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Re: AG Eric Holder - FAIL
« Reply #250 on: June 30, 2011, 09:53:29 PM »
Holder is going to be shown to have committed perjury.  Jail his ass. 





Ant time a person pretends not to hear something when it's pretty obvious that its very clear, you know they are full of shit.

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FOX NEWS is running a great piece on it.

no, wait...

they're bashing 'media matters' all morning.

Sorry.  Priorities, baby!  We have definititive proof our taxpayer dollars are funding the arming of drug gangs - undeniable proof.  And it's partisan booolshite as always.

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FOX NEWS is running a great piece on it.

no, wait...

they're bashing 'media matters' all morning.

Sorry.  Priorities, baby!  We have definititive proof our taxpayer dollars are funding the arming of drug gangs - undeniable proof.  And it's partisan booolshite as always.

Funny, cause morning joe only had on that piece of trash cummings to talk about the need for more gun control in all of this.   

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Funny, cause morning joe only had on that piece of trash cummings to talk about the need for more gun control in all of this.   

agreed.... morning joe and fox n friends are both pieces of shit, compliant with the obama agenda.

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FUCKING WOW!!!!!!

IMPEACH OBAMA/HOLDER/HILLARY/MELSON AND DISBAND ATF ASAP.

AND FUCK YOU WHOEVER STILL WANTS GUN CONTROL FOR REGULAR LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. 


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Weapons linked to controversial ATF strategy found in Valley crimes
   
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PHOENIX - Weapons linked to a questionable government strategy are turning up in crimes in Valley neighborhoods.

For months the ABC15 Investigators have been searching through police reports and official government documents. We’ve discovered assault weapons linked to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ controversial "Fast and Furious" case strategy have turned up at crime scenes in Glendale and Phoenix communities.


THE HISTORY

Phoenix ATF agents recently testified during a Congressional hearing that they knowingly allowed weapons to slip into the hands of straw buyers who would then distribute the weapons to known criminals.

The strategy was designed to lead ATF officials to key drug players in Mexico, but some agents admitted they never fully tracked the weapons after suspicious buyers purchased them.

“It made no sense to us either, it was just what we were ordered to do, and every time we questioned that order there was punitive action,” Phoenix Special Agent John Dodson testified.

According to the testimony of three Phoenix ATF agents, including Dodson, hundreds of weapons are now on the streets in the United States and Mexico, possibly in the hands of criminals.

Dodson estimated the number could be as many as 1,800 weapons.

“…Fast and Furious was one case from one group in one field division,” he testified. He estimated agents in the Phoenix field division “facilitated the sale of” approximately 2,500 weapons to straw purchasers. A few hundred have been recovered.

THE ABC15 INVESTIGATION

Dodson guessed the majority of the missing weapons are in Mexico.

“I believe that these firearms will continue to turn up at crime scenes on both sides of the border for years to come,” testified Phoenix Special Agent Peter Forcelli.

Weapons linked to the strategy have been turning up at dangerous and deadly crime scenes near both sides of the border, including the murder scene of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, who was killed last December.

The ABC15 Investigators uncovered documents showing guns connected to at least two Glendale criminal cases and at least two Phoenix criminal cases also appear in the ATF’s Suspect Gun Database, a sort-of watch list for suspicious gun sales.

All four cases involve drug-related offenses. In one Glendale police report dated July 2010, police investigators working with DEA agents served search warrants at homes near 75th and Glendale avenues in Glendale, and 43rd and Glendale avenues in Phoenix as part of a “large scale marijuana trafficking” investigation.

Police investigators reported they “obtained information that members of the (trafficking) organization were using the homes…as stash houses used to store large amounts of marijuana temporarily.”

They reported finding hundreds of pounds of marijuana, more than $63,000 in U.S. currency and three guns inside the homes. One of the recovered weapons, a Romarm/Cugir WASR-10 rifle, appeared in an official ATF Suspect Gun Summary document in November 2009, proving agents knowingly allowed the suspicious gun sale, months before the weapon turned up at the crime scene.

In a separate Glendale Police Department case, dated November 2010, detectives discovered “bulk marijuana and weapons” inside a residence near 75th Avenue and Bethany Home Road in Glendale. Investigators recovered nearly 400 pounds of drugs and several firearms from the home.

One of the recovered weapons, another Romarm/Cugir WASR-10 rifle, appeared in an official ATF Suspect Gun Summary document in February 2010.

PHOENIX CASES

The two Phoenix cases, also connected to drugs, occurred in March and August 2010.

In the August case, Phoenix officers conducted a traffic stop near 83rd Avenue and McDowell Road in Phoenix. They discovered marijuana and an AK-47 in the driver’s trunk as well as other weapons.

One of the suspects explained he purchased the Romarm/Cugir Draco weapon for $600 on the street, but he wouldn’t reveal from whom he purchased the gun. ATF documents show the weapon had been entered into the ATF Suspect Gun Database in January 2010.

Officers recovered an FN Herstal Five-Seven weapon in the March case. During that ongoing drug investigation, near 43rd Avenue and Camelback Road in Phoenix, officers had been conducting surveillance after receiving information that a suspect was selling methamphetamine and marijuana.

CONGRESSIONAL LEADER RESPONDS

“With people like you down there in Arizona investigating this,” said Sen. Chuck Grassley, (R-Iowa), “and with Congressman Issa and this Senator on the case, they know we’re not going to give up.”

Grassley has been demanding information from ATF leaders, trying to determine who had knowledge of the controversial strategy and when they knew.

His staff also sent public records requests to every sheriff’s department in Arizona and several local Valley departments, requesting information about weapons that have turned up at Valley crime scenes that may have been connected to the Fast and Furious operation.

“Who knows where they’re going to end up,” Grassley said. “There’s ample evidence – even besides your own investigation – that they’ve been used in crimes on this side of the border, but how many? I can’t give you a figure.”

ATF RESPONSE

ATF representatives denied ABC15’s open records request for documents showing other weapons connected to the Fast and Furious case that may have been involved in other crimes in the United States.

They also denied our request for an interview, saying the case is still under investigation.

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Possibly, but as usual the governments of both countries have done a bang up job  ::). People on both sides of the border have died, I'm sure the head of some agency is going to fall on their sword to protect higher ups, with the promise of an 11th hour pardon or some such shit. But we can only hope that now this is in the open, we find out exactly who knew what, and those that gave the green light are prosecuted to the fullest extent.

Just based on history, even when and if we find out who knew what when, there will be little or no accountability. That is just how the US government rolls...

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Most "law enforcement" people i have met are against the 2nd amendent for private people unless it involves a locked up double barrell shotgun only suited for ducks that takes 2 minutes to load. 

   

Most I have met support citizens rights to own guns. I guess we just don't know the same cops.

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Just based on history, even when and if we find out who knew what when, there will be little or no accountability. That is just how the US government rolls...

Aren't you a government employee?

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Aren't you a government employee?

City...

City Government has its issues, but it is typically Varsity VS. NFL when compared to Federal Government corruption and accountability.

And you can even localize lack of accountability to the higher you are in government, the less accountability.

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when I was 21 or 22... every cop that stopped me treated me like shit for having a legally concealed weapon.

now that i'm in mid 30s, they've very cool and respectable about it.  Dunno why the change.  One time, when stopped, the cop emptied my magazine and handed me back a handful of rounds - said this way I'd have to thumbload them all before I took a shot at them.  WTF?

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when I was 21 or 22... every cop that stopped me treated me like shit for having a legally concealed weapon.

now that i'm in mid 30s, they've very cool and respectable about it.  Dunno why the change.  One time, when stopped, the cop emptied my magazine and handed me back a handful of rounds - said this way I'd have to thumbload them all before I took a shot at them.  WTF?

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When the “fall guy” won’t “fall”: Melson will testify before Senate “Fast and Furious” Committee
coachisright.com ^ | July 1, 2011 | Doug Book, staff writer


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Barack Obama has spent a political lifetime profiting from underhanded deals made with one or another fellow incarnation of the devil.

So in 2009, when Obama appointed Ken Melson to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, he once again did what arrogant, would-be dictators do…he made a criminally irresponsible deal with a fellow egotist and power hungry usurper.

Melson had spent 12 years as a director of the American Society of Crime Laboratory Directors/Laboratory Accreditation Board, lecturing throughout the nation on the wisdom of giving his organization absolute authority over procedural, ethical and certification requirements governing forensic labs in the United States.

So upon Melson’s appointment to the ATF, Obama created the White House Subcommittee on Forensic Science, designating Melson a co-chair with authority over staffing and agenda. Armed with the power and prestige of a supportive President, Melson could now dictate policy to forensics practitioners across the nation.

And in return for this little fringe benefit, Melson had only to manage the ATF’s Operation Fast and Furious. And that was quite simple. Just place a few thousand guns in criminal hands, ensure their safe conduct across the Mexican border and keep track of the body count as the weapons appeared at crime scenes throughout two countries.

The purpose: keep Obama’s gun-grabbing base happy by manufacturing an outcry for more restrictive gun legislation in the U.S.

But now that Fast and Furious has been exposed and a number of its illegally trafficked rifles linked to the deaths of two American federal agents, the Obama regime needs a fall guy. And Melson is tailor made for…..


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Good, now maybe the real story will get out and all responsible can get burned.
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when I was 21 or 22... every cop that stopped me treated me like shit for having a legally concealed weapon.

now that i'm in mid 30s, they've very cool and respectable about it.  Dunno why the change.  One time, when stopped, the cop emptied my magazine and handed me back a handful of rounds - said this way I'd have to thumbload them all before I took a shot at them.  WTF?

Something to consider..

I've been in the career field a long time. I've witnessed an evolution of attitude or mentality in the cop field. Things are a LOT different now than they were even 10 yrs ago. IF you compared a roll call briefing today to 10 yrs ago it would be much different. Today verses 20 yrs ago would be night and day. 20 yrs ago racial slurs, gender slurs, alternative lifestyle slurs and jokes were common. Today you don't hear any of that.

20 yrs ago ex military, jock type cops were all the rage, today, college educated people who have cultural diversity experience and life experiences are in vogue.

Probably has some to do with your age, some to do with the evolution of policing   

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The Strange Priorities of Ken Melson [Project Gunrunner]
BulletPath ^ | June 20, 2011 | Amy Driver


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As the head of the agency responsible for a gun smuggling operation that has caused the deaths of at least two U.S. law enforcement officers, at least one Mexican soldier and scores of innocent civilians, you would think that Ken Melson would keep a low profile. He is, after all, facing indictment on contempt charges from congress for not responding to their subpoenas for information on the gun smuggling operation he has been overseeing.


But he’s Ken Melson. And he has more important things to do.

He’s Too… What’s the word?

I am very late in covering this corner of Ken Melson’s wide, wide world of questionable motives and self-serving choices. I’m usually kept busy by the mountain of material provided by the pathological lack of ethics of Melson and his merry band of wannabes at the ASCLDs (those associated with the American Society of Crime Laboratory Directors).

Over the past 10 months or so, many things have come to light about Ken Melson’s dubious doings, including


Information presented on this website about the efforts Ken Melson has made during his tenure at the ATF to advocate the takeover of the forensic science system in the US by him and his associates at ASCLD/LAB who recently defended the practice of corrupt crime labs withholding evidence to put innocent people in prison,

Information provided on CleanUpATF.org and SipseyStreetIrregulars that exposed the illegal gun smuggling operation that Ken Melson was running at the ATF known as Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast & Furious, and all that came after with that,

And, finally, documentation and testimony provided by ATF agents that proved that Ken Melson was not only aware of the gun smuggling operation known as Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast & Furious, but was deeply involved in managing it.
[End of the article:]

And on June 3, 2011, just a few days before Brian Terry’s family and those ATF agents sat before the House Oversight Committee to tell their stories, Ken Melson was in New York making his case for himself and the ASCLD/LAB status quo at the American Bar Association’s Prescription for Criminal Justice Forensics.

Ken Melson has never spoken to or cooperated with any of the members of congress who have been trying to find out exactly what the point was of letting firearms just “walk” into the hands of drug cartels. And he hasn’t even had the decency to sit quietly in his office to weather the storm.

Instead, Ken Melson has been out and about slamming legislation from the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee because it doesn’t fit his personal agenda, making presentations that promote the best interests of him and his friends to the detriment of the rest of the country, and acting like he hasn’t got a care in the world.

Hopefully Ken Melson’s little party will come screeching to a halt very soon. He deserves prison. But guys like him are always surrounded by friends who are equally unburdened by a conscience to make sure they get away unscathed.


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This entire admn needs to be sent to prison.   

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City...

City Government has its issues, but it is typically Varsity VS. NFL when compared to Federal Government corruption and accountability.

And you can even localize lack of accountability to the higher you are in government, the less accountability.

Government at all levels is still government... You are still a government employee.

US government is just larger so more shit can be swept away... The corruption doesn't change, just how much it's caught.

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Something to consider..

I've been in the career field a long time. I've witnessed an evolution of attitude or mentality in the cop field. Things are a LOT different now than they were even 10 yrs ago. IF you compared a roll call briefing today to 10 yrs ago it would be much different. Today verses 20 yrs ago would be night and day. 20 yrs ago racial slurs, gender slurs, alternative lifestyle slurs and jokes were common. Today you don't hear any of that.

20 yrs ago ex military, jock type cops were all the rage, today, college educated people who have cultural diversity experience and life experiences are in vogue.

Probably has some to do with your age, some to do with the evolution of policing    

very good points here.  

i know some folks laugh at the pussification of things today with diversity and ethics training - but I can attest the fact they're a lot less pricks these days.  I also remember a cop telling me if she heard another word from me, she'd give me a seat belt ticket too (and i was wearing one! LOL)

totally hated her.  i remember her name to this day.

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Government at all levels is still government... You are still a government employee.

US government is just larger so more shit can be swept away... The corruption doesn't change, just how much it's caught.


using your criteria, then I have to conclude governments are not corrupt, because I am not corrupt.

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very good points here.  

i know some folks laugh at the pussification of things today with diversity and ethics training - but I can attest the fact they're a lot less pricks these days.  I also remember a cop telling me if she heard another word from me, she'd give me a seat belt ticket too (and i was wearing one! LOL)

totally hated her.  i remember her name to this day.

When I was 16, I was with a buddy and it was 2 in the morning. We stopped to buy a coke from a machine and the machine ripped us off. We rocked it a bit trying to get a soda to drop but otherwise did no damage to the machine. Someone called in that we were burglarizing the machine. Before I knew it we had 4 cop cars behind us pulling us over. We got out at gun point and I told them what had happened. They took us to the police station and sent another cop to check the machine.

While there they treated us like crap. Disrespectful, obnoxious and unprofessional. Even when they found out story to be true they didn't care. By the time they let us go I was seeing red.

Turns out it was a catalyst to how I did things as a cop. I swore I wouldn't be like those guys and I never have. I had other run ins with the cops from that department and they were just unprofessional, poorly trained and living in the past as far as policing goes. I've been fortunate in that I realized not all cops were like that and departments differ greatly from place to place in training and professionalism. But for the most part, they do the best they can with the training they have.


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using your criteria, then I have to conclude governments are not corrupt, because I am not corrupt.

Actually, a more accurate conclusion would be that while there are people inside of government that are not corrupt... Governments as a whole, are.

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Actually, a more accurate conclusion would be that while there are people inside of government that are not corrupt... Governments as a whole, are.

Small town governments are corrupt the same as the federal government? I dont buy the premise by virtue of having government in the name, you're corrupt

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Small town governments are corrupt the same as the federal government? I dont buy the premise by virtue of having government in the name, you're corrupt

Ever been to Illinois ;D
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Funny how team kneepad has not said a word about obamas deadly incompetence. 

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Funny how team kneepad has not said a word about obamas deadly incompetence. 

And no one has addressed the pink unicorns orbiting mars either

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And no one has addressed the pink unicorns orbiting mars either

clearly, team kneepad supports this wasteful use of orbital gravity.