For a advanced naturals, is weight lifting even necessary?

[Firemuscle]

no, i actually agree with him.

you are a moron. but the type that is so dumb you dont realise it.

you know like those singers that audition for american idol and truly believe that they have talent?...theres a group of people like that when it comes to life in general.

you are one of them.

 I've got no illusions about life.

 Now if you'd excuse me. I need to go let your Mom eat out my asshole, she's begging for it.

[_bruce_]

Must have hurt for your boyfriend.

 

[True]

I was talking about exercise with someone in my building yesterday. This guy has been into lifting and working out for a long time, he's in good shape. You can tell he works out just looking at him.

 Anyway. He said that he doesn't even lift weights anymore. He said that as a natural, after you lift for a few years and build up your foundation, you don't really gain much out of further lifting.

 He basically said that you should lift until you max out your genetic limits, then after that you don't really gain anything from lifting.

 So now he just lifts like once a week and only does the compound movements like squats and bench, just to keep his muscles toned up. But he mostly just goes cardio and sports for a workout. He said if he lifts weights hard he won't gain anything more because he is maxxed out already.

 He also said that lifting weights is not healthy for the kidneys and it puts a lot of strain on your body in general. Another reason to avoid it.

 Seems like he knows what he's talking about. He's cut with full muscles. Looks like he lifts weights, but he doesn't he just does other exercise.

 What do you think?

It makes sense to me. Its really hard to put on more mass as an advanced natural. Its easier to just maintain it all instead. I did something very similar to what this dude did a year ago. 1 full body workout once a week, and the rest just cardio. It worked very well.

[Firemuscle]

It makes sense to me. Its really hard to put on more mass as an advanced natural. Its easier to just maintain it all instead. I did something very similar to what this dude did a year ago. 1 full body workout once a week, and the rest just cardio. It worked very well.

 I'm about to try a similar thing. I'm only gonna do squat, bench, overhead press and rows. Maybe throw in some curls. Just lift 1x per week or maybe do it in a two day split. Just bring the weight lifting down to a maintainence level routine.

 I'm also gonna ride my bicycle a lot more and get back into yoga. Maybe play some sports or get back into martial arts.

[JP_RC]

What about for the rest of us who actually enjoy weight training and don't just do it to reach our "potential"?

Even if I don't grow anymore, I'd still train because I enjoy it.

[Krankenstein]

I was talking about exercise with someone in my building yesterday. This guy has been into lifting and working out for a long time, he's in good shape. You can tell he works out just looking at him.

 Anyway. He said that he doesn't even lift weights anymore. He said that as a natural, after you lift for a few years and build up your foundation, you don't really gain much out of further lifting.

 He basically said that you should lift until you max out your genetic limits, then after that you don't really gain anything from lifting.

 So now he just lifts like once a week and only does the compound movements like squats and bench, just to keep his muscles toned up. But he mostly just goes cardio and sports for a workout. He said if he lifts weights hard he won't gain anything more because he is maxxed out already.

 He also said that lifting weights is not healthy for the kidneys and it puts a lot of strain on your body in general. Another reason to avoid it.

 Seems like he knows what he's talking about. He's cut with full muscles. Looks like he lifts weights, but he doesn't he just does other exercise.

 What do you think?

I dont think you have to worry about it at all.  You actually have to lift weights first before you can even think about getting to the point of being an "advanced lifter"

P.S.  epic man crush you have on him though.    Was this before or after you were helping him "relieve the tension in his sore muscles"

[Firemuscle]

I dont think you have to worry about it at all.  You actually have to lift weights first before you can even think about getting to the point of being an "advanced lifter"

P.S.  epic man crush you have on him though.    Was this before or after you were helping him "relieve the tension in his sore muscles"

 And just who the fuck are you?

 No man crush. Actually a buddy I know fairly well. He's from Mexico North, but he's cool.

[Krankenstein]

And just who the fuck are you?

 No man crush. Actually a buddy I know fairly well. He's from Mexico North, but he's cool.

Yes..hes just a "friend"......that occasionally likes going balls deep in you because it will help "keep your kidneys healthy"

Who the fuck I am is no concern to you twink....

[Firemuscle]

Yes..hes just a "friend"......that occasionally likes going balls deep in you because it will help "keep your kidneys healthy"

Who the fuck I am is no concern to you twink....

 Who the fuck you are is of no concern to me. That's definitely true.

[Tito24]

thats what i think sometimes as well. its that i like lifting and sore muscles but i think that not training after some years is not really required anymore to hold on the mass you have.
weeks go by that i only train for two times a week. i think only doing a few basic excersizes is enough and training like a madman 4/5 times a week doing all kinds of machines and cables is bullshit.

[Per Se]

I've been lifting for like 17 years.

 A couple times I went all out. Training really, really hard with maniac intensity. Diet perfect. I spent almost three years doing everything perfectly and reached my limits.

 When you push yourself to the limit, you see where it is.

ok I hear ya.  What are your stats if u dnt mind me asking....height, weight, (best lifts etc).

[Firemuscle]

ok I hear ya.  What are your stats if u dnt mind me asking....height, weight, (best lifts etc).

 Sure bro. Here's a picture of me and my homeboys.

 I'm the guy on the right. I can bench press 495 for 8 reps. Nothing special.

 

[Jaime]

Put it this way my father maintains his build just doing pressups and curls, he is fifty five, lifetime natty. His det is also complete shit, he probably gets about a quarter of the protein he should be getting.

Great genetics and solid foundation, it doesn't disappear. Drug gains disappear.

[Cleanest Natural]

Put it this way my father maintains his build just doing pressups and curls, he is fifty five, lifetime natty. His det is also complete shit, he probably gets about a quarter of the protein he should be getting.

Great genetics and solid foundation, it doesn't disappear. Drug gains disappear.

so your mom had an adventure with a bum with shitty genes?

[Jaime]

so your mom had an adventure with a bum with shitty genes?

What are you talking about? A guy that is old enough to be your father carries about three times your muscle mass natural.


You have absolutely horrible genetics.


You are the best example of drug weight that dissapears as soon as you stop cycle.

[Cleanest Natural]

What are you talking about? A guy that is old enough to be your father carries about three times your muscle mass natural.


You have absolutely horrible genetics.


You are the best example of drug weight that dissapears as soon as you stop cycle.

[Jaime]

After about five years you have probably hit your full growth potential, after that you are looking at very small increments.

So after you are maxed out i don't think there needs to be a great deal of intensity, a lot of it is probably genetics though, there are some guys that are just not suited to training.

[Per Se]

Sure bro. Here's a picture of me and my homeboys.

 I'm the guy on the right. I can bench press 495 for 8 reps. Nothing special.

 

Ok whatever.
The reason i asked u the question in the first place is because so many ppl have a defeatest attitude when it comes to lifting..."ooh ive been training so long, ooh i cant get bigger, i cant stronger etc etc" ....HOWEVER, most of these ppl dont even train hard.
Im guessing you're part of that 'crew' as u cant even answer a simple question?

[Per Se]

i read in ur other thread that you're 5'8" and "think" you'll weigh 145lbs in your lil contest?

and you've reached your NATURAL GENETIC LIMIT?  REALLY???

[Meso_z]

thats what i think sometimes as well. its that i like lifting and sore muscles but i think that not training after some years is not really required anymore to hold on the mass you have.
weeks go by that i only train for two times a week. i think only doing a few basic excersizes is enough and training like a madman 4/5 times a week doing all kinds of machines and cables is bullshit.

You must be huge.

[PJim]

I agree with that.

 I just think that maybe lifting hard 4x per week is unnecessary. Maybe just lifting once a week is week enough.

 The fitness industry tells us we should always lift hard 3 or 4x per week forever. But maybe they are just feeding us bullshit liek they always do?

I think you misunderstood. I haven't trained more often than once a week for almost 4 years...

[dj181]

Drop the overhead presses Blackflag, and just stick with The Big 3: squats, rows, and benches. Also, don't drop your training weight, unless you want to get smaller and weaker.

[Krankenstein]

Who the fuck you are is of no concern to me. That's definitely true.

Asking me who the fuck I am negates you later on saying "who you are is of no concern to me"  HA

P.S.  Did you get your gym membership yet?  You do have a contest coming up....ha ha ha ha

[Tito24]

You must be huge.

im one of the bigger guys here but i treat everyone with respect because we all started small.

[Firemuscle]

 "Big or small" is important when it comes to cock size.

 When it comes to body mass lots of people really do not want to be big.

 Cuts, shape and vascularity is good. Lots of mass is something that most guys on't even want.
 
 If you are natural, and massive. It is almost a sure thing that you'll be chubby and have horrible shape.