Most Prohormones May be Gone in SIX Months!

[Disgusted]

Ok so, if it isn't true... Why haven't you posted WHY it isn't true? You'd think if you disagree with me so strongly and truly believe you are correct, that you would be able to state exactly why.

I never claimed to be perfect or stated that I cannot learn something new that I didn't know. I'm not a nutritionist by any means, but im pretty sure my knowledge of basic science is good enough to have gotten me this far in life.

You give a LOT of medical advice on here about drugs to take, what drugs not to take, but do you have any educational background to back up what you telling people to do?

BTW- i will not sleep until I hear from w8m8! where are you baby gurl?! I wanna feel those A cups

Well first of all I give my opinion about what I feel works best based on what I have personally used or from what I have seen work on other people. For example when I gave my Mom the ubiquinol her ejection fraction increased and has stayed at 60% and I also stated the study that was done in Texas on late stage heart failure patients. I think it was done in Tyler Texas all you have to do is google it and it's there to see. Also, when I told Pellius to switch from CoQ-10 to UB I stated facts about why, ie better absorption because of it being a reduced version and the patient study. Again these are facts that are easily found on google, not something that is my opinion. I never gave him a dosing regime or gave out any type of medical advise.

As far as the Vit C example there was a stusy done I believe in 1996  that showed a 98% absorption rate when taking a dose of 20 mg which is very low and when the dose increased the absorption rate went down. I think it was a 12 gram dose and something to the effect of 1660 mg was absorbed from that dose, but this proves that your body can absorb more when given a higher dose. Now with the new liposomal Vit C the absorption rate and a lot higher.

[Alexander D]

Ephedra has only been linked to 155 deaths, but you've personally seen MULTIPLE 20 year olds die from it. Statistically speaking, thats pretty amazing. You have a knack for being around ehedra deaths. Maybe it's one of your specialties.

I've seen 2 guys die of MI and 1 stroke... all were in their early 20's.

Either way, not sure where you are getting your magic numbers from. Maybe that’s 155 with definitive linked death, but i am sure there are hundreds or possibly even thousands more implicated but unable to be 100% proven.

whats your point? Oh ok, im not a real doctor ok bro LOL  

[Alexander D]

Well first of all I give my opinion about what I feel works best based on what I have personally used or from what I have seen work on other people. For example when I gave my Mom the ubiquinol her ejection fraction increased and has stayed at 60% and I also stated the study that was done in Texas on late stage heart failure patients. I think it was done in Tyler Texas all you have to do is google it and it's there to see. Also, when I told Pellius to switch from CoQ-10 to UB I stated facts about why, ie better absorption because of it being a reduced version and the patient study. Again these are facts that are easily found on google, not something that is my opinion. I never gave him a dosing regime or gave out any type of medical advise.

As far as the Vit C example there was a stusy done I believe in 1996  that showed a 98% absorption rate when taking a dose of 20 mg which is very low and when the dose increased the absorption rate went down. I think it was a 12 gram dose and something to the effect of 1660 mg was absorbed from that dose, but this proves that your body can absorb more when given a higher dose. Now with the new liposomal Vit C the absorption rate and a lot higher.

thanks all I needed to know. lol 

[Disgusted]

thanks all I needed to know. lol 

Of course it is. I can tell when someone has been humbled as you are now. 

[pellius]

you def make valid points... Can't argue with ya. You obviously are intelligent enough to think for yourself. It's a shame 85% of this world isn't.

I've personally seen people fuck themselves up big time with OTC products. I've seen 20 year old army guys die from strokes and MI from taking big doses of ephedra. It’s a billion dollar industry with lots of hype and garbage floating around. Open any bodybuilding mag, or watch TV and you will see some retarded shit. Like COLON clensing. LOL what a joke. Something needs to be changed...

Colon cleansing -- LOL! I remember that shit (no pun intended) when I worked weekends at the Vitamin Shoppe. Absorb and remove "toxins". Just like having an extra liver.

But this is the crux of the matter. There are a lot of stupid people out there. But should we all have to pay for the fact that stupid people exist? We all have to turn over more of our personal decisions and freedoms because some can't decide for ourselves. I was told not to long ago that we need social security because some people don't plan for their future and their retirement and wouldn't invest their money not taken by the government and invest it. We NEED the government to unilaterally confiscate our money and put it in a "lock box" (lol) so we have something for retirement.

Again it's the age old question about the trade off between freedom and security. People came to this country to escape government oppression. We were founded on the concept of liberty. People being responsible for their own decisions and actions. Sure some will make bad decisions and have to pay for it. Lesson hopefully learned. That's life. That's how you grow and progress. I know I learned more form the tests that I failed than the tests that I got an "A" in.

[Alexander D]

Of course it is. I can tell when someone has been humbled as you are now. 

No, i realize that this is a losing battle. You are just posting hearsay and information you think you remember you saw maybe from a 1996 study, that you aren't even sure about the exact figures about. You are absolutely 100% far and away a GETBIG EXPERT. Congratulations... You win bro!!

[delta9mda]

who use prohomornes?? we use testosterona trenbolona equipona masterona gh insulin nandrolone dianabolona anapolona and the such

we coiuldnt give a damn about those pro hormone,,it is and was shit to begin with ,,infact baning it is good,, go to any steroid boarding on the internet,, swiiming with people,,when they decide to put end to this thats when wart will begin but they are not dumb ,,it wil never end they just try to prevent you from growing bitch tits,,


go legit hormones or go home!

gh15 approved

itsa gettinga olda witha the a-a aftera alla youra druga namesa. dicka heada

[pellius]

that is EXACTLY what you are doing. First you say supplements are just as good as whole food, then you say they are better than whole food, then you cry on getbig about the entire universe being under control by big brother.

I never said i am not upset about a big government and that we have gotten to a point where we NEED the FDA to get involved...

You guys crack me up. Hey its been a while since anyone called me a nigg@r or told me i dont even have a GED. Here let me help you. Alex, you are a nigguh and no way in hell could you have graduated from medical school.

ok thanks!

Don't call people names and posts obscene pictures and just debate and argue the issues on hand then there in no need for insults.

[Alexander D]

Colon cleansing -- LOL! I remember that shit (no pun intended) when I worked weekends at the Vitamin Shoppe. Absorb and remove "toxins". Just like having an extra liver.

But this is the crux of the matter. There are a lot of stupid people out there. But should we all have to pay for the fact that stupid people exist? We all have to turn over more of our personal decisions and freedoms because some can't decide for ourselves. I was told not to long ago that we need social security because some people don't plan for their future and their retirement and wouldn't invest their money not taken by the government and invest it. We NEED the government to unilaterally confiscate our money and put it in a "lock box" (lol) so we have something for retirement.

Again it's the age old question about the trade off between freedom and security. People came to this country to escape government oppression. We were founded on the concept of liberty. People being responsible for their own decisions and actions. Sure some will make bad decisions and have to pay for it. Lesson hopefully learned. That's life. That's how you grow and progress. I know I learned more form the tests that I failed than the tests that I got an "A" in.

Great post. I am with you 100%. Its unfortunate, but stupid people account for much of the pain and suffering of this world and not just causing it to themselves but to everyone else.

You'd be AMAZED at how many people I saw during a few months of a GI rotation who "Saw an ad on TV for colon clensing" and wanted to hear more about it. People who were horrified and scared about the fact that they don't shit EVERY SINGLE DAY and that toxins are building up inside... etc. The problem really is in the marketing and advertising of these products and the fools who buy into it.

[Master Blaster]

But this is the crux of the matter. There are a lot of stupid people out there. But should we all have to pay for the fact that stupid people exist? We all have to turn over more of our personal decisions and freedoms because some can't decide for ourselves. I was told not to long ago that we need social security because some people don't plan for their future and their retirement and wouldn't invest their money not taken by the government and invest it. We NEED the government to unilaterally confiscate our money and put it in a "lock box" (lol) so we have something for retirement.

This made me laugh like a supervillan 

We are well and truely fucked, but thats a story for another day 

[Disgusted]

No, i realize that this is a losing battle. You are just posting hearsay and information you think you remember you saw maybe from a 1996 study, that you aren't even sure about the exact figures about. You are absolutely 100% far and away a GETBIG EXPERT. Congratulations... You win bro!!

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/100405.php

Shame on you for not even knowing about this you being a surgeon and all. 

[Alexander D]

Don't call people names and posts obscene pictures and just debate and argue the issues on hand then there in no need for insults.

Yo man, i am just firing back... Read the entire thread... I def didn't start this one LOL

[pellius]

Ok so, if it isn't true... Why haven't you posted WHY it isn't true? You'd think if you disagree with me so strongly and truly believe you are correct, that you would be able to state exactly why.

I never claimed to be perfect or stated that I cannot learn something new that I didn't know. I'm not a nutritionist by any means, but im pretty sure my knowledge of basic science is good enough to have gotten me this far in life.

You give a LOT of medical advice on here about drugs to take, what drugs not to take, but do you have any educational background to back up what you telling people to do? Other than being an "EXPERT" on getbig? I mean no disrespect, I simply don't know who/what you are.

BTW- i will not sleep until I hear from w8m8! where are you baby gurl?! I wanna feel those A cups

I'm sure that Disgusted and gh15 knows far more about the use of performance enhancing drugs than the vast majority of doctors, including yourself.

[Master Blaster]

Don't call people names and posts obscene pictures and just debate and argue the issues on hand then there in no need for insults.

Dude, this is getbig, we're supposed to do all that shit. 

[Alexander D]

I'm sure that Disgusted and gh15 knows far more about the use of performance enhancing drugs than the vast majority of doctors, including yourself.

With respect to what the pros are doing. Massive steroid cycles, GH, insulin, timing of all of those things.. Oh sure absolutely. I've never claimed to be a drug guru or expert in that regard. Bodybuilding is just a hobby of mine.

But Jim clearly doesn't know how to analyze a REAL clinical study. Jim I encourage you to take a class called Evidence Based Medicine, or get an MPH, you will learn a lot about interpreting data. For every study you find stating one thing, one can often find a counter-study proving the exact opposite. The trick is to be able to differentiate the good stuff from the bad stuff within each study and clearly this is something you haven't learned yet.

[pellius]

I've seen 2 guys die of MI and 1 stroke... all were in their early 20's.

Either way, not sure where you are getting your magic numbers from. Maybe that’s 155 with definitive linked death, but i am sure there are hundreds or possibly even thousands more implicated but unable to be 100% proven.

whats your point? Oh ok, im not a real doctor ok bro LOL  

Weren't there other factors involved such as heat, dehydration, extreme exertion.

[Disgusted]

OK SURGEONBOY I have now referenced both studies that I have talked about to back up my claims. What so far have you done? Man this is fun, what's the ole saying, don't know shit from shinola?  

This bio-availability chart was developed from a study done
by J.L. Groff, S.S. Gropper, and S.M. Hunt which
was published in the book Advanced Nutrition
and Human Metabolism, West Publishing Co., 1995,
pages 222-237.

[Disgusted]

With respect to what the pros are doing. Massive steroid cycles, GH, insulin, timing of all of those things.. Oh sure absolutely. I've never claimed to be a drug guru or expert in that regard. Bodybuilding is just a hobby of mine.

But Jim clearly doesn't know how to analyze a REAL clinical study. Jim I encourage you to take a class called Evidence Based Medicine, or get an MPH, you will learn a lot about interpreting data. For every study you find stating one thing, one can often find a counter-study proving the exact opposite. The trick is to be able to differentiate the good stuff from the bad stuff within each study and clearly this is something you haven't learned yet.

So far you have NOT demonstrated any type of hardcore medical knowledge. I challenge you to show me. I'm sure I can keep up.

[pellius]

So far you have NOT demonstrated any type of hardcore medical knowledge. I challenge you to show me. I'm sure I can keep up.

He is making a valid point, AD (May I call you, "AD"?)

[Alexander D]

OK SURGEONBOY I have now referenced both studies that I have talked about to back up my claims. What so far have you done? Man this is fun, what's the ole saying, don't know shit from shinola?  

This bio-availability chart was developed from a study done
by J.L. Groff, S.S. Gropper, and S.M. Hunt which
was published in the book Advanced Nutrition
and Human Metabolism, West Publishing Co., 1995,
pages 222-237.

LMFAO 12,000mg Vit C... ok bro, you are missing the point completely. 100%. Keep posting your hearsay and google-searched garbage.

Once again, whole food is always better in my opinion. We can disagree about how much of your supplement Vit C is absorbed vs how much of my oranges Vit C is absorbed all day. If you think knowledge of nutrition hasn't changed n 17 years you are off your rocker.

If you want to take 12,000mg of Vit C, go for it bro. I hope you enjoy yourself in the process!!

All of the information I posted was from uptodate.com... The most accurate and up to date medical reference tool that is widely accepted in current medical practice.

[pellius]

LMFAO 12,000mg Vit C... ok bro, you are missing the point completely. 100%. Keep posting your hearsay and google-searched garbage.

Once again, whole food is always better in my opinion. We can disagree about how much of your supplement Vit C is absorbed vs how much of my oranges Vit C is absorbed all day.

If you want to take 12,000mg of Vit C, go for it bro. I hope you enjoy yourself in the process!!

Linus Pauling use to start the day at 10 grams of vit C. Took more throughout the day. Though nutrition wasn't his specialty I heard he was pretty smart and had some critical thinking skills.

[Disgusted]

LMFAO 12,000mg Vit C... ok bro, you are missing the point completely. 100%. Keep posting your hearsay and google-searched garbage.

Once again, whole food is always better in my opinion. We can disagree about how much of your supplement Vit C is absorbed vs how much of my oranges Vit C is absorbed all day.

If you want to take 12,000mg of Vit C, go for it bro. I hope you enjoy yourself in the process!!

Not missing any point at all, I just disproved your point about absorption and that absorption rates can and do vary. You are not even a challenge.  

[Alexander D]

Not missing any point at all, I just disproved your point that absorption rates can and do vary. You are not even a challenge.  

Yes you are missing the point completely.

You haven't disproven anything I have said, you are going on tangents and posting circumferential evidence proving n o t h i n g.

[Disgusted]

Yes you are missing the point completely. I never said they can't and don't vary.

You haven't disproven anything I have said, you are going on tangents and posting circumferential evidence proving n o t h i n g.

What kind of surgeon are you??? No harm in telling us.

[nder98]

You can thank socialist nazi Obama