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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1375 on: November 26, 2011, 07:04:29 AM »

 Yet another Obama "Bundler" caught with his hand in the DOE Loan "Cookie Jar" - to the tune of $50 Million!




http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/yet-another-obama-bundler-caught-with-his-hand-in-the-doe-loan-cookie-jar---to-the-tune-of-50-m/question-2252117



Another Obama "bundler" is investor in car company that won federal loan

James A. Johnson, one of many un-indicted creators of the “housing bubble” and the failure of Fannie Mae which led to the financial collapse, and an Obama “insider,” is vice chairman of company winning $50
million in loans from Obama Department of Energy

An investment firm whose vice chairman has been an adviser and fundraiser for President Obama saw one of its portfolio companies win approval this year for $50 million in loans from the administration’s clean-energy loan program.


Washington-based Perseus says its affiliation with James A. Johnson, a major fundraiser for Obama’s campaign, played no role in persuading the Energy Department to award the loan to Vehicle
Production Group, a Miami start-up that is manufacturing wheelchair-accessible cars and taxis.



Johnson headed Obama’s vice presidential selection committee in 2008 and is the former chairman of housing mortgage giant Fannie Mae. He was listed as a campaign fundraising bundler for Obama in
the 2008 race, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, and committed to raising $200,000 to $500,000 for the upcoming
presidential race.



Johnson could not be reached for comment Thursday. Perseus
Chairman Frank Pearl said in an interview that it is an “absurd
idea” to think that Johnson’s political connections helped the
Miami company.




“I doubt there was anybody at DOE that even considered the fact
that Jim was part of this firm. We went straight through the proper
channels of the [loan] program,” he said.




Department spokesman Damien LaVera said in a statement Thursday
that “the decision to provide the Vehicle Production Group a loan
was made based on the merits after more than two years of review by
officials in the DOE loan program.”




Republicans have criticized the administration for what they say
is a pattern of loan assistance going to politically connected
clean-energy companies. Recently, they expanded their investigations
of loan guarantees to other companies whose investors include
Democratic contributors.



Both the White House and the Energy Department have said that no
such pattern exists and that all decisions were decided on merit.[How naive do they think the public is?]




A nine-month House investigation of the loan guarantee program
has largely focused on the Obama administration’s first
clean-energy loan: $535 million to solar start-up Solyndra, a
now-shuttered company whose lead investors were funds tied to George
Kaiser, an Obama fundraising bundler and Tulsa billionaire.




The Energy Department ignored numerous warnings that the
company’s finances were shaky and rushed to approve the Solyndra
loan; now taxpayers are obligated to repay the money. The head of
the loan program, Jonathan Silver, resigned this month, weeks after
the head of the House investigative committee called for him to be
fired.




In recent weeks, Republican lawmakers have widened their scope to
more deeply probe $1 billion in loans approved by the same
program to electric auto makers Fisker Automotive and Tesla Motors.



On Wednesday, a congressional committee chairman asked the Energy
Department for documents concerning its decision to offer a
$730 million loan to a U.S. subsidiary of a steel-making
company run by the second-richest man in Russia.




The loan was for Severstal's North American operation to upgrade
a Dearborn, Mich., plant to supply the auto industry. Rep. Darrell
Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and
Government Reform, asked Energy Secretary Steven Chu to explain why
the firm merited taxpayer-backed financing considering the financial
mishaps and global standing of its parent company.



In the case of the Vehicle Production Group, the Energy
Department conditionally offered the start-up its low-cost,
government-backed financing last November. Chu announced the
agency’s formal approval in March.




Perseus has been the leading investor in VPG since 2008. Pearl
said he became interested in the company’s concept because of its
reliance on compressed natural gas and its unique niche — the
first vehicle designed for wheelchair accessibility. He was a
longtime friend of VPG’s president, Fred Drasner, a former owner
of the Washington Redskins and a former co-publisher of the New York
Daily News.



“It’s a fabulous car,” Pearl said, adding that the
department was looking for a compressed natural gas project to back.
“It’s the only one purpose-designed and purpose-built to serve
the needs of people in wheelchairs.”



Pearl said he took on the role of pursuing the loan for the
company while Drasner and his team focused on marketing and car
production.




Another investor was Clean Energy Fuels, a firm focused on using
natural gas for transportation led by longtime Republican T. Boone
Pickens.




Perseus’s vice chairman was Johnson, who joined the firm in
2001 but is better known as a fixture in Democratic politics for the
past three decades. He served as manager of Walter Mondale’s
unsuccessful 1984 presidential campaign and chaired the vice
presidential selection committee for John F. Kerry’s White House
campaign.




From 1991 to 1998, Johnson served as chairman and chief executive
officer of Fannie Mae, a well-compensated position that would tail
him as financial markets imploded in summer 2008 from the rise of
risky, subprime mortgages.[Johnson, as CEO of
Fannie Mae, started the practice of "subprime" loans. While Democrats
claim that subprimes provide "affordable housing", Johnson's motives
were to increase FM's volume, as his compensation was based upon
performance. As a result Johnson received over $100 million in pay and
bonuses during his time as CEO.]





Johnson had supported Obama as a young senator and, later, was
briefly part of a three-member team leading his vice presidential
search committee. But Johnson resigned in June 2008
amid revelations that he had received $7 million in deeply
discounted mortgage loans from the chief executive of Countrywide, a
company that had helped fuel the rise of subprime home mortgages. He
said the controversy was a distraction for Obama’s campaign.



Johnson has personally donated $55,400 to Obama’s two
presidential campaigns, federal donation records show, including a
$35,800 check listed on Aug. 29 to Obama’s reelection effort.
Pearl donated $1,500 to Obama’s campaign in 2008.




All told, Perseus officers have donated $120,700 to Obama and the
Democratic Party’s top three fundraising committees since the
2007-08 election cycle.[But, of course, that had nothing to do with their company receiving a $50 million loan from the DOE!!!]




Before Obama’s inauguration, Johnson served as a lead member of
Obama’s transition team, advising him on economic policies.[How did that advice work out?]




Pearl said he actively tried to avoid using politics to woo the
new administration. He said he met with a member of the White
House’s disabilities council, Kareem Dale, to discuss VPG’s
project while its application was pending “to make sure [the
company] was on their radar screen” but did not seek his help with
the Energy Department.




Pearl said that, to his knowledge, Johnson never asked the
administration to help VPG.




“It seemed to me, and it still does, that dealing forthrightly
with people at DOE and not putting them under pressure was the most
effective way to do this,” Pearl said. “That’s what we did.”




The compressed natural gas vehicle MV-1 is expected to use no
gasoline and produce lower emissions than gasoline-fueled vehicles.
The Vehicle Production Group estimates that it will, at full
capacity, produce more than 22,000 vehicles per year. The company
estimates that the project will generate more than 100 jobs in
Indiana, where the cars will be assembled, in addition to about 800
direct and indirect jobs across 17 states related to the assembly,
parts supplies, production and sale of the vehicle.



Research Editor Alice Crites contributed to this article.


Comment:

Amazingly,
despite his many defalcations, James A. Johnson is still known as a
"mover and shaker" in Democrat circles in Washington, D.C. Johnson,
probably more than any other single individual, with the possible
exception of Barney Frank, was responsible for the "subprime" mortgage
crisis. As CEO of Fannie Mae in the early '90s, he was the first to
ignore the normal "due diligence" lenders do when assessing the
riskiness of a home loan. While the motive was supposedly to achieve
Fannie Mae's mission of providing "affordable housing", Johnson's
motives were to increase his own compensation -- over $100,000,000
between 1991 and 1998! In 1994, Bill Clinton "federalized" Fannie Mae's
policies with rewritten regulations under the Community Reinvestment
Act (the Carter-era CRA), requiring lenders to meet quotas for loans to
low and middle income borrowers. These actions were the root cause of
the near-collapse of the U.S. financial system in 2008, requiring
astronomical "bail outs" of financial institutions.

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1376 on: November 26, 2011, 07:06:45 AM »
Pearl said he actively tried to avoid using politics to woo the
new administration. He said he met with a member of the White
House’s disabilities council, Kareem Dale, to discuss VPG’s
project while its application was pending “to make sure [the
company] was on their radar screen” but did not seek his help with
the Energy Department.




   LMFAO. 

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1377 on: November 26, 2011, 07:14:33 AM »
From 1991 to 1998, Johnson served as chairman and chief executive
officer of Fannie Mae, a well-compensated position that would tail him as financial markets imploded in summer 2008 from the rise of risky, subprime mortgages.[Johnson, as CEO of Fannie Mae, started the practice of "subprime" loans. While Democrats claim that subprimes provide "affordable housing", Johnson's motives were to increase FM's volume, as his compensation was based upon performance. As a result Johnson received over $100 million in pay and bonuses during his time as CEO.]



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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1378 on: November 26, 2011, 08:45:10 AM »
33, is there going to be a Holder trial?  or did the F&F thing run its course, and nobody will see leg irons?

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1379 on: November 26, 2011, 08:48:49 AM »
33, is there going to be a Holder trial?  or did the F&F thing run its course, and nobody will see leg irons?

So long as Obama and Holder are actively CYA and withholding evidence and refusing to come clean, its going to be a longer process.   

Remember that guy OReielly Issa wants to interview?  Oh - Hillary and Obama sent him to Iraq for the forseeable future.   Nothing to see here! 

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1380 on: November 26, 2011, 08:58:31 AM »
So long as Obama and Holder are actively CYA and withholding evidence and refusing to come clean, its going to be a longer process.   

Remember that guy OReielly Issa wants to interview?  Oh - Hillary and Obama sent him to Iraq for the forseeable future.   Nothing to see here! 



obama will be out of office, possibly, in 13 months.

what if it goes longer?  Do you really think the next POTUS will allow Obama to be prosecuted for anything?

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1381 on: November 29, 2011, 09:47:07 AM »
RED ALERT: Deputy A.G. behind 'Fast & Furious' met with Obama four times during height of operation
Director Blue ^ | 11/28/2011 | Doug Ross





Item 1: In March of 2011, President Obama denied knowledge of 'Operation Fast and Furious' -- the Justice Department program that sent thousands of murder weapons to Mexican drug cartels.


25 March 2011 - Under fire for an operation that allowed smuggling of U.S. weapons across the nation’s border with Mexico, President Obama said in an interview that neither he nor Attorney General Eric Holder authorized the controversial “Operation Fast and Furious.”
...Obama told Univision‘s Jorge Ramos that President Felipe Calderon wasn’t informed of the operation because he — the president of the United States — wasn’t informed either. When asked whether he knew of the weapon smuggling plan, Obama responded that it is “a pretty big government” with “a lot of moving parts.”

...President Obama said ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms enforcement) was behind "Operation Fast and Furious."

Item 2: According to documents obtained by the House Judiciary Committee, Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler was keenly aware of all aspects of Operation Fast and Furious as early as March 2010. In a letter to A.G. Holder, Chairman Issa wrote:


Gary Grindler, the then-Deputy Attorney General and currently your Chief of Staff, received an extremely detailed briefing on Operation Fast and Furious on March 12, 2010. In this briefing, Grindler learned such minutiae as the number of times that Uriel Patino, a straw purchaser on food stamps who ultimately acquired 720 firearms, went in to a cooperating gun store and the amount of guns that he had bought. When former Acting ATF Director Ken Melson, a career federal prosecutor, learned similar information, he became sick to his stomach...
Item 3: Newly released White House Visitor Logs list Grindler as having visited the White House 40 times, but only four times with the President himself. All four meetings with the President occurred over a two-week period, between 7 May 2010 and 19 May 2010.



According to The Los Angeles Times, these dates just so happened to represent the run-up to "the height of [Operation] Fast and Furious":


In the U.S., intelligence officials consider the Sinaloa cartel the most powerful drug trafficking organization in the world. Weekly reports from U.S. intelligence authorities to the Justice Department in the summer of 2010, at the height of Fast and Furious, warned about the proliferation of guns reaching the Sinaloa cartel... Under Fast and Furious, begun in fall 2009, the ATF allowed illegal buyers to walk away with weapons in the hope that agents in Phoenix could track the guns and arrest cartel leaders.
Summary: In early 2010, Gary Grindler was intimately involved in all aspects of Operation Fast and Furious. During the height of the operation, Grindler visited the President on four separate occasions in only two weeks -- his only documented meetings with the president at the White House.

So my question is this:

What did President Obama know -- and when did he know it?

Hat tip: Michelle Malkin.



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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1382 on: November 29, 2011, 10:36:20 AM »
Eric Holder and Barack Obama's "mens rea" on Fast and Furious
Coach is Right ^ | 11/29.2011 | Doug Book




Mens rea is Latin for “guilty mind.” In legal theory acting to set up a crime before committing it indicates a guilty mind; or guilty intent.

In the spring of 2009, just a few months before the Obama Administration instructed the Phoenix ATF office to commence Operation Fast and Furious, Attorney General Eric Holder introduced and secured a curious change to United States gun legislation.

The tracing of firearm serial numbers provides information about the manufacture of a weapon, its original retail seller and buyer, the entire known history of the weapon. For years, anti-gun rights zealots had procured these trace statistics from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for the purpose of initiating frivolous law suits against both gun dealers and manufacturers.

Then, in 2004, Kansas Republican Rep. Todd Tiahrt successfully added an amendment to the yearly ATF funding bill. Known since as the Tiahrt Amendment, the legislation prohibits the sharing of trace information for any but legitimate law enforcement purposes. That is, trace information on firearm serial numbers could only be provided to federal, state and local law enforcement agencies engaged in specific, criminal investigations. Those responsible for left-wing fishing expeditions would no longer have access to trace statistics for the purpose of manufacturing lawsuits.

Then, although Barack Obama and Eric Holder had promised liberal supporters they would fight to overturn the Tiahrt Amendment, in the spring of 2009 Holder lobbied Congress for a change to the Amendment, one which would allow ATF acquired trace data to be provided to “…a foreign law enforcement agency solely in connection with or for use in a criminal investigation or prosecution…”

The Regime was just about to launch the corrupt and murderous Operation Fast and Furious. And it must be remembered that during the year long course of that despicable...


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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1383 on: November 30, 2011, 07:57:24 AM »
Facts are STUBBORN Things, Knowledge of the Connection Between Agent Terry's Death and Fast and...
U.S. Senate ^ | November 28, 2011 | Senator Grassley





Article
For Immediate Release
November 28, 2011



Facts are STUBBORN Things, Knowledge of the Connection Between Agent Terry's Death and Fast and Furious



Setting the Record Straight on the Justice Department Oversight Hearing



“Facts are STUBBORN Things”
“…and whatever our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams, December 1770



 


Senate Judiciary Committee Oversight Hearings with Secretary Janet Napolitano, October 19, 2011, and Attorney General Eric Holder, November 8, 2011


Knowledge of Connection Between Agent Terry’s Death and Fast and Furious

•    Senator Grassley: “Have you had any communications with Mr. Burke about Operation Fast and Furious?”

Secretary Napolitano: “When Agent Terry was killed, it was December 14th, I went to Arizona a few days thereafter to meet with the FBI agents and the assistant U.S. attorneys who were actually going to look for the shooters.  At that time, nobody had done the forensics on the guns and Fast and Furious was not mentioned.  But I wanted to be sure that those responsible for his death were brought to justice, and that every DOJ resource was being brought to bear on that topic.  So I did have conversations in – it would have December of ’09 – about the murder of Agent Terry.  But at that point in time, there – nobody knew about Fast and Furious.”

•    Senator Grassley: “When we met that day [on January 31, 2011], did you know that the guns connected to an ATF operation had been found at the Terry murder scene?”

Attorney General Holder: “I did not.”

•    Senator Grassley: “Documents produced by the department suggest that your deputy chief of staff spoke with U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke about Fast and Furious, shortly after Agent Terry’s death.  Did Mr. Wilkinson say anything to you about the connection between Agent Terry’s death and the ATF operation?”

Attorney General Holder: “No, he did not.  The conversations that they had were about a variety of things.  I’ve looked at the emails.  Now the possibility of me coming out to at some point talk about being engaged in a press conference, other matters, but there was no discussion between them of the tactics that are of concern with regard to Fast and Furious and as a result of that, Mr. Wilkinson did not share information with me about his contacts with former U.S. Attorney, Burke.”

FACT(PDF)
The Attorney General’s Deputy Chief of Staff Monty Wilkinson sent an email to U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke at 11:18 am on December 14, 2010, the day before Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s death.  The email had only a subject line: “You available for a call today?”  On December 15 at 2:14 am, Burke responded: “Sorry for going dark on you.  I was at Navajo and Hopi all day and coverage was weak at best.  I did get your vm.  We have a major gun trafficking case connected to Mexico we are taking down in January.  20+ defendants.  Will call today to explain in detail.”  Documents show that notice of Agent Terry’s death was emailed to Burke an hour later, at 3:31 am.

According to emails produced by the Justice Department, Nathan Gray, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Phoenix Field Division, was at the press conference held that day to announce the death of Agent Terry, and was telling individuals there about the connection to Operation Fast and Furious.  Thus, by the time Secretary Napolitano visited Arizona a few days later, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s Office were clearly aware of the connection.

The emails that have been produced by the Justice Department so far are insufficient to draw any conclusions about what Wilkinson and Burke may have discussed over the phone on December 15.  Whether any follow-up conversation between them included the fact that Fast and Furious guns were found at the scene will remain unknown until Burke completes his testimony, which was interrupted on an earlier date, and Wilkinson testifies for the first time.  Unfortunately, the Justice Department has to this point refused to make other witnesses with first-hand knowledge available for transcribed interviews.

It is clear, however, that multiple officials from multiple agencies knew almost immediately of the connection between Fast and Furious and Agent Terry’s death, including Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler.  The Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security have failed to adequately explain why Attorney General Holder and Secretary Napolitano allegedly remained ignorant of that connection.

Documents supporting the FACTS.(PDF)




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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1384 on: November 30, 2011, 08:50:51 AM »
Obama Administration Seals Court Records of Agent Brian Terry’s Murder
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, November 29, 2011, 9:50 PM


http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/11/obama-administration-seals-court-records-of-border-patrol-agent-brian-terrys-murder



   On December 14, 2010 in Peck Canyon, northwest of Nogales, Arizona, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was shot dead by a group of illegal border entrants who refused commands to drop their weapons after they were confronted by US agents. The illegals murdered Terry with a gun connected to a failed federal experiment that allowed firearms to be smuggled into Mexico. The family of slain border agent Brian Terry blamed Eric Holder for their son’s death in a recent interview.

Now the Obama Administration has sealed the court records on Agent Terry’s murder.
Judicial Watch reported:

The Obama Administration has abruptly sealed court records containing alarming details of how Mexican drug smugglers murdered a U.S. Border patrol agent with a gun connected to a failed federal experiment that allowed firearms to be smuggled into Mexico.

This means information will now be kept from the public as well as the media. Could this be a cover-up on the part of the “most transparent” administration in history? After all, the rifle used to kill the federal agent (Brian Terry) last December in Arizona’s Peck Canyon was part of the now infamous Operation Fast and Furious. Conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the disastrous scheme allowed guns to be smuggled into Mexico so they could eventually be traced to drug cartels.

Instead, federal law enforcement officers lost track of more than 1,000 guns which have been used in numerous crimes. In Terry’s case, five illegal immigrants armed with at least two semi-automatic assault rifles were hunting for U.S. Border Patrol agents near a desert watering hole just north of the Arizona-Mexico border when a firefight erupted and Terry got hit.

We know this only because Washington D.C.’s conservative newspaper got ahold of the court documents before the government suddenly made them off limits. The now-sealed federal grand jury indictment tells the frightening story of how Terry was gunned down by Mexican drug smugglers patrolling the rugged desert with the intent to “intentionally and forcibly assault” Border Patrol agents.

You can see why the administration wants to keep this information from the public and the media, considering the smugglers were essentially armed by the U.S. government. Truth is, no one will know the reason for the confiscation of public court records in this case because the judge’s decision to seal it was also sealed, according to the news story. That means the public or media won’t have access to any new or old evidence, filings, rulings or arguments.

Obama’s failed Fast and Furious program is also linked to 200 murders in Mexico.














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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1385 on: November 30, 2011, 09:31:44 AM »
33,

do you still believe holder and/or obama will go to jail for this?

or do you think it'll get redacted, 'classified', or otherwise thwarted by obama?

not what SHOULD happen - but what WILL happen.

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1386 on: November 30, 2011, 09:34:25 AM »
33,

do you still believe holder and/or obama will go to jail for this?

or do you think it'll get redacted, 'classified', or otherwise thwarted by obama?

not what SHOULD happen - but what WILL happen.

Right now - i think holder will step down - and they will CYA for the ghetto thug communist Obama, piss be upon him and everyone associated with him.   

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1387 on: November 30, 2011, 09:46:50 AM »
Right now - i think holder will step down - and they will CYA for the ghetto thug communist Obama, piss be upon him and everyone associated with him.   

what if obama shuts down teh entire thing, based upon 'national security concerns'?

Remember when the white house justified clipping the 911 investigations at every turn because "that's classified", or "our enemies use that info" or "that's just unpatriotic to question the president like this".

Hell, imagine how fcking irritated you'd do if Obama went on TV and said "let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories that this govt knew anything about supplying foreigners with weapons" - When the documentation makes it pretty clear he was well aware?

You'll be screaming about it on message boards 10 years later.  Watch and see.  Obama and Holder will get away with this.  You'll see how the 911 skeptics felt.

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1388 on: November 30, 2011, 09:47:56 AM »
what if obama shuts down teh entire thing, based upon 'national security concerns'?

Remember when the white house justified clipping the 911 investigations at every turn because "that's classified", or "our enemies use that info" or "that's just unpatriotic to question the president like this".

Hell, imagine how fcking irritated you'd do if Obama went on TV and said "let us not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories that this govt knew anything about supplying foreigners with weapons" - When the documentation makes it pretty clear he was well aware?

You'll be screaming about it on message boards 10 years later.  Watch and see.  Obama and Holder will get away with this.  You'll see how the 911 skeptics felt.

 ::)  ::)

There is a lot more evidence directly linking holder to this than 911 did to Bush admn CTS 

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« Reply #1389 on: November 30, 2011, 09:52:00 AM »
::)  ::)

There is a lot more evidence directly linking holder to this than 911 did to Bush admn CTS 

You dont know shit aobut that, hombre.

FBI hand-delivered a smoking gun document to white house, 5 weeks before 911.

bush told the agent "you've covered your ass". 

The document, though highly redacted, listed the attack date, targets, and 5 of the hijackers.  Know what happened?  An exec order to shut down the investigation in hollywood, FL.   

And, with bush, rummy, and condi in TX at the time - Nobody bothered to read the document that arrived by red eye from mueller in middle of night.  Oh, and at the same time, 11 of our allies warned us too ;)



You translate that to obama...
11 of our allies and our own FBI hands Obama a document, detailing which gun store is about to sell the guns, which agents will be killed, and the motherfvcking date of the purchase.  But Obama responds by SHUTTING DOWN that investigation then pretending there was no way we could have predicted such a thing.

Bush was WAY WORSE in terms of pre-event intel.  Our allies warning us left and right.  You're yelling for impeachment because Obama ignored memos.  Seems you're okay with a repub does it, eh?  ;)

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« Reply #1390 on: November 30, 2011, 09:52:46 AM »
You dont know shit aobut that, hombre.

FBI hand-delivered a smoking gun document to white house, 5 weeks before 911.

bush told the agent "you've covered your ass". 

The document, though highly redacted, listed the attack date, targets, and 5 of the hijackers.  Know what happened?  An exec order to shut down the investigation in hollywood, FL.   

And, with bush, rummy, and condi in TX at the time - Nobody bothered to read the document that arrived by red eye from mueller in middle of night.  Oh, and at the same time, 11 of our allies warned us too ;)



You translate that to obama...
11 of our allies and our own FBI hands Obama a document, detailing which gun store is about to sell the guns, which agents will be killed, and the motherfvcking date of the purchase.  But Obama responds by SHUTTING DOWN that investigation then pretending there was no way we could have predicted such a thing.

Bush was WAY WORSE in terms of pre-event intel.  Our allies warning us left and right.  You're yelling for impeachment because Obama ignored memos.  Seems you're okay with a repub does it, eh?  ;)


Link for proof? 

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1391 on: November 30, 2011, 09:53:29 AM »
33, i love ya bro, but i think you're a little ignorant as to just how far bush had to step out of the way to let 911 happen...

and then how he fought the invetigation for 441 days - and then clipped it all over the place.

You let that happen - THEN You will understand the frustration felt by 911 skeptics.  Multiple that by 1500 deaths too, and sick ass spending for 2 wars afterwards.

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1392 on: November 30, 2011, 09:54:01 AM »
33, i love ya bro, but i think you're a little ignorant as to just how far bush had to step out of the way to let 911 happen...

and then how he fought the invetigation for 441 days - and then clipped it all over the place.

You let that happen - THEN You will understand the frustration felt by 911 skeptics.  Multiple that by 1500 deaths too, and sick ass spending for 2 wars afterwards.


Link for proof or STFU  .

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1393 on: November 30, 2011, 10:01:58 AM »

Link for proof?  

Oh geez my blood is boiling, i have to log off getbig lmao...

you live in NYC, you dont know shit about the 911 investigation.  Read this link - July 2001 thru 9/10/2011 warnings:
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&before_9/11=warnings&startpos=300


Scoot down to the end of august.  You have shit, dozens of countries begging us to stop the attacks.  Hell, israel gave us 4 of their NAMES and issued weekly warnings.  EGYPT told us it was going to happen.  This one is cute - September 10, 2001: US Generals Warned Not to Fly on Morning of 9/11

The best part of the timeline is right AFTER the attacks - cheney and meurller telling cameras there were NO WARNINGS.  Even after they had run in many foreign newspapers.

You know what, enjoy your fucking ignorance on this issue, and get your panties all riled up over this gun case.  typical partisan politics.

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1394 on: November 30, 2011, 10:03:35 AM »
now, learn about 911's similiarities to this bullshit - how bush censored truth and ignored warnings WAY worse...

or don't.

I dont give a shit about what another person thinks about 911, why should I.  We're all smart in some areas and stupid in other areas.  Keep on living this delusion that Bush had no clue about 911 and it was 19 pricks.   I'm giving up on 911 discussion once and for fucking all.  Ignorant fucking people raise my blood pressure.

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1395 on: November 30, 2011, 12:38:54 PM »
'Fast and Furious' Whistleblowers Struggle Six Months After Testifying Against ATF Program
Fox News ^ | 11/30/2011 | William Lajeunesse



Six months ago, several agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives stood before Congress to testify about the details of a U.S. government program that armed Mexico's largest drug cartel with thousands of assault rifles.

The administration denied it at the time and questioned the agents' integrity. The men were nervous and scared. They said they feared for their careers, their reputation and their families.

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And while President Obama has said the operation was a mistake and that "people who screwed up will be held accountable," the record so far does not bear that out. Those in charge of the botched operation have been reassigned or promoted, their pensions intact...

Here's what has happened to the managers of the operation:

-- Acting ATF Chief Ken Melson, who oversaw the operation, is now an adviser in the Office of Legal Affairs. He remains in ATF's Washington, D.C., headquarters.

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-- Special Agent in Charge of Phoenix Bill Newell, the man most responsible for directly overseeing Fast and Furious, was promoted to the Office of Management in Washington.

-- Phoenix Deputy Chief George Gillette was also promoted to Washington as ATF's liaison to the U.S. Marshal's Service.

-- Group Supervisor David Voth managed Fast and Furious... [Snip] ATF boosted Voth to chief of the ATF Tobacco Division, where he now supervises more employees in Washington than he ever did in Phoenix.

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Special Agent Jay Dobyns, who is suing the agency for breach of contract, is skeptical...

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Case in point, he said, is field agent John Dodson...[Snip]

And what did Dodson get for telling the truth? In Phoenix he was isolated, marginalized and referred to as a "nut job," "wing-nut" and "disgruntled,"...[Snip]

In Washington, ATF command ordered that "Contact with Dodson was detrimental to any ATF career."


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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1396 on: November 30, 2011, 12:55:29 PM »
And while President Obama has said the operation was a mistake and that "people who screwed up will be held accountable," the record so far does not bear that out. Those in charge of the botched operation have been reassigned or promoted, their pensions intact...

Hey, guess what, 33?  I said this shit would happen.  Everyone gets PROMOTED, everyone gets to keep their jobs.

You keep your head down and mouth shut, and you land on your feet.

I know you had this hollywood dream of people testifying, some glorious courtroom revelation, obama crying on the stand... but these things always get cut off at knees long before 'trials'.

The govt learned when they tried to deliver fall guys for pearl harbor - those guys spilled their guts about who told them to stand down.  All the 911 decision makers got promoted too, probably the same for most local terror acts, etc.  I bet the waco and Ruby Ridge supervisors have moved up a great deal.

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1397 on: November 30, 2011, 12:58:13 PM »
And while President Obama has said the operation was a mistake and that "people who screwed up will be held accountable," the record so far does not bear that out. Those in charge of the botched operation have been reassigned or promoted, their pensions intact...

Hey, guess what, 33?  I said this shit would happen.  Everyone gets PROMOTED, everyone gets to keep their jobs.

You keep your head down and mouth shut, and you land on your feet.

I know you had this hollywood dream of people testifying, some glorious courtroom revelation, obama crying on the stand... but these things always get cut off at knees long before 'trials'.

The govt learned when they tried to deliver fall guys for pearl harbor - those guys spilled their guts about who told them to stand down.  All the 911 decision makers got promoted too, probably the same for most local terror acts, etc.  I bet the waco and Ruby Ridge supervisors have moved up a great deal.


i guess this will have to be dealt with next year in the election, like all the other treason, criminality, and incompetence of obama   

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1398 on: November 30, 2011, 01:01:38 PM »

i guess this will have to be dealt with next year in the election, like all the other treason, criminality, and incompetence of obama   

it won't be dealt with 33.  There will be no justice.  This is how real life works.  this issue will go away because repubs will focus upon obama's christmas tree decorations or he didn't say God enough times in a speech.

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Re: Obama Corruption & Scandal Thread - F & F, Solyndra, and other crimes.
« Reply #1399 on: November 30, 2011, 01:10:13 PM »
it won't be dealt with 33.  There will be no justice.  This is how real life works.  this issue will go away because repubs will focus upon obama's christmas tree decorations or he didn't say God enough times in a speech.

Like I said - I think Issa and Grassley are doing the drip drip drip to let the blood spill over time for obama campaign since they know obama will never appoint a special prosectur.  So they probably figure they can hurt him electrorally with this.