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Re: When Fallsview says Stay Positive it makes me want to kill something
« Reply #50 on: February 18, 2011, 11:20:56 AM »
yeah, fallsview was a little funny in the beginning with that nutrient timing stuff but man he is just painful to read now

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Re: When Fallsview says Stay Positive it makes me want to kill something
« Reply #51 on: February 18, 2011, 11:41:50 AM »
"Fallsview" remind you of anyone?

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Re: When Fallsview says Stay Positive it makes me want to kill something
« Reply #52 on: February 18, 2011, 11:45:39 AM »


stay positive bro it gets better...........tough guy ::)
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Re: When Fallsview says Stay Positive it makes me want to kill something
« Reply #53 on: February 18, 2011, 11:46:03 AM »
Ballspew = Alex's gimmick to lick his own sack.......

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Re: When Fallsview says Stay Positive it makes me want to kill something
« Reply #54 on: February 18, 2011, 11:46:41 AM »
Ballspew = as funny as a heart attack

P.S: His mom stays HIV positive
Me thinks THE GAYLIFTER  has issues ;D
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Re: When Fallsview says Stay Positive it makes me want to kill something
« Reply #55 on: February 18, 2011, 12:15:38 PM »
Me thinks THE GAYLIFTER  has issues ;D

Your mom has issues

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Re: When Fallsview says Stay Positive it makes me want to kill something
« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2011, 12:17:47 PM »
Your mom has issues

You know she does.....poor thing having dan's head pass thru her birthing canal..... :-\

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Re: When Fallsview says Stay Positive it makes me want to kill something
« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2011, 12:39:48 PM »
Me thinks THE GAYLIFTER  has issues ;D

Don't tell me your mom thought of that one all by herself

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #58 on: February 18, 2011, 01:48:24 PM »
thanks for the advices :) im not taking any pain killers i dont want my organs fried as well.
yeah this is why im probably just going to stick with bodyweight exercises. i think the body is only designed to carry heavy loads very occasionaly like in life or death situations such as running with a weight of 130 pounds like the size of a person you should only do if its a life or death situaton and not a workout :(

so im guessing you dont do deadlifts anymore?


I would still do rack partials, more like just static holds of an extremely heavy weight. It does put some minor compression on the spine, but I'm always cinched up real tight. Partial rack holds/shrugs/partial deads can be used without hurting anything and still let your body know that you are training heavy.

The Golgi tendon response in your hands tells the muscles that you still need the nervous impulses to be able to manage heavy weights. I do lots of heavy lifts, just none that put my LB in a vulnerable place.

Heavy rack shrugs are great for the traps, neck, delts and overall "muscle memory"- once you start bending, that's where you become succeptible to long term injury.

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #59 on: February 18, 2011, 01:54:03 PM »
  ;D we werent all born 6'6'", "epic leanz" genetics and a huge dick falcon.. 
nothing gay about this post ...  ::) ::) ::)
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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2011, 01:56:27 PM »
nothing gay about this post ...  ::) ::) ::)

tperez..... :-\

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2011, 02:52:56 PM »

What you have to understand is that all of your nerves at some point run through the spine.  So let's say that you get Spondylo (where the disc slippage begins)- the result will be a bulging intravertebral disc, the question is this: will the disc detioriate, push out the front, or push out the back? Either way the nerves will get trapped in what is called "forimanal narrowing" and probably some form of "facet arthropathy"- since you can't (in the U.S) replace the discs, the only thing you can really do is try to straighten the discs that are "subluxated" by some type of manipulation, which is usually done by a chiropractor. One would only hope that you would be referred to a chiro who takes X-rays and understands what your MRI or neurologist states in his limitations. This may ease the pain somewhat (along with P.K's)- but then you have to deal with the constant adjustment of the surrounding musculature. They may spasm, they may constrict, they may stretch, and it will all be dependent on your genetic structure, how you sleep, and what you do during the day.

If your disc is bulging out the front (rare) the last thing you want to do are hyperextensions. If your disc is popping out the back, the last thing you want to do are flexion exercises. Sitting may even be a problem because when you sit, the muscles relax and the total weigh of your UB rests on these fucked up discs which in turn, press even harder on the nerves. The nerves will inflame and the opening (tunnel) for the nerves will seemingly constrict.

Back injurious are insidious: By the time you realize that your back is severely fucked up, the damage has already been done without your knowledge. Like the previous poster (??? sorry) said, you will wind up on the floor crawling around the damn house wondering WTF?


Deadlifting is a great way to build total body musculature. It is one of the "kings' of all exercise, but when you get older, not only will you NEVER attempt them again, you will also wish you had NEVER done them in the first place. There is a point in the deadlift during the lift where your weakest link has to be incorporated. I firmly believe that this is where it all starts.

Even Frank Zane says if he had to do it all over again, he would not have lifted as heavy and as long as he did. Sure, he developed fantastic side delts, but he says he's been paying the price with daily pain ever since- to the point of where he can't even work his shoulders anymore.

when you are young....ahhhhhhhhh... to be young and have a chance to do it all over again, knowing what you know now.


Good luck my friend. The Pain Killers and the anti-inflammatories will fuck you up worse than your back in the end. At the same time, I've never met anyone who has had a "successful" back surgery to where there is no residual pain.


this is why Workers Comp Insurance companies fight tooth and nail over back injuries. They are insidious, they are hard to "prove" with even MRI's, EKG's, Cats, and X-rays, yet they are very real, and just about 80% of the population sports a sore back at one time or another- or eventually.


Call it wear and tear, old age, whatever. I say, be fucking careful NOW and think real hard about those special "lifts" you perform in the gym. Just cuz someone say's they work, doesn't mean they are not permanently detrimental to your health.

I could start another diatribe on the idiocracy of bench pressing. I'll just count my blessings that this isn't a powerlifting forum.  ;D









one of the very few smart comment on here. i guess jhonny moron will ignore it. But yeah whats the point of destroying ur body because your insecure about your muscle mass... so many heavy lifters destroying their back for nothing...

i also agree that becnh press destroys your shoulders. In fact the helathiest way to workout is to do dips for both chest and tris. crunches for abs. and biceps curls. and voila you ve got a healthy and impressive enough physique for 99%of the population. now everything else is predeterminated by your genetics, your somatotype. If you ll look ''big'', ''lean'' etc.fact is lifting weights works the same for everyone whatever gender and age, it builds muscles period.

i too looked great when i lifted religiously for 5 years in a row being ''on'' creatine . this is also when johny daddy waddy looked his best. round full muscles, tons of water retention...then i hapened to get a life and meanginful relationships . I didnt care much about having the biggestmuscles and focused on more important things in life. Do not destroy your body for nothing you ll regret it later. train healthy and do other things, seriously.

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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2011, 03:19:48 PM »
From another forum


Not sure if anyone has tried this but I thought I would share. I hope it helps someone.

I’ve had chronic neck and back pain for at least the last five years. My right shoulder blade always aches and throbs, radiates pain up my neck, and makes me really cautious when rolling.

Over the 10 years that I’ve trained jiu jitsu, I’ve been thrown on my head multiple times, had my neck twisted and cranked every way, and busted up the ac joint in my shoulder more than once.

I have gotten used to being in pain and just figured it was the result of training and getting older. I’ll be 43 in September.

The last year I’ve gotten slower, less limber and had more aches and pains than normal. I can still train with all the younger guys and do well but I was starting to feel like I was getting older. My knees ached so much and grew so stiff that I gave up butterfly guard. Sitting on my heels in guard was getting harder.

Fortunately, in addition to jiu jitsu I’ve also practiced ashtanga yoga and this has literally made my life tolerable.

In an attempt to alleviate my aching shoulder and neck, I’ve spent thousands of dollars on massage therapy, done every kind of exercise imaginable to loosen up my neck and shoulder, bought a $2500 mattress that was supposed to properly support my body, and made my girlfriend rub my shoulder and neck almost every day.

Everything has worked to some extent but nothing has “cured” me.

Until now.

I wish I’d discovered some fancy cure that I could sell on tv and the internet for millions but the remedy costs nothing at all.

I’ve given up my bed and started sleeping on my back on a hardwood floor.

After five nights of this, I feel 1,000 times better. My whole body seems like it has gone back in time 20 years.

It takes time to get used to. You have to commit to sleeping on the floor for at least a week.

The first night was the hardest. I was only able to sleep for about 30 minutes. The rest of the time the most amazing thing started happening. I could literally feel my body release all the tension it had held for so long. My neck let go, my shoulder loosened up, my belly relaxed, my legs and hips let go. My knees got more flexible. I felt my whole body unwind.

When I got up in the morning, I felt like a new person. I was more flexible that I had been in years.

The next night I was exhausted and ended up sleeping for 9 hours. Felt much better the next day but ten years or more of pain is not going away after two nights.

Third night, I slept five or six hours. I woke up in the middle of the night and stretched for two hours and my body once again released tension in every joint and area.

Fourth night, more of the same. Woke up for a couple of hours and stretched, then back to sleep.

I can’t explain the stretching exactly but it’s not like the normal struggle to touch your toes. People always talk about their muscles being tight. From my understanding, our muscles don’t really get tight or shorten up like we tend to think. The fascia that wraps our muscles is what gets tight and causes us pain. A therapist explained it to me by using a sweater analogy. The fascia wraps our body like a sweater. When you get hurt, the fascia tightens and starts to twist around the muscles like when you wring out a sweater when it’s wet.

Sleeping on the floor has helped unwrap the fascia and led to this sensation of release. I’ll wake up from a dead sleep when I feel the sensation of the fascia unwrapping. It’s one of the greatest feelings I’ve ever had. From a dead sleep I’ll be able to stretch anywhere from two to twelve inches farther than I have before.

The fifth night was more of the same. I didn’t wake up to stretch, though. I did feel my body lengthening and loosening. My limbs felt like they were releasing from the shoulder and hip socket. Normally, I have a significant sway in my back and my low back is usually four to six inches off the floor. Now that curve has started to flatten out and my low back is maybe an inch or two off the ground.

I really can’t believe how much better I feel. Now as the day goes on and I feel my shoulder tighten up, I can’t wait to get home and lie down on the floor.

I feel so much better. I move better in jiu jitsu. Butterfly guard is much easier. Shoulder rolls and upside down guard are much less of a problem. My knees feel great. My neck feels much better. My shoulder is almost pain free, at least for the first part of the day.

I put my bed up for sale of craigslist today.

(My girlfriend also started sleeping on the floor with me. She hasn’t had the same results; but she hasn’t had the same problems. She says she feels much better and is amazed by the whole experience.)


wow man awesome post! i will begin sleeping on the floor IMMEDIATLEY!

i have had that inclination that i should be doing that for a multitude of reasons anyways. sometimes when im sleepy at work ill just doze off on the floor with the sunlight shining on my face, so relaxing..

this is probably what my body needs is some fullnights sleeping on the floor, the floor is sturdy and like a massage pressing hard on the body, makes sense that most creatures do this aswell, plus its closer to the ground type of energy if that means anything, again great post!
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Important Message to Johnny Falcon
« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2011, 03:21:12 PM »
Johnny- My favorite variety of orange is the seedless navel orange... Discuss.

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Re: Important Message to Johnny Falcon
« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2011, 03:22:36 PM »
Johnny- My favorite variety of orange is the seedless navel orange... Discuss.

but oranges with seeds are life giving, elaborate.
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Re: does the lower back ever recover?
« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2011, 03:23:39 PM »
dude just stop doing stupid exercises destroying your back it s that easy and hope the harm you ve done so far isnt that important . you re still young so it should recover.

now about sleeping on the floor... well... you tell us in one week...

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Re: Important Message to Johnny Falcon
« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2011, 03:24:38 PM »
but oranges with seeds are life giving, elaborate.

According to Wikipedia (the ultimate source for information):

"Today, navel oranges continue to be produced through cutting and grafting. This does not allow for the usual selective breeding methodologies, and so not only do the navel oranges of today have exactly the same genetic makeup as the original tree, and are therefore clones, all navel oranges can be considered to be the fruit of that single nearly two-hundred-year-old tree."

Pretty cool huh

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« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2011, 03:29:29 PM »

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Re: Important Message to Johnny Falcon
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2011, 03:30:10 PM »
According to Wikipedia (the ultimate source for information):

"Today, navel oranges continue to be produced through cutting and grafting. This does not allow for the usual selective breeding methodologies, and so not only do the navel oranges of today have exactly the same genetic makeup as the original tree, and are therefore clones, all navel oranges can be considered to be the fruit of that single nearly two-hundred-year-old tree."

Pretty cool huh

wow that is actually interesting

kinda like water its been here since the beginning of time all liquids evaporate then rain down to earth then evaporate again, . water is strange it doesnt seem to be destroyed, i think ufos are mad of this material perhaps to travel back in time since water is time-less= going back in time
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Re: Important Message to Johnny Falcon
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2011, 03:30:16 PM »
According to Wikipedia (the ultimate source for information):

"Today, navel oranges continue to be produced through cutting and grafting. This does not allow for the usual selective breeding methodologies, and so not only do the navel oranges of today have exactly the same genetic makeup as the original tree, and are therefore clones, all navel oranges can be considered to be the fruit of that single nearly two-hundred-year-old tree."

Pretty cool huh

You can do the same thing with pot.    :)

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Re: Important Message to Johnny Falcon
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« Reply #71 on: February 18, 2011, 03:34:42 PM »
wow that is actually interesting

kinda like water its been here since the beginning of time all liquids evaporate then rain down to earth then evaporate again, . water is strange it doesnt seem to be destroyed, i think ufos are mad of this material perhaps to travel back in time since water is time-less= going back in time

Yea UFO's definitely are mad that we have water.

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Re: Important Message to Johnny Falcon
« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2011, 04:30:16 PM »
Yea UFO's definitely are mad that we have water.

u know what i mean,

if you think about it water has memory wich is equal to chemical structure, this is why water always remembers to be sticky like drops of water always will form into a puddle

well thats one type of memory, there is another chemical structure/memory that will take us back way long time ago, elaborate.
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Re: Important Message to Johnny Falcon
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2011, 04:35:30 PM »
u know what i mean,

if you think about it water has memory wich is equal to chemical structure, this is why water always remembers to be sticky like drops of water always will form into a puddle

well thats one type of memory, there is another chemical structure/memory that will take us back way long time ago, elaborate.

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Re: Important Message to Johnny Falcon
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2011, 04:40:02 PM »
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