Author Topic: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids (Read 5573 times)

Dos Equis · « **on:** February 15, 2011, 04:48:00 PM »

Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
By Associated Press
POSTED: 06:45 a.m. HST, Feb 15, 2011

Grant Woo, co-owner of Impact Games LLC, put away a G36 airsoft gun Friday at his shop in Aiea. At Impact Games, every purchase comes with a printed set of rules and laws regarding the use of the guns. "With some of these younger kids, they might not realize how serious it is to play with any kind of replica toy gun," he said.

A proposal to ban selling toy guns to children is getting a hearing in the Senate.

The Senate Commerce and Consumer Protection Committee is scheduled to consider the bill Tuesday at 9 a.m. in conference room 229 at the state capitol.

The measure would make it illegal to sell toy guns to anyone under 18 years old, punishable by a maximum fine of $2,000 and 90 days imprisonment.

Toy guns could include everything from water pistols to BB guns. The legislation doesn't provide a definition for a toy gun.

Lawmakers supporting the measure have said the bill's intent is to ensure guns that look real don't get into the hands of children without a parent's permission.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/116234684.html

Skip8282 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2011, 05:42:02 PM »

And the nanny state continues...

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2011, 05:52:34 PM »

Pussification of the usa.

pedro01 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2011, 07:29:04 PM »

Land of the free

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2011, 07:30:25 PM »

I don't see what's so bad about it

I disagree with anyone that says they have a "right" to put a toy gun in a child's hands.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2011, 07:33:48 PM »

Better to have boys with sponge bob and barbie right?

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2011, 07:37:35 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on February 15, 2011, 07:33:48 PM

Better to have boys with sponge bob and barbie right?

I'm glad you asked for my point of view

I see no evidence of toy guns increasing a child's development, behavior, or character in any shape or form. The ability to purchase toy guns for children is not a basic liberty (I think we can all agree to that). So I see no evidence that tells me I should fight for that "right". If you're arguing about a slippery slope then I think we need to separate that concern from this one.

I have seen one too many children (under the age of 5) point a toy gun at a person and say "pow". I have to be honest, it made me sad to see that.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2011, 07:42:28 PM »

Kids have been playing cowboys and indians forever, why is it only now a problem.

tonymctones · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2011, 07:45:00 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on February 15, 2011, 07:37:35 PM

I'm glad you asked for my point of view

I see no evidence of toy guns increasing a child's development, behavior, or character in any shape or form. The ability to purchase toy guns for children is not a basic liberty (I think we can all agree to that). So I see no evidence that tells me I should fight for that "right". If you're arguing about a slippery slope then I think we need to separate that concern from this one.

I have seen one too many children (under the age of 5) point a toy gun at a person and say "pow". I have to be honest, it made me sad to see that.

LOL come the fuck on dude this has to be either the worst trolling attempt ever or the stupidest shit ive ever heard

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2011, 07:54:00 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on February 15, 2011, 07:45:00 PM

LOL come the fuck on dude this has to be either the worst trolling attempt ever or the stupidest shit ive ever heard

Na I'm serious. I cant think of a good reason to support toy guns in children's hands. I think guns are something people should be introduced to once they have matured. I've tried to think of a good reason to support it and I can't, unless you want to turn this into a whole "Should paternalistic laws exist" (i.e. What is the role of government) but that's a different conversation than this one. I'm talking about whether my hypothetical 3 year old son has a natural right to be introduced to the concept of guns. I don't think they do, so there is no sacrifice of rights or liberties here. I've read too many articles about children finding real guns and thinking they were toys, killing their older siblings or one of their parents. If this law saves one accidental death, then I think it'll be worth it; especially if that accidental death is my own child.

In response to 333: I also disagree with children playing cowboys and indians

tonymctones · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2011, 08:13:29 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on February 15, 2011, 07:54:00 PM

Na I'm serious. I cant think of a good reason to support toy guns in children's hands. I think guns are something people should be introduced to once they have matured. I've tried to think of a good reason to support it and I can't, unless you want to turn this into a whole "Should paternalistic laws exist" (i.e. What is the role of government) but that's a different conversation than this one. I'm talking about whether my hypothetical 3 year old son has a natural right to be introduced to the concept of guns. I don't think they do, so there is no sacrifice of rights or liberties here. I've read too many articles about children finding real guns and thinking they were toys, killing their older siblings or one of their parents. If this law saves one accidental death, then I think it'll be worth it; especially if that accidental death is my own child.

In response to 333: I also disagree with children playing cowboys and indians

LOL well as long as you deem it unreasonable i guess that means its ok...

then again some ppl feel that playing with barbies are unreasonable as well so lets outlaw those and oh ya violent video games, go carts, roller blades etc...

you could say the same idiotic shit for all toys bro...

240 is Back · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2011, 08:21:32 PM »

i like them with the little orange tips. at least then, any kid dumb enough to peel it off - and any parent that doesn't throw the toy in the trash once the kid removes it..

Well, it's just a smart idea to remove it. You can pass out darwin awards to people who break the toy to exercise their right to carry something cops will shoot at them for pointing.

tonymctones · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2011, 08:22:56 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on February 15, 2011, 08:21:32 PM

i like them with the little orange tips. at least then, any kid dumb enough to peel it off - and any parent that doesn't throw the toy in the trash once the kid removes it..

Well, it's just a smart idea to remove it. You can pass out darwin awards to people who break the toy to exercise their right to carry something cops will shoot at them for pointing.

exactly and if im not mistaken its actually illegal to sale toy guns without the orange tip.

240 is Back · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2011, 08:27:37 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on February 15, 2011, 08:22:56 PM

exactly and if im not mistaken its actually illegal to sale toy guns without the orange tip.

sounds fair to me.

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #14 on:** February 16, 2011, 03:46:06 AM »

Quote from: tonymctones on February 15, 2011, 08:13:29 PM

LOL well as long as you deem it unreasonable i guess that means its ok...

then again some ppl feel that playing with barbies are unreasonable as well so lets outlaw those and oh ya violent video games, go carts, roller blades etc...

you could say the same idiotic shit for all toys bro...

It's not only because toy guns are unnecessary. It's also because they have the potential of being dangerous (about children confusing toy guns with real guns for example). To me it's similar to how I don't think I should introduce my child to fake drugs, or toy syringes, or toy cigarettes, etc. I don't think toy guns are on the same level as barbies or go carts or roller blades so I think that analogy doesn't work. There would have to be significant data available showing that toy guns are beneficial for me to change my mind. Until then, I think the consequences (being introduced to a gun lifestyle, possibly confusing toy guns with real guns, considering shooting something or someone with a gun and getting shot as 'play', etc) are worse than the benefits.

You made the mistake of talking about the slippery slope aspect of it. I think that's for a different conversation; I'm only talking about the existence of toy guns and the "right" to buy toy guns for children.

rccs · « **Reply #15 on:** February 16, 2011, 03:57:24 AM »

they will be selling them baby dolls...

pedro01 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 16, 2011, 05:52:11 AM »

Kid on the left needs protecting.

I say we lynch his parents to protect him from their bad parenting.

pedro01 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 16, 2011, 05:58:58 AM »

Toy guns are no more an issue than Kinder eggs.

Kids are actually pretty smart. I think American kids must be slightly retarded if they need all those rules and regulations. Look at the Kinder egg ban. What kind of retarded child would try to eat the toy? Are we confusing infants & children, here?

As for all this "a kid may confuse a real gun for a toy" - that's nonsense. If you leave a real gun lying around within a childs reach, you are asking for trouble. Or do you think leaving a real gun on the sofa will be OK as long as your kids haven't played with toy guns? Here's a hint - if your kids have access to firearms, it ain't toys that are the issue.

tonymctones · « **Reply #18 on:** February 16, 2011, 07:12:27 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on February 16, 2011, 03:46:06 AM

It's not only because toy guns are unnecessary. It's also because they have the potential of being dangerous (about children confusing toy guns with real guns for example). To me it's similar to how I don't think I should introduce my child to fake drugs, or toy syringes, or toy cigarettes, etc. I don't think toy guns are on the same level as barbies or go carts or roller blades so I think that analogy doesn't work. There would have to be significant data available showing that toy guns are beneficial for me to change my mind. Until then, I think the consequences (being introduced to a gun lifestyle, possibly confusing toy guns with real guns, considering shooting something or someone with a gun and getting shot as 'play', etc) are worse than the benefits.

You made the mistake of talking about the slippery slope aspect of it. I think that's for a different conversation; I'm only talking about the existence of toy guns and the "right" to buy toy guns for children.

REALLY??? well lets look at how many young girls have eating disorders in comparison to how many young boys accidentally kill someone with a gun they thought was fake?

FACT is far more girls have eating disorders that can be directly attributed to the idea of "barbie" than there are the idiocy your spouting off about...so lets outlaw barbie dolls as well then...

LOL by your logic there isnt a right to buy any kind of toy magoo...so lets just ban them all then

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #19 on:** February 16, 2011, 07:27:03 AM »

Quote from: tonymctones on February 16, 2011, 07:12:27 AM

REALLY??? well lets look at how many young girls have eating disorders in comparison to how many young boys accidentally kill someone with a gun they thought was fake?

FACT is far more girls have eating disorders that can be directly attributed to the idea of "barbie" than there are the idiocy your spouting off about...so lets outlaw barbie dolls as well then...

LOL by your logic there isnt a right to buy any kind of toy magoo...so lets just ban them all then

Young girls shouldn't be persuaded to think that Barbie's proportions and features are realistic. I don't know why you keep saying "well since there are worse things, we should also have _____, although it's bad." I don't think we should have either young boys pretending to shoot their friends, nor girls thinking that they should physically resemble Barbie to a tee. Barbie's can be made and given to girls without impossible physical ratios; that part of a barbie isn't a necessary component of that toy. If you want to talk about Barbies then that is a different conversation, this thread is about whether or not it's a good idea for children to have toy guns. I still think there are better ways for 3 year old boys to have fun that does not involve pointing a toy gun at a sibling and pretending to shoot them. There are better toys out there that dont mimic guns.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #20 on:** February 16, 2011, 07:29:23 AM »

Yeah, like toy tanks, bomber planes, gi-joes, etc.

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #21 on:** February 16, 2011, 07:31:03 AM »

I grew up with toy, and real, guns in our house....vast majority of my very young years were spent playing "army" with my brothers and friends. Same for almost all of my friends. The difference being that my dad and brothers taught me the difference between the toy and real and were responsible gun owners.
I hate it, but times have changed. I don't know it an all out ban is the solution, but the youth of today are certainly a far cry from what they were when i grew up. Very sad that we even have to have this conversation.

tonymctones · « **Reply #22 on:** February 16, 2011, 08:21:27 AM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on February 16, 2011, 07:27:03 AM

Young girls shouldn't be persuaded to think that Barbie's proportions and features are realistic. I don't know why you keep saying "well since there are worse things, we should also have _____, although it's bad." I don't think we should have either young boys pretending to shoot their friends, nor girls thinking that they should physically resemble Barbie to a tee. Barbie's can be made and given to girls without impossible physical ratios; that part of a barbie isn't a necessary component of that toy. If you want to talk about Barbies then that is a different conversation, this thread is about whether or not it's a good idea for children to have toy guns. I still think there are better ways for 3 year old boys to have fun that does not involve pointing a toy gun at a sibling and pretending to shoot them. There are better toys out there that dont mimic guns.

just trying to show where your logic takes us...you cant look at things in a bubble magoo...

but for the sake of this thats fine well stay in your defined imaginary bubble...

what specific harm do you attribute to toy guns?

tonymctones · « **Reply #23 on:** February 16, 2011, 08:42:16 AM »

would you do away with NERF guns as well magoo?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #24 on:** February 16, 2011, 08:44:26 AM »

Quote from: tonymctones on February 16, 2011, 08:42:16 AM

would you do away with NERF guns as well magoo?

Shold we do away with supersoakers?