Most Prohormones May be Gone in SIX Months!

[kiwiol]

Maybe you should read that first, you idiot.

Aren't you in the supplement business? They are killing YOUR industry.

Exactly, what a dumbass.

If you don't like supplements or PH, don't take them. But don't support the government taking control over the industry, which does no good to anyone except the government.

[DK II]

I wouldn't doubt it. It's all fun and games till none of us can't buy a bottle of vitamin C with out a script.

What happened to the nice ideas that built the United States called "Freedom" and that every pansy is responsible for his own idiocies?

It's all about the money, anyways. It's not about if high doses of Vitamins or fish oil are dangerous, it's that some big pharma company probably has a shelf full of photos of US senators getting their cocks sucked by 11 year old philipino refugee girls and they would like to sell Vitamin C for 100$$ per gram rather than 10 Cents.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Maybe you should read that first, you idiot.

Aren't you in the supplement business? They are killing YOUR industry.

No, people like IronMagLabs are killing the supplement industry by selling prohormones which have been banned for a number of years.  When you thumb your nose at the U.S Government, they are going to boot everyone in the ass. 


As far as my industry is concerned, I don't like the government punishing everyone for the activities of a few idiots but that's just the way it is sometimes.

[DK II]

No, people like IronMagLabs are killing the supplement industry by selling prohormones which have been banned for a number of years.  When you thumb your nose at the U.S Government, they are going to boot everyone in the ass. 


As far as my industry is concerned, I don't like the government punishing everyone for the activities of a few idiots but that's just the way it is sometimes.

If you would have ANY knowledge of the current US-American laws, you would know that what they did was perfectly legal. The products they put on the market are legal until they are proven to be unsafe, that's the law, and they went by it.

Now soon you will be out of business because you cannot sell your fucking bee pollen anymore without a prescript.

[pellius]

why do you need multi vitamin?

eat food

get legit gh it is will give you all the multi anything you want,,

gh15 approved

I'm not sure how many people eat a balanced and varied diet to get all the necessary vits and minerals. You, yourself, once mentioned to take a good multi-vit and fish oil. Not everyone eats sushi with salmon everyday and multi-vits are cheap insurance.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

If you would have ANY knowledge of the current US-American laws, you would know that what they did was perfectly legal. The products they put on the market are legal until they are proven to be unsafe, that's the law, and they went by it.

Now soon you will be out of business because you cannot sell your fucking bee pollen anymore without a prescript.

No, what they are selling is illegal regardless of what loophole they "think" they jumped through.  In addition, by the the time something is declared unsafe its already to late for some people.

People have had it up to here with the antics of rogue supplement companies and this is the end result

[Alexander D]

you better read the bill because this is going to give the FDA ultimate power to ban anything they see fit including multiple vitamins, remember they banned vitamin B6 last year, imagine what they will be doing now!

this is the absolute worst thing that could happen, anyone that thinks otherwise is a complete ignorant moron.

I think its a great idea that the FDA get involved. It's LONG overdue. These supplement companies make RIDICULOUS claims with ZERO evidence-based research to support most of these claims. 99% of supplements are pure garbage anyway. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a complete ignorant moron, or is trying to sell you supplements...

[Alexander D]

For the amount of damage that prohormones will do to your body, you might as well just inject real steroids.

"1"

QFT

[Disgusted]

I think its a great idea that the FDA get involved. It's LONG overdue. These supplement companies make RIDICULOUS claims with ZERO evidence-based research to support most of these claims. 99% of supplements are pure garbage anyway. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a complete ignorant moron, or is trying to sell you supplements...

Thank God for the FDA, they keep us safe.

[Alexander D]

OKAY, FOR THE IDIOTS HERE THAT CAN ONLY SEEM TO READ THE TITLE OF A THREAD....

THIS AFFECTS ALL SUPPLEMENTS ON THE MARKET, NOT JUST PROHOMRONES, EVEN A FUCKING MULTIPLE VITAMIN!

And for the majority of the population who eat a healthy diet- they don't need to take a multi-vitamin... those with specific nutritional deficiencies, or health issues and/or are on medications that deplete various vitamins/minerals (only one i can think off of the top of my head is Methotrexate depleting Folic acid) These people can go to their doctor, get a script for folic acid or whatever and go to the pharmacy and pick it up for 5 bucks and be sure that they are taking 100% pure quality product... not blinding trusting some supplement company with piss poor quality control, retarded marketing, no evidence-based research... etc Youre just pissed because you arent going to be able to sell your Horny Goat Weed anymore  

[Alexander D]

I'm not sure how many people eat a balanced and varied diet to get all the necessary vits and minerals. You, yourself, once mentioned to take a good multi-vit and fish oil. Not everyone eats sushi with salmon everyday and multi-vits are cheap insurance.

with next to ZERO proof that they are worth a damn. Sure you "feel good" taking it, but popping a 1000mg of Vit C is not the same as eating an orange.

There was a study not too long ago comparing some of the top multi-vitamin companies that looked at what is REALLY in the bottle... I believe Centrum was the only company that was anywhere near close to the actual doses of vits and minerals per serving, but even they weren't 100% accurate with their claims. Many companies were WAY off... I'll see if i can dig it up.

[Disgusted]

with next to ZERO proof that they are worth a damn. Sure you "feel good" taking it, but popping a 1000mg of Vit C is not the same as eating an orange.

Why

[Alex23]

Why

Exactly...

[Alexander D]

Why

Your body will only absorb a small percentage of an isolate form of vitamins and minerals- and utilizes even less. Your body absorbs much more of the whole food form in it's natural state. This is what our body is physiologically designed to do. Many supplemental vitamins and minerals have other additives/ preservatives and other potential allergens that you won't necessarily have with a whole food.  On top of that, there may be side effects to taking vitamins, depending on the quality of the isolate. Not to mention right now, most supplement companies have very low standards for quality control, if any. Some companies are better than others.

The only people who will argue that taking a pill form of a vitamin or mineral is better than eating a whole food are those who sell supplements.

[Disgusted]

Your body will only absorb a small percentage of an isolate form of vitamins and minerals- and utilizes even less. Your body absorbs much more of the whole food form in it's natural state. This is what our body is physiologically designed to do. Many supplemental vitamins and minerals have other additives/ preservatives and other potential allergens that you won't necessarily have with a whole food.  On top of that, there may be side effects to taking vitamins, depending on the quality of the isolate. Not to mention right now, most supplement companies have very low standards for quality control, if any. Some companies are better than others.

Simply not true unless you have any studies that prove otherwise. Also as an aside, there are plenty of supplement companies that assay their products.

[Alexander D]

Simply not true unless you have any studies that prove otherwise. Also as an aside, there are plenty of supplement companies that assay their products.

  Prove I'm wrong EXPERT...

then there is the whole issue of OTC supplements being enzyme inducers and inhibitors such as St. Johns Wort, which can essentially speed up your liver's processing of various other drugs, causing them to be less effective. But of course, you are an EXPERT, so im sure you know plenty about this.

[Disgusted]

Prove I'm wrong EXPERT...

You are the one making claims not me. One does not go around disproving all erroneous claims that are made. That is up to the person making the claim if possible which in your case it's not. You obviously do not know what you are talking about since once someone asks you to explain yourself you can't. You are making some pretty clear cut claims with some specific terms as if you are trying to convince people that you actually know something. Next time think before you speak and save yourself the embarrassment of showing your lack of knowledge.

[Alexander D]

You are the one making claims not me. One does not go around disproving all erroneous claims that are made. You obviously do not know what you are talking about since once someone asks you to explain yourself you can't. You are making some pretty clear cut claims with some specific terms as if you are trying to convince people that you actually know something. Next time think before you speak and save yourself the embarrassment of showing your lack of knowledge.

LOL So what supplements do you sell bro? You are claiming what I stated isn't true... So, prove it. Prove me wrong if im incorrect. what specifically do you disagree with? What is not true about the fact that many OTC vitamins are loaded with fillers, preservatives and other chemicals and potential allergens? That their label claims aren't always accurate. What is not true about the fact that our body only absorbs a small percentage of isolate forms of vitamins and minerals? Maybe if you took a basic biology or organic chemistry class ever in your life, you would know this.

the only one who should be embarrassed is you, because pretty soon you'll be out of a job.

[Alexander D]

FACT: "Vitamin C in whole food does not exist as ascorbic acid alone, but co-exists within a synergistic network of enzymes, and other cofactors, that as a whole, total biologically-active vitamin C. Synthetic vitamins, due to their non-ionic structure, are not complete complexes. Any food or vitamin must contain the appropriate live enzymes to be utilized by cells. Enzymes make transport of nutrients through cell walls possible. Live food comes complete with enzymes to assist with its digestion and assimilation.

Most vitamin and mineral supplements do not contain enzymes. A majority are produced or chemically processed in laboratories. Such mass-produced synthetic products are good for profit and shelf life but that's about it. The perfect example of a synthetic vitamin which is perpetrated as the real thing by the supplement industry is ascorbic acid. The supplement industry calls it vitamin C. Ascorbic acid is not vitamin C, but rather a fraction/ the outside layer of the biologically utilizable vitamin C complex.

Whole food vitamin C is also naturally buffered, with less than 1/10 the acidity compared to common ascorbic acid found in many supplemental Vit C products, and is therefore gentler on the stomach. "

Moral of the Story- Anyone that thinks man-made vitamins are better or equal to natural whole foods is a fucking retard, or sells supplements for a living. End of discussion.

[devilsmile]

Your body will only absorb a small percentage of an isolate form of vitamins and minerals- and utilizes even less. Your body absorbs much more of the whole food form in it's natural state. This is what our body is physiologically designed to do. Many supplemental vitamins and minerals have other additives/ preservatives and other potential allergens that you won't necessarily have with a whole food.  On top of that, there may be side effects to taking vitamins, depending on the quality of the isolate. Not to mention right now, most supplement companies have very low standards for quality control, if any. Some companies are better than others.

The only people who will argue that taking a pill form of a vitamin or mineral is better than eating a whole food are those who sell supplements.

SPOT ON!!!! Lol, people should read this and learn it.

Vitamin supplements don't do shit... I allways have a flu, fever.... vitamins don't help anything. "OOOH You need to up the dosage, take 4g of C mitamine a day".... why? So I have 40x the ammount of other chemicals that stresses out my liver and actually harms my immune system? No thanks.

It's not about the ammount of vitamins you take, it's about the quality. 100mg of c vitamin a day is more than enough if your body rly takes advantage of it.

[makaveli25]

Why are you morons for more government control Christ. If you are so against supplements don't use them. Every year the government gains a new foot hold in some part of our life. You really want them telling you what you can and can't take? It's called personal responsibility. I swear some of you want to live in a nanny state.

[The Showstoppa]

Why are you morons for more government control Christ. If you are so against supplements don't use them. Every year the government gains a new foot hold in some part of our life. You really want them telling you what you can and can't take? It's called personal responsibility. I swear some of you want to live in a nanny state.

This x2

[devilsmile]

Why are you morons for more government control Christ. If you are so against supplements don't use them. Every year the government gains a new foot hold in some part of our life. You really want them telling you what you can and can't take? It's called personal responsibility. I swear some of you want to live in a nanny state.

Where the fuck did i say I'm for government control you... you.. FREAK!

Fucking pro noob, that's what you are.

I only stated that I agree with alexander that VITAMIN SUPPLEMENTS don't work for SHIT! That's all! Every government control like this is ridiculous in my oppinion. Doesn't make the fact dissappear that 99% of supplements have only 2% of the ingredients promissed instead of 80% which the products allways claim.



If it was all for me, I'd make a "remove the phony producsts, enhance the working ones" campaign, but I can't.

I'm all for prohormones and supplements etc... I want tribulus plant in stores like any other green salad... but I can't do that, so... but doesn't matter, vitamin supplements = worth nothing.

[OneMoreRep]

Your body will only absorb a small percentage of an isolate form of vitamins and minerals- and utilizes even less. Your body absorbs much more of the whole food form in it's natural state. This is what our body is physiologically designed to do. Many supplemental vitamins and minerals have other additives/ preservatives and other potential allergens that you won't necessarily have with a whole food.  On top of that, there may be side effects to taking vitamins, depending on the quality of the isolate. Not to mention right now, most supplement companies have very low standards for quality control, if any. Some companies are better than others.

Hate to break it to you folks, but this stud right here is completely right.

"1"

[w8m8]

FACT: Vitamin C in whole food does not exist as ascorbic acid alone, but co-exists within a synergistic network of enzymes, and other cofactors, that as a whole, total biologically-active vitamin C. Synthetic vitamins, due to their non-ionic structure, are not complete complexes. Any food or vitamin must contain the appropriate live enzymes to be utilized by cells. Enzymes make transport of nutrients through cell walls possible. Live food comes complete with enzymes to assist with its digestion and assimilation.

Most vitamin and mineral supplements do not contain enzymes. A majority are produced or chemically processed in laboratories. Such mass-produced synthetic products are good for profit and shelf life but that's about it. The perfect example of a synthetic vitamin which is perpetrated as the real thing by the supplement industry is ascorbic acid. The supplement industry calls it vitamin C. Ascorbic acid is not vitamin C, but rather a fraction/ the outside layer of the biologically utilizable vitamin C complex.

Whole food vitamin C is also naturally buffered, with less than 1/10 the acidity compared to common ascorbic acid found in many supplemental Vit C products, and is therefore gentler on the stomach.

Moral of the Story- Anyone that thinks man-made vitamins are better or equal to natural whole foods is a fucking retard, or sells supplements for a living. End of discussion.

Epic cut and paste from the arrogant fuckwit pretending (on Getbig LOL) to be a doctor... bro! Quite the deluded, and indeed typical, black moron!

When Alexander (aka: black Einstein) asserted that [to paraphrase] "the onus is upon you to disprove my negative" (as directed to Jim/Disgusted above) I nearly fell off my chair, such was the comedy gold; the fucking dusky toolbag.

ANYHOO, LOL, BUSTED:

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