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Re: Plutocracy Now: What Wisconsin Is Really About
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2011, 01:13:46 AM »
I'm disappointed in you MB. You usually come correct on political matters.

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Re: Plutocracy Now: What Wisconsin Is Really About
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2011, 03:14:56 AM »
Someone please explain why govt unions should be allowed to exist? 

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Re: Plutocracy Now: What Wisconsin Is Really About
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2011, 03:44:08 AM »
What part of BROKE do liberals not grasp?  Its incredible, we are broke and on the verge of fiscal collapse on all levels and the second someone tries to deal with this mess, the cry babies who are sucking the most milk from the taxpayer tit start freaking out.

I really don't have an ounce of sympathy for these people. Not a drop.  They should all be fired and replaced immediatly by the millions of ue who would be grateful for those jobs.

Enough is enough already with these greedy fucking slobs. Fire em all.

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Re: Plutocracy Now: What Wisconsin Is Really About
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2011, 05:26:10 AM »
Public Unions take their blood from the tax-payer, plain and simple. Why doesn't the tax-payer, that see's NONE of union benefits, get a seat at the "negotiating" table? Times are tough, budgets are squeezed and there is no blood left to be drawn, that's the problem. Everyone wants this and that but it isn't feasible anymore, it just isn't.

I was part of a public teachers union and was at a school during a really bad drawn out contract negotiation. Problem was, the area we were in was very poor and the money situation was drying up as there is only so much pie to be divided up. The Union leadership whipped up the rank n' file into an adversarial "Us vs Them" mentality and on and on. Not one time did anyone say anything about the area being broke, the district having money problems or anything like that. Us v Them and no one looking at the big picture. They were even betting on the district getting "Stimulus" funds that were supposed to go towards school improvements and programs to come in so they could take some of it to increase our pay. Now I know you can't have shitty pay in a bad area and expect to lure teachers in, but this was helping no-one.

Is Walkers hardline stance a good thing? In my opinion there were probably other ways he could have gone about this to avoid what is happening in the capitol. But it doesn't take away from the fact that public unions are a bad and unnecessary thing and the whole system is and has been unsustainable.


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Re: Plutocracy Now: What Wisconsin Is Really About
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2011, 05:45:14 AM »
Gigantor:

Here is the problem people - and its not being discussed.   And I understand its too complicated for the left wing illiterates who have no sense of reality to know this.  They are mostly uninformed on most issues, and usually speak out of emotion, not fact. 

Most of peoples' property taxes go to fund schools, fire, police, etc.   The property taxes are a function of a mill rate as well as an assessed value.  During the boom years of R/E, most govts became flush with cash and grossly expanded their payrolls as well as the benes for public workers assuming, wrongfully of course, that prices would never go down.   They used these bogus projections to justify crazy levels of spending that became a structural part of the budget.  These costs and payrolls were unsutainable BEFORE the collapse, but as even worse now.     
   
Obama and the Dems passed that bullshit stim bill, which at best was a temp band aid under the assumption that the "recession" would only last a short period of time and that tax receipts would recover.  The same goes fo the localalities who got stim bill money and used it to mask their unsustainable budgets.  They pissed the money away and refused to adjust to reality because they all guessed we would be out of this by now.   THEY GUESSED WRONG!  we are dealing with some of the most economically illiterate people i have have seen.   

Now, back to assessments.   Assessments are usually done 2 or 3 years behind, so that people are still paying property taxes based on the boom time prices which are now not a fraction of that.  So the house hat was worth 300k during the boom is now worth 215k.  Howver, the taxpayer is still paying taxesbased upon the assessment of thehouse being worth 300k.   As soon as a reassessment is done, or if the homeowner chooses to challenge his assessment in tax certiori, KKKAAAAABBBBOOOOMMMM, that funds going to the govt from property taxes are going to collapse and be 2/3 of what they were unless there are massive tax hikes just to keep funding the current level of spending, which mostly goes to payroll, benes, and salaries for govt workers. And if they jack taxes any higher, people will leave and they will lose the tax base and make matters even worse. 

The GOP Govs know this time bomb is ticking and are tryng to get ahead of it asap.  Same with cities, towns, villages, everywhere. 

This has nothing to do with plutocracy or the other bullshit and screaming from cry babies who seem to be living in an alternate universe.  Its basic math.  We are on the brink of collapse and its not changing for the better any time soon.             

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Re: Plutocracy Now: What Wisconsin Is Really About
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2011, 06:11:40 AM »
"The GOP Govs know this time bomb is ticking and are tryng to get ahead of it asap."

No they aren't.

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Re: Plutocracy Now: What Wisconsin Is Really About
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2011, 06:16:24 AM »
"The GOP Govs know this time bomb is ticking and are tryng to get ahead of it asap."

No they aren't.

Really?   You don't think Christie and Walker are trying to deal with this mess?

What woud you propose doing?