Most Prohormones May be Gone in SIX Months!

[Alexander D]

Those sites are actually not where I got my information, but either way, what I posted was 100% accurate. You and your buddy Jim cannot disprove anything I have posted. FACT. Cute that you removed the quotation marks from my original post to make it seem like I wasn't giving credit to the original author   pretty sad!

And I am a surgeon I could careless if you believe me or not, psycho. You take the internet WAY too seriously  

[warrior_code]

it is well accepted amongst nutrition professionals that a good portion of micro-nutrients when obtained from natural sources come with a variety of cofactors and co-enzymes which make them much more bioavailable in vivo.  Multivitamin pills are a excellent insurance plan if one is going to a remote area and won't have access to adequate nutrition ect.  but to depend on them is silly.       

[w8m8]

Those sites are actually not where I got my information







You take the internet WAY too seriously  

LOL ... lighten up


then tell me how those two sentences can make sense to you to use ?

1st you say you didn't get your info from "those" sites


then say "I" take the internet too serious 


much muffled laughter ... you used the internet for a cut and paste rebuttal 


play on Surgeon

[Alexander D]

My rebuttal was partially cut and pasted from http://www.uptodate.com/index, which is a reputable online medical reference site that is used by docs every day. It’s a subscription only site, but if you PM me, I’d be happy to give you the user name and password that my hospital uses and let you see the articles I was referring to.

Either way, the fact still remains that what I posted is accurate, and up to date in current medical literature.

Both you and Jim aren’t able to defend your statements, so you try personal attacks and whatnot… lame. Enjoy that expensive urine!!

[Natural Man]

i cant believe people buy supps..vitamins.....proh ormones... fucking idiots. In fact it will prevent stupid people from wasting their money on garbage that does absolutely nothing.

[Van_Bilderass]

You can't make a statement like, "vitamins in food are absorbed better", across the board. Yes, often true, but not always. Example: vitamin b-12. Preferably synthetic form given via injection if levels are low. Some people also lack certain enzymes that absorb b-12 from the gut and synthetic oral forms like a co-enzyme of b-12 called methylcobalamin may be warranted if deficient.

Infants are sometimes given synthetic vitamins. Doctors prescribe various synthetic vitamins in deficiency states. My mother eats a prescribed calcium/D-3 combo and labs show they "work" (obviously food wasn't enough). People on diuretics may get potassium etc etc.

It's not black and white. Food is of utmost importance and supplements may not supply micronutrients found in foods we do not yet know about, but supplemental vitamins may work just as well as food derived and sometimes better, as I illustrated above.

I don't think Alexander D is a doc. Yes a doc may say you don't need anything other than a balanced diet, but docs also prescribe vitamins, even to patients eating well.

[Disgusted]

You can't make a statement like, "vitamins in food are absorbed better", across the board. Yes, often true, but not always. Example: vitamin b-12. Preferably synthetic form given via injection if levels are low. Some people also lack certain enzymes that absorb b-12 from the gut and synthetic oral forms like a co-enzyme of b-12 called methylcobalamin may be warranted if deficient.

Infants are sometimes given synthetic vitamins. Doctors prescribe various synthetic vitamins in deficiency states. My mother eats a prescribed calcium/D-3 combo and labs show they "work" (obviously food wasn't enough). People on diuretics may get potassium etc etc.

It's not black and white. Food is of utmost importance and supplements may not supply micronutrients found in foods we do not yet know about, but supplemental vitamins may work just as well as food derived and sometimes better, as I illustrated above.

I don't think Alexander D is a doc. Yes a doc may say you don't need anything other than a balanced diet, but docs also prescribe vitamins, even to patients eating well.

Thank you!

[Spike]

LOL ... lighten up


then tell me how those two sentences can make sense to you to use ?

1st you say you didn't get your info from "those" sites


then say "I" take the internet too serious 


much muffled laughter ... you used the internet for a cut and paste rebuttal 


play on Surgeon

Alexander fcknw pwnd by my internet girlfriend - do you like apples??

fckn toolbox - you shit posts are gettn ridicuous and FINALLY someone outs your fatass

only way to prove your a real man is to post pics now -  PTPS

You can't make a statement like, "vitamins in food are absorbed better", across the board. Yes, often true, but not always. Example: vitamin b-12. Preferably synthetic form given via injection if levels are low. Some people also lack certain enzymes that absorb b-12 from the gut and synthetic oral forms like a co-enzyme of b-12 called methylcobalamin may be warranted if deficient.

this is true - absorbtion rate of cynocobalamin is capped in the stomach

i take 1mL a week

[Alexander D]

You can't make a statement like, "vitamins in food are absorbed better", across the board. Yes, often true, but not always. Example: vitamin b-12. Preferably synthetic form given via injection if levels are low. Some people also lack certain enzymes that absorb b-12 from the gut and synthetic oral forms like a co-enzyme of b-12 called methylcobalamin may be warranted if deficient.

Infants are sometimes given synthetic vitamins. Doctors prescribe various synthetic vitamins in deficiency states. My mother eats a prescribed calcium/D-3 combo and labs show they "work" (obviously food wasn't enough). People on diuretics may get potassium etc etc.

It's not black and white. Food is of utmost importance and supplements may not supply micronutrients found in foods we do not yet know about, but supplemental vitamins may work just as well as food derived and sometimes better, as I illustrated above.

I don't think Alexander D is a doc. Yes a doc may say you don't need anything other than a balanced diet, but docs also prescribe vitamins, even to patients eating well.

You are correct about B12, but the issue really isn't about the vitamins/minerals US doctors prescribe (which are pharmaceutical grade and approved by the FDA to meet their quality standards). I never ever stated that there isn’t a role for those. You mention those with B12 deficiency and infants, great. I think it’s pretty clear that we are specifically talking about the relatively healthy adult population that exercises. I am sorry if that wasn’t made me clear with the posts, or if you failed to realize that.

The issue is that ANY jackass can start a supplement company and sell vitamins, pro hormones, you name it and make ridiculous label claims and at the moment do not have much accountability. Look at the industry, it’s an embarrassment. “TAKE THIS CREATINE IT’s 2934234 times better than BRAND X”. “NITROTECH WILL HELP YOU GAIN 8.4 LBS OF MUSCLE IN JUST 14 days”… Garbage.

Again, for those who exercise and eat a balanced diet, I do not know a single doctor who tells their patients to take a multi-vitamin… Usually it’s more like “OK, take it if it makes you feel better, you are probably wasting your money, but it’s your decision.” To say we blindly endorse taking vitamins and minerals for no reason is incorrect.

[Disgusted]

So many factors are involved when it comes to absorption. The amount of fat in stomach, adding in other nutrients, and the amount of vitamin that you take. For example, Vit C, the more you take the more that is absorbed although the amount of absorption is far less as the dose is increased. But hey, who can argue with a  thirteen year old surgeon?  

[Alexander D]

haha, great rebut, spastic!
 
Of course, we expect nothing less from the sub saharan representative that is your fine self.
 
So, gollywog, let us address your bullshit point, and more so, let us reveal just 'why' you offer Jim/Disgusted NOT A SINGLE IOTA OF PROOF to support your specious claim.
 
To begin, isolate compound forms of Vitamins offer a person the oppportunity to meet their daily requirements in a convenient form that is low anti nutrient, and low allergenity. These compound isolate Vitamins can be taken with most any meal as preferred by the person consuming them, thus these products also have utility as far as ones taste buds are concerned.
 
You offer Jim ZERO PROOF; This being the case on account that your fallacious position, vis a vis, isolate Vitamins, is not only factually incorrect, it is also absolutely untenable.

There exists ZERO evidence that consuming whole foods, as opposed to isolate vitamins, confers any advantage (over a balanced diet) as per the kind being, fallaciously, implied by the thick headed African that you are. Or is this where you now, actually, claim that anyone is advocating living on fuck all other than synthetic vitamins?
 
Indeed, and for example, take a look at the pylate content of whole grains, and more so, how said pylate content compromises the absorbtion of various minerals by the body; shaka zulu, spear chucking, senile scumbag.
 

 
Comically, when discussing "real food vs synthetic vitamins" you talk of "synergistic enzymes", hilarious really given it thusly reveals your complete fucking ignorance vis a vis Lectins, enzyme inhibitors and other deletariious, anti nutrient crap found in examples of 'real food' such as 'healthy' whole grains.
 
You can rattle on about how "Vitamin C co-exists within a synergistic network of enzymes" to your hearts desire, none of it changes the fact that you have highlighted zero tightly controlled studies (and certianly fuck all consensus opinion outside of indulgent supposition) that demonstrate synthetic isolate vitimins, as part of a balanced diet, to have no positive effects when compared to your 'whole foods', the reason, because you can't!
 
Of course, we won't even get into the fact that Vitamin C intake decreases mitochondrial biogenesis, because hey, according to you, the stuff has fuck all effect either way... or is this where you now claim Vitimin C only confers detrimental effects on subjects? LOL, all over the place like the spade you are.
 
This, again, of course being the reason you couldn't pony up when Jim requested the proof. So please, woeful wog, stop wasting our time with your silly, hypothetical speculations about synergistic networks, how they, supposedly, will not function when met with synthetic isolate vitamins.
 
All accordingy to you... the bogus bantu, with zero proof LOL
 
Also, your fallacious assertion that the existance of underdosed brands somehow validates an expansionist governemnt policy, is absurd in the extreme. Some brands have been found to be underdosed, and?
 
To wit, come on, retard; for your position to hold water, you now have to assert than at no time has any pharamaceutical company ever produced underdosed or harmful products... doh, king of the African cunts.
 
You really are quite the digressive, double talking darkie, are you not?
 
Oh and, to Vince 'fudge highway' Goodrum, you have some fucking nerve to talk; purveyor of IGF, Bee Pollen and other assorted shit. Your snake-oil peddling ilk will be the first in the fucking camps, come the time crap such as this reaches the statue. The DSHEA is more than enough, but hey, no surpris that a gang of jew supremacists and their sub human lackies want to piss all over what the founding fathers invisaged, eh Vince?
 
Getbig seems to have become a cognatively compromised adjunct, for low brow, semi evolved Mountebanks with origins somewhat south of the sahara!

lmfao if you think id ever waste my time reading your bullshit novel. LOL have a good day 

[Spike]

lmfao if you think id ever waste my time reading your bullshit novel. LOL have a good day 

wouldnt that take you like 3min to read and process with all the books and journal your read in medical school



aaaaaaahhhhh shit - go back to bangbros and rub one out you fckwit

[w8m8]

wouldnt that take you like 3min to read and process with all the books and journal your read in medical school



aaaaaaahhhhh shit - go back to bangbros and rub one out you fckwit

LOL .. no matter .. it's what they do ... when all else fails .. just insert a rolley eye .. say "next" .. or claim it's too much to read


hope you're having a good day  

[Spike]

LOL .. no matter .. it's what they do


hope you're having a good day 

you need to come workout with me and spot me - I only workout with women, workout partners with 'bros' turn into a pissing contest and I dont need some other dude hyping me up - he doesnt do that when I have sex - if I hear a chick goin ' push harder ' i put up like 4 more reps easily no prob

I need someone to shave my back to - its get down right riduculous

hope you have a good weekend sweetness

[w8m8]

you need to come workout with me and spot me - I only workout with women, workout partners with 'bros' turn into a pissing contest and I dont need some other dude hyping me up - he doesnt do that when I have sex - if I hear a chick goin ' push harder ' i put up like 4 more reps easily no prob

I need someone to shave my back to - its get down right riduculous

hope you have a good weekend sweetness

If I lived close by .. I'd spot you for my own pleasure !!

What kind of razor do you use ? I like shaving 

My weekend is going to be fabulous thank you ... I hope yours is aswell 

[w8m8]

lmfao if you think id ever waste my time reading your bullshit novel. LOL have a good day  

"vitamins supplements don't work"
 
"Supplementary vitamins don't work, only vitamins from whole foods do"
 
"Vitamin supplements they do work... as part of a balanced diet"
 
You are ALL OVER THE PLACE!!!
 
You need to find some degree of focus, maybe have the zoo keeper there chain you down on a flat bed lorry, like fucking king kong?
 
LOL, no problem, and trust me here, at no point did I expect you to be capable of reading anything, your kind never are, I mean, why not tell us how that "never invented a written language of our own" thing goes again?
 
Yeah yeah, I know, something to do with white oppresion? despite you black wankers existing all alone for millenia before the white man got there, yada yada yada.
 
Good night, imbecile; shambolic dickhead, with the distinctly dubious, doctoral credentials LOL
 
(o)(o)

[Van_Bilderass]

You are correct about B12, but the issue really isn't about the vitamins/minerals US doctors prescribe (which are pharmaceutical grade and approved by the FDA to meet their quality standards).

Major pharmaceutical companies produce multivitamins as well, do they not? Like Centrum? I would recommend going with a pharma vitamin if possible (if you think you need it/if your diet is restrictive such as when dieting on chicken, tuna and rice or whatever). Though there are high quality supp companies as well, I would avoid supplement companies targeting bodybuilders.

I don't use multivitamins regularly myself, but maybe I should. For example, if my lips crack and I take some multis the lips heal overnight. So maybe intake isn't optimal.

[Spike]

If I lived close by .. I'd spot you for my own pleasure !!

What kind of razor do you use ? I like shaving 

My weekend is going to be fabulous thank you ... I hope yours is aswell 

mach 5 but it prob has to be clippd first finish it off in the shower

yea it would definately be a pleasurable experience

[IronMagazine.com]

Many of you need to forget the part about pro-hormones and supplements, the problem here is the FDA is getting ultimate control to do whatever they want, period. Whether a product is safe or not if the FDA, aka big pharma, feels that its impeding on their revenues they will tell the FDA to pull it. This has to do with our rights in America. Why would you want the government telling you what you can and cannot put in your body? If you think they are looking out for your welfare then they would not be approving all of these drugs that you see advertised on TV every night with symptoms that range from heart attack to death. And of course tobacco would be illegal.

Americans are not dieing from prohormones, steroids or supplements, they're dying from alcohol, tobacco, prescription drugs, pesticides in our foods causing cancer, etc. and even OTC drugs like Tylenol and Aspirin.

You all need to wake up and realize what I am trying to tell you here is MORE American rights are being taken from us and more government control is being put in place.

[Jack T. Cross]

Those prohormones are known to burn holes in the liver. I'd rather take 10 Abombs a day then some of that over the counter poison.

You can't.  The "power" has decided that's off-limits, too.

[Jack T. Cross]

For the amount of damage that prohormones will do to your body, you might as well just inject real steroids.

You can't.  The "power" has decided that's off-limits, too.

[OneMoreRep]

You all need to wake up and realize what I am trying to tell you here is MORE American rights are being taken from us and more government control is being put in place.

That doesn't come as a surprise.  Just the other day, Obama signed the extension for the Patriot Act to be active for another year.  

"1"

[Alexander D]

Major pharmaceutical companies produce multivitamins as well, do they not? Like Centrum? I would recommend going with a pharma vitamin if possible (if you think you need it/if your diet is restrictive such as when dieting on chicken, tuna and rice or whatever). Though there are high quality supp companies as well, I would avoid supplement companies targeting bodybuilders.

I don't use multivitamins regularly myself, but maybe I should. For example, if my lips crack and I take some multis the lips heal overnight. So maybe intake isn't optimal.

Off hand, I am not sure if big pharma groups produce multivits like you see OTC in stores. I have never prescribed one, that is for sure. But really, this isnt where the focus of my training is. I'm having dinner with a buddy of mine tonight who is a family practice doc, and I'll see what he has to say about the topic. I believe Centrum is a private company, but they were shown in a recent study to have the most accurate label claims when compared to other brands of Multi-vits like GNC brand, Vit Shoppe Brand etc. I'm with you on avoiding most of the supplement companies that target bodybuilders. It's these companies and their outrageous label claims that have prompted the FDA to get involved in this industry.

[Alexander D]

That doesn't come as a surprise.  Just the other day, Obama signed the extension for the Patriot Act to be active for another year.  

"1"

yup... I'm one of the few black people that isn't a big fan of Obama. But certainly id rather have him in office than SARAH F'ing PALIN.

[Spike]

yup... I'm one of the few black people that isn't a big fan of Obama. But certainly id rather have him in office than SARAH F'ing PALIN.

I didnt know your were black ?

i was picturing a squirrely british dude or a little white trash hardass from 'down under'