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They are going to try to use this to take away gun rights... A couple of us said that early on... Be leery.


Of course they are - that was the point of this treason from day 1.


Agnostic can play the  "but the ATF and DOJ had the best intentions" crap all he wants.   To the rest of us, we know better.   

   


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Of course they are - that was the point of this treason from day 1.


Agnostic can play the  "but the ATF and DOJ had the best intentions" crap all he wants.   To the rest of us, we know better.   

   



If they had "the best of intentions", they would have blown the whistle on this disaster the second it was mentioned.


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Maybe this is what the POTUS meant when he promised the Bradys he was working on gun control "under the radar". Then there is the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, cartels get military grade weapons right out the back door of the Mexican Army's arms room before the ink on the 1348's are dry. So what is DOD doing about that? Nothing. The DOJ, AG holder and the Obama administration are up to eyeballs in the shit. Mexican and American citizens have dies due to this little operation and heads need to roll. And make no mistake their is going to be scape goat paraded around for all to see. Don't be fooled, this fuckup goes all the way to the top.






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Maybe this is what the POTUS meant when he promised the Bradys he was working on gun control "under the radar". Then there is the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, cartels get military grade weapons right out the back door of the Mexican Army's arms room before the ink on the 1348's are dry. So what is DOD doing about that? Nothing. The DOJ, AG holder and the Obama administration are up to eyeballs in the shit. Mexican and American citizens have dies due to this little operation and heads need to roll. And make no mistake their is going to be scape goat paraded around for all to see. Don't be fooled, this fuckup goes all the way to the top.










Funny how Obama/Hillary/Holder in 2009 were all up in this issue and giving speechs on the guns issue over the border just as this progam was getting underway. 


Coincidence?    hhhhmmmmm?   

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They are going to try to use this to take away gun rights... A couple of us said that early on... Be leery.

But if they don't, I expect you to come on here and admit you were wrong. If they do, I'll do the same. 

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But if they don't, I expect you to come on here and admit you were wrong. If they do, I'll do the same. 

They have been doing this from Day 1. 


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But if they don't, I expect you to come on here and admit you were wrong. If they do, I'll do the same. 

They can't use this now that we know the government was complicit in this shit. Here is yet another question, what jurisdiction does the DOJ have in Mexico? How exactly were they planning on tracking these weapons to the big fish if they are on Mexican soil?
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They can't use this now that we know the government was complicit in this shit. Here is yet another question, what jurisdiction does the DOJ have in Mexico? How exactly were they planning on tracking these weapons to the big fish if they are on Mexican soil?



They never had a plan to do that until the mexis reported that american guns were showing up at crime scenes and then pressing the need for AWB2, etc etc.   

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They never had a plan to do that until the mexis reported that american guns were showing up at crime scenes and then pressing the need for AWB2, etc etc.   

objection, speculation

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They have been doing this from Day 1. 



can you expound on your claim?

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can you expound on your claim?

Obama/Holder said we need to do AWB2 from day 1, Obama told Sarah Brady he was doig gun control "under the radar", ATF already tried imposig regional restrictions on border gun dealers as well as requiring long arms purchases to be registered, etc. 

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They can't use this now that we know the government was complicit in this shit. Here is yet another question, what jurisdiction does the DOJ have in Mexico? How exactly were they planning on tracking these weapons to the big fish if they are on Mexican soil?

Thats a good question. I'm not sure. I am aware that we do have a working relationship with law enforcement in Mexico and our Fugitive units work with federales to capture wanted people who flee to mexico. The mexican government has an interest in curtailing the violence so it is possible that working through similar channels they could in a collaborative effort, track the weapons

I don't know that for sure but I know we do work with them on various other fronts so it wouldn't be outrageous to believe they have resources avail on mexican soil.    


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Thats a good question. I'm not sure. I am aware that we do have a working relationship with law enforcement in Mexico and our Fugitive units work with federales to capture wanted people who flee to mexico. The mexican government has an interest in curtailing the violence so it is possible that working through similar channels they could in a collaborative effort, track the weapons

I don't know that for sure but I know we do work with them on various other fronts so it wouldn't be outrageous to believe they have resources avail on mexican soil.    



Possibly, but as usual the governments of both countries have done a bang up job  ::). People on both sides of the border have died, I'm sure the head of some agency is going to fall on their sword to protect higher ups, with the promise of an 11th hour pardon or some such shit. But we can only hope that now this is in the open, we find out exactly who knew what, and those that gave the green light are prosecuted to the fullest extent.
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Possibly, but as usual the governments of both countries have done a bang up job  ::). People on both sides of the border have died, I'm sure the head of some agency is going to fall on their sword to protect higher ups, with the promise of an 11th hour pardon or some such shit. But we can only hope that now this is in the open, we find out exactly who knew what, and those that gave the green light are prosecuted to the fullest extent.

This has Holder/Hillary/Obama written all over it.


Classical Cloward & Piven tactics.   

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Obama talks "Fast and Furious" ATF scandal
CBS News ^ | June 29, 2011 | Sharyl Attkisson


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WASHINGTON - Today at his news conference, President Obama was asked about the unfolding gunwalker scandal, and whether ATF leadership will be replaced.

Mr. Obama answered, "My attorney general has made clear that he certainly would not have ordered gun running to be able to pass through into Mexico. ... I'm not going to comment on -- a on a current investigation. I've made very clear my views that that would not be an appropriate step by the ATF, and we've got to find out how that happened."

Project Gunrunner scandal uncovered at ATF

Mr. Obama added, "As soon as the investigation is completed, I think appropriate actions will be taken."

This week, the Senate confirmed three Obama-nominated Justice Department officials in a deal that will give Congressional investigators access to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms documents that have been withheld for months. The bigger part of the deal, however, is that ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson will provide a "transcribed interview" to Republican and Democratic investigators in mid-July.

Melson is the highest-ranking official involved in the so-called gunwalker scandal to agree to be interviewed. For more than a week, Melson has resisted calls to resign from Republican members of Congress and critics. That after testimony and documents revealed he was fully briefed and engaged in the controversial plan to allow thousands of assault rifles and other weapons to be sold to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels. Investigators have been trying to figure out who knew what, when at the Justice Department, which oversees ATF. They believe Melson may be able to provide some of that information.

Agent: I was ordered to let guns into Mexico

The president has said neither he nor Attorney General Eric Holder approved the operation known as "Fast and Furious." The Inspector General, the House Oversight Committee under Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) are investigating.

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Obama talks "Fast and Furious" ATF scandal
CBS News ^ | June 29, 2011 | Sharyl Attkisson


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WASHINGTON - Today at his news conference, President Obama was asked about the unfolding gunwalker scandal, and whether ATF leadership will be replaced.

Mr. Obama answered, "My attorney general has made clear that he certainly would not have ordered gun running to be able to pass through into Mexico. ... I'm not going to comment on -- a on a current investigation. I've made very clear my views that that would not be an appropriate step by the ATF, and we've got to find out how that happened."

Project Gunrunner scandal uncovered at ATF

Mr. Obama added, "As soon as the investigation is completed, I think appropriate actions will be taken."

This week, the Senate confirmed three Obama-nominated Justice Department officials in a deal that will give Congressional investigators access to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms documents that have been withheld for months. The bigger part of the deal, however, is that ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson will provide a "transcribed interview" to Republican and Democratic investigators in mid-July.

Melson is the highest-ranking official involved in the so-called gunwalker scandal to agree to be interviewed. For more than a week, Melson has resisted calls to resign from Republican members of Congress and critics. That after testimony and documents revealed he was fully briefed and engaged in the controversial plan to allow thousands of assault rifles and other weapons to be sold to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels. Investigators have been trying to figure out who knew what, when at the Justice Department, which oversees ATF. They believe Melson may be able to provide some of that information.

Agent: I was ordered to let guns into Mexico

The president has said neither he nor Attorney General Eric Holder approved the operation known as "Fast and Furious." The Inspector General, the House Oversight Committee under Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) are investigating.


Yeah my ass, the DOJ had no idea any of this was going on. The ATF just went rouge and did all this shit on their own ::)

Told you the scape goat is already being prepared, unless we the people demand to know the facts, this will be swept under the rug.
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BOOM! 

Looks like Melson not going down alone on this.

I hope Obama and Holder end up in prison over this.   Two disgusting communist tyrants. 

 




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Good, someone needs their ass kicked over this fiasco
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House Dems Set to Demonize Gun Owners with Gunwalker Forum
Pajamas Media ^ | June 30, 2011 | Bob Owens


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Can demagoguery stymie the growing Republican investigation?

The Committee on House Oversight and Government Reform will be having a forum today on the “Gunwalker” scandal almost guaranteed to fill any observer with disgust. It will be a markedly different than the previous hearings on the scandal chaired by Rep. Darrell Issa.

The hearings two weeks ago saw Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) agents testify about their role in Operation Fast and Furious, the multi-agency scheme that allowed gun smugglers to arm Mexican drug cartels with 2,000 or more weapons as federal law enforcement officers watched. Issa’s hearings included evidence of damning emails that showed acting ATF chief Kenneth Melson to be intimately familiar with the program, which has been blamed for the deaths of two U.S. federal agents and more than 150 Mexican police and soldiers.

The ATF’s parent agency, the Department of Justice (DOJ); the Department of Homeland Security (DHS); and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) were all directly involved in the operation, which could not even have occurred without State Department approval.

But the committee forum today isn’t about what Obama administration officials in the Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security knew, or when they knew it, or about bringing those responsible for the dangerous plot to light to face accountability or possible criminal charges.

Instead, the minority forum by Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings will be a forum for gun control activists such as Brady Campaign President Paul Helmke.


In an article at the Huffington Post, Helmke lays out the goals of the minority committee forum in no uncertain terms:

If California Rep. Darrell Issa and other congressional members who are in lock-step with the NRA bosses want to get to the bottom of the ATF gun trafficking operation, they need to start looking at their own actions and lack of action. By blocking and loosening laws to prevent gun violence they, too, are culpable in ATF’s “Fast and Furious” apparent debacle.

The gun control advocate very clearly indicates that seeking out those responsible for signing off on this reprehensible and possibly criminal operation is not the purpose of his appearance at the Democrat-led meeting.

Helmke instead seeks to shift the blame for the government’s deadly decisions onto the National Rifle Association (NRA), American gun owners, and the Republican and Democratic lawmakers who will not pass the laundry list of anti-gun legislation that has long been on the Brady Foundation’s list of legislative priorities.

In all practical respects, Helmke’s appearance has nothing to do with Gunwalker, and everything to do with demagoguery. It is safe to assume that the other anti-gun organizations that will attend the forum are likewise interested more in proselytizing than fact-finding or demanding accountability.


So why has Congressman Cummings called this forum?

It is, sadly, a combination of grandstanding and defensive politics.

Cummings is a gun control advocate, and has been for quite some time — a position no doubt hardened by the murder of his nephew in April. But Cummings is also the ranking member of the Democratic delegation to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and was a member in the previous Congress where calls to clean up the organization by other whistleblowers had been ignored.

The primary reason Cummings is calling this forum was clearly indicated in his actions earlier this year, when he refused to sign a letter to President Obama asking the White House to direct the Department of Justice to cooperate with the Gunwalker investigation. At the time the Oversight Committee had authored the letter asking the president to compel DOJ officials to provide documents relating to the scandal to the committee. Cummings refused to sign the letter asking for the evidence, which all other Democrats on the committee did.


Cummings’ aide defended his actions by claiming:

The Justice Department (DOJ) had recently been cooperating very well with Issa’s subpoena for documents relating to the gun-tracking operation.

“It’s not consistent with what we’ve been experiencing with DOJ,” the aide said. “As of late they’ve been cooperating and showing us documents and pulling together documents in response to the subpoena, so I can’t imagine that given what we know about the investigation that we would have signed a letter saying that DOJ was not cooperating.”

The assertion by Cummings’ aide that the DOJ ever cooperated with the Oversight Committee is a blatant falsehood. It is a statement of a party loyalist attempting to shield his president and by extension, the Democratic Party, as much as possible from expected Gunwalker fallout.

The reams of heavily redacted “black paper” submitted by the Justice Department to the Oversight Committee stood in stark contrast to the congressman’s claims of cooperation. In addition to sending useless blacked-out pages, the Department of Justice supplied just one witness to the Oversight Committee hearings — an official from a separate branch of the Justice Department from the Criminal Division that was the conduit to the ATF on Gunwalker. It was a bit of brinksmanship that allowed the DOJ to make the disgraceful if accurate claim that they did send “someone” to the Oversight hearings, even though that “someone” had the explicit job of saying “I don’t know” repeatedly.

Instead of seeking answers from those Obama administration officials who are culpable for a rogue government program that has left cops, soldiers, and civilians dead, the congressman from Baltimore will use his position in order to provide airtime to those who would place blame at the feet of American citizens.


There may be a more disreputable role for a congressman to play during such a scandal, but I’m finding it hard to think of one.






Typical Dem lib pofs. 

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But if they don't, I expect you to come on here and admit you were wrong. If they do, I'll do the same. 

Sure...

Let's see what happens. It looks like the House Democrats are trying shit already.

Notice the previous post. ;)

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Sure...

Let's see what happens. It looks like the House Democrats are trying shit already.

Notice the previous post. ;)

Most "law enforcement" people i have met are against the 2nd amendent for private people unless it involves a locked up double barrell shotgun only suited for ducks that takes 2 minutes to load. 

   

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Re: AG Eric Holder - FAIL
« Reply #246 on: June 30, 2011, 03:05:56 PM »
DOJ Orders Protection Of “Language Minority Populations”
Judicial Watch ^ | June 30, 2011


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Obama’s Department of Justice has ordered Colorado to protect the interests of “language minority populations” by strengthening a Court Interpreter Oversight Committee that assures immigrants who don’t speak English get free translators.

The new DOJ mandate also applies to civil cases, which means that U.S. taxpayers will fund interpreting services for foreigners who may stand to make settlement money. Under the agreement, announced this week, the Colorado Judicial Department will also develop “state and local language access plans” that address “both oral interpretation and the translation of vital written documents.”

A revitalized state Court Interpreter Oversight Committee will be expanded to include an attorney, prosecutor, public defender and an “advocate” representing the interests of the “language minority populations,” according to the DOJ’s order.

Interpreters have always been provided in criminal cases and in civil cases in which litigants were indigent. The new DOJ accord mandates free access to “timely and competent language assistance” for all “limited English proficient individuals” in all cases. This won’t come cheap. Colorado’s court system already spends nearly $4 million on 25 full-time interpreters and 300 contractors who provide services in 75 different languages.

The assistant attorney general that President Obama appointed to run the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division (Thomas Perez) says it’s essential because “justice cannot be served without access and effective communication.” Perez is a known open-borders advocate who served on the board of a controversial, taxpayer-funded day laborer center (Casa de Maryland) that assists illegal immigrants.

Last year Perez lied to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission to cover up that political leadership was involved in the dismissal of the voter intimidation case against the New Black Panther Party. Judicial Watch obtained records that prove top political appointees were intimately involved in the decision to drop charges against the radical black revolutionary group for bullying voters with racial insults, profanity and weapons during the 2008 presidential election.

A former Maryland Labor Secretary, Perez has made a number of controversial moves at the DOJ to protect illegal immigrants and minorities in general. Last fall he sued a public college system for discrimination because it requires job applicants to furnish proof of residency before getting hired and earlier this year he launched an initiative to eliminate written tests that discriminate against minorities in the workplace.



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Re: AG Eric Holder - FAIL
« Reply #247 on: June 30, 2011, 03:39:30 PM »
Holder, Napalitano (Big Sis), Geither, Salazar, Sebelius, should all be fired due to total incompetency.  Obama's cabinet is such a joke.

Fired my ass they should be prosecuted! I for one am fed up with government officials getting to walk when they have broken the law.
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Re: AG Eric Holder - FAIL
« Reply #248 on: June 30, 2011, 09:35:24 PM »
Shocking new documents detail DOJ’s reasons for releasing Marxist bomber
The Daily Caller ^ | 7/1/11 | Matthew Boyle -
Posted on July 1, 2011 12:34:17 AM EDT by Nachum

Newly released documents show that the Department of Justice (DOJ) allowed for the release of Marxist radical and domestic terrorist Marilyn Buck from federal prison because officials believed she learned her lesson and had “expressed a dramatic change from her previous political philosophy.”

These new documents, obtained by investigative journalist Cliff Kincaid’s America’s Survival organization, shed more light on why Holder’s officials decided to release Buck, a convicted radical left-wing domestic terrorist.

“Incredibly, Buck’s attorney, Soffiyah Elijah, cited Buck’s ‘Master of Fine Arts in Poetics,’ completed behind bars, as evidence that she deserved parole. It’s a fraud and a racket,” Kincaid said at an America’s Survival event on Tuesday, adding that the poems Buck wrote “are not just terrible poetry but evidence of the same kind of murderous communist political ideology she was incarcerated for.”

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The Gun Walker Pushback - The scandal which can no longer be ignored.
Human Events ^ | 06/30/2011 | John Hayward
Posted on June 30, 2011 7:16:47 PM EDT by neverdem

One of the whistleblowers who brought the massive “Gun Walker” scandal to light, ATF Special Agent Vince Cefalu, was terminated after a thirty-year career last week… the day after House Oversight chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) sent a warning letter to the Bureau, demanding a promise that there would be no retaliatory firings of whistleblowers.

Ironically, one of the reasons given for Cefalu’s termination was “a lack of candor.” He was previously turned into a desk ornament for daring to become a “vocal critic” of an illegal wiretap. Since he spoke up about Gun Walker, he spent most of his time “changing batteries or filling cars with gas.” He has described “Operation Fast and Furious,” designed to flood Mexico with American guns, as a violation of the law, maintaining “there was no intent to follow the guns… this never had a chance of succeeding.”

It doesn’t sound like Cefalu suffers from a lack of candor. Perhaps he’s recalcitrant by the boisterous standards of the ATF, where things are rowdy due to all the alcohol and tobacco.

Meanwhile, the Washington Post – so helpful to the Administration at key moments in the Gun Walker saga – ran an astonishing editorial this week, in which they tried to finger the gun-rights lobby as the true culprit behind this rogue ATF operation. The Post mourned the “reductions in the ATF’s meager budget” and restricted “ability to share information with other law enforcement agencies” brought about by the NRA and certain lawmakers, who are “concerned to the point of paranoia about the erosion of the constitutional right to keep and bear arms.”

You know what is demonstrably not paranoia? The fear that you’ll be walking down a street in Mexico and get blown away by a gun supplied by the Bureau of Alcohol,...

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