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"Fast and Furious" Scandal Making Cops, Citizens Furious Fast
Right Side News ^ | 7/12/2011 | Jim Kouri






When the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee and the Senate Judiciary Committee released a report -- “The Department of Justice’s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents -- it infuriated law enforcement officers and American citizens across the country.

One police commander in New Jersey told Law Enforcement Examiner, "We need to get to the bottom of this renegade operation fast. I am furious that our government actually contributed to the killing of two American law enforcement officers -- one in the U.S., the other in Mexico."

The at times shocking report includes testimony from four Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) agents offering firsthand accounts about the controversial Operation Fast and Furious that allowed suspects to walk away with illegally purchased guns.

The gunrunners reportedly smuggled the weapons into Mexico and the agents, who were supposed to conduct surveillance, lost track of the suspected gun smugglers and the weapons which are believed to still be in the hands of Mexican drug cartel members.

"This is a prime example of an administration that is clueless in running a law enforcement operation," said former intelligence officer and police detective Mike Snopes.

"[Attorney General Eric] Holder and his minions are being deceptive in this case claiming they were unaware of the operation," said Snopes.

Two of the approximately 2,000 guns that ATF let criminals walk away with were found at the murder scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010.

“ATF agents have shared chilling accounts of being ordered to stand down as criminals in Arizona walked away with guns headed for Mexican drug cartels,” said Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House committee investigating the government snafu.

“With the clinical precision of a lab experiment, the Justice Department kept records of weapons they let walk and the crime scenes where they next appeared. To the agents’ shock, preventing loss of life was not the primary concern,” said Congressman Issa.

“These agents have risked their lives working for the ATF and they’ve risked their careers by coming forward to speak the truth about a dangerous strategy that was doomed from the start,” Senator Chuck Grassley said.

“Th[is] report shows the street agents’ perspective on this risky policy to let guns walk. It should help people who are wondering what really happened during Operation Fast and Furious understand why we are continuing to investigate.”

"Transparency appears to be in short supply in the Obama Administration these days. I know that dozens of FOIA requests go unanswered and investigators seeking information usually must watch the 'Washington two-step' before seeing any progress made on their requests for information," said political strategist and attorney Mike Baker.

According to Baker, highlights of the Congressional report include:

The supervisor of Operation Fast and Furious was “jovial, if not, not giddy but just delighted about” walked guns showing up at crime scenes in Mexico according to an ATF agent.

Another ATF agent told the committee about a prediction he made a year ago that “someone was going to die” and that the gun-walking operation would be the subject of a Congressional investigation.

The shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords created a “state of panic” within the group conducting the operation as they initially feared a “walked” gun might have been used.

One Operation Fast and Furious Agent: “I cannot see anyone who has one iota of concern for human life being okay with this …”

An ATF agent predicted to committee investigators that more deaths will occur as a result of Operation Fast and Furious.

Multiple agents told the committee that continued assertions by Department of Justice Officials that guns were not knowingly “walked” and that DOJ tried to stop their transport to Mexico are clearly untruthful.

While President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder denied knowledge of the operation, according to law enforcement sources, the rationale for the operation that went awry was that Attorney General Holder and his staff at the Justice Department wanted to show proof of his, and other Obama administration officials', statements that the majority of firearms used by Mexican drug cartels originated in the United States and are smuggled into that drug war-torn country.

"The aim is to use the violence and death south of the border to take away Americans' Second Amendment rights to own and bear arms," said former police officer Edie Aguino.

In addition, investigation into this and other actions by President Barack Obama, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and the U.S. Department of Justice show that they knowingly distort figures to hide from federal lawmakers, state political leaders, and the American people the rampant corruption in this nation’s immigration court system as well, according to a Beltway watchdog group.

Adding insult to injury, U.S. taxpayers finance the enormous number of court appeals filed by illegal immigrants -- through their taxpayer financed legal counsel deported -- for criminal convictions and fraudulent marriages.

The suspected pervasive corruption allows deportable aliens to evade hearings without consequences and permits more than 1 million removal orders to be ignored by the Obama Administration, say officials with Judicial Watch, a public-interest group that investigates public and political corruption.

From 2000 to 2007, Americans doled out $30 million for aliens’ court costs, according to a new report from a former immigration court judge -- Mark H. Metcalf -- in south Florida, considered a hotbed within the immigration system.

The veteran jurist says the nation’s immigration courts, which are operated by the DOJ, are ruled by deception and disorder and are at the heart of a system that nurtures scandal. About 250 overwhelmed judges preside over hundreds of thousands of cases annually and rarely are their deportation orders enforced, according to Judicial Watch.

Even after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, 50% of all aliens who were free pending trial disappeared, according to figures provided in the judge’s report. Between 2005 and 2006 the number of aliens who failed to appear at their court hearing grew to 59%.

The Government Accountability Office's report on visa holders states that up to four million aliens remain in the country illegally once their visas expire.

Further, officials at Judicial watch revealed that the DOJ deceptively reported the figure as “only” 39% by combining aliens who were free pending trial with those in custody who were forced by authorities to appear in court. That allowed the so-called bail-jumpers to appear as a smaller part of a bigger overall figure.

The GAO told Congress that immigration courts rule in favor of aliens only 20% of the time when in fact its 60% and that aliens appeal deportation orders in only 8% of cases when the figure is actually 98%. Many more examples are included in the judge’s report, which refers to the DOJ’s findings and statistics as a sham.

“Accuracy, credibility, relevance, and timeliness elude this agency and the flow of believable statistics to the public,” it says. Judge Metcalf suggested that Congress order its investigative arm, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) to conduct an in-depth probe.

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Gunwalker probe points to DOJ (Fast and Furious)
cbsnews.com ^ | 7/13/11 | Chris Scholl


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Two Republican congressman investigating ATF's controversial "Fast and Furious" program said yesterday "senior officials at the Department of Justice" were "unquestionably aware" of the operation.

In a letter yesterday to Attorney General Eric Holder, Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) and Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) demanded copies of all communications among a dozen top DOJ officials in what they called "this reckless program."

Their allegations are among the most serious yet in the unfolding gunwalker scandal, in which ATF allowed thousands of weapons to be smuggled south of the border directly into the hands of the drug cartels.


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What do you realistically think will happen as a result of this inquiry? I get the feeling you are thinking Holder and Obama will somehow be held responsible..

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What do you realistically think will happen as a result of this inquiry? I get the feeling you are thinking Holder and Obama will somehow be held responsible..

they won't be...  just doesn't happen.  presidents do whatever the #$@#&^ they want, and they get away with it.  You can probably cite examples of illegal shit done by every president for the last 30 years.  Even Nixon, caught red handed, wasn't prosecuted because it was bad for the country to prosecute a president.

obama and holder walk on this... if you don't like it, go back in time and complain about the other presidents first.  Accepting their BS just gave obama the green light to do the same.

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they won't be...  just doesn't happen.  presidents do whatever the #$@#&^ they want, and they get away with it.  You can probably cite examples of illegal shit done by every president for the last 30 years.  Even Nixon, caught red handed, wasn't prosecuted because it was bad for the country to prosecute a president.

obama and holder walk on this... if you don't like it, go back in time and complain about the other presidents first.  Accepting their BS just gave obama the green light to do the same.


Disagree - I predict Holder steps down at least and obama is dogged on this for years once a special prosecutor is appointed. 



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Disagree - I predict Holder steps down at least and obama is dogged on this for years once a special prosecutor is appointed. 

'dogged for years' isn't that big a deal.  Nothing sexy about this scandal.  no BJs with blue dresses.  Drudge is making fun of Barry for pouting, and FOX news is making fun of extinct coloring books, a supermodel story, and Obama drama.

Until 'the media" gives a shit, this ain't watergate, bro.

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they won't be...  just doesn't happen.  presidents do whatever the #$@#&^ they want, and they get away with it.  You can probably cite examples of illegal shit done by every president for the last 30 years.  Even Nixon, caught red handed, wasn't prosecuted because it was bad for the country to prosecute a president.

obama and holder walk on this... if you don't like it, go back in time and complain about the other presidents first.  Accepting their BS just gave obama the green light to do the same.

Just asking because of the intensity of the updates and statements which seem to say that this is going to rock the nation, heads are going to roll etc etc.

 

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'dogged for years' isn't that big a deal.  Nothing sexy about this scandal.  no BJs with blue dresses.  Drudge is making fun of Barry for pouting, and FOX news is making fun of extinct coloring books, a supermodel story, and Obama drama.

Until 'the media" gives a shit, this ain't watergate, bro.

 ::)  ::) 

Yeah who cares if hundreds die as a result of you cult leaders' bs? 

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Just asking because of the intensity of the updates and statements which seem to say that this is going to rock the nation, heads are going to roll etc etc.

 

and every day that passes - we learn more, and more, and more, and more, and more,

Issa and Grassley are doing this perfectly. 

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Disagree - I predict Holder steps down at least and obama is dogged on this for years once a special prosecutor is appointed. 




I would be surprised.

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::)  ::) 

Yeah who cares if hundreds die as a result of you cult leaders' bs? 

oh, are we now debating morals?  move to religious board please.

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oh, are we now debating morals?  move to religious board please.

No, its people like you who make me fucking sick.   you could care less what your messiah and cum sock does.   

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No, its people like you who make me fucking sick.   you could care less what your messiah and cum sock does.   

i've said obama/holder belong in prison for this.

i've also said that it's business as usual, i predict they'll get away with it.

the only thing we're arguing about now is... "240 doesn't care enough".  ???

i've said the dude belongs in prison.  I've said he'll get away with it.  Doesn't make it right.  Real life ain't always right/wrong... bad guys get away with shit in real life, homie.

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i've said obama/holder belong in prison for this.

i've also said that it's business as usual, i predict they'll get away with it.

the only thing we're arguing about now is... "240 doesn't care enough".  ???

i've said the dude belongs in prison.  I've said he'll get away with it.  Doesn't make it right.  Real life ain't always right/wrong... bad guys get away with shit in real life, homie.

The only reason he will get away with these murders and deaths is because more people like yourself shrug your shoulders and never say a peep to your reps. 

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The only reason he will get away with these murders and deaths is because more people like yourself shrug your shoulders and never say a peep to your reps. 

do you really think our reps do anything but follow marching orders?

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do you really think our reps do anything but follow marching orders?

If there is enough pressure?  Yes. 

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Crazy story.  Seems akin to when Police let drug dealers walk to monitor where they are getting their drugs from.  Can take years and lots of lives lost to addiction before they even make a move. 

The story should be about changing the way police go about seeking justice.  It is too much about big fish and not enough about catching criminals.  Sadly it can lead to things like this - two dead Americans.
Abandon every hope...

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Crazy story.  Seems akin to when Police let drug dealers walk to monitor where they are getting their drugs from.  Can take years and lots of lives lost to addiction before they even make a move. 

The story should be about changing the way police go about seeking justice.  It is too much about big fish and not enough about catching criminals.  Sadly it can lead to things like this - two dead Americans.

Mexico is now saying hundreds dead, and ATF still has no idea where thousands of rifles are. 

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Mexico is now saying hundreds dead, and ATF still has no idea where thousands of rifles are. 

I guess it started out thinking it could track everything and it would be an easy bust, follow the gun and you get your man.  Not the case in the seedy underworld of third world countries.  This would make a great work of fiction. 

Perhaps the ATF should 'chip' the rifles they intend to sell or make them explode on the user.  Then set up a sign saying "free guns".

Abandon every hope...

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I guess it started out thinking it could track everything and it would be an easy bust, follow the gun and you get your man.  Not the case in the seedy underworld of third world countries.  This would make a great work of fiction. 

Perhaps the ATF should 'chip' the rifles they intend to sell or make them explode on the user.  Then set up a sign saying "free guns".



The worst part is that gun dealers notified the ATF of some of these scumbags and the ATF forced the dealers to go forward with the sales based on promises that the straw purchasers would be arrested. 

The straw purchasers were never arrested and many of these guns ended up at crime scenes. 

And seriously - without a GPS device - h0w exactly could they possibly trace these weapons. 

Another thing - ok -the guns got sold by the dealers at ATF request - but how did they get over the border? 

Did customs look the other way?  Were the walked over the border?     

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The worst part is that gun dealers notified the ATF of some of these scumbags and the ATF forced the dealers to go forward with the sales based on promises that the straw purchasers would be arrested. 

The straw purchasers were never arrested and many of these guns ended up at crime scenes. 

And seriously - without a GPS device - h0w exactly could they possibly trace these weapons. 

Another thing - ok -the guns got sold by the dealers at ATF request - but how did they get over the border? 

Did customs look the other way?  Were the walked over the border?     

I would imagine if they can smuggle millions of tons of drugs across, not to mention people, they could smuggle a few AK's. 

My guess would be they hoped they would be able to follow the buyer of the weapons and see him off sell in the United States.  Or maybe they intended them to be used in Mexico and see how far down they would get and to which gangs.  That way they could draw up a map so to speak, showing who the guns are getting to and from which buyers from the gun stores.  Hoping perhaps to gain some traction in the war on drugs.  Not a very responsible mode of going about it. 
Abandon every hope...

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I would imagine if they can smuggle millions of tons of drugs across, not to mention people, they could smuggle a few AK's. 

My guess would be they hoped they would be able to follow the buyer of the weapons and see him off sell in the United States.  Or maybe they intended them to be used in Mexico and see how far down they would get and to which gangs.  That way they could draw up a map so to speak, showing who the guns are getting to and from which buyers from the gun stores.  Hoping perhaps to gain some traction in the war on drugs.  Not a very responsible mode of going about it. 

Did they think the guns would never be used?   LOL.     

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Did they think the guns would never be used?   LOL.     

I think they did 100% but i think they thought they would be used in Mexico on Mexicans and that would be how they traced them.  From dead gangsters and innocents in Mexico. 
Abandon every hope...

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Did Operation Fast and Furious have a Tampa twin, Operation Castaway?
http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/13/did-operation-fast-and-furious-have-a-tampa-twin-operation-castaway/ ^


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Republican lawmakers are alleging that Operation Fast and Furious may have had a twin in Tampa: Operation Castaway.

The new revelations have come to light as Florida Republican Rep. Gus Bilirakis fired off a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder and acting ATF Director Ken Melson asking them for answers about the newly discovered program.

“In recent days, it has come to light that the ATF and DOJ have participated in the act of ‘gun walking’ beyond the acts conducted within the scope of ‘Operation Fast and Furious,’” Bilirakis wrote to Holder and Melson.

“Recent reports have suggested that Project Gunrunner may not have been limited to weapons trafficking to Mexico and that similar programs included the possible trafficking of arms to criminal gangs in Honduras with the knowledge of the ATF’s Tampa Field Division and the Department of Justice’s Middle District of Florida through an operation known as ‘Operation Castaway,’” the letter read.


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why won't FOX, drudge, or other right-wing media outlets make a big deal out of this story?