Imagine there is no heaven(an atheist manifesto)

[theonlyone]

The atheist just basically spends his life "pretending" there is no God, until it is convenient to change his mind.

 Good said

[mahg]

Mahg knows the truth.

The truth is none of us knows the truth and we're all making up theories and suppositions.

Atheists pretend they know there is no God, religious people pretend they know there is a God.

We just dont know. It's that simple.

SO ENOUGH OF THE BULLSHIT THEORIES ABOUT ATHEISM OR RELIGIONISM. ITS ALL BS.  

Of course when good things happen or when I want something I pray to an imaginary God, but when bad things happen I say God doesnt exist. The truth is I dont know. Whatever is convenient at the time. What usually ends up happening is 50-50, half the time I get what I want, half the time I dont.

So its unprovable EITHER way if God or a supreme being exists or if we were just some amoeba that created itself and mutated and evolved into everything that is.

Its that simple kids.  

[mahg]

It's like if a girl tells a police officer that you slapped her ass.

There's no evidence that you slapped her ass.

It's basically her word against yours.

So what's the truth?

The truth is the police officer doesnt know.

It couldve happened. Or not.

Same analogy. Except in this case, the ass slap is God, the girl is the clergy, and you are the police officer.

Its so simple u silly fuks. 

[theonlyone]

Mahg knows the truth.

The truth is none of us knows the truth and we're all making up theories and suppositions.

Atheists pretend they know there is no God, religious people pretend they know there is a God.

We just dont know. It's that simple.

SO ENOUGH OF THE BULLSHIT THEORIES ABOUT ATHEISM OR RELIGIONISM. ITS ALL BS.  

Of course when good things happen or when I want something I pray to an imaginary God, but when bad things happen I say God doesnt exist. The truth is I dont know. Whatever is convenient at the time. What usually ends up happening is 50-50, half the time I get what I want, half the time I dont.

So its unprovable EITHER way if God or a supreme being exists or if we were just some amoeba that created itself and mutated and evolved into everything that is.

Its that simple kids.  

 You don't know and say that no body knows! What's the use of you if you don't know??? If god didn't exist you wouldn't have been talking about him. Words used not for nothing...

[theonlyone]

It's like if a girl tells a police officer that you slapped her ass.

There's no evidence that you slapped her ass.

It's basically her word against yours.

So what's the truth?

The truth is the police officer doesnt know.

It couldve happened. Or not.

Same analogy. Except in this case, the ass slap is God, the girl is the clergy, and you are the police officer.

Its so simple u silly fuks. 

 If you say there is no God, there is no evidence you have sold your soul to the devil... The more you talk the more you get twisted and winded

[freespirit]

If you create something, like a painting, you have thought about it first. Then who created the universe? I don't believe it's just a coincidence.

[theonlyone]

If you create something, like a painting, you have thought about it first. Then who created the universe? I don't believe it's just a coincidence.

 Millions or billions the other universes as well as the modern science says!

[freespirit]

Millions or billions the other universes as well as the modern science says!

Modern science is not always based on facts.

[mahg]

You don't know and say that no body knows! What's the use of you if you don't know??? If god didn't exist you wouldn't have been talking about him. Words used not for nothing...

Thats because it was made up by someone. If what you say is true, if I told u I saw a chick and she mutated into a horse after fucking a dog, and you tell everyone there's some crazy bitch who fucked a dog and became a horse, does it make it true? After all words are used not for nothing right? Analogise, and you will see how ridiculous u sound.

Religion was made up for money control power, and for oppressed masses to stay happy and content in their misery without revolting believing something better is out there for them and they should be happy little fools with their peanut dinner while the kings ate some prime ribs and good pussy.

Atheism was made up by people who think they know better, atheists are probably somewhat more intelligent than religionists, and they use life experiences to "prove" there is no God, even though they really dont know the REAL truth and are just making up theories and suppositions.

The truth is Agnosticism. The truth is unprovable.

Am I somewhat scared that I dont know where I'm going when I die? Yes. But I take a little bit of comfort knowing we're all going to go thru the same thing so it cant be that bad??  

But who knows really. What I do know is none of us really knows.

[Spike]

energy is neither created nor destroyed



what is a 'spirit'? energy? then we go somewhere

[theonlyone]

Religion was made up for money control power, and for oppressed masses to stay happy and content in their misery

 Could have picked up different phrases from the post of yours to question you, that's random! Who exactly did create a religion? Name? Place?

[mahg]

energy is neither created nor destroyed



what is a 'spirit'? energy? then we go somewhere

We don't know that for a fact either. What is a spirit? Does it even exist? A "soul"? We can't see it in any human invented machine as yet, so we cant know for certain it exists. We just dont know anything and its scary as fuk. I guess religion makes people feel better inside thinking they have the answers and all will be well, but my brain is just too smart to just accept the bullshit that the sheep do. Sometimes I really wish I could just accept this guy named God and his son Mr J. Christ, but my mind keeps resisting cuz its far more powerful than most idiots.

Oh, intelligence can be a curse sometimes.  

[roccoginge]

The smartest people are the ones who pretend to believe in religion, mix with religious people, then rip them off for all they are worth.

They are called the clergy.

lol, but sad!

[theonlyone]

We don't know that for a fact either. What is a spirit? Does it even exist? A "soul"? We can't see it in any human invented machine as yet, so we cant know for certain it exists. We just dont know anything and its scary as fuk. I guess religion makes people feel better inside thinking they have the answers and all will be well, but my brain is just too smart to just accept the bullshit that the sheep do. Sometimes I really wish I could just accept this guy named God and his son Mr J. Christ, but my mind keeps resisting cuz its far more powerful than most idiots.

Oh, intelligence can be a curse sometimes.  

 I quite contend with you that we don't know nothing but it's a lack of spirit to say such. It's only the scientists say they know something for public approval or something

[mahg]

Could have picked up different phrases from the post of yours to question you, that's random! Who exactly did create a religion? Name? Place?

I wasnt born 2011 years ago. How would I know? They all died off and probably 40 generations since, assuming average life expectancy of 50 the past 2,000 years. Besides, the moment words get passed down it all changes due to different interpretations.

All I know is theres only 1 truth. Like the sky is BLUE, the sun is YELLOW and my balls are BROWN. So if there is a God how come some call him Senior J. Christ, husband of the beautiful Virgin Maria or Mary for short, some call him Allah or Big Al but those were his good friends who knew him on first name basis, and there's 20 other variations. Whats his name? And why is it a guy? Why cant God be a girl? Half of the world is woman. Is he a hermaphrodite and made man and woman in his own image? I mean I'm not trying to be rude, so God if u do exist please dont take it personally and punish me, I'm just a curious boy.  

Sure hope the hermaphrodite if he/she/it exists has a good sense of humor, and understands I'm just messing with him/her/it in good nature or I'm in trouble.  

[theonlyone]

I wasnt born 2011 years ago. How would I know? They all died off and probably 40 generations since, assuming average life expectancy of 50 the past 2,000 years. Besides, the moment words get passed down it all changes due to different interpretations.

All I know is theres only 1 truth. Like the sky is BLUE, the sun is YELLOW and my balls are BROWN. So if there is a God how come some call him Senior J. Christ, husband of the beautiful Virgin Maria or Mary for short, some call him Allah or Big Al but those were his good friends who knew him on first name basis, and there's 20 other variations. Whats his name? And why is it a guy? Why cant God be a girl? Half of the world is woman. Is he a hermaphrodite and made man and woman in his own image? I mean I'm not trying to be rude, so God if u do exist please dont take it personally and punish me, I'm just a curious boy.  

Sure hope the hermaphrodite if he/she/it exists has a good sense of humor, or I'm in trouble.  

 I'm not sure as am drunk but the guy who lived 2011 years ago didn't create anything but was a perfect example! The human beings or humanity didn't ever create anything that would out value the image of Jesus! Right?

[#1 Klaus fan]

If you create something, like a painting, you have thought about it first. Then who created the universe? I don't believe it's just a coincidence.

Allah MUST HAVE created the universe. Or was it Thor. No, it was the Incredible Hulk...

[mahg]

I'm not sure as am drunk but the guy who lived 2011 years ago didn't create anything but was a perfect example! The human beings or humanity didn't ever create anything that would out value the image of Jesus! Right?

Well, it all depends on who u talk to. To Muslims the image of Mohammad and Allah outvalue Jesus. To Hindus of which I'm a product of, the images of the 100 Gods outvalue Jesus. My grandmother who raised me is an extremely religious person, prays for hours a day, but in her later years when her husband passed away her asshole sons, 1 a bigger loser than the next, stole all her money and jewelry those pieces of shit and shes pretty miserable now. I'm sure theres similar stories of Christians and Muslims. Why didnt God protect her? And then u have an asshole like me calling God a hermaphrodite and all seems well other than all I get are fat chicks, maybe he's keeping the hot ones away until I repent. 

Another point of contention is the staunch Christian in America, if he was born in the Middle East, he'd probably be a staunch Muslim. Cuz he would've been taught that by his parents and place of worship. So u say he was taught wrong. He'll say ur taught wrong. So who's right? Neither of u r. The atheist is wrong also, he doesnt know anything either, he just uses his experiences to claim theres no God. Maybe there isnt. Or maybe God is testing him, which is what the religionist would say. And whos the God? 1 will say he's the father of Mr Christ, another calls him Allan or MOhammad's father??, yet another has 100 Gods all with different names. None of it makes any sense, we don't know jack shit.

[dyslexic]

I made a few posts. Got called "well-trained" (or something)--



Why are those for "atheism" trying so hard to justify and defend it? Spending countless years trying to believe it?



If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. I guess you better "Stick" to it then.

[dyslexic]

Modern science is not always based on facts.

Curious what it is then that an "atheist" wants to find in science to denounce Christianity?

[theonlyone]

Well, it all depends on who u talk to. To Muslims the image of Mohammad and Allah outvalue Jesus. To Hindus of which I'm a product of, the images of the 100 Gods outvalue Jesus. My grandmother who raised me is an extremely religious person, prays for hours a day, but in her later years when her husband passed away her asshole sons, 1 a bigger loser than the next, stole all her money and jewelry those pieces of shit and shes pretty miserable now. I'm sure theres similar stories of Christians and Muslims. Why didnt God protect her? And then u have an asshole like me calling God a hermaphrodite and all seems well other than all I get are fat chicks, maybe he's keeping the hot ones away until I repent. 

Another point of contention is the staunch Christian in America, if he was born in the Middle East, he'd probably be a staunch Muslim. Cuz he would've been taught that by his parents and place of worship. So u say he was taught wrong. He'll say ur taught wrong. So who's right? Neither of u r. The atheist is wrong also, he doesnt know anything either, he just uses his experiences to claim theres no God. Maybe there isnt. Or maybe God is testing him, which is what the religionist would say. And whos the God? 1 will say he's the father of Mr Christ, another calls him Allan or MOhammad's father??, yet another has 100 Gods all with different names. None of it makes any sense, we don't know jack shit.

 Your post have put me in stupor at 1'st as you put forward a lot of issues but then I realized that I can go for each of them. A bit later man

[jwb]

I made a few posts. Got called "well-trained" (or something)--



Why are those for "atheism" trying so hard to justify and defend it? Spending countless years trying to believe it?



If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. I guess you better "Stick" to it then.

Choosing to be godless is the bravest choice one can make... We should be respected for making that choice.

[NordicNerd]

...Only the atheist recognizes the boundless narcissism and self-deceit of the saved. Only the atheist realizes how morally objectionable it is for survivors of a catastrophe to believe themselves spared by a loving God while this same God drowned infants in their cribs. Because he refuses to cloak the reality of the world’s suffering in a cloying fantasy of eternal life, the atheist feels in his bones just how precious life is—and, indeed, how unfortunate it is that millions of human beings suffer the most harrowing abridgements of their happiness for no good reason at all.
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QFT, good post!

NN

[dan18]

An Atheist Manifesto
A Dig led by Sam Harris


Somewhere in the world a man has abducted a little girl. Soon he will rape, torture and kill her. If an atrocity of this kind is not occurring at precisely this moment, it will happen in a few hours, or days at most. Such is the confidence we can draw from the statistical laws that govern the lives of 6 billion human beings. The same statistics also suggest that this girl s parents believe at this very moment that an all-powerful and all-loving God is watching over them and their family. Are they right to believe this? Is it good that they believe this?

No.
The entirety of atheism is contained in this response. Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply a refusal to deny the obvious.  Unfortunately, we live in a world in which the obvious is overlooked as a matter of principle. The obvious must be observed and re-observed and argued for. This is a thankless job. It carries with it an aura of petulance and insensitivity. It is, moreover, a job that the atheist does not want.

 

It is worth noting that no one ever needs to identify himself as a guy or a non-alchemist. Consequently, we do not have words for people who deny the validity of these pseudo-disciplines. Likewise, atheism is a term that should not even exist. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. The atheist is merely a person who believes that the 260 million Americans (87% of the population) who claim to never doubt the existence of God  should be obliged to present evidence for his existence and, indeed, for his benevolence, given the relentless destruction of innocent human beings we witness in the world each day. Only the atheist appreciates just how uncanny our situation is: Most of us believe in a God that is every bit as specious as the gods of Mount Olympus; no person, whatever his or her qualifications, can seek public office in the United States without pretending to be certain that such a God exists; and much of what passes for public policy in our country conforms to religious taboos and superstitions appropriate to a medieval theocracy. Our circumstance is abject, indefensible and terrifying. It would be hilarious if the stakes were not so high.

We live in a world where all things, good and bad, are finally destroyed by change. Parents lose their children and children their parents. Husbands and wives are separated in an instant, never to meet again. Friends part company in haste, without knowing that it will be for the last time. This life, when surveyed with a broad glance, presents little more than a vast spectacle of loss. Most people in this world, however, imagine that there is a cure for this. If we live rightly—not necessarily ethically, but within the framework of certain ancient beliefs and stereotyped behaviors—we will get everything we want after we die. When our bodies finally fail us, we just shed our corporeal ballast and travel to a land where we are reunited with everyone we loved while alive. Of course, overly rational people and other rabble will be kept out of this happy place, and those who suspended their disbelief while alive will be free to enjoy themselves for all eternity.

We live in a world of unimaginable surprises—from the fusion energy that lights the sun to the genetic and evolutionary consequences of this lights dancing for eons upon the Earth—and yet Paradise conforms to our most superficial concerns with all the fidelity of a Caribbean cruise. This is wondrously strange. If one didn’t know better, one would think that man, in his fear of losing all that he loves, had created heaven, along with its gatekeeper God, in his own image.

Consider the destruction that Hurricane Katrina leveled on New Orleans. More than a thousand people died, tens of thousands lost all their earthly possessions, and nearly a million were displaced. It is safe to say that almost every person living in New Orleans at the moment Katrina struck believed in an omnipotent, omniscient and compassionate God. But what was God doing while a hurricane laid waste to their city? Surely he heard the prayers of those elderly men and women who fled the rising waters for the safety of their attics, only to be slowly drowned there. These were people of faith. These were good men and women who had prayed throughout their lives. Only the atheist has the courage to admit the obvious: These poor people died talking to an imaginary friend.

Of course, there had been ample warning that a storm of biblical proportions would strike New Orleans, and the human response to the ensuing disaster was tragically inept. But it was inept only by the light of science. Advance warning of Katrina’s path was wrested from mute Nature by meteorological calculations and satellite imagery. God told no one of his plans. Had the residents of New Orleans been content to rely on the beneficence of the Lord, they wouldn’t have known that a killer hurricane was bearing down upon them until they felt the first gusts of wind on their faces. Nevertheless, a poll conducted by The Washington Post found that 80% of Katrina’s survivors claim that the event has only strengthened their faith in God.

As Hurricane Katrina was devouring New Orleans, nearly a thousand Shiite pilgrims were trampled to death on a bridge in Iraq. There can be no doubt that these pilgrims believed mightily in the God of the Koran: Their lives were organized around the indisputable fact of his existence; their women walked veiled before him; their men regularly murdered one another over rival interpretations of his word. It would be remarkable if a single survivor of this tragedy lost his faith. More likely, the survivors imagine that they were spared through God’s grace.

Only the atheist recognizes the boundless narcissism and self-deceit of the saved. Only the atheist realizes how morally objectionable it is for survivors of a catastrophe to believe themselves spared by a loving God while this same God drowned infants in their cribs. Because he refuses to cloak the reality of the world’s suffering in a cloying fantasy of eternal life, the atheist feels in his bones just how precious life is—and, indeed, how unfortunate it is that millions of human beings suffer the most harrowing abridgements of their happiness for no good reason at all.

And this is the world we created for ourselves we must live in our own filth until the time comes to go to heaven...All you can do is try and be a good and compassionate person take care of yourself and your family. Help those when you can and dont turn your back when you see something that is wrong,... we as a race turn our backs many years ago on faith so we have to live on a earth we created in our image not gods..

[dan18]

It's like if a girl tells a police officer that you slapped her ass.

There's no evidence that you slapped her ass.

It's basically her word against yours.

So what's the truth?

The truth is the police officer doesnt know.

It couldve happened. Or not.

Same analogy. Except in this case, the ass slap is God, the girl is the clergy, and you are the police officer.

Its so simple u silly fuks. 

mmmmmmmm and its funny how in this infinite universe so infinite there is no end to space, humans appeared.so i guess there is no other life out there only us how ''vain''