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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #875 on: September 08, 2011, 08:06:44 AM »
Holder Denies Prior Knowledge of 'Fast and Furious'
FOX ^ | 09/07/11 | Mike Levine

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an outright lie.

Unless the repubs start an investigation, they're complicit in these crimes and the cover up.

your theory that they're being smart by 'letting it marinate' is insanity.

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #876 on: September 08, 2011, 08:08:52 AM »

an outright lie.

Unless the repubs start an investigation, they're complicit in these crimes and the cover up.

your theory that they're being smart by 'letting it marinate' is insanity.

They are doing it in the house of reps! 

Reid wont start an investigation because is covering for obama.   Again - do facts and reality ever mean anything to you? 

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #877 on: September 08, 2011, 08:27:42 AM »
They are doing it in the house of reps! 

link.  who is the prosecutor? 

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #878 on: September 08, 2011, 08:28:42 AM »
link.  who is the prosecutor? 

Are you even following this?

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #879 on: September 08, 2011, 09:27:19 AM »
Are you even following this?

nope.  give me the 10 second primer.  there is so much drama-laden whining mixed in with fact, I can't folllow it.  When you give me facts of the case in one post, then "they won't prosecute it cause it would lead to the collapse of the govt" in another post, I just kinda tune out.

I bet others do the same.

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #880 on: September 08, 2011, 06:24:14 PM »
Fourth Weapon Linked to 'Fast and Furious' Found at Violent Arizona Crime Scene
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Posted on September 8, 2011 8:54:19 PM EDT by Red in Blue PA

PHOENIX – Authorities confirm two weapons tied to the ATF's failed anti-gunrunning program 'Operation Fast and Furious' were found at a violent crime scene in Maricopa, Ariz., in 2010 -- marking the latest case in which such guns have been linked to violent crimes across the U.S. and Mexico.

The two guns found at the scene were an AK-47 and a Beretta pistol, according to the Arizona Department of Public Safety. The weapons were found inside a stolen truck in March 2010 after the driver slammed into two DPS vehicles while trying to evade members of the Arizona Vehicle Theft Task Force, ABC 15 reports.

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Boom. 

another Obama victory. 

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #881 on: September 08, 2011, 06:27:12 PM »
Fourth Weapon Linked to 'Fast and Furious' Found at Violent Arizona Crime Scene
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Posted on September 8, 2011 8:54:19 PM EDT by Red in Blue PA

PHOENIX – Authorities confirm two weapons tied to the ATF's failed anti-gunrunning program 'Operation Fast and Furious' were found at a violent crime scene in Maricopa, Ariz., in 2010 -- marking the latest case in which such guns have been linked to violent crimes across the U.S. and Mexico.

The two guns found at the scene were an AK-47 and a Beretta pistol, according to the Arizona Department of Public Safety. The weapons were found inside a stolen truck in March 2010 after the driver slammed into two DPS vehicles while trying to evade members of the Arizona Vehicle Theft Task Force, ABC 15 reports.

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Boom. 

another Obama victory. 
I hate the State.

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #882 on: September 08, 2011, 06:29:38 PM »
Notice how the usual suspects don't say boo about this?   

hus is where RP missed a massive opportunity last night. 


had he mentioned Fast n Furious he would have exploded this issue. 

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #883 on: September 09, 2011, 07:49:33 AM »
Holder’s qualified ‘Gunwalker’ denial withers under examination
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 8 September, 2011 | David Codrea




“Attorney General Eric Holder on Wednesday sought to distance himself and other senior Justice Department officials from a botched operation to track guns smuggled to Mexican drug cartels, saying they were not involved,” Reuters reports.

Note the perpetuation of the “botched” meme by the “Authorized Journalists,” who inserted that characterization into a supposedly “straight news” story on their own.


"The notion that somehow or other that this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that, at this point, I don't think is supported by the facts," Holder told reporters.
“At this point…”?

“I don’t think…”?

Could that brief compilation of weasel words have been crafted any more carefully for escape clauses? And the “reporters” on the ground and in his face didn’t think to challenge it?


Holder questioned whether the congressional probe, led by Republicans in the House of Representatives and Senate, was politically motivated...
Does anyone even know if murdered Border Patrol agent Brian Kel…uh…Terry was a Republican or Democrat? How about slain ICE agent Jaime Zapata? Does it matter what political sympathies the estimated scores of dead Mexicans may have had, if any?


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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #884 on: September 09, 2011, 07:55:29 AM »
heres the thing, 33

it DOESNT MATTER if he's guilty or not.  He'll get away with it.  Just like Dubya, clinton, and everyone else before.

presidents do what the hell they want, and people don't do sheeit.

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #885 on: September 09, 2011, 08:52:18 AM »
EXCLUSIVE: 3rd 'Fast and Furious' Gun at Border Agent Murder Scene
Fox News ^ | 9-9-2011 | William Lajeunesse




A third gun linked to "Operation Fast and Furious" was found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, new documents obtained exclusively by Fox News suggest, contradicting earlier assertions by federal agencies that police found only two weapons tied to the federal government's now infamous gun interdiction scandal.


Sources say emails support their contention that the FBI concealed evidence to protect a confidential informant. Sources close to the Terry case say the FBI informant works inside a major Mexican cartel and provided the money to obtain the weapons used to kill Terry.


Unlike the two AK-style assault weapons found at the scene, the third weapon could more easily be linked to the informant. To prevent that from happening, sources say, the third gun "disappeared."


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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #888 on: September 09, 2011, 10:12:43 AM »
He, like 99% of Getbig, doesn't read your threads?

 ::)  ::)  ::)

Put it this way - lets say a perp starts shooting at you with an AK and you later find that it was the DEA that put the AK in the perps' hands as part of some crack pot scheme.  how would you feel? 

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #889 on: September 09, 2011, 10:18:31 AM »
::)  ::)  ::)

Put it this way - lets say a perp starts shooting at you with an AK and you later find that it was the DEA that put the AK in the perps' hands as part of some crack pot scheme.  how would you feel? 

I'd know a "perp" can get a rifle from 20 different sources if he wants a rifle and it's likely the outcome would have been the same, just a different serial number on the weapon.

Yeah, it was a stupid idea, yeah it should be stopped. Yeah some folks should lose their jobs over it. No, it's not worth 36 pages on Getbig 

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #890 on: September 09, 2011, 10:20:08 AM »
I'd know a "perp" can get a rifle from 20 different sources if he wants a rifle and it's likely the outcome would have been the same, just a different serial number on the weapon.

Yeah, it was a stupid idea, yeah it should be stopped. Yeah some folks should lose their jobs over it. No, it's not worth 36 pages on Getbig 

LMFAO! ! ! !


Over 150 are dead and there are still HUNDREDS of guns not accounted for!


Are you fucking kidding me?   

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #891 on: September 09, 2011, 10:29:15 AM »
FOX blows the Terry murder cover-up to pieces, and the Gunwalker Plot cover-up with it.
Sipsey Street Irregulars ^ | 9-9-2011 | Mike Vanderboegh




This morning I called Bob Sanders, Chief of Criminal Investigations at ATF in the early '80s, and shared with him the substance of the FOX exclusive. Bob told me, "This is obstruction of a criminal investigation no matter which way you look at it."


As far as the FBI picking up informants dropped for cause by DEA and the Marshal's Service described in the story as "stone cold killers," Bob said:


"All major federal enforcement agencies have very structured, very rigid, formal informant procedures, including lie detectors, psych reports, etc. to vett them. The agency SAC keeps these records in his vault. . . These guys probably murdered somebody. Therefore they couldn't have made the threshold."


He added:


"The FBI was abusing their own system. Once thrown out by one agency these informants could never be approved by another. That involves real corruption of their own system."


Bob concluded, "They are clearly obstructing justice."

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I will bet money that the AK47 found at the scene of the Nevada shooting with the 3 NG is a F&F gun as well. 

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #892 on: September 09, 2011, 11:26:37 AM »
latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-atf-gun-20110908,0,109137.story

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Fast and Furious guns tied to second violent crime
By Richard A. Serrano, Washington Bureau

3:49 PM PDT, September 8, 2011




 
In the second violent crime in this country connected with the ATF’s failed Fast and Furious program, two Arizona undercover police officers were allegedly assaulted last year when they attempted to stop two men in a stolen vehicle with two of the program's weapons in a confrontation south of Phoenix.

The officers, members of an elite Arizona Department of Public Safety law enforcement unit, said the driver rammed their cars and threatened them with the firearms, and then fled into the Arizona desert. The driver was caught and arrested, and two firearms –- a Beretta pistol and AK-47 semiautomatic assault rifle -- were found in the stolen Ford truck, the police said.

The suspect, Angel Hernandez-Diaz, 48, believed to be a Mexican national, was charged with aggravated assault on a police officer, driving the stolen vehicle and illegal possession of the weapons. He has pleaded not guilty and is scheduled to stand trial in Pinal County, Ariz., next month.

Also arrested in the incident was the passenger, Rosario Zavala, 30, of Mexico, who was charged with possession of narcotics and the stolen vehicle.

The encounter came five months after the Fast and Furious program began, in which ATF agents allowed the illegal purchase of weapons to try to track the firearms to Mexican drug cartels. And it occurred nine months before the fatal slaying in December of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, killed in a separate assault in which two Fast and Furious firearms were discovered at the scene south of Tucson.

Sources said this is the first case so far of Fast and Furious weapons found at the scene of another violent crime other than Terry’s. Officials at ATF headquarters and the Justice Department are sifting through records to see whether there are more. About 2,000 weapons were allowed to be illegally purchased in the Phoenix area, and the vast majority were lost track of by ATF agents.

“There is bound to be a lot of them,” said one source close to case.

The new incident outside Phoenix, in the suburb of Maricopa, is the crime that the Justice Department alluded to last week in a report to congressional investigators reviewing Fast and Furious. They did not, however, provide any details. The Justice Department originally told Congress there were 11 sites in the U.S. with Fast and Furious guns, but last week revised the number to two identified so far.

Information about the crime surfaced Thursday after officials at the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives at Washington headquarters contacted Arizona law enforcement officials, and they agreed to discuss it.

The weapons found in the vehicle were the 9-millimeter Beretta, hidden under the front console, and the AK-47 in the back seat. Authorities in Arizona said they were told both weapons were illegally purchased under the Fast and Furious program that began in November 2009. Also in the truck were four boxes of ammunition for the AK-47, a box of 23 9-mm bullets for the Beretta, and four cases of Bud Light beer.

According to police reports, indictments and Officer Carrick Cook, the truck was stopped on the night of March 4, 2010, when the undercover unit realized the vehicle was stolen. Rather than exit, the driver revved the car and repeatedly rammed the two unmarked police vehicles.

Inside the truck, the driver removed the Beretta from his waistband, flashed it at the officers, and then bolted from the truck. He then turned in a crouched position as though he was pointing another weapon. At that point, Officer Mike Ruiz fired several times because “he felt his life was in danger and that of the other officer.”

Ruiz missed, and Hernandez-Diaz surrendered.

richard.serrano@latimes.com

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #893 on: September 09, 2011, 11:32:37 AM »
Got to love how the obama douchebags like Straw, blacken, benny, andre, magoo, gaybear, chimps, loomis, et al are avoiding this thread like the plague. 

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #894 on: September 09, 2011, 12:33:11 PM »
I am disgusted by this... We should oust every fucking one of them.

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #895 on: September 09, 2011, 12:41:23 PM »
I am disgusted by this... We should oust every fucking one of them.

Got to love how Agnostic down plays this 

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #896 on: September 09, 2011, 12:42:51 PM »
Got to love how Agnostic down plays this 
One thing I've noticed about GB is that you start about half the threads and that you're the last person to comment on them, AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT.

Why don't you do something with your life? Seriously, how are you not dissatisfied with your existence?

 
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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #897 on: September 09, 2011, 12:45:18 PM »
One thing I've noticed about GB is that you start about half the threads and that you're the last person to comment on them, AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY AND NIGHT.

Why don't you do something with your life? Seriously, how are you not dissatisfied with your existence?

 

As opposed to trolling me? 

BTW - do you feel what Obama/holder did here is acceptable? 

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #898 on: September 09, 2011, 01:58:31 PM »
Congress expands Fast and Furious probe to White House
Los Angeles Times ^ | Sept 9 2011 | Richard A. Serrano



Congressional investigators reviewing the failed gun-tracking program Operation Fast and Furious have formally asked the Obama administration to turn over copies of "all records" involving three key White House national security officials and the program, other ATF gun cases in Phoenix, and all communications between the White House and the ATF field office in Arizona.

The letter signed Friday by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, was sent to National Security Advisor Thomas E. Donilon, a top aide to President Obama.

It marks a significant step in the committee's investigation into the failed gun-tracking operation, as the committee begins to broaden its investigation from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and targets White House and Department of Justice officials.

This material, Issa and Grassley said, "will enable us to determine the extent of the involvement of White House staff in Operation Fast and Furious."

White House officials, along with those at the Justice Department, said they have been cooperating in the widening probe, begun earlier this year when several ATF whistleblowers alerted congress that Fast and Furious weapons were found at the scene of the slaying of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

Under the program, ATF agents allowed illegal gun purchases and hoped to track the weapons to Mexican cartel leaders. But most of the more than 2,000 firearms were lost. Hundreds have reportedly turned up in Mexican crime scenes, two at the shooting where Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed, and a semi-automatic at an altercation and assault with police in Maricopa, Az.


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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #899 on: September 09, 2011, 09:05:32 PM »
Darrell Issa: DOJ's ATF 'Mexican Grenade Scandal' mirrors "Fast and Furious"
Political Transcripts Examiner ^ | 7 September, 2011 | Devonia Smith
Posted on September 9, 2011 6:10:17 PM EDT by marktwain

Congressman Darrell Issa, a Republican from California who chairs the House Committee of Oversight and Government Reform, was on hand at Fox News to provide details this afternoon, September 7, of an operation referred to as the Mexican Grenade Scandal. It was described by Issa as yet another operation in the ongoing scandal ATF - with troubling similarities to "Operation Fast and Furious. "

Issa acknowledged that, "It's good to rack up the higher rankings," adding, "but you can't do it on the back of dead Americans or Mexicans."

The facts of the Mexican Grenade Scandal as explained by Issa:

* ATF had in custody a dangerous explosives expert, "up to his neck in grenades and explosive devices, 116 grenades and parts; supplying explosives to a cartel."

* ATF wanted to arrest him.

* The DOJ and senior prosecutor allowed the man to go, with the intention of watching him in the hopes of catching someone higher up.

* ATF wanted to rearrest him before he crossed the border.

* The DOJ wanted him to cross the Mexico border

* The man was lost on the Mexican side of the border, outside of the ATF's jurisdiction, and ultimately sold grenades to the Mexican drug cartel.

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