government to release the victims, to stop these human traffickers," he said.

Shafie believes some of the American financial aid to Egypt could be used -- with conditions -- to help these victims.

"Every American listening to us right now -- not only Americans but anybody in the world -- can make a difference," he said.

"You can contact your congressman. You can contact your senator. You can show them that you care about these issues," he said. "If you send an email, or fax or make a telephone call, he can save a life."
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« Reply #460 on: July 10, 2013, 11:13:51 AM »

http://www.businessinsider.com/egypt-is-on-the-brink-of-its-worst-government-yet-2013-7


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« Reply #461 on: July 18, 2013, 07:44:03 AM »

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Egyptian Politician: U.S. Ambassador Member of Muslim Brotherhood 'Sleeper Cells'
Breitbart ^  | July 18, 2013 | DR. SUSAN BERRY

Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2013 6:10:02 AM by RobinMasters

Mustafa Bakari, an Egyptian politician, issued a brutal assessment of U.S. Ambassador to Egypt, Anne Patterson. Bakari stated, “In my opinion, she [Patterson] is a member of the sleeper cells of the Brotherhood, likely recruited by Essam al-Erian or Muhammad al-Baltagi.”

In a June 18 speech, Patterson made the following statement in a speech about the turmoil in Egypt:

“Some say that street action will produce better results than elections,” Patterson said. “To be honest, my government and I are deeply skeptical.”

John Hudson at Foreign Policy wrote of her reluctance to criticize Morsi:


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« Reply #462 on: July 19, 2013, 05:30:34 AM »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/egypt-ignores-washington-after-us-policy-missteps/2013/07/17/7c26fdb2-ef0b-11e2-9008-61e94a7ea20d_story.html


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« Reply #463 on: July 19, 2013, 06:36:03 AM »



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Yeah yo. We be united in dat. Justice fo Trayvon! He be white yo who he think he be withall dem numberz n shit? He aint shit- 333 times he can suk my dick yo.  dat dere make him racis n stuff like me be andreduhman with  3.0 "G" PA ya herd?




you obviously have nothing better to do......you are the dumbest poster on here....add something substantive for a change...
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you obviously have nothing better to do......you are the dumbest poster on here....add something substantive for a change...

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« Reply #468 on: July 26, 2013, 01:09:00 PM »

Pro-military masses in Cairo wave banners saying “Obama Out! Putin in!”


Hundreds of thousands of demonstrators filled Cairo’s streets and squares Friday, July 26 in rival rallies shortly after deposed president Mohamed Morsi was formally charged and detained for 15 days. Tahrir Square was packed with crowds responding to Defense Minister Gen. Abdel Fattah El-Sisi’s call for a mandate to support the military fight on “terrorists.” Another huge crowd of Morsi supporters packed the streets around the Rabaa al-Adawiya mosque in Nasser City. Instead of directing their ire at the overthrown Muslim Brotherhood, the pro-military demonstrators shouted “Bye Bye America!” as huge placards waved over their heads depicting as a threesome Gen. El-Sisi, Vladimir Putin and Gemal Abdel Nasser, who ruled Egypt in the 60s in close alliance with the Soviet Union. Their rivals in a separate part of Cairo chanted "Sisi out! Morsi is president! Down with the army!" In Alexandria, two people were killed and a dozen injured in clashes between Muslim Brotherhood supporters and opponents.

The anti-American banners represented a message: No matter if President Barack Obama denies the Egyptian people US support because of the military’s steps against the Muslim Brotherhood, Cairo has an option in Moscow.

Reports began appearing Friday morning on the social networks including Facebook from sources close to Putin that Moscow is considering supplying Egypt with advanced fighter bombers to replace the F-16 planes, whose delivery Obama suspended Wednesday, July 24. This was a gesture to show the US President’s displeasure over Gen El-Sisi’s rejection of the demand to release the ousted president and integrate the Muslim Brotherhood in the interim government. The military gave the Muslim Brotherhood an ultimatum to endorse the new situation by Friday. The Brotherhood, whose supporters have maintained a sit-in in Nasser City for 20 days, did not respond.

The military accordingly gave the screw another turn.

A Cairo investigating judge Friday ordered deposed president Morsi detained for 15 days pending investigation into charges of plotting with the Palestinian Hamas to orchestrate a jailbreak during the 2011 revolution and conniving with Hamas in killing police officers and soldiers.

He has been held at an unknown location since the coup. These charges carry potential death sentences.

They relate to the attack by armed men who on Aug. 5, 2012 killed 16 Egyptian border policemen in their camp in northern Sinai near Rafah. The prosecution claims to have evidence that the raid was plotted by Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood to depict the Egyptian military as a spent force. That attack kicked off the current armed Salafist mutiny against Egyptian military and police targets in Sinai

The other charge relates to the raid on Wadi Natroun prison at the tail end of the 2011 uprising against Hosni Mubarak, which broke out of jail thousands of inmates including Morsi and other Muslim Brotherhood leaders. According to debkafile’s intelligence sources, the jailbreak was executed by special networks of Hizballah and Hamas which had been planted in Cairo and Suez Canal cities for subversion and terrorism. The radical Hamas, offspring and ally of the Egyptian Brotherhood, is now solidly in the military regime’s sights as a hostile entity.

The military takeover of power in July 3 is gaining the aspect of a neo-Nasserist revolution. Many Egyptians are beginning to turn to Moscow in search of their country’s primary world ally rather than Washington. They have taken note that Putin has shown himself to be the foe of the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria as well as Egypt.
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« Reply #469 on: July 27, 2013, 08:13:12 AM »

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/violence-deepens-egypt-turmoil-deposed-leader-probed-murder-020435120.html


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« Reply #470 on: August 06, 2013, 06:13:43 AM »

Egypt claims jihadists fired US Hellfire missile at government office
Fox News ^  | August 5, 2013 | Perry Chiaramonte

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Jihadists in Egypt's lawless Sinai Peninsula are using U.S. weapons to carry out attacks against the temporary government in the wake of the military's ouster of President Mohammed Morsi, according to the embattled nation's Interior Ministry.



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« Reply #471 on: August 14, 2013, 08:24:43 AM »

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324823804579011880172936694.html?mod=WSJ_Home_largeHeadline


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« Reply #472 on: August 15, 2013, 07:10:38 AM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/obama-press-conference_n_3761323.html#comments


LMFAO - another speech from this piece of trash while he is golfing and partying. 

What a waste of time this schmuck is
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« Reply #473 on: August 15, 2013, 08:34:14 AM »

Funny...no comments from the asshole who started this thread.
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« Reply #474 on: August 15, 2013, 08:40:54 AM »

Funny...no comments from the asshole who started this thread.

Remember when andre was in tears reading the article?  LMFAO!!!! 
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