For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?

[Firemuscle]

 I was talking about exercise with someone in my building yesterday. This guy has been into lifting and working out for a long time, he's in good shape. You can tell he works out just looking at him.

 Anyway. He said that he doesn't even lift weights anymore. He said that as a natural, after you lift for a few years and build up your foundation, you don't really gain much out of further lifting.

 He basically said that you should lift until you max out your genetic limits, then after that you don't really gain anything from lifting.

 So now he just lifts like once a week and only does the compound movements like squats and bench, just to keep his muscles toned up. But he mostly just goes cardio and sports for a workout. He said if he lifts weights hard he won't gain anything more because he is maxxed out already.

 He also said that lifting weights is not healthy for the kidneys and it puts a lot of strain on your body in general. Another reason to avoid it.

 Seems like he knows what he's talking about. He's cut with full muscles. Looks like he lifts weights, but he doesn't he just does other exercise.

 What do you think?

[The True Adonis]

I think you are uneducated.

[The Ugly]

He also said that lifting weights is not healthy for the kidneys

The lifting or the extra protein?

[Firemuscle]

The lifting or the extra protein?

 Both.

 The lifting is hard on them because it breaks down your muscles and your body has to repair it. This taxes your kidneys. After lifting hard, your liver and kidney enzyme levels spike up a lot usually. Repairing broken down muscle tissue is work for your body.

 The extra protien is not good too.

[Firemuscle]

I think you are uneducated.

 I know you think that.

 Because you are a pompous know-it-all little queer.

 You think everyone is uneducated compared to yourself. You think you're better than everyopne else. I get it....

 Now, would you kindly fuck off please?

[Cleanest Natural]

I agree w him

[The Ugly]

Both.

 The lifting is hard on them because it breaks down your muscles and your body has to repair it. This taxes your kidneys. After lifting hard, your liver and kidney enzyme levels spike up a lot usually. Repairing broken down muscle tissue is work for your body.

 The extra protien is not good too.

Interesting, never heard that about the lifting part.

[Firemuscle]

I agree w him

It makes sense to me too.

 I'm thinking about changing my regimen. Instead of lifting i'm bicycle more, do more rock climbing and stuff like that.

 I'm thinking of just lifting 1x per week to maintain. Squat, bench, overhead press, dumbells rows.

[Cleanest Natural]

It makes sense to me too.

 I'm thinking about changing my regimen. Instead of lifting i'm bicycle more, do more rock climbing and stuff like that.

 I'm thinking of just lifting 1x per week to maintain. Squat, bench, overhead press, dumbells rows.

maintain what ?

[Firemuscle]

maintain what ?

 My muscle size and definition. Keep myself maxxed out to my natural limits.

 Because I think that if I totally stop lifting i'll go flat. I think a little lifting is good to keep the muscles toned and pumped.

 At this point, the lifting is mostly just maintaining what I have and keeping it pumped and toned. There is no major growth happening because I already pushed to genetic limit. So might as well scale back the lifting in my regimen.

[Master Blaster]

some naturals would have to lift weights more frequently to maintain their muscle mass

[Firemuscle]

some naturals would have to lift weights more frequently to maintain their muscle mass

 I recently went 6 weeks without lifting.

 I noticed that I barely lost much strength, and didn't lose any size. The main thing that happened is that my muscles felt soft and flat.

 Then after a couple weeks of lifting I just went right back to where I was before.

 Makes me think that the main thing to do is just keep it pumped and toned.

[Per Se]

My muscle size and definition. Keep myself maxxed out to my natural limits.

 Because I think that if I totally stop lifting i'll go flat. I think a little lifting is good to keep the muscles toned and pumped.

 At this point, the lifting is mostly just maintaining what I have and keeping it pumped and toned. There is no major growth happening because I already pushed to genetic limit. So might as well scale back the lifting in my regimen.

Why are you so convinced that you have "pushed your genetic limit?"

[Firemuscle]

Why are you so convinced that you have "pushed your genetic limit?"

 I've been lifting for like 17 years.

 A couple times I went all out. Training really, really hard with maniac intensity. Diet perfect. I spent almost three years doing everything perfectly and reached my limits.

 When you push yourself to the limit, you see where it is.

[PJim]

You still need to give the muscle a reason to be there. Let me give you an analogy. I play nylon strung guitars. I often practice my fast passages/scales for hours at a time. My left hand has fingertips like granite. HOWEVER, if I don't play for a week or more my fingers start to slowly soften up. You can easily maintain musculature by training very infrequently yes, but eventually you will begin to decompensate if you leave it for too long.

[Army of One]

When you push yourself to the limit, you see where it is.

Must have hurt for your boyfriend.

[Firemuscle]

You still need to give the muscle a reason to be there. Let me give you an analogy. I play nylon strung guitars. I often practice my fast passages/scales for hours at a time. My left hand has fingertips like granite. HOWEVER, if I don't play for a week or more my fingers start to slowly soften up. You can easily maintain musculature by training very infrequently yes, but eventually you will begin to decompensate if you leave it for too long.

 I agree with that.

 I just think that maybe lifting hard 4x per week is unnecessary. Maybe just lifting once a week is week enough.

 The fitness industry tells us we should always lift hard 3 or 4x per week forever. But maybe they are just feeding us bullshit liek they always do?

[MB]

I agree that you can cut way back on the volume after you've been training for 15-20 years.  Lift once or twice per week and you can retain your size.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

You still need to give the muscle a reason to be there. Let me give you an analogy. I play nylon strung guitars. I often practice my fast passages/scales for hours at a time. My left hand has fingertips like granite. HOWEVER, if I don't play for a week or more my fingers start to slowly soften up. You can easily maintain musculature by training very infrequently yes, but eventually you will begin to decompensate if you leave it for too long.

This^ And as someone gets older, they will lose muscle mass. Something like 10% every decade. Stimulation of the muscle is needed for the muscle to survive without major atrophy.

[evandatp]

My muscle size and definition. Keep myself maxxed out to my natural limits.

Can you post your photos or links to them? (not much homo)

[benchmstr]

batman would be ashamed of your gayness...

bench

[Firemuscle]

Can you post your photos or links to them? (not much homo)

 I'm at work right now so can't do that.

 But I would say that I look like a mix between Marcus Ruhl and Brad Pitt.

[benchmstr]

I'm at work right now so can't do that.

 But I would say that I look like a mix between Marcus Ruhl and Brad Pitt.

[dj181]

I'm surprised that you went 6 weeks without training and didn't lose any size and/or strength blackflag. If I go for much over 2 weeks, at around the 17 day point, I start to lose size and strength. I can maintain size and strength with up to 2 weeks btw body parts. As far as your maintenance program goes, I would eliminate the overhead presses and just stick with some kind of bench press or dip.

[disco_stu]

I know you think that.

 Because you are a pompous know-it-all little queer.

 You think everyone is uneducated compared to yourself. You think you're better than everyopne else. I get it....

 Now, would you kindly fuck off please?

no, i actually agree with him.

you are a moron. but the type that is so dumb you dont realise it.

you know like those singers that audition for american idol and truly believe that they have talent?...theres a group of people like that when it comes to life in general.

you are one of them.