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The Definition.


A gang is a group of people who, through the organization, formation, and establishment of an assemblage, share a common identity. In current usage it typically denotes a criminal organization or else a criminal affiliation. In early usage, the word gang referred to a group of workmen.

Sounds like the police to me.

I ask why are you "special", because obviously you have the right to do things that common citizens do not... As we've already discussed in another thread.


Dude, don't be raining on my fucking parade.  Check it, I was just getting used to being all street and shit.

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Never knew I was in a gang before.  I feel soooo fucking street right now.

LOL

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The Definition.


A gang is a group of people who, through the organization, formation, and establishment of an assemblage, share a common identity. In current usage it typically denotes a criminal organization or else a criminal affiliation. In early usage, the word gang referred to a group of workmen.

Sounds like the police to me.

I ask why are you "special", because obviously you have the right to do things that common citizens do not... As we've already discussed in another thread.

Because early on it was discovered that people could not or did not police themselves all that effectively. Eventually it was agreed that for the good of the community a group of citizens would be empowered to do just that. Police forces evolved over time and as the need increased. Those people were given special authority to enforce ordinances and laws in a community.   

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ATF Death Watch 50: “The cover-up is probably worse than the crime”
The Truth About Guns ^ | 4 August, 2011 | Robert Farago





Notice the word “probably.” Then note the source of this quote: UCLA Law Professor Adam Winkler [above]. And here’s the coupe de grace: Winkler’s qualified pronouncement appears in The Huffington Post. That would be the left-leaning website that spent the early part of the ATF’s Gunwalker scandal ignoring it. And then prevaricated on behalf of the ATF, claiming the Agency was guilty of nothing more than over-exuberance caused by a lack of funding (despite the extra funding that funded the anti-gun running gun running operation). And now the HuffPo’s legal eagle is raising the red flag in an article entitled Obama’s Growing Gun Problem. So it’s official: Obama’s in deep shit. Oh, and about that “probably” . . .

The Gunwalker coverup is NOT worse than the crime. Operation Fast and Furious armed Mexican narco-terrorists who used ATF-enabled weapons to murder U.S. Customs and Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. And, it seems, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata. And, for sure, dozens if not hundreds of Mexicans.

This isn’t Watergate. No one died bugging the Democratic National Committee headquarters. Operation Fast and Furious is drenched in blood. The aforementioned ATF conspiracy is only the tip of the proverbial iceberg. The United States government has been aiding and abetting Mexican narco-terrorists for at least a decade.

Uncle Sam has sanctioned hundreds of millions of dollars of American arms sales to the Mexican military and law enforcement—knowing full well that U.S. guns and grenades have been “seeping” to Mexican drug cartels. More to the point, Operation Fast and Furious would not have been possible without the direct cooperation and informed consent of the DOJ, ICE, FBI, CIA, DEA, DHS, State Department and White House.

Yes, the White House. Anyone who believes that the all the President’s men didn’t know American guns were flowing to Mexican drug cartels—via the ATF and official sales—must then conclude that the Obama administration was wholly incompetent. As an NRA email blast put it this morning, either DOJ jefe Eric Holder lied to Congress about his knowledge of Fast and Furious or he’s a nincompoop [paraphrasing].

Even the liberal media is beginning to get it, with a growing inkling of what’s at stake. Truth be told, the Gunwalker scandal could bring down the President of the United States. That distant vision has the late-to-the-party (that they didn’t want to attend in the first place) MSM spooked. And rightly so. Winkler:


The administration should waste no time and come clean about what happened, who approved it, and how it can be avoided again.
This the Obama administration cannot do. To “come clean” on Gunwalker would be to admit that the White House—including the President himself—approved a program that armed vicious drug thugs. A criminal conspiracy that contributed to the death of an American Marine. And that would lead to even less palatable revelations, including the ones mooted above.

Winkler’s naiveté is no surprise. The law guru and his media cohorts live a long way from the Mexican border. More importantly, they haven’t been paying attention to the man behind the curtain. Blinded by Obama’s promises and rhetoric, they singularly failed to understand the ruthlessness of his ambition, and the pusillanimous perfidy of those who helped elevate him to the highest office in the land. They’re beginning to wake-up and BOY are they grumpy.


Obama took office promising unparalleled transparency, yet top officials have been anything but with regard to Fast and Furious. Instead of addressing the questions head on, which might end the controversy quickly, the administration is guaranteeing that the investigation will drag on and on. Soon it will develop into a full-blown political scandal and Obama will wish that instead of ignoring this controversy, he’d dealt with it fast and furious.
As greater thinkers than I have asserted, the wheels of justice grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine. In fact, those of us who believe ours is a nation of laws may one day thank the ATF for its hubris. Gunwalker is the first crack in the corrupt foundation of the current executive branch. By no means will it be the last.

And when the veil is lifted, I have every confidence that Mr. Winkler will be amongst those who condemn the law-breakers. And he will be welcome.



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latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-fast-furious-20110805,0,7816124.story

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DEA acknowledges supporting role in Operation Fast and Furious
By Richard A. Serrano


10:25 AM PDT, August 5, 2011

Reporting from Washington




 
The head of the Drug Enforcement Administration has acknowledged to congressional investigators that her agency provided a supporting role in the ill-fated Operation Fast and Furious run by the group's counterparts at the ATF.

Michele M. Leonhart, the DEA administrator, said DEA agents primarily helped gather evidence in cases in Phoenix and El Paso, and in the program's single indictment last January that netted just 20 defendants for illegal gun-trafficking.

The development marks the first time another law enforcement agency has said it also worked on Fast and Furious cases other than the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which is under two investigations into why it allowed at least 2,000 firearms to be illegally purchased and then lost track of the guns’ whereabouts.

Nearly 200 of the weapons showed up at crime scenes in Mexico, and two semi-automatics were recovered after a U.S. Border Patrol agent was slain south of Tucson.

Leonhart made the acknowledgement in a letter to Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the senior GOP member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. A copy of the letter was obtained Friday by The Times.

Leonhart wrote that her agents in Phoenix and El Paso were "indirectly involved in the ATF operation through DEA-associated activity. "

She added, "the DEA El Paso Division responded to a duty call in March 2010 from ATF for assistance in conducting an ongoing surveillance operation in the El Paso area as part of Operation Fast and Furious."

But she said her agents in Phoenix "had the most notable associated investigative activity, though DEA personnel had no decision-making role in any ATF operations." That included helping obtain phone numbers and addresses, issuing subpoenas for information on the phone subscribers, and paying linguist costs of $128,000 to help translate intercepted calls.

Her agency further helped in the "round up phase of the case with the execution of search warrants, participated in debriefing some of the 20 gun-smuggling defendants who were arrested in the Phoenix area, and attending the Jan. 25 press conference announcing those arrests.

Dawn Dearden, a DEA spokeswoman in Washington, declined to comment further Friday on the DEA’s role in Fast and Furious. "The letter stands on its own," she said. "We’re still in a fact-finding mode, so there’s not much more we can say."

Richard.Serano@latimes.com

Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times

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NRA Chief LaPierre: Eric Holder Must Go
Newsmax ^ | August 3, 2011 | Wayne LaPierre




Patience is a virtue that Americans practice perhaps better than any other civilization on earth. However, when our own Attorney General is at the forefront of a criminal scheme so unbelievable that you would only expect to see it in a B-level mobster movie, the time for patience is over. Now is the time for all Americans to demand Eric Holder’s immediate resignation, firing, or impeachment.

Recall that two years ago, Attorney General Holder embarked on an anti-gun PR blitz that blamed the Second Amendment and law-abiding gun owners for violent drug crime and murder in Mexico. According to Holder and the Obama administration, 90 percent of the guns used by Mexican drug cartels were being supplied by American gun dealers.

For its part, the mainstream media shouted Holder’s propaganda from the rooftops, without ever bothering to do its homework and check the facts. But the facts surfaced anyway in the form of leaked communications from Obama’s State Department, which proved beyond any doubt that the main source of guns and artillery for Mexican drug cartels was Central America and not the United States.

Holder’s lie was exposed, but the Obama administration had another trick up its sleeve: An operation dubbed “Fast and Furious” which established an illegal pipeline for funneling guns into Mexico.

Officials at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATFE), an agency under the direct purview of Eric Holder’s Justice Department, forced American gun dealers to sell guns illegally to straw purchasers who would then supply the guns to Mexican drug cartels.

Over 2,000 illegal guns in all were permitted to “walk” across the border under this scheme.

Law-abiding Americans...


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Because early on it was discovered that people could not or did not police themselves all that effectively. Eventually it was agreed that for the good of the community a group of citizens would be empowered to do just that. Police forces evolved over time and as the need increased. Those people were given special authority to enforce ordinances and laws in a community.   

Early on?

You mean when the rulers of land in old England hire their Shire Reeve's to watch the masses.

I think society has come a long way from those days.

I also believe that it has very little to do with the OVER abundance of police... Crime overall since the early 90s is DOWN, yet we have more cops than ever.

Care to explain?

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Early on?

You mean when the rulers of land in old England hire their Shire Reeve's to watch the masses.

I think society has come a long way from those days.

I also believe that it has very little to do with the OVER abundance of police... Crime overall since the early 90s is DOWN, yet we have more cops than ever.

Care to explain?


TU - check this out: 


Had traffic court this morning for a client whose daughter got a ticket.  Court was supposed to start at 9:30 am.   Cop strolled in at 9:58 and after some haggling, we came to a deal.  I had to wait in the court room until the deal got heard before judge.

Case after case after after case was ridiculous tickets issues to people.   The judge was even getting pissed off at how insane some of these bogus tickets  were.    Got out of there around 11:15. 

What a friggen waste of time, for everyone!   

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Don't know skip - most of camden is already, and will always be, a zoo regardless of the amount of cops. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41181450/ns/slate_com/t/officers-down-what-happens-camden-nj-now/

I like this part.


Camden may be the most drastic example of police cutbacks in recent memory. But it likely won't be the last. "Given the national financial situation at state and local levels, we may see more of these," says Samuel Walker, a professor of criminal justice at the University of Nebraska at Omaha. Which raises the question: What can cities like Camden, a drug-trafficking mecca billed as the second most dangerous city in America, do when faced with cuts? Is it possible for police departments to "do more with less"?

'Virtually the same'

The short answer is no, says McCarthy. "I'm tired of hearing that catchphrase," he says. What they can do, though, is do less better. For example, Newark's police department trimmed its mounted and aviation units, as well as its traffic responsibilities, instead focusing on patrols and responding to calls. "We're providing virtually the same amount of police officers on patrol as before," says McCarthy. And whereas the department used to have a separate detective bureau, patrol operations bureau, and narcotics bureau, officers now report to their local precincts—a change that eliminated staff positions. In the end, McCarthy says, shrinking the department may have been an overall improvement: "If I'd thought of it before, I would have done it."

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TU - check this out: 


Had traffic court this morning for a client whose daughter got a ticket.  Court was supposed to start at 9:30 am.   Cop strolled in at 9:58 and after some haggling, we came to a deal.  I had to wait in the court room until the deal got heard before judge.

Case after case after after case was ridiculous tickets issues to people.   The judge was even getting pissed off at how insane some of these bogus tickets  were.    Got out of there around 11:15. 

What a friggen waste of time, for everyone!   

Of course... I've been in traffic court enough times to see the crap that people are given tickets for. Think about this... at my salary, for every hour I'm in court, the government is LOSING close to 13 dollars in taxes.  EVERY HOUR.

Expired inspections? Are you kidding me?

Most tickets are completely bogus and are designed to fill the coffers of the locality... It's common knowledge and is even listed in some localities budgets!

WHAT THE FUCK!

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Expired inspections? Are you kidding me?



Must confess, I've been hit with that before.  And the fine was something stupid like 10 bucks (can't remember exact amount), but after all the fucking fees, it was over 100.  WTF?

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41181450/ns/slate_com/t/officers-down-what-happens-camden-nj-now/

I like this part.


Camden may be the most drastic example of police cutbacks in recent memory. But it likely won't be the last. "Given the national financial situation at state and local levels, we may see more of these," says Samuel Walker, a professor of criminal justice at the University of Nebraska at Omaha. Which raises the question: What can cities like Camden, a drug-trafficking mecca billed as the second most dangerous city in America, do when faced with cuts? Is it possible for police departments to "do more with less"?

'Virtually the same'

The short answer is no, says McCarthy. "I'm tired of hearing that catchphrase," he says. What they can do, though, is do less better. For example, Newark's police department trimmed its mounted and aviation units, as well as its traffic responsibilities, instead focusing on patrols and responding to calls. "We're providing virtually the same amount of police officers on patrol as before," says McCarthy. And whereas the department used to have a separate detective bureau, patrol operations bureau, and narcotics bureau, officers now report to their local precincts—a change that eliminated staff positions. In the end, McCarthy says, shrinking the department may have been an overall improvement: "If I'd thought of it before, I would have done it."

Great post.

The solution was to have the police actually do police work instead of a surveillance and tax collector squad.

Interesting, you actually have them "Serve and PROTECT" and the result wasn't mass chaos and looting but "virtually the same".

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Gunwalker: It Must Have Been Eric Holder
Pajamas Media ^ | August 5, 2011 | Bob Owens




... Or higher. An informed examination of the facts leaves no other answer.



Now that the debt ceiling debate is over and done, let’s turn our attention back to Operation Fast and Furious and its alleged sister operations. The multi-agency operation (or operations) of the U.S. government allowed thousands of guns to be supplied to Mexican drug cartels, while American federal law enforcement effectively provided the straw purchasers and smugglers with the cover to operate with impunity.


Despite the tens of thousands of words of outrage written about the Obama administration’s botched Operation Fast and Furious, most of the focus has been on the horrific impact of the program as measured by the number of firearms smuggled over the border and the number of lives lost. Some attention has been consequently paid to the potential political and criminal impact of the operation and cover-up within the Department of Justice.

Sadly, the media has focused very little attention on the probable origins of the plot, or why Gunwalker was created as an adjunct of the longer-running and more successful Gunrunner campaign.

Of course, that may not be entirely true. The crack investigative reporters of print, network, and cable news organizations may very well have done the research and followed the various clues about the origins of Gunwalker to their logical conclusion, and then simply decided that the most probable story was one they not dare tell.

The story is this: no competent federal law enforcement officer would ever have concocted an operation as obviously doomed to catastrophic failure as Operation Fast and Furious.

Let us count the reasons why:

1.Federal law enforcement agents don’t let guns “walk.” A gun that is allowed to flow into criminal hands is a gun that could end up killing a fellow cop or citizen. As a result, all prior known operations under the long-running and successful Gunrunner program ended when a straw purchaser was allowed to make the purchase, and then arrested on the spot or shortly thereafter. Throughout the process of these stings, the suspects were under constant surveillance whenever they had firearms in their possession, and officers considered it catastrophic failure if surveillance was lost.

2.Federal law enforcement agents knew that this operation would not lead to cartel kingpins. The profiling of criminal activity has become a blend of art and high science in recent decades, and when combined with the intelligence provided by informants and a history of thousands of arrests, the Department of Justice, Department of Homeland Security, and IRS agents assigned to the task force knew from the beginning that cartel leaders could not be implicated in Fast and Furious, because they simply aren’t involved. Obtaining weapons for cartel gunmen is a problem for the lower to middle ranks of a cartel’s hierarchy, no different than acquiring vehicles or safehouses. The most commonly used cartel weapons are viewed by the organizations as consumable commodities to be bought, used, and discarded. Do CEOs, company presidents, and vice presidents, or even middle managers go out shopping for paper clips and pens?
3.Federal law enforcement agents knew from the outset that they could never arrest their targets, who were outside of their jurisdiction. Jurisdictional battles between federal, state, and local agencies are legendary, and sensitivity to jurisdictional issues is something every law enforcement agent learns, often with frustration. Knowing for a fact that the individuals running cartel gun acquisition would be based in Mexico, and staying in Mexico, agents would have realized from the mission planning phase — well before operational implementation — that effecting arrests of the operation’s stated targets was nearly impossible.
4.Middle managers in government would never dare to try such a dangerous, high-risk operation without express orders from above. All agencies — public or private — are saddled with bureaucracy, internal politics, and institutional inertia, which forms a powerful and pervasive cultural force that significantly inhibits change. Changes that threaten the equilibrium of agencies are viewed as a threat, and the more radical the proposed change, the more resistance there is to block it from occurring. Resistance to change occurs even when change is thought to be strongly beneficial.From the ground up and at the very beginning, Fast and Furious was a radical and dangerous proposal that would threaten the very existence of the ATF.

There is no way a politically experienced operative like Phoenix Special Agent in Charge (SAC) Bill Newell would have offered up such a plan merely out of the self interest of furthering his own career. Federal law enforcement officers never would have conceived of and did not support the implementation of Operation Fast and Furious. Agents fought tooth and nail with supervisors over the plot, as has been documented extensively in congressional testimony.

Operation Fast and Furious would not have come from agents in the field.

Operation Fast and Furious could not have come from regional SACs.

The one and only way that this multi-agency operation could have been organized and forced into action against the wishes and better judgment of seasoned professionals is through a top-down push from high-level executives within the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, State, and Treasury, which all played a role in the plot. Four executive branch departments, led by cabinet-level political appointees loyal to the Obama administration, worked on an operation together that was explicitly doomed to failure from the outset.

Was the goal of the project ever law enforcement?

The most logical explanation for Fast and Furious and related operations was that it was not a law enforcement operation, but a political operation designed to advance an anti-gun political agenda that Attorney General Eric Holder and President Barack Obama have been pursuing since the beginning of this presidency.

This explosive scandal at the heart of Gunwalker isn’t a matter of “what did he know and when did he know it?” It now instead seems to be a matter of who will come forward, and how much evidence will they provide to implicate officials at the highest levels of a lawless government.



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Tu check this out. Had traffic court today where people who were written good tickets rolled the dice hoping the cop wouldn't show up. Then had to haggle with their attorneys over the tickets to try and save some court time. Well, after case by case went by with the judge getting more annoyed at citizens trying every trick in the book to get out of their tickets, it was finally over around 1pm. Man, if people would just take responsibility for their actions right? 

(didn't really happen today but has been repeated over and over for the last 20 yrs.) And just as likely to have happened yesterday as any other story you might read here. 

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Early on?

You mean when the rulers of land in old England hire their Shire Reeve's to watch the masses.

I think society has come a long way from those days.

I also believe that it has very little to do with the OVER abundance of police... Crime overall since the early 90s is DOWN, yet we have more cops than ever.

Care to explain?

Today Austin has 790000 people living within the city limits. With the surrounding metropolitan areas commuting into Austin daily it raises it to 1.7 million people. In the early 90's it was around 500k total. That explains it. And crime overall being down? Attribute it to the "abundance of police officers"

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Today Austin has 790000 people living within the city limits. With the surrounding metropolitan areas commuting into Austin daily it raises it to 1.7 million people. In the early 90's it was around 500k total. That explains it. And crime overall being down? Attribute it to the "abundance of police officers"

Read the book "Freakanomics".

It has nothing to do with "more cops".


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Today Austin has 790000 people living within the city limits. With the surrounding metropolitan areas commuting into Austin daily it raises it to 1.7 million people. In the early 90's it was around 500k total. That explains it. And crime overall being down? Attribute it to the "abundance of police officers"

How about people just acting responsibility and going about their business? 

I dont need a cop over me 24/7 for me not to commit crimes.   

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How about people just acting responsibility and going about their business? 

I dont need a cop over me 24/7 for me not to commit crimes.   

neither do I, but we aren't the only ones around. Unfortunately some people do. That is just a fact

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neither do I, but we aren't the only ones around. Unfortunately some people do. That is just a fact

Like who?   ;D  ;D  ;D

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Like who?   ;D  ;D  ;D

How about the gang of 3 who are hitting people walking to their cars after the bar closes and taking their wallets and pistol whipping them? Or the group that is hitting gym parking lots, doing a smash and grab of purses and wallets left in the cars while the people are working out? What about the guys who buy the stolen ID's fashion credit cards from the info and go on shopping sprees? Just off the top of my head

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How about the gang of 3 who are hitting people walking to their cars after the bar closes and taking their wallets and pistol whipping them? Or the group that is hitting gym parking lots, doing a smash and grab of purses and wallets left in the cars while the people are working out? What about the guys who buy the stolen ID's fashion credit cards from the info and go on shopping sprees? Just off the top of my head



I'm thinking we need citizen patrols, deputized posses, etc. plus chain gangs myself.

 

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How about the gang of 3 who are hitting people walking to their cars after the bar closes and taking their wallets and pistol whipping them? Or the group that is hitting gym parking lots, doing a smash and grab of purses and wallets left in the cars while the people are working out? What about the guys who buy the stolen ID's fashion credit cards from the info and go on shopping sprees? Just off the top of my head

You're stopping credit card fraud and identity theft?

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You're stopping credit card fraud and identity theft?

Me? I'm not in that section but it's something the police do every day. For example, a car gets broken into. Thief uses the credit card to make purchases. The police investigate the initial crime of the car burglary, add the  charge of credit card abuse etc and often times the thief is caught one of a few ways. We also work on identity theft cases and some arrests we make for seemingly unrelated offenses turn into bigger things. It's not rare when we bust an identity theft ring working out of a hotel room for example, with elaborate set ups to print credit cards, drivers licenses etc etc.

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Me? I'm not in that section but it's something the police do every day. For example, a car gets broken into. Thief uses the credit card to make purchases. The police investigate the initial crime of the car burglary, add the  charge of credit card abuse etc and often times the thief is caught one of a few ways. We also work on identity theft cases and some arrests we make for seemingly unrelated offenses turn into bigger things. It's not rare when we bust an identity theft ring working out of a hotel room for example, with elaborate set ups to print credit cards, drivers licenses etc etc.

I see... so that's "not rare".

I find that hard to believe, but hey man... If you say so, I'm going to believe you.

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Fox News, in fact, quoted sources claiming that the BATFE's top target was himself a paid informant for the FBI.

People are sooooooo surprised here.  Guys, it's a border war, and it's GREAT for business!  Of course we've been feeding it!  This shit didn't start in 2008... we've been loving this for decades.