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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #900 on: September 09, 2011, 09:12:54 PM »
That's what we do when we are conducting a legitimate official investigation into allegations of wrong doing, we always go on FOX news......  ;D

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« Reply #901 on: September 09, 2011, 09:15:23 PM »
That's what we do when we are conducting an investigation, go on FOX news......  ;D

Well, you sure do have plenty of cameras following you around for "48 hours" or "Cops" or any of the other "Reality TV" cop shows.

Might as well talk to the news.

This actually makes me think of all of those reality shows and how they put "everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" as a disclaimer, knowing full well that everyone watching thinks that the person that's in handcuffs is as guilty as shit.

I mean, why else would they be cuffed and on TV?

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« Reply #902 on: September 09, 2011, 09:17:35 PM »
I just wonder why a legitimate investigation that is ongoing, would be vetted on FOX news by one of the investigators... It couldn't be political could it??  :o

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« Reply #903 on: September 09, 2011, 09:18:53 PM »
I just wonder why a legitimate investigation that is ongoing, would be vetted on FOX news by one of the investigators... It couldn't be political could it??  :o

Isn't law always political?

It's politicians who make them, and politicians who break them.

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« Reply #904 on: September 09, 2011, 09:24:25 PM »
Isn't law always political?

It's politicians who make them, and politicians who break them.

Soooo..... it IS political. Then anything the "investigator" found that didn't support what he wanted to conclude, it would likely be ignored, and any information that would likely support their agenda could be embellished....

Not much of an "investigation" if you ask me.

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« Reply #905 on: September 09, 2011, 09:27:02 PM »
Soooo..... it IS political. Then anything the "investigator" found that didn't support what he wanted to conclude, it would likely be ignored, and any information that would likely support their agenda could be embellished....

Not much of an "investigation" if you ask me.

Law rarely contains much actual "unbiased investigation".

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #906 on: September 09, 2011, 09:28:59 PM »
Law rarely contains much actual "unbiased investigation".

Sure it does, all the time

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #907 on: September 09, 2011, 09:29:23 PM »
Sure it does, all the time

Let's not go down this road... It's tiresome and we never agree... so please... Not now.

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #908 on: September 10, 2011, 03:57:45 AM »
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has acknowledged an Indiana dealer’s cooperation in conducting straw purchases at the direction of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.  Exclusive documents obtained by Gun Rights Examiner show the dealer cooperated with ATF by selling guns to straw purchasers, and that bureau management later asserted these guns were being traced to crimes.

From the confidential source providing the documents:

The dealer…was sent a "demand letter," based on the number of traces to him, which was retracted after his attorney pointed out they resulted from his cooperation with ATF. (Strangely, he got two voicemails from two different ATF people, both saying they were the head of the tracing operation).

Some of the straw men turned out to have felony convictions, the agents called the FBI background check system and fixed it so the transactions would be approved, something which may also have happened in Phoenix. (The attorney wasn't clear as to whether the guns were actually delivered to the gangs).

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If the guns did not make it to criminal end users, why the demand for the reporting requirement was made remains unexplained: A demand letter, dated February 14, 2011 and signed by Charles J. Houser, Chief, National Tracing Center Division, informed the dealer he was required to provide acquisition and disposition information on firearms obtained from non-licensees, as well as to provide quarterly reports, based on ATF’s assessment that the dealer “had an unusually high number of traces of new crime guns with a relatively short ‘time-to-crime’…”

In a response dated March 10, 2011, attorney Brent R. Weil of Kightlinger and Gray, LLP, informed Houser:

Specifically, my client participated with and cooperated in certain law enforcement operations  during 2009/2010 at the behest of ATFE enforcement officers from the Evansville, Indiana office (Agent Kevin Whittaker) and in the course of doing so, followed their instructions regarding the completion of certain transactions and the delivery of firearms to purchasers who did not clear the standard NICS [National Instant Check System] background check and were suspected of being involved in the purchase and transportation of handguns out of state despite passing NICS’s background checks.

In order to verify ATF claims, Weil requested they “be given a list of the ‘ten or more crime guns with a “time-to-crime: of three years or less’ so that we can  satisfy ourselves that we are not being improperly included in this program because of our cooperation with and/or involvement with ATFE enforcement activities.”

The response letter resulted in a voice mail from Houser to Weil on March 15, 2011, ignoring his request for the list of guns, but promising:

If…that count is composed of firearms that were, where your client was working in conjunction with ATF, we will get your client removed entirely from the program.”

That same day, another voice mail was received, this time from Brenda Bennett, also identifying herself as “Chief of the National Tracing Center,” who informed Weil:

I have verified the information in the letter. I talked to law enforcement and they confirmed what he had to say. Therefore, he is being removed from the demand list.

See the sidebar slideshow accompanying this article for screen captures of all documents referred to in this column.  At the very least, as with “Project Gunwalker,” they indicate straw purchased guns ended up in crime traces, something those directing surveillance were well aware of.  It also indicates the FBI and ATF were once again involved with allowing transactions rejected by NICS to proceed, indicating this practice could be more widespread than has been previously documented, and not confined to Southwest border operations.

It’s fair to ask at this point what Robert J. Browning knows about this. He’s the Special Agent In Charge (SAC) of the Columbus Field Division, which directs Indiana and Ohio field offices.  Also worth questioning: Joseph H. Hogsett, United States Attorney for the Southern District of Indiana, specifically about what he has directed and approved that has any bearing on “crime guns” making their way to the street following law enforcement firearm transfer approvals to straw purchasers within his jurisdicition.

It’s also fair to ask if it seems credible that such similar operations would develop independently in the Southwest (“Project Gunwalker”) and the Midwest (“Project Gangwalker’?), without authorization from and oversight coordination by Main Justice.

Mike Vanderboegh of Sipsey Street Irregulars has advocated opening “a second front” to complement House Oversight Committee investigations, and this column has been a consistent advocate for appointment of a truly independent special investigator, as well as for individual state attorneys general determining if multiple felony violations of their state laws, committed jointly by two or more persons, have been perpetrated.  What seems clear is none of this will happen unless gun owners create such an uproar that their demands cannot be ignored—by timid political wind riders who don’t wish to get involved, by an arrogant, stonewalling administration, and by their protectors/abettors in the mainstream press.

UPDATE: Vanderboegh adds some important considerations.

Also see:

A Journalist’s Guide to ‘Project Gunwalker' Part One, Part Two, Part Three, Part Four and Part Five for a complete list with links of independent investigative reporting and commentary done to date by Sipsey Street Irregulars and Gun Rights Examiner.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/exclusive-report-documents-indicate-atf-fbi-allowed-indiana-crime-gun-sales



Note to newcomers to this story: “Project Gunrunner” is the name ATF assigned to its Southwest Border Initiative to interdict gun smuggling to Mexico. “Project Gunwalker” is the name I assigned to the scandal after allegations by agents that monitored guns were allowed to fall into criminal hands on both sides of the border through a surveillance process termed “walking” surfaced.

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #910 on: September 10, 2011, 06:10:14 AM »
Drudge is distracted by Obama's terror "scare".

Like all teh media, they and FOX don't care about right or wrong.  They care about RATINGS.

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #911 on: September 10, 2011, 07:42:04 AM »
Drudge is distracted by Obama's terror "scare".

Like all teh media, they and FOX don't care about right or wrong.  They care about RATINGS.


Funny, why isnt your beloved msnbc covering this

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #912 on: September 10, 2011, 08:55:10 AM »

Funny, why isnt your beloved msnbc covering this

it's the 1st time obama's done it, to my knowledge.

Bush did it 14 times before MSNBC noticed the trend. 

Tell us why fox/drudge is playing right into his BS instead of calling him on it/

ah yes ratings!

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #913 on: September 10, 2011, 09:00:36 AM »
Fox has been covering this for awhile.

Try again.

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #914 on: September 10, 2011, 09:52:41 AM »
Fox has been covering this for awhile.

Try again.

sorry cupcake, but they gave WAY more attention to 'reverent wright' than they did to something as huge as intentionally fueling a border war.

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #915 on: September 10, 2011, 09:55:31 AM »
Rev wright was befor f and f.

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #916 on: September 10, 2011, 09:58:06 AM »
Rev wright was befor f and f.

it was covered 2x an hour for 6 months straight.  i watch fox, you said you dont.

thye've given way less coverage to F and F

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« Reply #917 on: September 10, 2011, 11:36:35 AM »
And msnbc none at all.

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #918 on: September 12, 2011, 07:53:46 AM »
2nd Arizona crime scene yields guns from ATF sting
Updated 03:17 p.m., Saturday, September 10, 2011




PHOENIX (AP) — Guns tied to a botched federal weapons-smuggling investigation have been recovered at a second Arizona crime scene, according to federal and state authorities.

The Arizona Republic (http://bit.ly/oB98j1) reported Saturday that two guns were found in the back of a stolen car in Maricopa last year that had rammed two Arizona Department of Public Safety vehicles.

Federal agents contacted the DPS this week and said a trace of the guns revealed they were part of a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives sting in 2009 that inadvertently put hundreds of weapons bought at Arizona gun stores into the hands of Mexican criminals.

The probe was known as Operation Fast and Furious.

Two guns also were recovered at a December shootout in Rio Rico, where a Border Patrol agent was fatally shot.

A congressional investigation of the program has turned up evidence that ATF lost track of many of the more than 2,000 guns linked to the operation. Attorney General Eric Holder requested the inquiry now being conducted by the Inspector General's office at the Justice Department.

U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has asked the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee for a hearing as soon as possible on Operation Fast and Furious.

McCain, a member of the committee, wrote in a letter that the panel must "ensure further damage from this operation does not persist."

According to an investigative report compiled for two congressional committees investigating the operation, 122 weapons have been recovered at 48 crime scenes in Mexico.

In addition, an unspecified number of weapons tied to Fast and Furious were recovered earlier this year when Mexican authorities raided a compound in Michoacan state to arrest members of La Familia cartel.

The joint report for the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and the Senate Committee on the Judiciary also details how guns from the ATF operation were used in the kidnapping and murder of a Mexican official's brother.

It is unclear how many guns from Arizona made it to Mexico. Operation Fast and Furious was part of a multiagency federal drug-enforcement task force to trace weapon sales made to straw buyers working for Mexican cartels.

Three Phoenix ATF agents told Congress that instead of interdicting the straw buyers, they were ordered to monitor sales and track the weapons up the cartel-leadership chain.

Agents said that as many as 1,800 guns were sold and as many as two-thirds were smuggled into Mexico after they lost track of them. The goal of the operation was to use wiretaps on the straw buyers to snare high-ranking cartel members.

Arizona DPS officials said the Maricopa incident took place in March 2010 when officers with the Motor Vehicle Theft Task Force attempted to stop a truck with two Mexican citizens inside.

The driver refused to stop, and officers used their vehicles to block the road. Inside the car, officers recovered a pistol and an AK-47-type rifle.

"It was found, after the fact, that the guns were part of Operation Fast and Furious," said DPS spokesman Bart Graves, adding that the weapons had little to do with the actual incident.

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« Reply #919 on: September 12, 2011, 08:54:40 AM »
Gun store owner had misgivings about ATF sting

When federal agents with Operation Fast and Furious told Andre Howard to sell weapons to illegal purchasers, he complied, but he feared someone would get hurt. Then a border agent was shot.
 
Andre Howard owns the Lone Wolf gun store in Glendale, Ariz., part of Operation Fast and Furious. (Carlos Chavez, Arizona Republic / September 12, 2011)
 
September 11, 2011, 9:14 p.m.





Reporting from Glendale and Rio Rico, Ariz.— In the fall of 2009, ATF agents installed a secret phone line and hidden cameras in a ceiling panel and wall at Andre Howard's Lone Wolf gun store. They gave him one basic instruction: Sell guns to every illegal purchaser who walks through the door.

For 15 months, Howard did as he was told. To customers with phony IDs or wads of cash he normally would have turned away, he sold pistols, rifles and semiautomatics. He was assured by the ATF that they would follow the guns, and that the surveillance would lead the agents to the violent Mexican drug cartels on the Southwest border.

When Howard heard nothing about any arrests, he questioned the agents. Keep selling, they told him. So hundreds of thousands of dollars more in weapons, including .50-caliber sniper rifles, walked out of the front door of his store in a Glendale, Ariz., strip mall.

He was making a lot of money. But he also feared somebody was going to get hurt.

"Every passing week, I worried about something like that," he said. "I felt horrible and sick."

Late in the night on Dec. 14, in a canyon west of Rio Rico, Ariz., Border Patrol agents came across Mexican bandits preying on illegal immigrants.

According to a Border Patrol "Shooting Incident" report, the agents fired two rounds of bean bags from a shotgun. The Mexicans returned fire. One agent fired from his sidearm, another with his M-4 rifle.

One of the alleged bandits, Manuel Osorio-Arellanes, a 33-year-old Mexican from Sinaloa, was wounded in the abdomen and legs. Agent Brian Terry — 40, single, a former Marine — also went down. "I'm hit!" he cried.

A fellow agent cradled his friend. "I can't feel my legs," Terry said. "I think I'm paralyzed." A bullet had pierced his aorta. Tall and nearly 240 pounds, Terry was too heavy to carry. They radioed for a helicopter. But Terry was bleeding badly, and he died in his colleague's arms.

The bandits left Osorio-Arellanes behind and escaped across the desert, tossing away two AK-47 semiautomatics from Howard's store.

Some 2,000 firearms from the Lone Wolf Trading Company store and others in southern Arizona were illegally sold under an ATF program called Fast and Furious that allowed "straw purchasers" to walk away with the weapons and turn them over to criminal traffickers. But the agency's plan to trace the guns to the cartels never worked. As the case of the two Lone Wolf AK-47s tragically illustrates, the ATF, with a limited force of agents, did not keep track of them.

The Department of Justice in Washington said last week that one other Fast and Furious firearm turned up at a violent crime scene in this country. They have yet to provide any more details. They said another 28 Fast and Furious weapons were recovered at violent crimes in Mexico. They have not identified those cases either. The Mexican government maintains that an undisclosed number of Fast and Furious weapons have been found at some 170 crime scenes in their country.

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Howard said he does not own a gun, does not hunt, and does not belong to the National Rifle Assn. His love is helicopters — a former Army pilot, he gives flying lessons. He said he fell into the gun-dealing business 21 years ago only to help support his career as a flight instructor. Howard spoke to a reporter for the first time in depth about why he cooperated with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

He said he supported law enforcement, and never imagined a thousand weapons, or half of the entire Fast and Furious inventory, would "walk" out of his store. And when arrests were not forthcoming, "every passing week I was more stunned," he said.

According to a confidential memo written by assistant federal prosecutor Emory Hurley, "Mr. Howard had expressed concerns about the cooperation he was providing and whether he was endangering himself or implicating himself in a criminal investigation."

Other firearms dealers shared his concerns. At the nearby Scottsdale Gun Club, the proprietor sent an email to Agent David Voth. "I want to help ATF," he said, "but not at the risk of agents' safety because I have some very close friends that are U.S. Border Patrol agents in southern AZ."

Howard recalled that a chubby, bald and "very confident" man named Jaime Avila walked into the store on Jan. 16, 2010, and bought the AK-47s. Under the Fast and Furious protocol, agents were supposed to use the video cameras, surveillance, informants and law enforcement intelligence to follow the weapons and hope they led them to the drug cartels.

But no agents were watching on the hidden cameras or waiting outside to track the firearms when Avila showed up. Howard faxed a copy of the sale paperwork to the ATF "after the firearms were gone," assuming they would catch up later. They never did.

Between November 2009 and June 2010, according to an ATF agent's email to William Newell, then the special agent-in-charge in Phoenix, Avila walked away with 52 firearms after he "paid approximately $48,000 cash. The firearms consisted of FN 5.7 pistols, 1 Barrett 50 BMG rifle, AK-47 variant rifles, Ruger 9mm handguns, Colt 38 supers, etc.…"

Sometime in spring or early summer 2010 — the exact date is unknown — U.S. immigration officers reportedly stopped Avila at the Arizona border with the two semiautomatics and 30 other weapons. According to two sources close to a congressional investigation into Fast and Furious, the authorities checked with the ATF and were told to release him with the weapons because the ATF was still hoping to track the guns to cartel members.

In Washington, ATF officials declined to comment. In Congress, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), chairman of the House investigating committee, and Sen. Charles E. Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, asked the Justice Department why Avila was not jailed and the guns seized. They have yet to receive an answer.

The two semi-automatics would turn up again, this time at the scene of the Terry shooting. According to sources, they were hidden in backpacks and stashed in the desert, ready for Mexican bandits.

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When weapons were recovered at the scene of the agent's slaying, ATF officials in Phoenix scrambled. "All these ATF guys were showing up," one law enforcement official recalled. "We were trying to catch suspects and rope up the crime scene, and all the ATF guys were saying they needed the serial numbers! They needed the serial numbers!"

Newell wanted an immediate trace on the semiautomatics, and that afternoon ATF agents showed up at the Lone Wolf store. Howard had heard of Terry's death. "I was scared to death," he said. They asked for his paperwork and matched the serial numbers. "Both of them were in shock, too," he said. "You could tell they were sick."

A little before 8 that night, the Phoenix ATF field office sent out an agency-wide bulletin: The suspect guns were Fast and Furious weapons. In Washington the next morning, then-ATF Acting Director Kenneth E. Melson prepared to notify the Border Patrol.

Avila was arrested, and initially held just for using a bad address on the purchase form. "This way," Voth emailed the ATF field office, "we do not divulge our current case [Fast and Furious] or the Border Patrol shooting case."

In a subsequent report for Fast and Furious classified "Law Enforcement Sensitive," agents said Avila was buying for a Phoenix-based gun trafficking group that hid the weapons in vehicle compartments and drove them over the border from Arizona and Texas. The trafficking group used cash from drug sales to buy the weapons. The AK-47 was their weapon of choice, bought after cocaine and methamphetamines warehoused in Baja California were shipped north and sold in this country.

Other Avila weapons from Howard's store wound up at a Glendale home and a Phoenix automotive business, both "firearm drop locations," according to the ATF report. Still more were recovered in Sonora, Mexico, not far from Rio Rico.

In January, Avila and 19 others were charged in the straw purchasing. It was the one and only indictment to come out of 15 months of Fast and Furious. Asked at the press conference touting the charges whether the ATF allowed guns to "walk," Newell, the ATF field supervisor, responded, "Hell no!"

His denial and the agent's death provoked a small group of ATF whistle-blowers. They contacted Congress, and investigators asked the agency whether Terry was shot by Fast and Furious weapons.

The ATF replied that neither semiautomatic fired the fatal bullet. In truth, an FBI ballistics report could not determine whether one of the semiautomatics or a third weapon killed Terry.

Avila pleaded not guilty to the firearms charges, was released on bail and has yet to stand trial. Osorio-Arellanes was charged in the Terry slaying in May. No other suspects in the slaying have been arrested.

In Glendale, after two decades in business, Howard is thinking about closing his Lone Wolf gun store. He also has second thoughts about helping law enforcement.

"Was I betrayed?" he said. "Absolutely yes."

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #920 on: September 12, 2011, 10:48:13 AM »
Issa: Holder so 'inept he is dangerous' as attorney general
By Justin Sink - 09/12/11 11:10 AM ET
 



Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said that Attorney General Eric Holder is so "inept that he is dangerous to have as the Attorney General" and that President Obama should consider removing him from office.

Issa made the comments on the Laura Ingraham show while commenting about the controversial "Fast and Furious" gun-tracking program.

"He doesn't want to admit that it was felony-stupid," Issa said of the operation, which was run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which allowed assault-type weapons to be illegally purchased and smuggled across the border.

The Department of Justice was monitoring the weapons, but they have turned up at crime scenes across Mexico. Two weapons that were sold under the program were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry last December.

Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson was removed from his position late last month as the result of an investigation pushed by Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. But Issa believes that Attorney General Holder either signed off on the operation or was "willfully ignorant."

"The only way the attorney general didn't know is that he made sure he didn't want to know," Issa said.

The congressman said the scandal was "dumber than Iran-Contra," the program under which senior officials in the Reagan administration secretly sold arms to Iran to fund Nicaraguan rebels. Both arms sales to Iran and funding of the Contras was explicitly prohibited by law, and Reagan national security advisers Oliver North and John Poindexter were convicted of violating the law.


"What we need is an admission that it was wrong … and then we need assurance that it won't happen again," Issa said.

For his part, Holder has admitted that the Fast and Furious program "was clearly a flawed enforcement effort," but denied that he or any of his aides had knowledge of the operation.

"The notion that this reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that at this point I don't think is supported by the facts and I think once we examine it and once the facts are revealed we'll see that's not the case," Holder said last Wednesday.

The Department of Justice has launched an internal investigation to look into the matter, in addition to the one led by Issa.


Holder also defended the decision to transfer Melson into the DOJ's Office of Legal Policy, rather than fire him outright.


"Ken has served this department well over the course of some three decades," Holder said.


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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/180867-issa-holder-qso-inept-he-may-be-a-dangerq-as-attorney-general



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« Reply #921 on: September 12, 2011, 11:21:53 AM »
Issa: Holder so 'inept he is dangerous' as attorney general
By Justin Sink - 09/12/11 11:10 AM ET
 



Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) said that Attorney General Eric Holder is so "inept that he is dangerous to have as the Attorney General" and that President Obama should consider removing him from office.

Issa made the comments on the Laura Ingraham show while commenting about the controversial "Fast and Furious" gun-tracking program.

"He doesn't want to admit that it was felony-stupid," Issa said of the operation, which was run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which allowed assault-type weapons to be illegally purchased and smuggled across the border.

The Department of Justice was monitoring the weapons, but they have turned up at crime scenes across Mexico. Two weapons that were sold under the program were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry last December.

Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson was removed from his position late last month as the result of an investigation pushed by Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. But Issa believes that Attorney General Holder either signed off on the operation or was "willfully ignorant."

"The only way the attorney general didn't know is that he made sure he didn't want to know," Issa said.

The congressman said the scandal was "dumber than Iran-Contra," the program under which senior officials in the Reagan administration secretly sold arms to Iran to fund Nicaraguan rebels. Both arms sales to Iran and funding of the Contras was explicitly prohibited by law, and Reagan national security advisers Oliver North and John Poindexter were convicted of violating the law.


"What we need is an admission that it was wrong … and then we need assurance that it won't happen again," Issa said.

For his part, Holder has admitted that the Fast and Furious program "was clearly a flawed enforcement effort," but denied that he or any of his aides had knowledge of the operation.

"The notion that this reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that at this point I don't think is supported by the facts and I think once we examine it and once the facts are revealed we'll see that's not the case," Holder said last Wednesday.

The Department of Justice has launched an internal investigation to look into the matter, in addition to the one led by Issa.


Holder also defended the decision to transfer Melson into the DOJ's Office of Legal Policy, rather than fire him outright.


"Ken has served this department well over the course of some three decades," Holder said.


Source:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/180867-issa-holder-qso-inept-he-may-be-a-dangerq-as-attorney-general




Again, that this "investigator" is on a right wing radio show discussing the investigation is pretty telling..

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #922 on: September 12, 2011, 11:30:39 AM »
Are you fucking serious?  and you wonder why the general public hates law enforcement now? 


That's the best you can do is blame the messenger when there are 150 deaths, hundreds of rifles not accounted for, 2 border agents dead, etc? 


GMAFB.   

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #923 on: September 12, 2011, 12:42:29 PM »
Are you fucking serious?  and you wonder why the general public hates law enforcement now? 


That's the best you can do is blame the messenger when there are 150 deaths, hundreds of rifles not accounted for, 2 border agents dead, etc? 


GMAFB.   

LOL! I don't think the general public hates the police, just a small psycho fringe

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Re: Obama/Holder armed Mex. & Hond. Cartels, MS-13 via TX, AZ, FL, IN
« Reply #924 on: September 12, 2011, 12:45:50 PM »
LOL! I don't think the general public hates the police, just a small psycho fringe


Yeah ok bro - tell yourself that.   

I was in court this morning and this poor schmuck in front of me had to take a day off of work because some pofs dirtbag cop wrote a ticket for 56/55 on 87 - NYS Thruway. 

Jusdge was so pissed off at the cop she tossed the ticket and everyone just shook their head in disgust.