Author Topic: Bench press contests (Read 7768 times)

wes · « **Reply #50 on:** February 21, 2011, 03:18:50 PM »

A 114 pound powerlifter who squats 455 and benches 315,still only weighs 114 pounds!!!!

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #51 on:** February 21, 2011, 03:23:46 PM »

I remember seeing Kara Bohegian at a bench contest put up 402 @ 148. Granted it was shirted but still.

oldtimer1 · « **Reply #52 on:** February 21, 2011, 04:02:41 PM »

Quote from: dj181 on February 21, 2011, 03:15:08 PM

If one can make a bigger arch, then that will cut down the vertical distance that the bar must be moved in a bp, therefore allowing one to lift greater poundages without necessarily increasing their actual strength. Less distance that the bar must be pressed equals greater the weight that can be pressed.

What you said is true. The further the weight is pushed the more work it takes. What I mean by that is that I'm a fairly skinny guy at 5'8" 175. I have always noticed that big fat guys or just big guys in general don't have to push the weight that far off their chest. I noticed that on a hammer strength bench machine where every one has the same starting point I was able to out "bench" the big benchers cause now the field was a little more level.

There is a big difference between two guys benching 300lbs when one pushes it 24 " to lock out and another is pushing it 15 inches from chest to lockout.

I hate what powerlifting has become with the lifitng suits and incredible high squats. There are guys that are squatting 800lbs with a suit and a shallow squat that couldn't jump up and touch a basketball rim because their legs aren't really that strong.

haider · « **Reply #53 on:** February 21, 2011, 04:06:17 PM »

Quote from: wes on February 21, 2011, 03:18:50 PM

A 114 pound powerlifter who squats 455 and benches 315,still only weighs 114 pounds!!!!

brutal range of motion he must have. are we talkin about that one famous midget who competes in PL?

Jadeveon Clowney · « **Reply #54 on:** February 21, 2011, 04:09:16 PM »

Quote from: haider on February 21, 2011, 04:06:17 PM

brutal range of motion he must have. are we talkin about that one famous midget who competes in PL?

The Coach does not compete in PL.

haider · « **Reply #55 on:** February 21, 2011, 04:10:50 PM »

Quote from: Jadeveon Clowney on February 21, 2011, 04:09:16 PM

The Coach does not compete in PL.

tbombz · « **Reply #56 on:** February 21, 2011, 04:17:48 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on February 21, 2011, 02:52:18 PM

Yeah these discussion always get muddled because people are discussing different things and keep misunderstanding eachother.

Anyway, big bodybuilders are very strong and very powerful, a lot of times muscularly stronger and even more powerful than top powerlifters. It's just that powerlifting, moving a weight from A to B, involves a lot more than muscular strength and power. It's angles, it's structure, it's technique, it's attitude.

But on a very basic level size = strength.

no these discussions always get muddled because idiots who dont know shit about getting big chime in with bullshit about how "weight doesnt matter", "the muscle cant tell how much weight its lifting, just when it fails", "the key to getting big is hard work to failure" blah blah blah blah blah

NO

and we must come to a solid agreement on this so we can start spreading the truth ont his board and others... like gh15was at first confronted with so many detractors untill finally everyone saw the truth... we must do the same for training. yes, drugs are absolutely essential, yes some guys with insane genetics and lots of durgs can get huge by pumping their muscles, BUT anyone who is big is strong, and you have to be strong before you can be big, and thus the way to get big (if your not a guy with insane genetics and a ton of gear) is to POWERLIFT with bodybuilding form untill youve got beastly strength, then you can work on adding reps and sets.

dyslexic · « **Reply #57 on:** February 21, 2011, 04:43:54 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on February 21, 2011, 04:17:48 PM

no these discussions always get muddled because idiots who dont know shit about getting big chime in with bullshit about how "weight doesnt matter", "the muscle cant tell how much weight its lifting, just when it fails", "the key to getting big is hard work to failure" blah blah blah blah blah

NO

and we must come to a solid agreement on this so we can start spreading the truth ont his board and others... like gh15was at first confronted with so many detractors untill finally everyone saw the truth... we must do the same for training. yes, drugs are absolutely essential, yes some guys with insane genetics and lots of durgs can get huge by pumping their muscles, BUT anyone who is big is strong, and you have to be strong before you can be big, and thus the way to get big (if your not a guy with insane genetics and a ton of gear) is to POWERLIFT with bodybuilding form untill youve got beastly strength, then you can work on adding reps and sets.

It's kinda like arm wrestling...

I was at a bench-press-your-weight-for -reps contest with MIke Matarazzo years ago. It was never the "big" guys who won. IT was always someone who looked like he barely worked out.

tbombz · « **Reply #58 on:** February 21, 2011, 04:46:07 PM »

Quote from: dyslexic on February 21, 2011, 04:43:54 PM

It's kinda like arm wrestling...

I was at a bench-press-your-weight-for -reps contest with MIke Matarazzo years ago. It was never the "big" guys who won. IT was always someone who looked like he barely worked out.

yes, we all know theres alot of small guys out there who are strong. guess what? that proves nothing! if they want to get bigger, they have to get stronger.

Hulkotron · « **Reply #59 on:** February 21, 2011, 04:46:52 PM »

When you are talking about power lifting there is also a strong neural component (recruiting all motor units, firing them all at max rates, antagonistic muscle activity) that comes with heavy training and also helps explain why some powerlifters aren't as big as some bodybuilders yet are much "stronger" (i.e. have bigger one-rep maxes). The size of a muscle defines its maximum isometric force capacity, but not how much force it actually generates. That is up to the nervous system (and a couple other things).

This is also why newbie lifters get stronger every workout even though they aren't getting any bigger. The nervous system adapts much faster than the muscular system.

Bodybuilders also pump all sorts of oils and fluids into their muscles so there's that too.

chaos · « **Reply #60 on:** February 21, 2011, 05:23:06 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on February 21, 2011, 04:17:48 PM

no these discussions always get muddled because idiots who dont know shit about getting big chime in with bullshit

Says the guy that juiced for years to break the 200# barrier.

Fallsview · « **Reply #61 on:** February 21, 2011, 05:25:06 PM »

Quote from: chaos on February 21, 2011, 05:23:06 PM

Says the guy that juiced for years to break the 200# barrier.

Let's keep this positive okay. How is Chaos this afternoon/evening?

BE/STAY/ACT POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tbombz · « **Reply #62 on:** February 21, 2011, 05:27:19 PM »

Quote from: chaos on February 21, 2011, 05:23:06 PM

Says the guy that juiced for years to break the 200# barrier.

i was a leanish 185 before juicing, and have hovered between 220-250 since being on juice.

chaos · « **Reply #63 on:** February 21, 2011, 05:37:45 PM »

Quote from: Fallsview on February 21, 2011, 05:25:06 PM

Let's keep this positive okay. How is Chaos this afternoon/evening?

BE/STAY/ACT POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Average. How are you tonight?

Quote from: tbombz on February 21, 2011, 05:27:19 PM

i was a leanish 185 before juicing, and have hovered between 220-250 since being on juice.

Then my statement was correct.....

tbombz · « **Reply #64 on:** February 21, 2011, 06:19:47 PM »

Quote from: chaos on February 21, 2011, 05:37:45 PM

Average. How are you tonight?

Then my statement was correct.....

you said it took years of juice to break 200. incorrect.

if you were my height youd be 170, and your fat

chaos · « **Reply #65 on:** February 21, 2011, 06:30:08 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on February 21, 2011, 06:19:47 PM

you said it took years of juice to break 200. incorrect.

if you were my height youd be 170, and your fat

LMFAO!! If I was your height? LOL, I'd have to shrink several inches.........and I haven't been 170 since 9th grade............LOL @ uppity midgets getting their gyno all ruffled over some juice remarks!!!

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #66 on:** February 21, 2011, 06:43:43 PM »

Quote from: chaos on February 21, 2011, 06:30:08 PM

LMFAO!! If I was your height? LOL, I'd have to shrink several inches.........and I haven't been 170 since 9th grade............LOL @ uppity midgets getting their gyno all ruffled over some juice remarks!!!

ROTFLMAO...hahahahahahah!

tbombz · « **Reply #67 on:** February 21, 2011, 06:44:49 PM »

Quote from: chaos on February 21, 2011, 06:30:08 PM

LMFAO!! If I was your height? LOL, I'd have to shrink several inches.........and I haven't been 170 since 9th grade............LOL @ uppity midgets getting their gyno all ruffled over some juice remarks!!!

exactly, you saying anyting about braking 200lbs is retarded, because at your height youd have to be 4% bodyfat to have even a remotely noticeable amount of muscle at 200lbs. for those of us who arent ogres, 200lbs at a decent bodyfat is actually a good, thick weight. notice you dont deny youd be 170 at my height.

(btw in 9th grade i was 230

)

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #68 on:** February 21, 2011, 06:45:08 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on February 21, 2011, 04:17:48 PM

no these discussions always get muddled because idiots who dont know shit about getting big chime in with bullshit about how "weight doesnt matter", "the muscle cant tell how much weight its lifting, just when it fails", "the key to getting big is hard work to failure" blah blah blah blah blah

NO

and we must come to a solid agreement on this so we can start spreading the truth ont his board and others... like gh15was at first confronted with so many detractors untill finally everyone saw the truth... we must do the same for training. yes, drugs are absolutely essential, yes some guys with insane genetics and lots of durgs can get huge by pumping their muscles, BUT anyone who is big is strong, and you have to be strong before you can be big, and thus the way to get big (if your not a guy with insane genetics and a ton of gear) is to POWERLIFT with bodybuilding form untill youve got beastly strength, then you can work on adding reps and sets.

Seriously dude....don't even go there.

Bam-bam · « **Reply #69 on:** February 21, 2011, 06:48:37 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on February 21, 2011, 05:27:19 PM

i was a leanish 185 before juicing, and have hovered between 220-250 since being on juice.

lol someone please post that pic of the fatso riding the bicycle!!

chaos · « **Reply #70 on:** February 21, 2011, 06:58:00 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on February 21, 2011, 06:44:49 PM

exactly, you saying anyting about braking 200lbs is retarded, because at your height youd have to be 4% bodyfat to have even a remotely noticeable amount of muscle at 200lbs. for those of us who arent ogres, 200lbs at a decent bodyfat is actually a good, thick weight. notice you dont deny youd be 170 at my height. (btw in 9th grade i was 230 )

Honestly, at my leanest I fluctuated between 217-220 lbs......I was obsessed with bbing and I was extremely lean......at that weight I looked like a fucking stick, big fuckin deal, I had abs...whoopty doo!!! So at 200lbs, I looked like I was dying......I have huge joints so it takes more mass to fill up the space.....if that makes sense.....my wrists are 8 1/2".

tbombz · « **Reply #71 on:** February 21, 2011, 07:03:38 PM »

Quote from: Bam-bam on February 21, 2011, 06:48:37 PM

lol someone please post that pic of the fatso riding the bicycle!!

lol

heres you

heres me

Bam-bam · « **Reply #72 on:** February 21, 2011, 07:11:49 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on February 21, 2011, 07:03:38 PM

lol

heres you

heres me

at zero juice, and thats a waist you could only dream about you flaming obese faggotsexual

bigbadwolfe · « **Reply #73 on:** February 21, 2011, 07:23:58 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on February 21, 2011, 02:42:51 PM

Any guy benching 405 for 20 is plenty powerful and strong as all hell. Maybe his transfer to singles, percentage-wise, isn't as impressive as a top powerlifters but there's lots of power there, it's not just muscular endurance. That's if the story is even true, which I doubt.
And lots of powerlifters do the "repetition method" regularly.

Chicherillo can count himself among powerlifting royalty.

Van both of those guys are World Record holders in the bench press. The first one Jeremy Hoornstra is one of the best all time Raw benchers ever. Has a high 600 raw bench and broke a 20 some year old record back in 06 at the New England Record Breakers meets. He did 635 in the 242 class in a tee shirt.

The other guy Ryan Kennelly is the Biggest all time shirted bencher in the world with a 1080 shirted bench in contest and a 675 bench in a tee shirt in a contest. Both very very strong guys.

chaos · « **Reply #74 on:** February 21, 2011, 07:26:48 PM »

Quote from: bigbadwolfe on February 21, 2011, 07:23:58 PM

Van both of those guys are World Record holders in the bench press. The first one Jeremy Hoornstra is one of the best all time Raw benchers ever. Has a high 600 raw bench and broke a 20 some year old record back in 06 at the New England Record Breakers meets. He did 635 in the 242 class in a tee shirt.

The other guy Ryan Kennelly is the Biggest all time shirted bencher in the world with a 1080 shirted bench in contest and a 675 bench in a tee shirt in a contest. Both very very strong guys.

I think you need to go back and read the thread........he makes the statement that Chick had claimed to bench 405X20 and he was comparing him to the best benchers in the world.