How often should I train abs? (NATURAL)

[cephissus]

I've done every ab form of "ab training" imaginable.  Mine grew really well, and I stopped training them years ago.  I mean once a week I'll do some incline reverse crunches, decline crunches, and bang out a few sets on some weighted ab machine, but I don't think it's really necessary.

Honestly I don't know what to tell you, but I wouldn't worry too much about training them.  If you can do a set of fifty jacknives and max out a weighted crunch machine, I don't think you're going to get much more out of your abs doing ab specific workouts.

I tend to agree with coach though -- I think crunching motions are mostly good for spinal degeneration and high blood pressure.

Of course I still do them.

It's funny how people will do a billion specific exercises for their abs but none for the spinal erectors, when they perform pretty much analogous roles.

[DK II]

whenever your not sore

im natural now cause I only take shit that occurs in your body naturally

test t3 gh

im GBnatural like all you fckwits try and portray yourself as on a board that facilitates bodybuidling

bodybuilding = here

'natural' twinks = gucci ads and mens health forum

 

[gh15]

training abs?? lol

abs are trained in the kitchen,,you want abs naturally you eat less garbage or eat more garbage and pray you have high natural gh in body and you will knwo it very well because the whores wil be all over you ages 16-22,,

if hormonized...gh and all you can eat buffet will get your abs showing nicely lol,, 9% easily! after 3 months of constant use of gh with ANY TYPE OF DIET YOU CHOOSE,,you heard this right ,,you will see your abs at 9% or under on any type of diet of your choice if you been on legit gh at 5 iu or more for 3 months

any type of diet you chose still doesnt = drinking oil all day ,,it mean restaurant burger,,sushi,,jamaican,,german,,etc wont matter you will be single digit within 3 months of gh usage unles you started at 25-30% ,,most fellas who start gh are between 10-15% and go into single digits effortless within 3 months on the gh

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[devilsmile]

standing stance ab wheel = only way to go

the other guy using rubber robe to give extra presure

that's how you train abs... not these fancy pancy elements portrayed here; "How can I train abs without training them"... well you can't...

[gh15]

lol the other guy using rubber robe to give extra presure

that's how you train abs... not these fancy pancy elements portrayed here; "How can I train abs without training them"... well you can't...

you dont trsain abs when experienced bodybuild,,many exercise touch them indirectly and you just dont train them on regular basis and usually not at all,,it is lower bodyfat that will show abs,,again sometime you are single digit and still dont see abdominal clear because you are water fountain see mr 13 place flex show dan hell,,but! abs are not traind via exercise ,,exercise only will grow your midsection when you want to keep it tight and appear small especially with all the hormones,,you train abs in kitchen and the hormones do the rest

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[gh15]

ofcourse i mention dan hell as joke ,,he has lovely abdominal ,,he is consistantly around 6-7% he just not good in dialing in ,,just dont bombard me with pm that i insult someone as usual

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[devilsmile]

you dont trsain abs when experienced bodybuild,,many exercise touch them indirectly and you just dont train them on regular basis and usually not at all,,it is lower bodyfat that will show abs,,again sometime you are single digit and still dont see abdominal clear because you are water fountain see mr 13 place flex show dan hell,,but! abs are not traind via exercise ,,exercise only will grow your midsection when you want to keep it tight and appear small especially with all the hormones,,you train abs in kitchen and the hormones do the rest

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if you want hard/strong midsection you need to train abs aswell.

olympic weightlifters all train abs very hard and they are 100000x stronger than any bodybuilder.


Abs get visible easyer when you train them VERY hard, but ofcourse diet is the number one factory to get them visible. I was talkigng about getting them strong.

[g101]

you dont trsain abs when experienced bodybuild,,many exercise touch them indirectly and you just dont train them on regular basis and usually not at all,,it is lower bodyfat that will show abs,,again sometime you are single digit and still dont see abdominal clear because you are water fountain see mr 13 place flex show dan hell,,but! abs are not traind via exercise ,,exercise only will grow your midsection when you want to keep it tight and appear small especially with all the hormones,,you train abs in kitchen and the hormones do the rest

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Which exercises train abs indirectly

Also are you saying training abs is useless 

[gh15]

Which exercises train abs indirectly

Also are you saying training abs is useless  

nothing is usless,,drinking milk 4% is also not usless but i just dont do it,,some do some dont,,what i say is that for advance bodybuild the ab training is usless,,we already have abs straining from anything we do any exercise involving chest back legs all you work your abs every squiz your abs work my friend,,the thing with abs is that if you want them to show you need to have low body fat and even then YOU NEED TO HAVE LOWER WATER RETENTION !! how many time you see fella liek groink from this board ,,the fella has muscle from here to china and back big fella hard toned yet abs dont show,,line not show,,he is not high bodyfat,,around 12% why nto show then? they not show because the water retention ! ! ! notice on his midsection he has hard and solid midsection but no abs,,,its because the water retention there is high.....


so not everyone with sub 12% can see abs ,,,the fellas with high water retention will only see them clear at true 7-8% ,,,soem fellas walk around 10% and do not see abs ...they see lines shape but nothing with deep cuts...why? again water retention ,,those are the fellas who need to get down to 7-8% to see the abs clearly

so again ,,it is in the kitchen and in the drug department where you design your abs ...not in the gym,,yes you can get your midsection stronger,,but for the bodybuildr there arre better options out there especially the advance one ,,the begginer yes but the advance ones rarly touch abs

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[DK II]

Which exercises train abs indirectly

Also are you saying training abs is useless 

squats and deadlifts are the best abs exercises. 

[Meso_z]

if you want hard/strong midsection you need to train abs aswell.

olympic weightlifters all train abs very hard and they are 100000x stronger than any bodybuilder.


Abs get visible easyer when you train them VERY hard, but ofcourse diet is the number one factory to get them visible. I was talkigng about getting them strong.

I agree...if you want deep abs...no kitchen will help you, you must train them...
For example me...even at low bf% my abs are definately "not cool"...why? because i didnt train them all these years!
I started training them this year religiously...and they have definately thickened up.

[Meso_z]

squats and deadlifts are the best abs exercises. 

especially front squats. 

[DK II]

especially front squats. 

true, i love front squats. 

[Meso_z]

true, i love front squats.  

Have you tried "box squats" in this piece of "equipment"?



Its Bay Likeyyyy!!!  


 

[Meso_z]

true, i love front squats. 

Now seriously, at my strongest i used to do 160kgs ~ 352 pounds front squats for reps and by the end of the set i would feel my abs were tight..

[devilsmile]

Now seriously, at my strongest i used to do 160kgs ~ 352 pounds front squats for reps and by the end of the set i would feel my abs were tight..

how much can you do now days?

[dyslexic]

Do some research and find out what Vince Gironda had to say about ab training.

[DK II]

Do some research and find out what Vince Gironda had to say about ab training.

LOL!!!!

Or wait until TA copy-pastes a lengthy article about ab training on getbig. 

[Meso_z]

how much can you do now days?

well this was the past summer...now i do 100 kilos for the same reps (4-6), offcycle.

[gh15]

I agree...if you want deep abs...no kitchen will help you, you must train them...
For example me...even at low bf% my abs are definately "not cool"...why? because i didnt train them all these years!
I started training them this year religiously...and they have definately thickened up.

wrong again,,

notice what you see happen to our midsecion when we go on growth hormone,,all together now pupils....it start seperating and growing apart,,you know that space between the abdominals the median line is somewhere in the middle and then from both side of it there is space....very similar to the space in ones front teeth that you see on many individuals....

this space is how your body respond to high doses of growth hormone,,legit growth hormone,,

what create the big developed skin tight abs is GROWTH HORMONE and the consistant usage of ANABOLICS,, the abs then grow like any other part of the body and seperate ..... the skin tighten aroudn them and they push out ....it happen into 6th month of gh usage at any dosages as long as legit gh ,,and it happen drasticaly when adding insulin to the gh at high doses where the abs start prutruding and go through the skin no matter how much you worked or didnt work them ,,the abs grow like any other muscle and thats what create this deepness,,

we are long pass the time when the bodybuilder set in gym and did 500 crunches,,,long long past this time


now day what create big developed abdominals  is the gh ,,the steroid and then the insulin that is added ,,all that along with prep diet will take your abs and shoot them into a new level due to lower and lower bodyfat  that has nothing to do with diet directly as i said 100 time before due to hgh but! but! less water retention that has  LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTS TO DO WITH diet,,

bodybuilder mainly diet to get rid of 3% bodyfat and  water due to water retention ,,the abs will be there no matter what moment body fat us low enough and more importently they will be there even at 10% if! water retention is not very high ,, at 8-9% everyone start seeing abs pretty clear even if water rention and 7% is where you see the tunel starting to show,,from then on is mainly water manipulation and little bit of fat

so thats that

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[Meso_z]

Do some research and find out what Vince Gironda had to say about ab training.

can you post his ideas? Im a bit lazy to search.

[devilsmile]

well this was the past summer...now i do 100 kilos for the same reps (4-6), offcycle.

that's all? I was thinking you would still be bale to do with 130kg....

even I can handle that weight in front squats.

[#1 Klaus fan]

I know that I need ab isolation exercises. Front squats didn't make my abs stronger, but planks did. I noticed that 3 sets of easy weighted planks activated my abs more than 10 heavy front squat sets did. I think everyone who wants to have a good front squat (not just mediocre, I mean really good) should try different ab exercises because you'll never know.
 
Ab wheel didn't work for the gym strength like the plank did, but it is the best exercise I have tried for hypertrophy.

[Van_Bilderass]

I think everyone who wants to have a good front squat (not just mediocre, I mean really good) should try different ab exercises because you'll never know.
 

You want a big squat? Try to stretch out your stomach as much as possible. Get the circumference as big as possible. Try to get as much visceral fat as possible. Worked for me! 

Lots of sugar.

Lots of solid bloating food.

Gallon of milk a day.

 

[Parker]

I know that I need ab isolation exercises. Front squats didn't make my abs stronger, but planks did. I noticed that 3 sets of easy weighted planks activated my abs more than 10 heavy front squat sets did. I think everyone who wants to have a good front squat (not just mediocre, I mean really good) should try different ab exercises because you'll never know.
 
Ab wheel didn't work for the gym strength like the plank did, but it is the best exercise I have tried for hypertrophy.

These isolate a whole lot...