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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #75 on: February 16, 2011, 04:50:31 PM »
google "mistaken, toy gun" and look at the news articles. There are a lot more than I thought. You can see for yourself.
I did i got one from vietnam and one from the US from 3 years ago...

sorry magoo, please find some for me...

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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #76 on: February 16, 2011, 04:56:48 PM »
Like I said kids playing w toy guns is not a problem imho - however a kid runniong around w a replica ar15 may get shot by cops, so I have no issue w the coloring of these things. 

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« Reply #77 on: February 16, 2011, 04:58:08 PM »
Like I said kids playing w toy guns is not a problem imho - however a kid runniong around w a replica ar15 may get shot by cops, so I have no issue w the coloring of these things. 
I can agree with that, 10x more ppl die b/c cops mistake these the toy guns for real guns than b/c some kid mistakes the toy gun for a real gun and shoots someone

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« Reply #78 on: February 16, 2011, 05:01:17 PM »
FACT SHEET ABOUT TOY GUNS


  Toy weapons are increasingly being used to commit real crimes, and more children are being killed when a toy gun is mistaken for a real gun, or a real gun for a toy.  Consider the following alarming facts about toy guns, crimes, and children/youth being killed: 
 
1.     On May 5, 2008, in Southaven, Mississippi, five elementary school students were suspended for bringing two realistic looking toy guns (pellet guns) to school. The toy guns’ orange safety tips were painted black.
2.     On February 6, 2008, in Okaloosa County, Florida, the Niceville Police Department responded to a drive-by BB gun shooting which caused injury to the eye of a young innocent bystander.

3.     On January 6, 2008, in Belleville, Illinois, a 39-year-old man was shot by police when the man pulled out a gray toy pistol, which looked real, from his waistband.

4.     On October 26, 2007, in San Diego, California, a gun scare caused the lockdown at Juan Diego School. The gun turned out to be a toy gun (Air soft replica of Berretta 92).

5.     On October 5, 2007, in Bakersfield, California, a 49-year-old man, Frank Ramos Sr. was fatally shot and killed by two Bakersfield police officers because he was holding a gun while standing in the street.  The gun turned out to be an imitation toy firearm.

6.     On June 22, 2007, in West Memphis, Arkansas, a 12-year-old boy, De Aunta Farrow, was shot and killed by a Memphis police officer because he was holding a toy gun in his hand, and the police officer said it looked real.

7.     On April 8, 2007, in Mount Vernon, New York, a 13-year-old boy was arrested by the police when he tried to rob a Chinese restaurant, with what police said was something that looked like a 38-caliber hand gun. The gun turned out to be a plastic Airsoft toy gun. The police officer said he was worried that these kids can get shot for nothing.

8.     On March 29, 2007, in Salt Lake City, Utah, four teenagers were arrested by a West Valley Police Officer, for a drive- by shooting, with a toy gun.

9.     On March 22, 2007, in Little Rock, Arkansas, a 12-year-old boy was shot and killed by a police officer.  The child’s silver toy gun was mistaken by the police for a real handgun.

10.  On February 24, 2007, in Brooklyn, New York, Sean ”Light” Anderson, a 27-year-old, caused a real gun fight, when getting into a car with what appeared to be an  AK-47 machine gun.  The cops fired several shots, but miraculously nobody was struck. Turned out, the gun was a fake.  A shocked witness said: “[The cops] running and shooting down the block where there could have been innocent bystanders.”

11.  In February 2007, in New Jersey, a teenager robbed a man for his Cocker Spaniel with an Airsoft gun, which looked like a .45-caliber handgun.  Police are concerned about mistaking the toy gun for the real gun, and these could result in tragedies.

12.  On February 12, 2007, in San Diego, California, Noe Rojas, a 17-year-old teenager, was shot and killed, by an 11 year veteran police officer, for having a toy gun, which resembled a .38 caliber revolver, during a traffic stop.   

13.  On November 26, 2006, in St. Louis, Missouri, police shot and wounded a 13-year-old boy in the hip, leg, and arm because officers said that the boy reached into his waist band, and pointed a toy revolver, which looked authentic, at them.

14.  On November 24, 2006, in Miami, Florida, Jose Varela, a 50-year-old freelance cartoonist, caused an at least two hour standoff at the Miami Harold’s Tribune building for carrying and pointing a realistic looking black plastic toy gun, resembling a semiautomatic weapon at people.  He was later arrested, and jailed.

15.  On July 25, 2006, in Ontario, California, a 15-year-old boy was shot and wounded when he pulled out and pointed, what appeared to be a .44-caliber magnum handgun, at some people.  The gun turned out to be an Airsoft replica toy gun, which shoots rubber or plastic pellets. The toy gun had the orange tip, but the police said that the orange tip was not visible!!

16.  On May 1, 2006, in West Valley City, Utah, a 10-year-old boy, a fourth-grade elementary school student, was suspended and booked into a juvenile detention facility for taking a plastic pellet-firing Airsoft pistol to school, and for shooting at least 13 classmates.

17.  On March 7, 2006, in Newark, New Jersey, a 32-year-old man was fatally shot by the police officers for brandishing a gun that appeared to be a chrome semi-automatic pistol. The man had a history of mental illness, and the gun turned out to be a toy gun purchased from an ice cream man. This was the first police shooting in Newark in 12 years.

18.  On July 7, 2006, in Cleveland, Ohio, a 55-year-old, James Nugent, got shot by a toy BB gun in the lower back by two Ohio State University students/ basketball players.

19.  On February 20, 2006, a Sargent High School freshman got suspended for bringing a pellet-shooting toy gun into school, and shooting a female student in the leg.

20.  On February 11, 2006, in Texas, Round Rock Police Officers had to draw weapons on two different teenagers on two different occasions for carrying toy weapons looking like a 45.  Sgt. Ben Hall of the Round Rock Police Department said, “Had he pulled out a weapon, there is a good chance he would have been shot!”   Round Rock police responded to eight fake gun calls within the past few weeks and there have been several toy guns recently confiscated from students who brought them to school.

a.     Round Rock Police are warning central Texans about dangerous trends they are seeing when it comes to toy guns. “Many times, you can’t tell which gun is real, and which one is a toy. Toy guns can be fatal attractions”, the local news sited. (Feb. 15-2006).

21.  On February 4, 2006, in Salinas, California, a freshman at North Salinas High School, was arrested and suspended indefinitely, for bringing a realistic looking toy gun, resembling a 9 mm, to school.

22.  On January 19, 2006, in Valley Glen, California, a fourth-grader was shot in the chest while at recess at Kittredge Street Elementary School, by a plastic pellet fired by an Airsoft pistol, shot by a 16-year old in an apartment across from school.

23.  On January 13, 2006, in Longwood, Florida, a 15-year-old, Christopher Penley, who was an eighth grader, was shot and killed by police officers for brandishing a pellet gun that closely resembled to a 9 mm at Milwee Middle School. The pellet toy gun had been painted to appear to be a real firearm.

24.  On December 25, 2005, in Los Angeles, California, a police officer shot a 43- year-old woman, Robin Hutching, and wounded her in the thigh, because she pointed a replica handgun at him.

25.  On February 8, 2005, in Olympia, Washington (Thurston County), Daniel Cootsa accidently shot his 19-year-old friend, David Nelson, in the head, mistaking it for a replica pellet gun. The bullet passed through his skull. Although he survived, he lost sight in one eye, and hearing in one ear, among other serious injuries. The gun was given to their friend’s sister for protection!  Daniel was sentenced and jailed later.

26.  In February of 2004, a 14-year-old boy in Lakewood, California, was shot and wounded after Sheriff’s Deputies mistakenly thought an Airsoft  pellet handgun in the boy’s waistband was real.

27.  On January 2, 2003, in Brooklyn, New York, police shot and killed a 17-year-old, Allen Newsome, after he pulled a pellet gun on a detective dressed as a delivery man.

28.  On October 4, 2002, in Carson, California, a sheriff’s deputy shot and wounded a man who had a toy gun that looked real, even though the toy gun had an orange tip, according to a witness.

29.  On August 19, 2002, in New Haven, Connecticut, Edgar Ayala, a 9-year-old boy, was shot and killed by his 10-year-old friend, with a .38-caliber revolver, and a .40-caliber Smith and Wesson, belonging to his 26-year-old stepfather. The boy said he thought the gun was a fake gun. His mother said that after the shooting, his son burst into the bedroom yelling, “Mommy, I didn’t mean it” and” I thought it was fake, Mommy, I am sorry,” over and over again.

30.  In August 2002, in Brooklyn, New York, a man was fatally shot by a police officer, for wielding something which turned out to be a toy hand gun.

31.  In 2002, in New Jersey, 14-year-old twin girls held up and robbed a bank, with an air pellet toy gun.

32.  In 2002, in Whitmore Lake, Michigan, Tommy Davis, a 7-year-old boy, faced three counts of felony assault charges for pointing a toy gun at three other youngsters and threatening to shoot them.

33.  On March 13, 2002, a BB gun shooting at Slidell Junior High School caused five students, ages 13 and 14, to be shot and injured, and two teenage shooters to be booked.

34.  On May 31, 2001, in Georgia, a man was almost shot by North Augusta Police Officers, for pointing a toy pellet gun at motorists from his car. He was arrested and jailed later.

35.  On May 5, 2001, in Huntington Beach, California, an 18-year-old, Antonio Salvidar, was shot and killed by a police officer, while the police mistook his toy rifle for a real gun.

36.  On November 20, 2000, in Charlotte, North Carolina, the Charlotte-Douglas International Airport had to shut down flight operation for two hours when the scanner spotted a gun which turned out to be a young boy’s metal toy gun. More than 100 flights were delayed and many missed their connections for the Thanksgiving holidays.

37.  On November 6, 2000, in Portland, Oregon, a 3-year-old boy shot his 25-year old father, Jonathan Davis Christian, when he mistook his father’s loaded .38-caliber revolver for a toy gun. His father left it on the kitchen table just for a few seconds while he went to go get the key to lock the gun’s trigger.

38.  On October 28, 2000, a Los Angeles Police Officer, responding to a loud Halloween costume party at a mansion in Beverly Hills, California, shot and killed 39-year old Anthony Dwain Lee (“Liar, Liar,” “ER,” and “NYPD Blue”). Lee was inside enjoying the party when he was killed.  The officer that shot him thought he had a .357 magnum semi-automatic, when in fact it was a rubber toy gun.

39.  On May 4, 2000, Santa Rosa police shot and killed a 37-year-old, Eugene Dieterle, in Santa Rosa Junior College when he pointed a black handgun, which turned out to be a plastic toy gun, painted in black.

40.  On April 10, 2000, in Sonoma County, California, Sheriff Deputies fatally shot 31-year-old, Erin MacDonald, at his home. Sheriff Deputies said that he was wielding a gun, which turned out to be a fake toy gun!!

41.  On March 31, 2000, in Brooklyn, New York, two teenagers, 19-year-old Tysheen Bourne, and 17-year-old Andre Fields, were fatally shot by two undercover Narcotics detectives while brandishing toy handguns.

42.  On November 10, 1999, in Monterey Park, California, a 13-year-old boy was shot twice on his upper left arm by an undercover cop because the boy had a toy gun resembling a real gun.

43.  On April 13, 1999, in Hartford, Connecticut, Aquan Salmon, a 14-year-old boy was fatally shot to death by a Hartford Police Officer, in which the police claimed the boy was reaching for a weapon. No gun was found, but the police said they found two gun-shaped cigarette lighters.

44.  On September 6, 1998, in Fort Myers, Florida, a 12-year-old boy, Ronald L. Harris, was arrested for pointing a toy gun at a man while demanding money.

45.  On August 23, 1998, Michael Jones, a 16-year old boy, was shot 17 times and critically wounded by two police officers in Brooklyn, New York while riding a bicycle because he had a water gun that looked like a 9mm MP5 submachine gun.

46.  In August of 1998, an entire terminal of the Los Angeles International Airport was evacuated when a toy gun was mistaken for a real gun. Many flights were affected, and many passengers were delayed.

47.  On August 6, 1998, in Pacoima, California, 23-year old Issac Alvarez was killed by his own gun when a 4-year old neighbor picked up the loaded rifle hidden under a bed and shot him in the back of his head. Police said the boy had stated that he thought it was a toy gun. Police said, “Toy rifles are out there. They play with toy rifles all the time. They are just like real guns.”

48.  On June 1, 1998, in Gardena, California, a 9-year old girl found a loaded handgun mounted underneath a desk in a woman’s office. While playing with it, she shot and killed her 6-year old sister when she aimed it at her chest. She said she believed “it was a toy.” The two sisters were brought to the business by their mother’s boyfriend, who works there.

49.  On April 3, 1998, a third grade boy took and displayed a small loaded antique 70-year-old real gun at Queen’s Elementary School.  The Principal delayed notifying the police because he thought it was a toy gun, and did not think it could have created a real disaster.

50.  On January 9, 1998, in Troy, Michigan (suburb of Detroit), police arrested a cross-dressing bank bobber who pointed, what looked like, a handgun at the bank teller.  It turned out that the gun actually was a toy. He is the probable suspect linked to at least a dozen bank heists in the area.

51.  On January 8, 1998 in Spokane, Washington, Lisa D., a 23-year-old woman, was arrested for robbing five banks for $5,500, with a toy gun.

52.  On December 26, 1997, a father and his two sons, ages twelve and fourteen, were shot several times and injured by their neighbor, while the two brothers were playing in their backyard with the paint ball gun that the younger brother had received as a Christmas present the day before.

53.  Another tragedy involving toy guns also occurred on November 5, 1997, when an explosion of a machine wrapping popping caps for toy guns and play hand grenades claimed the life of four innocent female workers (Juana Martinez Gonzalez, 33, Maria Valenzuela, 39, Gloria Jaramilo, 26) at the Imperial Toy Factory in Downtown Los Angeles.  The explosion also injured about two dozen others and several were hospitalized.

54.  Air guns are considered toys, but they have caused injuries and deaths, especially in boys 10 to 14 years old. A study conducted by researchers at the University of Washington School of Medicine, Seattle, University of Cincinnati School of Medicine, Cincinnati, and Children’s Mercy Hospital, Kansas City, Missouri (published in “Pediatrics,” the Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, Oct. 1997) reported that of 101 children hospitalized for air gun injuries, three died, fifteen were blinded permanently, twenty five suffered permanent visual loss, and half of those 101 needed surgery.

55.  On June 21, 1997, an entire terminal at Los Angeles International Airport was evacuated, grounding at least 15 flights, when a cigarette lighter, shaped like a pistol, was mistaken for a real gun.

56.  On March 1, 1997, a 6-year-old boy’s toy gun caused the evacuation of the San Jose International Airport, in California. More than 20 flights were affected.

57.  On January 31, 1997, in Long Island, New York, Laurie Leitner, a 26-year-old woman, was shot in the chest and killed by a West Islip Police Officer because the police officer thought the gun that Laurie carried was real; but it turned out to be a toy.

58.  In December 1995, police almost shot at a 10-year-old boy hiding in the bushes pointing a gun at them. The gun turned out to be a toy.

59.  On November 4, 1995, in National City (South of San Diego), California, Johnny Angel Navarrete, an 18-year-old boy, was shot in front of his house after an argument with several youths.  When he pulled a replica gun (a cigarette lighter) from his waistband that looked like a real gun, another youth pulled out his real gun, and shot him thinking the lighter was genuine.  Johnny died two days later.

60.  On Memorial Day, May 29, 1995, in Carson Park, California, Freddy Palacio, a 12-year-old, was shot twice by a Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputy who mistook the $2 toy gun for a .22 caliber pistol.

61.  On Sunday, April 2, 1995, in the City of Torrance, California, 18-year-old Santiago Lopez Garcia was shot to death by the police because he had a cigarette lighter, which resembled a gun in his hand. (Ironically, this was the same day that we were collecting the toy guns, and educating the children about the danger of toy guns and real guns, in a park, only a few miles away).

62.  On April 3, 1995, police almost shot at Robert Alvarez, a 28-year-old man, in East L.A., California, because he had a lighter in the shape of a semiautomatic pistol. He was arrested and charged with suspected brandishing of a firearm “on a public thoroughfare.”

63.  In October of 1994, Nicholas Heyward Jr., a 13-year-old boy and straight-A student of Brooklyn, NY, was shot in the chest and killed by a police officer when he was playing with his toy gun.

64.  Jamiel Johnson, a 16-year old boy, was shot and wounded on the same day, and in the same city as above, for the same reason.

65.  In Montgomery, Alabama, a 7-year-old boy was shot by his own 9-year-old brother while playing with the gun they found in the glove compartment of their dad’s car. The boy died, even though this happened in a hospital parking lot.

66.  In 1994, toy guns were reportedly used in 329 felonies in New York alone.

67.  In 1993, in Las Vegas, Nevada, a 3-year-old girl found her father’s loaded revolver. Thinking it was a toy, she aimed, shot, and killed her pregnant mother who was asleep on the sofa. The mother died on the way to the hospital.

68.  In 1991, a 3-year-old boy, in Northern California, was shot and killed by his grandfather while playing, mistakenly using his real gun, instead of his grandson’s toy gun.

69.  In 1990, according to statistics from the U.S. Bureau of Justice, between January 1985 and September 1989, police departments nationwide reported confiscating 31,650 imitation guns during crime-related incidences.

70.  Statistics from U.S. Bureau of Justice also show that in 1987, over 1400 toy guns were used in crimes in New York City alone. This is a sharp increase (80%) from four years earlier.

71.  In 1987, Leonard Falcon, a 19-year-old boy from Rancho Cucamonga, California, was shot and killed by a San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Deputy, while playing with a laser tag gun, which resembled a real gun.

72.  In 1987, a 12-year-old boy was shot and killed by a police officer in San Francisco, California. His toy gun was mistaken for real gun.

73.  In 1983, a 5-year-old boy was shot and killed at his home, by an Orange County Police Officer because he was holding a toy gun.

 

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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #79 on: February 16, 2011, 05:01:34 PM »
I did i got one from vietnam and one from the US from 3 years ago...

sorry magoo, please find some for me...

Here's the first one I found, happened last year

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/toddler-3-shoots-herself-after-thinking-hangun-was-wii-control/story-e6frf7jo-1225839064502

Even after this article, you don't think something should be done to change toy guns from looking so similar to real guns?

I think both this issue, and cops mistaking toy guns for real guns are both good reasons to make toy guns seem less gun-like and more toy-like

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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #80 on: February 16, 2011, 05:06:11 PM »
Here's the first one I found, happened last year

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/toddler-3-shoots-herself-after-thinking-hangun-was-wii-control/story-e6frf7jo-1225839064502

Even after this article, you don't think something should be done to change toy guns from looking so similar to real guns?

I think both this issue, and cops mistaking toy guns for real guns are both good reasons to make toy guns seem less gun-like and more toy-like
NOPE sorry the parents should be charged with this...why does a 3 year old have access to a real gun?

so you have one incident from last year?

I can produce millions where kids had toy guns and didnt shoot anyone with a real gun mistakenly b/c they thought it was fake...

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« Reply #81 on: February 16, 2011, 05:15:41 PM »
NOPE sorry the parents should be charged with this...why does a 3 year old have access to a real gun?

so you have one incident from last year?

I can produce millions where kids had toy guns and didnt shoot anyone with a real gun mistakenly b/c they thought it was fake...

If that Wii controller was designed differently, that could have prevented that 3 year old girl from dying. Nobody would have cried over wii controllers not resembling real guns. I don't understand your argument. Parents are not perfect. Yes they should be addressed, but saying that parent is responsible doesn't bring back that 3 year old. I think it is sadistic and immoral to sit back and to not only allow something like this to take place again, but to defend one of the most important causes of this. Your argument about numbers is stupid and pointless. "millions" is arbitrary. The whole idea of lets tally up alive and dead and then base our decision on that is nothing short of dangerous. Numbers are arbitrary as I have discussed already. How many more children do you think should die before you change your opinion? Toy guns should not resemble real guns. Toy guns should resemble toy guns, distinctly separate from the concept of real guns. I do not believe a good argument can be made in defense of giving children access to toy guns that resemble real guns.

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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #82 on: February 16, 2011, 05:26:50 PM »
You also step right over the fact that the 3 year old was ABLE TO GET THEIR HANDS ON A REAL GUN!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #84 on: February 16, 2011, 05:32:10 PM »
http://www.google.com/images?q=wii+gun&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIE_en&oi=image_result_group&sa=X
DAMN IT, i deleted my post trying to add my link to a google search...

yea i saw those, too some look realistic some dont...

main focus of that story shouldnt be the wii gun it should be the fact A 3 YEAR OLD WAS ABLE TO GET THEIR HANDS ON A REAL GUN!!!

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« Reply #85 on: February 16, 2011, 05:35:22 PM »
You also step right over the fact that the 3 year old was ABLE TO GET THEIR HANDS ON A REAL GUN!!!!!!!!!!!

That is another part of the problem. Yes that is a part of the problem as well and it needs to be addressed, as well as the issue of toy guns resembling real guns. For example, in number 29 in that list that Blacken posted, the boy that shot said "I thought it was fake". That entails that there are other sides to the issue. Not only the fact the boy got hold of a real gun, but also that the boy thought the real gun was a fake one, which is linked to the reality that toy guns are made to look like real guns, which is completely unnecessary yet produces incidences such as these.

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« Reply #86 on: February 16, 2011, 05:36:29 PM »
from the biological father..."Cheyenne was taken from me and everyone that knew her and those who would have known her simply because someone was irresponsible and there was a lack of supervision."

seems he is blaming the person who let her get a real gun in her hands...

"Cheyenne shot herself in the stomach with the .380 caliber, semi-automatic weapon after finding it lying on a table in the living room."


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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #87 on: February 16, 2011, 05:37:59 PM »
That is another part of the problem. Yes that is a part of the problem as well and it needs to be addressed, as well as the issue of toy guns resembling real guns. For example, in number 29 in that list that Blacken posted, the boy that shot said "I thought it was fake". That entails that there are other sides to the issue. Not only the fact the boy got hold of a real gun, but also that the boy thought the real gun was a fake one, which is linked to the reality that toy guns are made to look like real guns, which is completely unnecessary yet produces incidences such as these.
blacken posted a link to pictures...

there are millions of incidents just like this magoo where kids can tell the difference...


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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #88 on: February 16, 2011, 05:39:04 PM »
FACT SHEET ABOUT TOY GUNS


  Toy weapons are increasingly being used to commit real crimes, and more children are being killed when a toy gun is mistaken for a real gun, or a real gun for a toy.  Consider the following alarming facts about toy guns, crimes, and children/youth being killed: 
 
1.     On May 5, 2008, in Southaven, Mississippi, five elementary school students were suspended for bringing two realistic looking toy guns (pellet guns) to school. The toy guns’ orange safety tips were painted black.
2.     On February 6, 2008, in Okaloosa County, Florida, the Niceville Police Department responded to a drive-by BB gun shooting which caused injury to the eye of a young innocent bystander.

3.     On January 6, 2008, in Belleville, Illinois, a 39-year-old man was shot by police when the man pulled out a gray toy pistol, which looked real, from his waistband.

4.     On October 26, 2007, in San Diego, California, a gun scare caused the lockdown at Juan Diego School. The gun turned out to be a toy gun (Air soft replica of Berretta 92).

5.     On October 5, 2007, in Bakersfield, California, a 49-year-old man, Frank Ramos Sr. was fatally shot and killed by two Bakersfield police officers because he was holding a gun while standing in the street.  The gun turned out to be an imitation toy firearm.

6.     On June 22, 2007, in West Memphis, Arkansas, a 12-year-old boy, De Aunta Farrow, was shot and killed by a Memphis police officer because he was holding a toy gun in his hand, and the police officer said it looked real.

7.     On April 8, 2007, in Mount Vernon, New York, a 13-year-old boy was arrested by the police when he tried to rob a Chinese restaurant, with what police said was something that looked like a 38-caliber hand gun. The gun turned out to be a plastic Airsoft toy gun. The police officer said he was worried that these kids can get shot for nothing.

8.     On March 29, 2007, in Salt Lake City, Utah, four teenagers were arrested by a West Valley Police Officer, for a drive- by shooting, with a toy gun.

9.     On March 22, 2007, in Little Rock, Arkansas, a 12-year-old boy was shot and killed by a police officer.  The child’s silver toy gun was mistaken by the police for a real handgun.

10.  On February 24, 2007, in Brooklyn, New York, Sean ”Light” Anderson, a 27-year-old, caused a real gun fight, when getting into a car with what appeared to be an  AK-47 machine gun.  The cops fired several shots, but miraculously nobody was struck. Turned out, the gun was a fake.  A shocked witness said: “[The cops] running and shooting down the block where there could have been innocent bystanders.”

11.  In February 2007, in New Jersey, a teenager robbed a man for his Cocker Spaniel with an Airsoft gun, which looked like a .45-caliber handgun.  Police are concerned about mistaking the toy gun for the real gun, and these could result in tragedies.

12.  On February 12, 2007, in San Diego, California, Noe Rojas, a 17-year-old teenager, was shot and killed, by an 11 year veteran police officer, for having a toy gun, which resembled a .38 caliber revolver, during a traffic stop.   

13.  On November 26, 2006, in St. Louis, Missouri, police shot and wounded a 13-year-old boy in the hip, leg, and arm because officers said that the boy reached into his waist band, and pointed a toy revolver, which looked authentic, at them.

14.  On November 24, 2006, in Miami, Florida, Jose Varela, a 50-year-old freelance cartoonist, caused an at least two hour standoff at the Miami Harold’s Tribune building for carrying and pointing a realistic looking black plastic toy gun, resembling a semiautomatic weapon at people.  He was later arrested, and jailed.

15.  On July 25, 2006, in Ontario, California, a 15-year-old boy was shot and wounded when he pulled out and pointed, what appeared to be a .44-caliber magnum handgun, at some people.  The gun turned out to be an Airsoft replica toy gun, which shoots rubber or plastic pellets. The toy gun had the orange tip, but the police said that the orange tip was not visible!!

16.  On May 1, 2006, in West Valley City, Utah, a 10-year-old boy, a fourth-grade elementary school student, was suspended and booked into a juvenile detention facility for taking a plastic pellet-firing Airsoft pistol to school, and for shooting at least 13 classmates.

17.  On March 7, 2006, in Newark, New Jersey, a 32-year-old man was fatally shot by the police officers for brandishing a gun that appeared to be a chrome semi-automatic pistol. The man had a history of mental illness, and the gun turned out to be a toy gun purchased from an ice cream man. This was the first police shooting in Newark in 12 years.

18.  On July 7, 2006, in Cleveland, Ohio, a 55-year-old, James Nugent, got shot by a toy BB gun in the lower back by two Ohio State University students/ basketball players.

19.  On February 20, 2006, a Sargent High School freshman got suspended for bringing a pellet-shooting toy gun into school, and shooting a female student in the leg.

20.  On February 11, 2006, in Texas, Round Rock Police Officers had to draw weapons on two different teenagers on two different occasions for carrying toy weapons looking like a 45.  Sgt. Ben Hall of the Round Rock Police Department said, “Had he pulled out a weapon, there is a good chance he would have been shot!”   Round Rock police responded to eight fake gun calls within the past few weeks and there have been several toy guns recently confiscated from students who brought them to school.

a.     Round Rock Police are warning central Texans about dangerous trends they are seeing when it comes to toy guns. “Many times, you can’t tell which gun is real, and which one is a toy. Toy guns can be fatal attractions”, the local news sited. (Feb. 15-2006).

21.  On February 4, 2006, in Salinas, California, a freshman at North Salinas High School, was arrested and suspended indefinitely, for bringing a realistic looking toy gun, resembling a 9 mm, to school.

22.  On January 19, 2006, in Valley Glen, California, a fourth-grader was shot in the chest while at recess at Kittredge Street Elementary School, by a plastic pellet fired by an Airsoft pistol, shot by a 16-year old in an apartment across from school.

23.  On January 13, 2006, in Longwood, Florida, a 15-year-old, Christopher Penley, who was an eighth grader, was shot and killed by police officers for brandishing a pellet gun that closely resembled to a 9 mm at Milwee Middle School. The pellet toy gun had been painted to appear to be a real firearm.

24.  On December 25, 2005, in Los Angeles, California, a police officer shot a 43- year-old woman, Robin Hutching, and wounded her in the thigh, because she pointed a replica handgun at him.

25.  On February 8, 2005, in Olympia, Washington (Thurston County), Daniel Cootsa accidently shot his 19-year-old friend, David Nelson, in the head, mistaking it for a replica pellet gun. The bullet passed through his skull. Although he survived, he lost sight in one eye, and hearing in one ear, among other serious injuries. The gun was given to their friend’s sister for protection!  Daniel was sentenced and jailed later.

26.  In February of 2004, a 14-year-old boy in Lakewood, California, was shot and wounded after Sheriff’s Deputies mistakenly thought an Airsoft  pellet handgun in the boy’s waistband was real.

27.  On January 2, 2003, in Brooklyn, New York, police shot and killed a 17-year-old, Allen Newsome, after he pulled a pellet gun on a detective dressed as a delivery man.

28.  On October 4, 2002, in Carson, California, a sheriff’s deputy shot and wounded a man who had a toy gun that looked real, even though the toy gun had an orange tip, according to a witness.

29.  On August 19, 2002, in New Haven, Connecticut, Edgar Ayala, a 9-year-old boy, was shot and killed by his 10-year-old friend, with a .38-caliber revolver, and a .40-caliber Smith and Wesson, belonging to his 26-year-old stepfather. The boy said he thought the gun was a fake gun. His mother said that after the shooting, his son burst into the bedroom yelling, “Mommy, I didn’t mean it” and” I thought it was fake, Mommy, I am sorry,” over and over again.

30.  In August 2002, in Brooklyn, New York, a man was fatally shot by a police officer, for wielding something which turned out to be a toy hand gun.

31.  In 2002, in New Jersey, 14-year-old twin girls held up and robbed a bank, with an air pellet toy gun.

32.  In 2002, in Whitmore Lake, Michigan, Tommy Davis, a 7-year-old boy, faced three counts of felony assault charges for pointing a toy gun at three other youngsters and threatening to shoot them.

33.  On March 13, 2002, a BB gun shooting at Slidell Junior High School caused five students, ages 13 and 14, to be shot and injured, and two teenage shooters to be booked.

34.  On May 31, 2001, in Georgia, a man was almost shot by North Augusta Police Officers, for pointing a toy pellet gun at motorists from his car. He was arrested and jailed later.

35.  On May 5, 2001, in Huntington Beach, California, an 18-year-old, Antonio Salvidar, was shot and killed by a police officer, while the police mistook his toy rifle for a real gun.

36.  On November 20, 2000, in Charlotte, North Carolina, the Charlotte-Douglas International Airport had to shut down flight operation for two hours when the scanner spotted a gun which turned out to be a young boy’s metal toy gun. More than 100 flights were delayed and many missed their connections for the Thanksgiving holidays.

37.  On November 6, 2000, in Portland, Oregon, a 3-year-old boy shot his 25-year old father, Jonathan Davis Christian, when he mistook his father’s loaded .38-caliber revolver for a toy gun. His father left it on the kitchen table just for a few seconds while he went to go get the key to lock the gun’s trigger.

38.  On October 28, 2000, a Los Angeles Police Officer, responding to a loud Halloween costume party at a mansion in Beverly Hills, California, shot and killed 39-year old Anthony Dwain Lee (“Liar, Liar,” “ER,” and “NYPD Blue”). Lee was inside enjoying the party when he was killed.  The officer that shot him thought he had a .357 magnum semi-automatic, when in fact it was a rubber toy gun.

39.  On May 4, 2000, Santa Rosa police shot and killed a 37-year-old, Eugene Dieterle, in Santa Rosa Junior College when he pointed a black handgun, which turned out to be a plastic toy gun, painted in black.

40.  On April 10, 2000, in Sonoma County, California, Sheriff Deputies fatally shot 31-year-old, Erin MacDonald, at his home. Sheriff Deputies said that he was wielding a gun, which turned out to be a fake toy gun!!

41.  On March 31, 2000, in Brooklyn, New York, two teenagers, 19-year-old Tysheen Bourne, and 17-year-old Andre Fields, were fatally shot by two undercover Narcotics detectives while brandishing toy handguns.

42.  On November 10, 1999, in Monterey Park, California, a 13-year-old boy was shot twice on his upper left arm by an undercover cop because the boy had a toy gun resembling a real gun.

43.  On April 13, 1999, in Hartford, Connecticut, Aquan Salmon, a 14-year-old boy was fatally shot to death by a Hartford Police Officer, in which the police claimed the boy was reaching for a weapon. No gun was found, but the police said they found two gun-shaped cigarette lighters.

44.  On September 6, 1998, in Fort Myers, Florida, a 12-year-old boy, Ronald L. Harris, was arrested for pointing a toy gun at a man while demanding money.

45.  On August 23, 1998, Michael Jones, a 16-year old boy, was shot 17 times and critically wounded by two police officers in Brooklyn, New York while riding a bicycle because he had a water gun that looked like a 9mm MP5 submachine gun.

46.  In August of 1998, an entire terminal of the Los Angeles International Airport was evacuated when a toy gun was mistaken for a real gun. Many flights were affected, and many passengers were delayed.

47.  On August 6, 1998, in Pacoima, California, 23-year old Issac Alvarez was killed by his own gun when a 4-year old neighbor picked up the loaded rifle hidden under a bed and shot him in the back of his head. Police said the boy had stated that he thought it was a toy gun. Police said, “Toy rifles are out there. They play with toy rifles all the time. They are just like real guns.”

48.  On June 1, 1998, in Gardena, California, a 9-year old girl found a loaded handgun mounted underneath a desk in a woman’s office. While playing with it, she shot and killed her 6-year old sister when she aimed it at her chest. She said she believed “it was a toy.” The two sisters were brought to the business by their mother’s boyfriend, who works there.

49.  On April 3, 1998, a third grade boy took and displayed a small loaded antique 70-year-old real gun at Queen’s Elementary School.  The Principal delayed notifying the police because he thought it was a toy gun, and did not think it could have created a real disaster.

50.  On January 9, 1998, in Troy, Michigan (suburb of Detroit), police arrested a cross-dressing bank bobber who pointed, what looked like, a handgun at the bank teller.  It turned out that the gun actually was a toy. He is the probable suspect linked to at least a dozen bank heists in the area.

51.  On January 8, 1998 in Spokane, Washington, Lisa D., a 23-year-old woman, was arrested for robbing five banks for $5,500, with a toy gun.

52.  On December 26, 1997, a father and his two sons, ages twelve and fourteen, were shot several times and injured by their neighbor, while the two brothers were playing in their backyard with the paint ball gun that the younger brother had received as a Christmas present the day before.

53.  Another tragedy involving toy guns also occurred on November 5, 1997, when an explosion of a machine wrapping popping caps for toy guns and play hand grenades claimed the life of four innocent female workers (Juana Martinez Gonzalez, 33, Maria Valenzuela, 39, Gloria Jaramilo, 26) at the Imperial Toy Factory in Downtown Los Angeles.  The explosion also injured about two dozen others and several were hospitalized.

54.  Air guns are considered toys, but they have caused injuries and deaths, especially in boys 10 to 14 years old. A study conducted by researchers at the University of Washington School of Medicine, Seattle, University of Cincinnati School of Medicine, Cincinnati, and Children’s Mercy Hospital, Kansas City, Missouri (published in “Pediatrics,” the Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics, Oct. 1997) reported that of 101 children hospitalized for air gun injuries, three died, fifteen were blinded permanently, twenty five suffered permanent visual loss, and half of those 101 needed surgery.

55.  On June 21, 1997, an entire terminal at Los Angeles International Airport was evacuated, grounding at least 15 flights, when a cigarette lighter, shaped like a pistol, was mistaken for a real gun.

56.  On March 1, 1997, a 6-year-old boy’s toy gun caused the evacuation of the San Jose International Airport, in California. More than 20 flights were affected.

57.  On January 31, 1997, in Long Island, New York, Laurie Leitner, a 26-year-old woman, was shot in the chest and killed by a West Islip Police Officer because the police officer thought the gun that Laurie carried was real; but it turned out to be a toy.

58.  In December 1995, police almost shot at a 10-year-old boy hiding in the bushes pointing a gun at them. The gun turned out to be a toy.

59.  On November 4, 1995, in National City (South of San Diego), California, Johnny Angel Navarrete, an 18-year-old boy, was shot in front of his house after an argument with several youths.  When he pulled a replica gun (a cigarette lighter) from his waistband that looked like a real gun, another youth pulled out his real gun, and shot him thinking the lighter was genuine.  Johnny died two days later.

60.  On Memorial Day, May 29, 1995, in Carson Park, California, Freddy Palacio, a 12-year-old, was shot twice by a Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputy who mistook the $2 toy gun for a .22 caliber pistol.

61.  On Sunday, April 2, 1995, in the City of Torrance, California, 18-year-old Santiago Lopez Garcia was shot to death by the police because he had a cigarette lighter, which resembled a gun in his hand. (Ironically, this was the same day that we were collecting the toy guns, and educating the children about the danger of toy guns and real guns, in a park, only a few miles away).

62.  On April 3, 1995, police almost shot at Robert Alvarez, a 28-year-old man, in East L.A., California, because he had a lighter in the shape of a semiautomatic pistol. He was arrested and charged with suspected brandishing of a firearm “on a public thoroughfare.”

63.  In October of 1994, Nicholas Heyward Jr., a 13-year-old boy and straight-A student of Brooklyn, NY, was shot in the chest and killed by a police officer when he was playing with his toy gun.

64.  Jamiel Johnson, a 16-year old boy, was shot and wounded on the same day, and in the same city as above, for the same reason.

65.  In Montgomery, Alabama, a 7-year-old boy was shot by his own 9-year-old brother while playing with the gun they found in the glove compartment of their dad’s car. The boy died, even though this happened in a hospital parking lot.

66.  In 1994, toy guns were reportedly used in 329 felonies in New York alone.

67.  In 1993, in Las Vegas, Nevada, a 3-year-old girl found her father’s loaded revolver. Thinking it was a toy, she aimed, shot, and killed her pregnant mother who was asleep on the sofa. The mother died on the way to the hospital.

68.  In 1991, a 3-year-old boy, in Northern California, was shot and killed by his grandfather while playing, mistakenly using his real gun, instead of his grandson’s toy gun.

69.  In 1990, according to statistics from the U.S. Bureau of Justice, between January 1985 and September 1989, police departments nationwide reported confiscating 31,650 imitation guns during crime-related incidences.

70.  Statistics from U.S. Bureau of Justice also show that in 1987, over 1400 toy guns were used in crimes in New York City alone. This is a sharp increase (80%) from four years earlier.

71.  In 1987, Leonard Falcon, a 19-year-old boy from Rancho Cucamonga, California, was shot and killed by a San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Deputy, while playing with a laser tag gun, which resembled a real gun.

72.  In 1987, a 12-year-old boy was shot and killed by a police officer in San Francisco, California. His toy gun was mistaken for real gun.

73.  In 1983, a 5-year-old boy was shot and killed at his home, by an Orange County Police Officer because he was holding a toy gun.

 


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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #89 on: February 16, 2011, 05:40:19 PM »
blacken posted a link to pictures...

there are millions of incidents just like this magoo where kids can tell the difference...



I was referring to reply #78 where Blacken posted a link of unnecessary incidences where toy guns were involved in someone being harmed because of their similarity to real guns.

Once again: Millions of incidents without a dead child does not erase the dead child. The dead child is still very important.

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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #90 on: February 16, 2011, 05:40:48 PM »
What about star wars sabers akin to swords. 

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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #91 on: February 16, 2011, 05:43:07 PM »
I was referring to reply #78 where Blacken posted a link of unnecessary incidences where toy guns were involved in someone being harmed because of their similarity to real guns.

Once again: Millions of incidents without a dead child does not erase the dead child. The dead child is still very important.
he just reposted it for us, LOL ok so from 2002?

LOL sorry bro this isnt a problem, the idiots that allow kids to get their hands on guns at a young age are...

a few ppl shouldnt ruin it for everyone else and YES ITS ONLY A FEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

your bringing up incidents from 2002 to validate that it happens alot!!!!!!


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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #92 on: February 16, 2011, 05:50:00 PM »
he just reposted it for us, LOL ok so from 2002?

LOL sorry bro this isnt a problem, the idiots that allow kids to get their hands on guns at a young age are...

a few ppl shouldnt ruin it for everyone else and YES ITS ONLY A FEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

your bringing up incidents from 2002 to validate that it happens alot!!!!!!



I dont understand why you think millions of children need to die before there needs to be a policy change. The article isn't up to date because nobody has updated it, not because there hasn't been any more situations since 2008. What if 100 children died tomorrow because other children mistook the real gun for a fake gun? Would you still say it's not important because "millions" go without getting killed? What about 1,000 children, what about 100,000? Once again, numbers are meaningless. One child dying from now until 2020 because he or she thought a real gun was a fake one because fake ones are made to look like real ones is one child too many. You're exclamation marks aren't helping your argument that not enough children are dead and not enough parents are grieving for you to personally think that maybe toy guns should be made to look like toys.


Please tell me why you think it is so crucial for toy guns to be designed like real guns? Despite clear evidence that sometimes children mistake real ones for fake ones. Please elaborate what you mean when you say "ruin it for everyone else". How is a toy gun looking more like a toy ruining joy or pleasure in children to such a degree that it is worth a few dead children in order to sustain that joy or pleasure.

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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #93 on: February 16, 2011, 05:57:47 PM »
I dont understand why you think millions of children need to die before there needs to be a policy change. The article isn't up to date because nobody has updated it, not because there hasn't been any more situations since 2008. What if 100 children died tomorrow because other children mistook the real gun for a fake gun? Would you still say it's not important because "millions" go without getting killed? What about 1,000 children, what about 100,000? Once again, numbers are meaningless. One child dying from now until 2020 because he or she thought a real gun was a fake one because fake ones are made to look like real ones is one child too many. You're exclamation marks aren't helping your argument that not enough children are dead and not enough parents are grieving for you to personally think that maybe toy guns should be made to look like toys.

Please tell me why you think it is so crucial for toy guns to be designed like real guns? Despite clear evidence that sometimes children mistake real ones for fake ones. Please elaborate what you mean when you say "ruin it for everyone else". How is a toy gun looking more like a toy ruining joy or pleasure in children to such a degree that it is worth a few dead children in order to sustain that joy or pleasure.
I dont think millions need to die, but a handful which is all youve produced isnt sufficient to change the what EVERYONE else does ESPECIALLY when there is a way to prevent those incidents that dont require taking away toy guns...

b/c it adds to the experience...toy cars are made to resemble real cars b/c it adds to the experience...

you would take away all toy guns if you could, isnt that ruining it for everyone?

why should ppl who prefer their toy guns to resemble real guns in design and not color have to suffer b/c idiots let 3 year olds play with real guns?

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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #94 on: February 16, 2011, 06:05:05 PM »
I dont think millions need to die, but a handful which is all youve produced isnt sufficient to change the what EVERYONE else does ESPECIALLY when there is a way to prevent those incidents that dont require taking away toy guns...

b/c it adds to the experience...toy cars are made to resemble real cars b/c it adds to the experience...

you would take away all toy guns if you could, isnt that ruining it for everyone?

why should ppl who prefer their toy guns to resemble real guns in design and not color have to suffer b/c idiots let 3 year olds play with real guns?

Yes a handful is sufficient to change. Every life deserves to live, despite what other lives do. And the policy change wont affect "everyone", it will affect children that probably won't have any less fun with toyish guns than they would with real looking guns. The way that you advocate preventing those deaths (making parents better parents) is a great idea but I think we can both agree it probably won't work to the degree that is needed. I disagree that the "experience" of pretending to shoot people with a real gun overrides the possible dangers associated with that experience. It is not ruining it for everyone because children can still have just as much fun with toyish guns. In response to your last line, I don't think any children will tell me that they prefer real looking guns to fake looking guns. I think they'll have fun with whatever is available.

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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #95 on: February 16, 2011, 06:05:25 PM »
You also step right over the fact that the 3 year old was ABLE TO GET THEIR HANDS ON A REAL GUN!!!!!!!!!!!

Indeed - this whole argument is ludicrous.

Kid gets hold of real gun & shoots someone.

Is the problem resolved by:

a) Banning toy guns
or
b) Not leaving real guns lying around where kids can get them

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« Reply #96 on: February 16, 2011, 06:09:09 PM »
Yes a handful is sufficient to change. Every life deserves to live, despite what other lives do. And the policy change wont affect "everyone", it will affect children that probably won't have any less fun with toyish guns than they would with real looking guns. The way that you advocate preventing those deaths (making parents better parents) is a great idea but I think we can both agree it probably won't work to the degree that is needed. I disagree that the "experience" of pretending to shoot people with a real gun overrides the possible dangers associated with that experience. It is not ruining it for everyone because children can still have just as much fun with toyish guns. In response to your last line, I don't think any children will tell me that they prefer real looking guns to fake looking guns. I think they'll have fun with whatever is available.
sorry no, a HANDFUL and again THATS ALL YOU HAVE isnt sufficient enough to change what EVERYONE else does...

LOL are you serious??? lol kids certainly prefer realistic looking toys as opposed to fantasy looking ones!!!

fuking really??? why do you think big wheels look like hummers and corvettes and not some fantasy concept car? LOL

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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #97 on: February 16, 2011, 06:09:55 PM »
Indeed - this whole argument is ludicrous.

Kid gets hold of real gun & shoots someone.

Is the problem resolved by:

a) Banning toy guns
or
b) Not leaving real guns lying around where kids can get them

Both. A can be enforced. B is partly left up to chance (since most Americans do in fact own guns). But you didn't state the full problem. It isn't just that they got hold of a real gun, it's that they got hold of a real gun with the prior experience of being exposed to similar looking and designed toy guns.

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Re: Hawaii considers banning toy gun sales to kids
« Reply #98 on: February 16, 2011, 06:12:33 PM »
Both. A can be enforced. B is partly left up to chance (since most Americans do in fact own guns). But you didn't state the full problem. It isn't just that they got hold of a real gun, it's that they got hold of a real gun with the prior experience of being exposed to similar looking and designed toy guns.
B is very easily enforced you punish the parents and they will not let it happen...

also magoo there will still be deaths involving kids that get there hands on real guns even if there were never any fake guns...

how do you deal with that?

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« Reply #99 on: February 16, 2011, 06:13:03 PM »
Reality is that there will always be acvcidents, whether its drownings, stabbings, strangulations, car aCcidents, playground accidents, football accidents, and freak accidents. 

Focusing solely on toy guns ignores this reality.